Will there be gay marriage?

djstorman

Originally posted by Pilnkplonk

Originally posted by djstorman

Originally posted by Ballista

Originally posted by Mrlogic

Look @ me, im heterosexual! Will I be able to get married ingame?? Oh wait.. I don't have a need to mix my sexuality with a videogame..

Lots of people want to be with their community in a variety of media. It's not a big deal that the player asked this question.

What is the big deal is the amount of discriminatory and prejudicial comments that people are supporting in their replies.

 

Discriminatory and prejudicial?  Ohh you mean peoples religious beliefs, sorry was getting confused there. 

I suppose in your world anyone should be able to do anything they want ? Allow pedos to abuse children, murderers to take lives, rapists to rape ?

A civilizations laws comes from its citizens belief system.  Most americans believe that homosexuality is immoral and sinful.  Homosexuality serves no physioloogical purpse, it is a deviant behavior.  What you are saying is that everyone should support and let everyone do anything they want, which is stupidity.  Good Day to you .

 

Get off it.

What an adult decides to do with another consenting adult is sacrosant, whatever it might mean. That's why so many christian saints were enormous sinners BEFORE they realized, OUT OF THEIR OWN FREE WILL the way to true grace.

The very BASIS of christian ethos is the choice between right and wrong, good and evil. If you take away the choice you're taking away the hope of redemption itself, because being "good" or "moral" without the option to reject it is completely meaningless. That is what all the abrahamite religious fundamentalists got all wrong and fu****d up. If you take away adam's children the choice between god and evil and FORCE them to do "good" you're actually making them all evil and insincere in the eye of God. Freedom of choice is what defines us as god's children. There cannot be redemption without sin, and there can't be the reward of heaven if the "goodness" is forced or indoctrinated. How can you know if you are "good" if no other choice has been presented to you? The freedom to choose between good and evil with the consequences in the eyes of the God is the basis of christianity and what we call western civilization.

All the rest is an abomination, degradation of god's image to the state of a blind beast who doesn't know better and is thus deemed soul-less. It's nazism, totalitarianism and ultimately self-defeating because the man cannot ever know whether his "goodness" comes out of his own inner power or it is something forced on him due to his weakness.

Soul = choice = freedom.

Lucifer is God's most favored angel and yet he is still cast down the fiery pit of hell. Ponder this and you'll understand the basis od christian morality and the concept of free will which ultimately came out of it and built this civilization that enables us morons from across the world to bicker over some trivialities using something called the "internet".

 So by your definition we should not have any kind of laws? Since that is taking away free will.  Somehow I dont think that would work.  You want no laws to protect you against murder, pedophilia and rape?  Also I am pretty sure that if one adult kills another adult even with consent that is against the law, assuming you want that to be legal as well ?

Cant say the logic is very clear to me in your argument.

Fishmitts

Imo it's not a question if you can. I'ts a question of will it be accepted. After reading some of the replys, gonna have to say proly not.

pepsi1028

Originally posted by bobbymo

Originally posted by pepsi1028

Originally posted by bobbymo

Ignoring the politics and beliefs about gay marriage,  "Will there be gay marriage?" in Guild Wars 2.

Probably not.  Considering the lore of the game, and the relative time it takes place.  The setting is very similar to medival times in Europe.  A more barbaric and primitave society. No gay marriage there. If the time period was less like DAOC and more like the Sims 3, I could see it happening. 

My 2 cents.

 There were actually ALOT of gay people back in medival times...

Where did I say there wasn't many  gay people in medival times???

I said there were no gay marriages. 

 Touche. You got me sir

pepsi1028

Originally posted by Axllow18

Originally posted by pepsi1028

Originally posted by bobbymo

Ignoring the politics and beliefs about gay marriage,  "Will there be gay marriage?" in Guild Wars 2.

Probably not.  Considering the lore of the game, and the relative time it takes place.  The setting is very similar to medival times in Europe.  A more barbaric and primitave society. No gay marriage there. If the time period was less like DAOC and more like the Sims 3, I could see it happening. 

My 2 cents.

 There were actually ALOT of gay people back in medival times...

Whether or not there were gay people in ye olde medivaly times is not the discussion though; gay marriage is, and in those days the Church (who in those days handled this sort of thing) would never have allowed such a union. Homosexuality is a sin in the church's eyes, and in those days the different kingdoms did not have anything to do with marriages.

As far as gay marriage in the game? If it fits the lore than sure add it in, but if the lore of the game does not support it then no. The lore of a different world is just that, A DIFFERENT WORLD; it does not have to play on the social standards of ours. People need to stop freaking out over such silly things.

If I played a game where only black characters could be archers because of the game's lore then guess what? This white guy is rollin a black toon for an archer then. Its a game, it is not a platform for social commentary.

 Yeah I just admitted I was wrong to that guy! Didn't read. My troll came out so I put him to sleep. You took the words out of my mouth with the last 2 paragraphs Axllow18 (:

slashbeast

*golf clap*

OP has sucessfully made a 20 page troll thread.     

Also: if we're gonna have gay marriage in MMOs I want my toon to be able to smoke pot since it's also a matter of personal freedoms and a controversial topic. Cater to me too.

 

medmarijuana

Ncsoft and arenanet have already confirmed that there will be gay marriage.

pepsi1028

Originally posted by medmarijuana

Ncsoft and arenanet have already confirmed that there will be gay marriage.

 Link?

medmarijuana

Originally posted by pepsi1028

Originally posted by medmarijuana

Ncsoft and arenanet have already confirmed that there will be gay marriage.

 Link?

 I don't have a link bro, lol. I just kinda made that up.  I hope they don't have any marriage at all in the game tbh, it is not necessary and just creates controversy such as the one like this. ALthough, I don't have a problem with gay marriage in the first place. I think to each their own.

djstorman

Originally posted by Kaijin2k3

Aaah. The ol' "I'm right 'cause others say so, so if you disagree you're wrroongg! *plugs fingers in ear*" arguments. Unfortunately, trolling with this topic is so insanely easy because it gets on so many people's nerves, I can't give many points to the OP

 

As for me, I'm pro-gay (and a heterosexual to boot!) so that isn't an issue. Marriage in a game... if it's just a different way to provide buffs, I'm against it. Then it becomes a situation where you have to do this to compete. If not, then I won't care. I'm a roleplayer eitherway and have RP'd marriages before so nyeh.

 

As for the derailed topic, to those saying "gay is wrong because religion/voters say so!" please stop. If you're incapable of explaining a belief calmly and rationally without resorting to the escape of "because someone else/some group told me so," then I would completely suggest re-evaluating this belief.

 

Just my 2 cents.

 If you look at most of my posts you will see that there are several different facets on the issue of homosexual marriage.

#1 The citizens of a society determine what is "normal" and what isnt.  (Did you know that incertain tribes of New Guinea pedophilia is an accepted norm?) Hence if the majority of voting citizens of this country or most countries believe that homosexual marriage is against what they want the accepted norm to be, then they will pass laws that reflect this belief.  Since most people of these great united states believe that marriage should be between a man and a women, pretty sure which way the tide is for the deviant behavior that homosexuals want to be the " Norm"

#2 Religion, religion, religion.  There are so many, so many ways that religion can be used to refute the claim by homosexuals that their deviant behavior is "good, and right".  Various bible verses, stories, examples etc.  That isnt to say that we should hate homosexuals, which consequently I dont. However neither should we accept their deviant behavior.  I dont hate murderers, or rapists, or pedophiles, women that have abortions, those that help kill the terminally ill, those that have sex with animals, those that have sex with their close family.... But I certainly dont accept that their behavior is anything other then it is, and that is( based on religious beliefs); deviant, immoral and some might say evil.

#3 Physiologically the basis for the marriage of a man and a women is certainly clear, if you dont believe that to be the case, I wont argue with you because stupid is very hard to argue with.

Which brings me back to my original post of, if you want to do this democratically well quasi democratically, everyone should vote on whether homosexual marriage should be allowed.  I am quite certain based on the outcome of several pieces of marriage protection legislation that many parents would not allow their children to play the game and many adults would not play the game either.  Since I seem to remember that NCSoft wanted a teen rating it seems to me that keeping that out of the game might be in the best interest of this company, in so far as wanting to appeal to underage children they have to appeal to their parents.

SevenOmatic

21!!11!!1 gogogo

MisterSr

I laughed when i saw this topic, not because of the gay in the title, but because of the marriage in the title. I'm pretty sure GW2 isn't going to have marriage period. Hahahahahaha. 

Fishbaitz

Originally posted by MisterSr

I laughed when i saw this topic, not because of the gay in the title, but because of the marriage in the title. I'm pretty sure GW2 isn't going to have marriage period. Hahahahahaha. 

There will be NPC relationships at the least, and I am fairly certain there will be some marriage, depending on race.

 

As for allowing gay marriage in game, ArenaNet will likely not allow it for a few reasons.

Its basically the renissance era in Tyria, and gays were not welcome in most/all cultures.

 ArenaNet would probably rather not alienate a sizeable population or social back-lash. This game is not about going against societies norms (such as their removal of the Corsair Prisoner which you tested hexes on)

Relationships are probably not going to play as large a role in GW2 as they do in other games that feature a homosexual option.

Ballista

Originally posted by djstorman

Originally posted by Kaijin2k3

Aaah. The ol' "I'm right 'cause others say so, so if you disagree you're wrroongg! *plugs fingers in ear*" arguments. Unfortunately, trolling with this topic is so insanely easy because it gets on so many people's nerves, I can't give many points to the OP

 

As for me, I'm pro-gay (and a heterosexual to boot!) so that isn't an issue. Marriage in a game... if it's just a different way to provide buffs, I'm against it. Then it becomes a situation where you have to do this to compete. If not, then I won't care. I'm a roleplayer eitherway and have RP'd marriages before so nyeh.

 

As for the derailed topic, to those saying "gay is wrong because religion/voters say so!" please stop. If you're incapable of explaining a belief calmly and rationally without resorting to the escape of "because someone else/some group told me so," then I would completely suggest re-evaluating this belief.

 

Just my 2 cents.

 If you look at most of my posts you will see that there are several different facets on the issue of homosexual marriage.

#1 The citizens of a society determine what is "normal" and what isnt.  (Did you know that incertain tribes of New Guinea pedophilia is an accepted norm?) Hence if the majority of voting citizens of this country or most countries believe that homosexual marriage is against what they want the accepted norm to be, then they will pass laws that reflect this belief.  Since most people of these great united states believe that marriage should be between a man and a women, pretty sure which way the tide is for the deviant behavior that homosexuals want to be the " Norm"

#2 Religion, religion, religion.  There are so many, so many ways that religion can be used to refute the claim by homosexuals that their deviant behavior is "good, and right".  Various bible verses, stories, examples etc.  That isnt to say that we should hate homosexuals, which consequently I dont. However neither should we accept their deviant behavior.  I dont hate murderers, or rapists, or pedophiles, women that have abortions, those that help kill the terminally ill, those that have sex with animals, those that have sex with their close family.... But I certainly dont accept that their behavior is anything other then it is, and that is( based on religious beliefs); deviant, immoral and some might say evil.

#3 Physiologically the basis for the marriage of a man and a women is certainly clear, if you dont believe that to be the case, I wont argue with you because stupid is very hard to argue with.

Which brings me back to my original post of, if you want to do this democratically well quasi democratically, everyone should vote on whether homosexual marriage should be allowed.  I am quite certain based on the outcome of several pieces of marriage protection legislation that many parents would not allow their children to play the game and many adults would not play the game either.  Since I seem to remember that NCSoft wanted a teen rating it seems to me that keeping that out of the game might be in the best interest of this company, in so far as wanting to appeal to underage children they have to appeal to their parents.

How about we vote to take away your reproduction rights? Cause I'd hate to see the shit you'll be teaching children.

And by the way pedophilia has nothing to do with gay marriage in a video game, so keep it the hell out of here.

Pryetta

Originally posted by Ballista

Originally posted by djstorman

Originally posted by Kaijin2k3

Aaah. The ol' "I'm right 'cause others say so, so if you disagree you're wrroongg! *plugs fingers in ear*" arguments. Unfortunately, trolling with this topic is so insanely easy because it gets on so many people's nerves, I can't give many points to the OP

 

As for me, I'm pro-gay (and a heterosexual to boot!) so that isn't an issue. Marriage in a game... if it's just a different way to provide buffs, I'm against it. Then it becomes a situation where you have to do this to compete. If not, then I won't care. I'm a roleplayer eitherway and have RP'd marriages before so nyeh.

 

As for the derailed topic, to those saying "gay is wrong because religion/voters say so!" please stop. If you're incapable of explaining a belief calmly and rationally without resorting to the escape of "because someone else/some group told me so," then I would completely suggest re-evaluating this belief.

 

Just my 2 cents.

 If you look at most of my posts you will see that there are several different facets on the issue of homosexual marriage.

#1 The citizens of a society determine what is "normal" and what isnt.  (Did you know that incertain tribes of New Guinea pedophilia is an accepted norm?) Hence if the majority of voting citizens of this country or most countries believe that homosexual marriage is against what they want the accepted norm to be, then they will pass laws that reflect this belief.  Since most people of these great united states believe that marriage should be between a man and a women, pretty sure which way the tide is for the deviant behavior that homosexuals want to be the " Norm"

#2 Religion, religion, religion.  There are so many, so many ways that religion can be used to refute the claim by homosexuals that their deviant behavior is "good, and right".  Various bible verses, stories, examples etc.  That isnt to say that we should hate homosexuals, which consequently I dont. However neither should we accept their deviant behavior.  I dont hate murderers, or rapists, or pedophiles, women that have abortions, those that help kill the terminally ill, those that have sex with animals, those that have sex with their close family.... But I certainly dont accept that their behavior is anything other then it is, and that is( based on religious beliefs); deviant, immoral and some might say evil.

#3 Physiologically the basis for the marriage of a man and a women is certainly clear, if you dont believe that to be the case, I wont argue with you because stupid is very hard to argue with.

Which brings me back to my original post of, if you want to do this democratically well quasi democratically, everyone should vote on whether homosexual marriage should be allowed.  I am quite certain based on the outcome of several pieces of marriage protection legislation that many parents would not allow their children to play the game and many adults would not play the game either.  Since I seem to remember that NCSoft wanted a teen rating it seems to me that keeping that out of the game might be in the best interest of this company, in so far as wanting to appeal to underage children they have to appeal to their parents.

How about we vote to take away your reproduction rights? Cause I'd hate to see the shit you'll be teaching children.

And by the way pedophilia has nothing to do with gay marriage in a video game, so keep it the hell out of here.

Can we do the same to you for your utter stupidity? He was using EXAMPLES. We did learn what examples are in school right? You know "Here is an example children, 2+2=4"

nakuma

Originally posted by Leonidus0

Since GW2 will probably support marriage and player housing, I was wondering if there will be gay marriage. I think it's only fair and the players deserve equal rights just like in real life.

sorry corkie, this isn't real life. get over it.

Shoju

A simple 'homosexuality doesn't exist in the Guild Wars world' statement from the developers would nail this whole thing shut.  The real world having homosexuality doesn't necessarily have to mean that it exists everywhere.....in every game.

Pryetta

Originally posted by Shoju

A simple 'homosexuality doesn't exist in the Guild Wars world' statement from the developers would nail this whole thing shut.  The real world having homosexuality doesn't necessarily have to mean that it exists everywhere.....in every game.

But there wasn't even a marriage system in Guild Wars. I have no idea why suddenly someone has to bring it up for Guild Wars 2.

nakuma

Originally posted by fatboy21007

Its against my religion and gods way period. Also games are not SOCIAL HOOK UP SITES. Games are made to have fun. not find ur next date and get hitched.

against your religion? maybe, but  not theirs. so take your bible jimmy swagfart and press on. but I do agree on next part, games do have tard's thinking they may get a date. I seriously have sympathy for a person who needs to date via virtual means. Most people in online games are shall we say visually handicapped when it comes to being attractive.

 

Go socialize in Real life, there is a whole world out there, there are plenty of bars to bounce around in, and get that special slut crumpet your heart has been desiring. lol

nakuma

Originally posted by ANDRIOD

I'm all for gay marriage as long as both chicks are hot.

i have to agree, Well fucking played sir. lol

djstorman

Originally posted by Ballista

Originally posted by djstorman

Originally posted by Kaijin2k3

Aaah. The ol' "I'm right 'cause others say so, so if you disagree you're wrroongg! *plugs fingers in ear*" arguments. Unfortunately, trolling with this topic is so insanely easy because it gets on so many people's nerves, I can't give many points to the OP

 

As for me, I'm pro-gay (and a heterosexual to boot!) so that isn't an issue. Marriage in a game... if it's just a different way to provide buffs, I'm against it. Then it becomes a situation where you have to do this to compete. If not, then I won't care. I'm a roleplayer eitherway and have RP'd marriages before so nyeh.

 

As for the derailed topic, to those saying "gay is wrong because religion/voters say so!" please stop. If you're incapable of explaining a belief calmly and rationally without resorting to the escape of "because someone else/some group told me so," then I would completely suggest re-evaluating this belief.

 

Just my 2 cents.

 If you look at most of my posts you will see that there are several different facets on the issue of homosexual marriage.

#1 The citizens of a society determine what is "normal" and what isnt.  (Did you know that incertain tribes of New Guinea pedophilia is an accepted norm?) Hence if the majority of voting citizens of this country or most countries believe that homosexual marriage is against what they want the accepted norm to be, then they will pass laws that reflect this belief.  Since most people of these great united states believe that marriage should be between a man and a women, pretty sure which way the tide is for the deviant behavior that homosexuals want to be the " Norm"

#2 Religion, religion, religion.  There are so many, so many ways that religion can be used to refute the claim by homosexuals that their deviant behavior is "good, and right".  Various bible verses, stories, examples etc.  That isnt to say that we should hate homosexuals, which consequently I dont. However neither should we accept their deviant behavior.  I dont hate murderers, or rapists, or pedophiles, women that have abortions, those that help kill the terminally ill, those that have sex with animals, those that have sex with their close family.... But I certainly dont accept that their behavior is anything other then it is, and that is( based on religious beliefs); deviant, immoral and some might say evil.

#3 Physiologically the basis for the marriage of a man and a women is certainly clear, if you dont believe that to be the case, I wont argue with you because stupid is very hard to argue with.

Which brings me back to my original post of, if you want to do this democratically well quasi democratically, everyone should vote on whether homosexual marriage should be allowed.  I am quite certain based on the outcome of several pieces of marriage protection legislation that many parents would not allow their children to play the game and many adults would not play the game either.  Since I seem to remember that NCSoft wanted a teen rating it seems to me that keeping that out of the game might be in the best interest of this company, in so far as wanting to appeal to underage children they have to appeal to their parents.

How about we vote to take away your reproduction rights? Cause I'd hate to see the shit you'll be teaching children.

And by the way pedophilia has nothing to do with gay marriage in a video game, so keep it the hell out of here.

 If you think that someone is homosexual to reproduce might want to take an Anatomy and Physiology class.  As for pedophilia that like homosexuality and other things are  deviant behaviors.

eburn

Well I'll marry gay couples in Guild Wars 2 if anyone wants the service done. If I can make cake in the game, there will be cake. All gay bashers will then be challenged to pvp and I will watch the rainbow army mutilate them and their false ideology. Then come up with some in game lore reason as to why it happened.

I'll send that Weird West Blarohajsldfoglsd Baptist Church group an invite and some trial codes so they can protest in the game.

That would be awesome.

Henchdwarf

i love the ammount of people who weighed in on this topic to say they didnt care about the issue. also people who are against gay marriage in a game because they are against ANY marriage in a game,  try to comprehend the nature of the question here.

if there are no marriages in a game, cool beans. if you only allow hetero marriages, you are being homophobic which is wrong because it  cooperates with so much discrimination and hate, even if it is a very insignificant stage, the debate has a place everywhere, until all people have equal recognition.

 

people dont get beat up in school because they are straight. etc etc etc

 

eburn

Originally posted by Pryetta

Originally posted by Shoju

A simple 'homosexuality doesn't exist in the Guild Wars world' statement from the developers would nail this whole thing shut.  The real world having homosexuality doesn't necessarily have to mean that it exists everywhere.....in every game.

But there wasn't even a marriage system in Guild Wars. I have no idea why suddenly someone has to bring it up for Guild Wars 2.

Screen shots of an event that looked like a marriage ceremony.

Plus a game developer taking such a stand would be retarded. Fact is homosexuality exists in everything and always has. Why would a game company try and make a statement saying 'there's no gays here'. It's kind of like how Akmandanjanibad said there were no gays in Iran. LoL

Acceptance is the best solution, at least that's what Jesus said.

djstorman

Originally posted by Cruoris

i love the ammount of people who weighed in on this topic to say they didnt care about the issue. also people who are against gay marriage in a game because they are against ANY marriage in a game,  try to comprehend the nature of the question here.

if there are no marriages in a game, cool beans. if you only allow hetero marriages, you are being homophobic which is wrong because it  cooperates with so much discrimination and hate, even if it is a very insignificant stage, the debate has a place everywhere, until all people have equal recognition.

 

people dont get beat up in school because they are straight. etc etc etc

 

 SOOooOooOooooO MannnnnnnNnnnNy ThingGgggGggGSsssSsSSs. Read all my posts and you will understand.  Wait nevermind.  Put in my 5 dollars.  If most people dont agree with marriage being defined as deviant, immoral, reprehensible, sinful, disgusting, unnatural that is homosexuality in real life, doubt its gonna be fine in game. 

People are religious and homosexuals are against all religions.  I can say I am catholic, or islamic, but if I go around killing people, raping people, and preying on lil girls or boys or being homosexual and I dont repent I am still doing something that goes against physiological rules, and stuff that god said is not a good thing.  I am thinking if you do the stuff listed above... you might want to rethink your life goals, or at least your end life goals, because that heat you feel isnt from your heater......

 

Peace, said my piece and this baddddd thread has officially ended for me. 

 

Have fun.

djstorman

Originally posted by eburn

Originally posted by Pryetta

Originally posted by Shoju

A simple 'homosexuality doesn't exist in the Guild Wars world' statement from the developers would nail this whole thing shut.  The real world having homosexuality doesn't necessarily have to mean that it exists everywhere.....in every game.

But there wasn't even a marriage system in Guild Wars. I have no idea why suddenly someone has to bring it up for Guild Wars 2.

Screen shots of an event that looked like a marriage ceremony.

Plus a game developer taking such a stand would be retarded. Fact is homosexuality exists in everything and always has. Why would a game company try and make a statement saying 'there's no gays here'. It's kind of like how Akmandanjanibad said there were no gays in Iran. LoL

Acceptance is the best solution, at least that's what Jesus said.

 Ok one last thing I couldnt pass up.  Would you accept me shooting you? Raping your children?   yeahhh pretty hard to accept something that is so fundamentally wrong.  Homosexuality exists in everything, that must be true... but so does murder, pedophilia, rape and everything else that is evil.... should we accept that as well ??

Illogical statements are fail. ......