When I ran my guild in WoW, I had one very simple rule: whine about stuff like language and ur out, lol. I mean really, kickass is THAT bad? WTF?!?! I would almost want to petition a GM to get parental controls placed on that user since WoW is apparently too extreme, lol.
That is your choice, just as the guild officer who kicked the OP has the right to do so for any reason. I can assure you that saying "kickass" is not the only reason the OP was kicked. He's proven beyond any doubt to me that he's one of those guild members who is simply annoying as hell to some people - the lazy type where words are run together or are flat out misspelled, the attitude, the argumentative personality, the inability to accept responsibility, the refusal to apologize and the utter lack of ability to see TWO sides.
As many have already alluded to, this was merely a reason for someone to boot him that didn't like him...and I promise you that if one person didn't like him, more didn't like him.
This isn't to say "I" would have kicked him, but I curse like a flippin sailor. Annoying, if helpful, is tolerable.
When I was in Wal-mart, yes Wal-Mart, The place that is against all things adultish they had Kick-Ass on display right next to the checkout stand. I noticed a 5 year old kid picking up a copy and telling his mom he wanted it. Then right after that another under 12 year old wanted it as well within in 1 minute. Kind of funny for a family friendly place to be marketing an R Rated film to youngsters.
When I ran my guild in WoW, I had one very simple rule: whine about stuff like language and ur out, lol. I mean really, kickass is THAT bad? WTF?!?! I would almost want to petition a GM to get parental controls placed on that user since WoW is apparently too extreme, lol.
That is your choice, just as the guild officer who kicked the OP has the right to do so for any reason. I can assure you that saying "kickass" is not the only reason the OP was kicked. He's proven beyond any doubt to me that he's one of those guild members who is simply annoying as hell to some people - the lazy type where words are run together or are flat out misspelled, the attitude, the argumentative personality, the inability to accept responsibility, the refusal to apologize and the utter lack of ability to see TWO sides.
As many have already alluded to, this was merely a reason for someone to boot him that didn't like him...and I promise you that if one person didn't like him, more didn't like him.
This isn't to say "I" would have kicked him, but I curse like a flippin sailor. Annoying, if helpful, is tolerable.
why do people ignore the fact that i only just met him on that hour? i guess its just convenient for you to make me out as a bad guy?
When I ran my guild in WoW, I had one very simple rule: whine about stuff like language and ur out, lol. I mean really, kickass is THAT bad? WTF?!?! I would almost want to petition a GM to get parental controls placed on that user since WoW is apparently too extreme, lol.
That is your choice, just as the guild officer who kicked the OP has the right to do so for any reason. I can assure you that saying "kickass" is not the only reason the OP was kicked. He's proven beyond any doubt to me that he's one of those guild members who is simply annoying as hell to some people - the lazy type where words are run together or are flat out misspelled, the attitude, the argumentative personality, the inability to accept responsibility, the refusal to apologize and the utter lack of ability to see TWO sides.
As many have already alluded to, this was merely a reason for someone to boot him that didn't like him...and I promise you that if one person didn't like him, more didn't like him.
This isn't to say "I" would have kicked him, but I curse like a flippin sailor. Annoying, if helpful, is tolerable.
why do people ignore the fact that i only just met him on that hour? i guess its just convenient for you to make me out as a bad guy?
You like to keep stuff stirred up, seams that way. You cussing might have been the last straw, but I can guarantee you unless you make some changes in the way you handle things your going to be a very sad person in mmo's as you will sooner or later wind up on the ignore list of most folks including any guild mates you may have.
This tread has went beyond silly. What should have happened was that you learned that this guild was not for you, and that you learned from a lot of the advise given to you i this thread. Instead you keep trying to act like the victim.
With that I am dropping this thread as it has turned into a whine fest.
When I ran my guild in WoW, I had one very simple rule: whine about stuff like language and ur out, lol. I mean really, kickass is THAT bad? WTF?!?! I would almost want to petition a GM to get parental controls placed on that user since WoW is apparently too extreme, lol.
That is your choice, just as the guild officer who kicked the OP has the right to do so for any reason. I can assure you that saying "kickass" is not the only reason the OP was kicked. He's proven beyond any doubt to me that he's one of those guild members who is simply annoying as hell to some people - the lazy type where words are run together or are flat out misspelled, the attitude, the argumentative personality, the inability to accept responsibility, the refusal to apologize and the utter lack of ability to see TWO sides.
As many have already alluded to, this was merely a reason for someone to boot him that didn't like him...and I promise you that if one person didn't like him, more didn't like him.
This isn't to say "I" would have kicked him, but I curse like a flippin sailor. Annoying, if helpful, is tolerable.
why do people ignore the fact that i only just met him on that hour? i guess its just convenient for you to make me out as a bad guy?
Cloud...you came here asking what WE would do. Did you break the rules, yes. Was he justified, yes. Does this make you a bad person? Of course not. This is a forum and text can be read in a billion different ways...so don't take this personally...it isn't. I don't know you except from a few replies, but I'm doing my best to offer my honest opinion.
Let me ask a few questions:
Do you think you were at all wrong in saying "kickass"?
Were you at all wrong in not owning up to it and apologizing for offending the guy?
Were you aware of the rule?
Were there children in the guild possibly? Was this a "family" guild or religious guild?
You need to learn to accept blame, handle criticism, be accountable for your actions and you REALLY need be open minded to differences of opinions and personalities.
Again, I'm not saying what you did offends me, God knows I curse a helluva lot more than I should, nor am I saying you're an asshat. You simply didn't fit in that guild...just like I don't do well at times on the Men of God CoD W@W server...never been kicked, but I also don't push the boundaries. Their server, their rules...just as it is with the guild you were in.
I would've kicked you too if you purposely swore. Movie or not. They obviously had children playing in the guild and wanted to keep it swear word free.
So the kids could then grow up and hate words like their parents?
Yes. The underlying definition of a bad word is that it is well ..... bad. What constitutes a bad word depends a lot on who you are and where you are from. There are many racial slurs, ethnic slurs, religious slurs etc that various people consider bad and others dont. This is why societies develop rules which turn into laws when goverments form. To govern the interactions of two or more people such that those people can figure out a way to coexist with each other. We all have things which offend us personally and very rarely do two people have exactly the same set of things which offend them. We must therefore be open minded when dealing with other people to allow for non-intentional offensive behaviour and to realise when your own behaviour is considered offensive and potentially change it for that particular social setting. This is part of what being a responsible adult means.
I would've kicked you too if you purposely swore. Movie or not. They obviously had children playing in the guild and wanted to keep it swear word free.
So the kids could then grow up and hate words like their parents?
Yes. The underlying definition of a bad word is that it is well ..... bad. What constitutes a bad word depends a lot on who you are and where you are from. There are many racial slurs, ethnic slurs, religious slurs etc that various people consider bad and others dont. This is why societies develop rules which turn into laws when goverments form. To govern the interactions of two or more people such that those people can figure out a way to coexist with each other. We all have things which offend us personally and very rarely do two people have exactly the same set of things which offend them. We must therefore be open minded when dealing with other people to allow for non-intentional offensive behaviour and to realise when your own behaviour is considered offensive and potentially change it for that particular social setting. This is part of what being a responsible adult means.
Very well stated.
Whether the boot from the guild was trivial or not, when you joined the guild you agreed to the rules, regardless of how annoying they are. If a guild has a rule that you never say pwn and then you say it, you have no right to complain about being booted.
Name of a movie or not, it's still a curse word. I can think of -lots- of movie names you would get fired from work if you were to say them.
One thing is for certain. The guild wasn't for you. This doesn't make you right for breaking their rules or them wrong for having what might be considered a foolish rule. It still comes down to the fact you knew the rule, you went against it, and you were removed. Move on and find a guild that won't care what you say and allow this guild to maintain any standards they set forth.
would prolly need to know more about both sides. What game? was it an RP guild? what is their policy on cursing? what is the overall image of the guild?
either way sounds, retarded on both ends to be honest.
it was a non rp guild.
they did have a non swearing policy but why would a movie name set a GL off like that?
Good for them if they actually stood their ground on THEIR RULES which you obviously did not follow. I guess I wouldn't be mad at them but mad at myself for not honoring the guild rules or for joining without understanding them. Oh, and makes no difference if you were saying a "movie name" or not. The words were against the rules period.
WOW.....it really seems everyone likes to knitpick this guy like he's on trial. We have no proof that he did anything other than say the movie title. Everything else is all assumption. He admits that he said the movie title and didn't mean to make it a swear word. Swear words are in the eye of the beholder, so to speak. It really depends what you consider a swear. Granted, he's at fault for not realizing this, but also the leader/officer is to. The leader/officer should of realized this and been a little more leanent or at least just warn him. We don't know the whole story, so yes, he might of done something else, but he could of also have done nothing. The officer/leader could of been having a bad day or something else.
Either way OP, move on and go to a different guild because they're obviously really uptight.
if it was fun guild then the officer who kicked you is retarded
if it was serious guild then it is good you have been kicked as you tried to showoff when you are obviusly not a core member of that guild, that is just unacceptable for a lesser person in a chain of command to say(especially if you said it via VOIP).
Also I can bet that wasn't the only thing you said(in past) what made that person kick you!
Too true I've been in leadership positions on more than a few guilds I've taken part in far more guild meetings over discipline than I care to note, sometimes certain things certain people do just rub others wrong. I've been in guild groups and heard conversations that I thought nothing of until that guild leader/member let me know what about the topic got to them, now honestly I play a game for fun and if any other emotion should enter the equation I don't deal with it anymore since bs in SWG so I've never cared either way until topics were brought to me.
We had one guild member who never really broke a single rule but what she did do was complain constantly, I took her with a higher level toon through the entire North Downs and the entire time she complained about everything from my characters powers to her own, we gave her nice equipment free of charge and she just continued to complain, in kin chat nothing but comlaints. Well after about six or seven different complaints of her bringing people down guild leader called a meeting and I then noted I had noticed it too we gave her a choice if I remember right more than a warning but needless to say she didn't last another week.
I could name off many other instances but why if the op is reasonable he should be able to see the same thing. I mean I just find it impossible to think that he has never been in any kind of trouble and if he hadn't that he hadn't noticed never seeing anyone else flex the rules as such.
I've been in similar situations as a guild officer myself. There are people that are just really annoying and cause drama but they don't actually break any of the official rules. So the officers are looking for any infraction they can use to actually get this person kicked without looking like kicking on a whim. The person that was kicked is usually clueless how disliked he/she was and puts the blame on the person who did the kicking as an opressive tyrant.
WOW.....it really seems everyone likes to knitpick this guy like he's on trial. We have no proof that he did anything other than say the movie title. Everything else is all assumption. He admits that he said the movie title and didn't mean to make it a swear word. Swear words are in the eye of the beholder, so to speak. It really depends what you consider a swear. Granted, he's at fault for not realizing this, but also the leader/officer is to. The leader/officer should of realized this and been a little more leanent or at least just warn him. We don't know the whole story, so yes, he might of done something else, but he could of also have done nothing. The officer/leader could of been having a bad day or something else.
Either way OP, move on and go to a different guild because they're obviously really uptight.
Actually EVERYTHING about this is an assumption. We don't know that he said the movie title at all. We don't know that he was actually kicked from the guild. We don't know if he was actually in a guild. Heck we do not even know if he is a he.
Everything he told us we have to take purely on faith and if we something does not make sense or seems exagarated we have to quesion it if we want to responsibly respond to him It is actually irresponsible to take his word on what happened without interrogating him more to see if his story holds up.
WOW.....it really seems everyone likes to knitpick this guy like he's on trial. We have no proof that he did anything other than say the movie title. Everything else is all assumption. He admits that he said the movie title and didn't mean to make it a swear word. Swear words are in the eye of the beholder, so to speak. It really depends what you consider a swear. Granted, he's at fault for not realizing this, but also the leader/officer is to. The leader/officer should of realized this and been a little more leanent or at least just warn him. We don't know the whole story, so yes, he might of done something else, but he could of also have done nothing. The officer/leader could of been having a bad day or something else.
Either way OP, move on and go to a different guild because they're obviously really uptight.
Actually EVERYTHING about this is an assumption. We don't know that he said the movie title at all. We don't know that he was actually kicked from the guild. We don't know if he was actually in a guild. Heck we do not even know if he is a he.
Everything he told us we have to take purely on faith and if we something does not make sense or seems exagarated we have to quesion it if we want to responsibly respond to him It is actually irresponsible to take his word on what happened without interrogating him more to see if his story holds up.
Just seems more people are putting him on a cross than actually trying to figure out what actually happened. We don't know what happened at all, so technically, we should give him the benefit of the doubt to a certain extent. Not trying to say what he did was right or trying to side with him. Just seems like everybody is saying "No OP, your a lier and your whining for the sake of whining."
All in all, it seems everybody is assuming when they should be actually trying to figure out what happend and give him advice on his question, not tar and feather him to prove said persons opinions correct. All we have is what he said and to think other wise is redundent and irrelevant. Just because you were a guild leader, guild officer, or were in a guild that had something similar happen, doesn't mean this is the case.
I would've kicked you too if you purposely swore. Movie or not. They obviously had children playing in the guild and wanted to keep it swear word free.
So the kids could then grow up and hate words like their parents?
Yes. The underlying definition of a bad word is that it is well ..... bad. What constitutes a bad word depends a lot on who you are and where you are from. There are many racial slurs, ethnic slurs, religious slurs etc that various people consider bad and others dont. This is why societies develop rules which turn into laws when goverments form. To govern the interactions of two or more people such that those people can figure out a way to coexist with each other. We all have things which offend us personally and very rarely do two people have exactly the same set of things which offend them. We must therefore be open minded when dealing with other people to allow for non-intentional offensive behaviour and to realise when your own behaviour is considered offensive and potentially change it for that particular social setting. This is part of what being a responsible adult means.
"This is why societies develop rules which turn into laws when goverments form. To govern the interactions of two or more people such that those people can figure out a way to coexist with each other."
This is the meat of your statement so I will focus this into a higher meaning.
"Ways to coexist" would IMHO be best served by teaching methods to not hate...someone says something someone else consider "bad" and then that someone else draws contempt from a sound(word) or sight(text).
Who is the catalyst of hate in this setting, the person who spoke or the person who hated what was spoken?
It's pretty easy to blame their hate(or emotions) on others and this is why it has become so mainstream because people tend to be lazy. Emotional management is a more difficult task and less common but if we are to "coexist" then I suggest people figure out which end is really "up" before they open the boxes.
I saw my mom hate words and saw one of my brothers hate races, I'm glad I scraped my childhood programing and learned to judge things for myself instead of taking on others opinions as my own.
While education can take you many places, some things can't be taught.
For me being a responsible adult is more about me learning to not hate and better manage my own emotions...at least then I can lead by example.
if it was fun guild then the officer who kicked you is retarded
if it was serious guild then it is good you have been kicked as you tried to showoff when you are obviusly not a core member of that guild, that is just unacceptable for a lesser person in a chain of command to say(especially if you said it via VOIP).
Also I can bet that wasn't the only thing you said(in past) what made that person kick you!
it was a very fun guild. and oen that liked me (id they did not then the one guy would not have warned me about the officer)
reminds me of when i playd the original call of duty....my name was NoJesus4u....which was the title to a song and id often get vote kicked off just because of my name. Oddly, when id roll with the name ZombieJesus i rarely got kicked Pastafarian 4 life
anyone who takes a mmo that serious, any guild leader or officer needs to take like a 3 year break from playing so they can get perspective on life and whats actually important.
It's things like this is why your now seeing a lot more 18+ only guilds. It's so people don't have to worry about someones parents jumping on vent and complaining that your ruining their kids life by saying words to them that they already know.
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That is your choice, just as the guild officer who kicked the OP has the right to do so for any reason. I can assure you that saying "kickass" is not the only reason the OP was kicked. He's proven beyond any doubt to me that he's one of those guild members who is simply annoying as hell to some people - the lazy type where words are run together or are flat out misspelled, the attitude, the argumentative personality, the inability to accept responsibility, the refusal to apologize and the utter lack of ability to see TWO sides.
As many have already alluded to, this was merely a reason for someone to boot him that didn't like him...and I promise you that if one person didn't like him, more didn't like him.
This isn't to say "I" would have kicked him, but I curse like a flippin sailor. Annoying, if helpful, is tolerable.
When I was in Wal-mart, yes Wal-Mart, The place that is against all things adultish they had Kick-Ass on display right next to the checkout stand. I noticed a 5 year old kid picking up a copy and telling his mom he wanted it. Then right after that another under 12 year old wanted it as well within in 1 minute. Kind of funny for a family friendly place to be marketing an R Rated film to youngsters.
why do people ignore the fact that i only just met him on that hour? i guess its just convenient for you to make me out as a bad guy?
You like to keep stuff stirred up, seams that way. You cussing might have been the last straw, but I can guarantee you unless you make some changes in the way you handle things your going to be a very sad person in mmo's as you will sooner or later wind up on the ignore list of most folks including any guild mates you may have.
This tread has went beyond silly. What should have happened was that you learned that this guild was not for you, and that you learned from a lot of the advise given to you i this thread. Instead you keep trying to act like the victim.
With that I am dropping this thread as it has turned into a whine fest.
Cloud...you came here asking what WE would do. Did you break the rules, yes. Was he justified, yes. Does this make you a bad person? Of course not. This is a forum and text can be read in a billion different ways...so don't take this personally...it isn't. I don't know you except from a few replies, but I'm doing my best to offer my honest opinion.
Let me ask a few questions:
Do you think you were at all wrong in saying "kickass"?
Were you at all wrong in not owning up to it and apologizing for offending the guy?
Were you aware of the rule?
Were there children in the guild possibly? Was this a "family" guild or religious guild?
You need to learn to accept blame, handle criticism, be accountable for your actions and you REALLY need be open minded to differences of opinions and personalities.
Again, I'm not saying what you did offends me, God knows I curse a helluva lot more than I should, nor am I saying you're an asshat. You simply didn't fit in that guild...just like I don't do well at times on the Men of God CoD W@W server...never been kicked, but I also don't push the boundaries. Their server, their rules...just as it is with the guild you were in.
Isnt there a reason why there usally are "mature" filters in MMO's >_<... and if there isnt, then why would it be a problem even ? I dont get it.
Yes. The underlying definition of a bad word is that it is well ..... bad. What constitutes a bad word depends a lot on who you are and where you are from. There are many racial slurs, ethnic slurs, religious slurs etc that various people consider bad and others dont. This is why societies develop rules which turn into laws when goverments form. To govern the interactions of two or more people such that those people can figure out a way to coexist with each other. We all have things which offend us personally and very rarely do two people have exactly the same set of things which offend them. We must therefore be open minded when dealing with other people to allow for non-intentional offensive behaviour and to realise when your own behaviour is considered offensive and potentially change it for that particular social setting. This is part of what being a responsible adult means.
Very well stated.
Whether the boot from the guild was trivial or not, when you joined the guild you agreed to the rules, regardless of how annoying they are. If a guild has a rule that you never say pwn and then you say it, you have no right to complain about being booted.
Name of a movie or not, it's still a curse word. I can think of -lots- of movie names you would get fired from work if you were to say them.
One thing is for certain. The guild wasn't for you. This doesn't make you right for breaking their rules or them wrong for having what might be considered a foolish rule. It still comes down to the fact you knew the rule, you went against it, and you were removed. Move on and find a guild that won't care what you say and allow this guild to maintain any standards they set forth.
Sounds like they need to grow up. "oh qq, bad words." Deal with it. There's a lot worse out there in life.
Good for them if they actually stood their ground on THEIR RULES which you obviously did not follow. I guess I wouldn't be mad at them but mad at myself for not honoring the guild rules or for joining without understanding them. Oh, and makes no difference if you were saying a "movie name" or not. The words were against the rules period.
Let's party like it is 1863!
WOW.....it really seems everyone likes to knitpick this guy like he's on trial. We have no proof that he did anything other than say the movie title. Everything else is all assumption. He admits that he said the movie title and didn't mean to make it a swear word. Swear words are in the eye of the beholder, so to speak. It really depends what you consider a swear. Granted, he's at fault for not realizing this, but also the leader/officer is to. The leader/officer should of realized this and been a little more leanent or at least just warn him. We don't know the whole story, so yes, he might of done something else, but he could of also have done nothing. The officer/leader could of been having a bad day or something else.
Either way OP, move on and go to a different guild because they're obviously really uptight.
Everyone has opinions, but does that make them the universal truth??? NO!
if it was fun guild then the officer who kicked you is retarded
if it was serious guild then it is good you have been kicked as you tried to showoff when you are obviusly not a core member of that guild, that is just unacceptable for a lesser person in a chain of command to say(especially if you said it via VOIP).
Also I can bet that wasn't the only thing you said(in past) what made that person kick you!
That's a very fair assumption.
Actually EVERYTHING about this is an assumption. We don't know that he said the movie title at all. We don't know that he was actually kicked from the guild. We don't know if he was actually in a guild. Heck we do not even know if he is a he.
Everything he told us we have to take purely on faith and if we something does not make sense or seems exagarated we have to quesion it if we want to responsibly respond to him It is actually irresponsible to take his word on what happened without interrogating him more to see if his story holds up.
Just seems more people are putting him on a cross than actually trying to figure out what actually happened. We don't know what happened at all, so technically, we should give him the benefit of the doubt to a certain extent. Not trying to say what he did was right or trying to side with him. Just seems like everybody is saying "No OP, your a lier and your whining for the sake of whining."
All in all, it seems everybody is assuming when they should be actually trying to figure out what happend and give him advice on his question, not tar and feather him to prove said persons opinions correct. All we have is what he said and to think other wise is redundent and irrelevant. Just because you were a guild leader, guild officer, or were in a guild that had something similar happen, doesn't mean this is the case.
Everyone has opinions, but does that make them the universal truth??? NO!
"This is why societies develop rules which turn into laws when goverments form. To govern the interactions of two or more people such that those people can figure out a way to coexist with each other."
This is the meat of your statement so I will focus this into a higher meaning.
"Ways to coexist" would IMHO be best served by teaching methods to not hate...someone says something someone else consider "bad" and then that someone else draws contempt from a sound(word) or sight(text).
Who is the catalyst of hate in this setting, the person who spoke or the person who hated what was spoken?
It's pretty easy to blame their hate(or emotions) on others and this is why it has become so mainstream because people tend to be lazy. Emotional management is a more difficult task and less common but if we are to "coexist" then I suggest people figure out which end is really "up" before they open the boxes.
I saw my mom hate words and saw one of my brothers hate races, I'm glad I scraped my childhood programing and learned to judge things for myself instead of taking on others opinions as my own.
While education can take you many places, some things can't be taught.
For me being a responsible adult is more about me learning to not hate and better manage my own emotions...at least then I can lead by example.
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it was a very fun guild. and oen that liked me (id they did not then the one guy would not have warned me about the officer)
reminds me of when i playd the original call of duty....my name was NoJesus4u....which was the title to a song and id often get vote kicked off just because of my name. Oddly, when id roll with the name ZombieJesus i rarely got kicked
Pastafarian 4 life 
They probably kicked you for saying kickass was a great movie
anyone who takes a mmo that serious, any guild leader or officer needs to take like a 3 year break from playing so they can get perspective on life and whats actually important.
Kick-Ass is a great movie... I'd insta-kick anyone out of my guild for saying otherwise.
I would have banned the OP as well, talking about that ****ty over hyped piece of S88t!!
If anything, the girl sould have been called Kick ass,, because she was the only person in the movie, actually Kicking Ass
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i never did it was anouther guild member who said it was. FYI
oviously you did not ge tthe movie. thw whoel point was he was normal trying to be a superhero, thus failing until the end.
It's things like this is why your now seeing a lot more 18+ only guilds. It's so people don't have to worry about someones parents jumping on vent and complaining that your ruining their kids life by saying words to them that they already know.