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Question for Non-EVE players and players that tried EVE but didn't stay.

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  • jpnolejpnole Member UncommonPosts: 1,698
    Originally posted by Teala

    This is a very simple question and would like some serious responses from the gaming community at large - but most from non-EVE players. 
     
    What is it, or was it, about the game of EVE that keeps you from playing the game?

     

    I didn't like how everything revolves around offline training. Click a skill to train it and wait. It's very much like a scaled up version of a Facebook game except with better graphics. There are no action sequences to the game. Entirely a sim mmo.
  • generals3generals3 Member Posts: 3,307

    Originally posted by jpnole

    Originally posted by Teala

    This is a very simple question and would like some serious responses from the gaming community at large - but most from non-EVE players. 

     

    What is it, or was it, about the game of EVE that keeps you from playing the game?

     

    I didn't like how everything revolves around offline training. Click a skill to train it and wait. It's very much like a scaled up version of a Facebook game except with better graphics. There are no action sequences to the game. Entirely a sim mmo.

    This is what made me stop twice (re-subbed again tho , just needed an MMO to play^^)/

    I felt so powerless to my character's progression , when you have the isks its all about waiting and waiting for your skills to be trained.

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  • Xondar123Xondar123 Member CommonPosts: 2,543

    Originally posted by Teala

    This is a very simple question and would like some serious responses from the gaming community at large - but most from non-EVE players. 

     

    What is it, or was it, about the game of EVE that keeps you from playing the game?

    Lack of human avatars. A problem which will be fixed (supposedly) this year with Incarna.

    I already have a copy I bought from Steam for $1.99, I'll install and activate when Incarna is released.

  • MalcanisMalcanis Member UncommonPosts: 3,297

    Originally posted by Xondar123

    Originally posted by Teala

    This is a very simple question and would like some serious responses from the gaming community at large - but most from non-EVE players. 

     

    What is it, or was it, about the game of EVE that keeps you from playing the game?

    Lack of human avatars. A problem which will be fixed (supposedly) this year with Incarna.

    I already have a copy I bought from Steam for $1.99, I'll install and activate when Incarna is released.

     

     

    Uh, you realise that the client is free to download, right? You can download it straight from CCP's website for nothing. The $1.99 you paid was for activating an account. I guess your month from steam is probably up, but if not you should at least get some use out of it and start training a few skills.

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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,065

    Originally posted by generals3

    Originally posted by jpnole


    Originally posted by Teala

    This is a very simple question and would like some serious responses from the gaming community at large - but most from non-EVE players. 

     

    What is it, or was it, about the game of EVE that keeps you from playing the game?

     

    I didn't like how everything revolves around offline training. Click a skill to train it and wait. It's very much like a scaled up version of a Facebook game except with better graphics. There are no action sequences to the game. Entirely a sim mmo.

    This is what made me stop twice (re-subbed again tho , just needed an MMO to play^^)/

    I felt so powerless to my character's progression , when you have the isks its all about waiting and waiting for your skills to be trained.

    Can't disagree much with you there, it is a bit agonizing in the beginning, when your choices are low, and there's a ton of skills to train.

    EVE takes a lot of patience, and not everyone has it in spades.  (probably why it appals more to older gamers, we have more of it generally speaking)

    But once you climb the hill (not going to lie, 6 months, year, even 1.5 years before you really start worrying less and less about what to train next because you are so busy working with all the ships/abilities you have trained.

    But once you get there, it becomes a moot point. I actually get annoyed sometimes now (after 3 years) when I realize I have to select yet another skill to train. (after you pass 50M SPS everything is just gravy).  I've actually found myself doing crazy stuff like training all my core gunnery skills up to 5 including all 3 types of guns, and getting the spec skills to 4 just because it all takes so much time and I don't have to pick new ones very often.

    For me, the off line training is the games greatest appeal. I don't have a lot of time to "work" at my progression and I used to gnash my teeth in other games as people with more time to play than me soared forward in terms of progression and end game content, and I had to plod along behind the leaders.  (used to wish for a game that limited every character to no more than 2 hours a day so I could keep up...)

    Not the case with EVE, I can train as quickly as anyone, even if I can't log in for 3 or 4 days. 

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  • vi2023lyvi2023ly Member Posts: 56

    I played EvE for almost three years.

    I did very well for msyelf , but I finally quit when I realized I didn't need this game anymore.  By that I mean I could take all that I had learned about managing risk, operating in the face of opposition, and knowing who to trust and how much, and apply it to real life and be succesful there instead of in a video game.  It's actually working out quite well for me so I can't really complain either way.

    Although this mail almost got me to resub:

    My name is XXX and it is my hopes that you remember the days when we used to travel together among the constellations of New Eden. I've recently noticed that when we last parted ways a substantial amount of ISK remained in my account. While one would normally relish such a windfall, this has proven a rather problematic situation for me, as the lack of sufficient advancement in AI has left me unable to spend it myself.



    I have spoken with the local authorities and negotiated a free pass for your return in order to reclaim your funds. The button below will grant you a one-day activation and it is my highest wishes that you will join me in New Eden and put these funds to good use.



    The total amount awaiting you is 5,650,928,363 which I have been told can be traded for at least one full month of time in New Eden, if not more.* Please return and take this ISK off my hands. Spend it on PLEX. Spend it training new skills. Indulge in a night of reckless abandon. Having 5,650,928,363 ISK in my bank and not being able to spend it is torture. Please save me from this fate.



    * Price of PLEX may vary from region to region. Current rate at the time of this email is approximately 320 million ISK.



    Yours faithfully,



    XXX

    But EvE is pretty time intensive and I knew all I'd do is sit in Jita and train skills as I'm very focused on my RL projects right now.  I've been playing these games less and less actually - I can see the appeal of themepark lead-you-by-the-nose games as they're simple (though not without challenge when done right) and you can jump in and out pretty much whenever you want, but they still have the same fundamental problem - if you want to be anyone of any significance within the game you have to put in the time, which I'm just unwilling to do anymore.

  • TazlorTazlor Member UncommonPosts: 864

    1. no ground combat

     

    2. to much mining for resources

     

    3. real time ship creation

     

    4. i don't like sandbox MMO's

     

    5. just looks and sounds boring

  • Luthor_XLuthor_X Member Posts: 431

    I have played on and off since launch. I have a hi-sec miner / manufacturer / trader. And also the obligatory low-sec / no sec pirate scum toon. I just dont' have the time to play to win anymore..

     

    To be effective, at least to me, you must devote a lot of tiime to the game. Time I do not have anymore :(

  • spankybusspankybus Member UncommonPosts: 1,367

    EVE is great on paper. I have a toon that is 5 years old, subbed on and off. But everytime I sub, i know it will only be for maybe a month, then I am bored.

     

    It simply requires too much effort on my part. I'm not dogging the game, I simply means that I have too much going on in my life to partake in this kind of game. EVE's PvE content really is quite boring, the meat of the game is in player-driven content. That requires a lot of time. If you happen to have the time to really get into it, its fantastic.

     

    Another negative for me... A lot Corps that are involved in this kind of play are run by dorks with no life and a very large E-Peen. They want you to log in on their corp website, you have designated responsibilities, required to play X number of hours a week. I mean, its like a real job in both responsibilities and time requirements. If people put as much effort into heir lives that they did in this game, they'd be very successful people.

     

    I wish I had the time to play games that hardcore, but sadly, I just don't :-(

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  • SaydienSaydien Member Posts: 266

    I now and then return but since by now you can't even do a single mission without having people ninja your loot and wrecks. A noob (like me) simply can't match those people in our for fight against BS fitted BS.

  • econ24econ24 Member Posts: 45

    I recently tried EVE when it was on sale from Steam for $2. I am glad I did not pay full price. It never felt like I was actually playing the game. All I seemed to do was select options from various drop-down menus and then the auto-pilot executed my commands.

    EVE is not a very noob friendly game either. You have to learn skills from books for EVERY little thing. I tried to get up to take an AFK bathroom break during gameplay and I was informed that I would first need to learn the proper skills...

    Plus, all of the options you are given are really quite overwhelming to a noob player. I would check out their wiki page and would become lost in a deluge of information. When I start a new game I want to ease into things and pick up stuff as I go so I can experience the game and not bother with technicalities initially.

    Their noob experience is awful as well. I was working through their starter quests to be a combat pilot and was sent to destroy a pirate base. I am not sure if I was attacking the wrong thing or what, but I spent nearly 30 minutes destroying various structures of the base and I was not even half finished yet. I was loaded down with missiles and wasted every single one and was left pew-pewing with my lasers before I just got sick of it! It was insane!

    All in all, I am glad I only paid $2...

  • Luthor_XLuthor_X Member Posts: 431

    Originally posted by econ24

    I recently tried EVE when it was on sale from Steam for $2. I am glad I did not pay full price. It never felt like I was actually playing the game. All I seemed to do was select options from various drop-down menus and then the auto-pilot executed my commands.

    EVE is not a very noob friendly game either. You have to learn skills from books for EVERY little thing. I tried to get up to take an AFK bathroom break during gameplay and I was informed that I would first need to learn the proper skills...

    Plus, all of the options you are given are really quite overwhelming to a noob player. I would check out their wiki page and would become lost in a deluge of information. When I start a new game I want to ease into things and pick up stuff as I go so I can experience the game and not bother with technicalities initially.

    Their noob experience is awful as well. I was working through their starter quests to be a combat pilot and was sent to destroy a pirate base. I am not sure if I was attacking the wrong thing or what, but I spent nearly 30 minutes destroying various structures of the base and I was not even half finished yet. I was loaded down with missiles and wasted every single one and was left pew-pewing with my lasers before I just got sick of it! It was insane!

    All in all, I am glad I only paid $2...

     

    That was a epic steam 4th of july sale... not just for eve, but for everything!

  • SgtFrogSgtFrog Member Posts: 5,001

    Bad luck..every time i start the game something happens..like last time i wanted to start i played the game for one day then lost my computer for 6 weeks.

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  • Rockgod99Rockgod99 Member Posts: 4,640
    Originally posted by econ24

    I recently tried EVE when it was on sale from Steam for $2. I am glad I did not pay full price. It never felt like I was actually playing the game. All I seemed to do was select options from various drop-down menus and then the auto-pilot executed my commands.
    EVE is not a very noob friendly game either. You have to learn skills from books for EVERY little thing. I tried to get up to take an AFK bathroom break during gameplay and I was informed that I would first need to learn the proper skills...
    Plus, all of the options you are given are really quite overwhelming to a noob player. I would check out their wiki page and would become lost in a deluge of information. When I start a new game I want to ease into things and pick up stuff as I go so I can experience the game and not bother with technicalities initially.
    Their noob experience is awful as well. I was working through their starter quests to be a combat pilot and was sent to destroy a pirate base. I am not sure if I was attacking the wrong thing or what, but I spent nearly 30 minutes destroying various structures of the base and I was not even half finished yet. I was loaded down with missiles and wasted every single one and was left pew-pewing with my lasers before I just got sick of it! It was insane!
    All in all, I am glad I only paid $2...

     

    That sucks that you do t have patience to even make it through the early part of the game. If you wanted to learn as you go why didn't you just pay attention to the tutorials and run the 60 beginner profession missions and the epic arc (another 60 missions)?
    You didn't need to go read the wiki.

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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,065

    Originally posted by Saydien

    I now and then return but since by now you can't even do a single mission without having people ninja your loot and wrecks. A noob (like me) simply can't match those people in our for fight against BS fitted BS.

    Not quite sure where you are mission running, but move away from the noob zones and you should have no problem. I ran 3 missions this morning w/o a single incident and I can't recall the last time I ran into a Ninja looter. 

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  • Frostbite05Frostbite05 Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 1,880

    Originally posted by Kyleran

    Originally posted by Saydien

    I now and then return but since by now you can't even do a single mission without having people ninja your loot and wrecks. A noob (like me) simply can't match those people in our for fight against BS fitted BS.

    Not quite sure where you are mission running, but move away from the noob zones and you should have no problem. I ran 3 missions this morning w/o a single incident and I can't recall the last time I ran into a Ninja looter. 

    Ninja looting isn't much of a problem in EVE if it does happen its more of a random incident that honestly happen very seldom.

  • DrilDril Member Posts: 107

    I've done the trial twice, and each time two things have stopped me basically getting past the first hour:

    The UI and the controls. Neither work for me. At all.

    (This is pretty much the same reason I don't play a lot of F2Ps as well: if you can only click to move or WASD then I lose interest immediately.)

    RIFT was a *crushing* disappointment; a shallow, loveless, generic MMO the likes of which hasn't been seen in a P2P format since, well, forever.

    Eagerly awaiting: World of Darkness, ArcheAge.

  • LonewolfLonewolf Member UncommonPosts: 252

    Simple really....time

    Eve isn't a game you can just jump into have a few hours of blasting fun then go shopping with the missus or go out with your friends for the evening

    Eve really is the game for people with little to no lives. I don't mean that insultingly but if you join a mining op or dare I say a major fleet op you can be sat there for over 8hrs or more

    Now thats not to say games like WoW or even EQ or EQ2 didn't have you spending such massive amounts of time playing, but Eve makes it nigh impossible to simply LD or leave because you have to go out or your kids are running riot round the house

    If you leave you are guaranteed to either be left in null sec in some random enemy system or you end up losing your ship and the significant amount of ISK with it. However this doesn't happen in games like WoW or EQ2 you just leave or hearth stone back to you chosen place

    Which brings me on to another problem with Eve, travelling. It just takes too much time to get anywhere or get away from anywhere, thats not a problem with the game as it works in its environment but it becomes a real problem if you go on holiday or something

    Give you an example, I was in a corp in Null sec and went on holiday for 2 weeks and left a month long training skill on. Quite happy that I could relax away in a sunny country

    However, upon my return we had lost our system to an enemy corp, and my 2+billion assets were lost to an enemy station, I tried to get back up there and managed to get them all in a cargo and made a massive run of about 32 jumps back to the empire but got caught in a warp bubble 10 jumps out and lost everything. Thats not a problem its just the time it took me to get all of this together and then travel that far, was the best part of half a day. Just seemed unecessary

    So yeah for me it was time. Eve acts like another job in itself, you can't just jump on and get a real hook into the game without it taking over your life

  • FoomerangFoomerang Member UncommonPosts: 5,628

    Most of the EVE experience for me was just reading.   Never really felt like I was actually playing a game.

  • DrakynnDrakynn Member Posts: 2,030

    for me personally I jsut felt a disconnect with what was going on on screen...I played a trial acocutn for as long as it lasted but couldn't really decide if I was really enjoying it or not,it was engaging but I couldn't decide if I was acutally having fun...so I couldn't justify paying for it on that basis.

  • Rockgod99Rockgod99 Member Posts: 4,640
    Even though I do t like the way he put it Lonewolf is correct Eve online requires a major time investment. What had to do to keep wife aggro to minimal levels, how I juggled everything during my time in null sec would amaze the majority of the non-eve gamers on this site.

    There's a reason we call eve the ultimate scifi simulation because it's like living another life! Sorry but it's true. Honestly I wouldn't have it any other way. As time goes on ccp will add more and more to eve and it will require even more time to invest.

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  • segamansegaman Member Posts: 65

    Unable to fast find 1on1 PvP. I wanted action,but instead,every time CONCORD(or sentry guns) ganked me or pilots just left the belts (in <0.5) with smell like they shit....boring

  • Rockgod99Rockgod99 Member Posts: 4,640
    Originally posted by segaman

    Unable to fast find 1on1 PvP. I wanted action,but instead,every time CONCORD(or sentry guns) ganked me or pilots just left the belts (in <0.5) with smell like they shit....boring</p>

     




    LoL!!!!!! Dude.... You didn't want 1v1 you wanted to gank unprepared pilots in empire. For PvP you goto low sec .4 sec and under.. Lol newb.

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  • Rockgod99Rockgod99 Member Posts: 4,640
    Originally posted by Foomerang

    Most of the EVE experience for me was just reading.   Never really felt like I was actually playing a game.

     


    Because it isn't a game.

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  • KelvrekKelvrek Member Posts: 86

    Originally posted by Rockgod99

    Originally posted by segaman

    Unable to fast find 1on1 PvP. I wanted action,but instead,every time CONCORD(or sentry guns) ganked me or pilots just left the belts (in <0.5) with smell like they shit....boring

     

    LoL!!!!!! Dude.... You didn't want 1v1 you wanted to gank unprepared pilots in empire. For PvP you goto low sec .4 sec and under.. Lol newb.

    The way to attempt 1v1 PVP is to drop a can with one piece of ammo in it and have another player steal it.  Then you can shoot them and they can defend themselves without concord involvement.  A common ruse is when people drop a can and ask players to help them "test their new build."  I believe once you steal from them both they and their corp mates can waste you and loot your wreck.

    As far as why I left EvE after more than a year of play:

    EvE is a major time investment.  It's a big reason why many people leave and has been addressed already by Lonewolf.

    Lots of patience is also required.  Travel can be cumbersome (distance and logistics).  PvP can also be pretty boring.  It's the old "wait an hour for 2 min of excitement" situation.  The PvP was also pretty lopsided in most cases with one side trying to escape the more powerful side.  Combat ratios of 5:1 were not uncommon.  Although it was somewhat exciting, it was hardly a matter of player skills or builds.

    I don't dislike EvE.  I think it is a deep game in an expansive setting and would be wonderful for people with oodles of time to play.  Unfortunately, I have fallen into the casual gaming crowd due to the time demands of real life, and EvE is not a casual game.  I think it would be a mistake for CCP to try to change the game to accomodate people like me.

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