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MASSIVELY REVIEWS MORTAL ONLINE: "STAY AWAY. STAY FAR AWAY."
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I take it that means the only instance of someone calling her a "carebear" is the one I that I noted (which you didn't know of when you accused fans of calling her "carebear"). You really should have more to back up accusations before you make them.
I think.. in the context of the review (which is the point of this thread), it really doesn't matter if anyone called her a carebear...
What actually matters is that a large portion of the current subscribers believe it was a very fair review. Sure there are a few namecallers, but they are in the minority.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
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True true true...
Looks like the MO Community recognizes the validity of many of the review points and are looking for ways to "help SV" fix some of the glaring issues: http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/53014-community-helping-out-sv.html#post1015118
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
I don't understand how people say MO had a better launch than DFO.
They were very different in the way that :
DFO : Aventurine didn't expect so many subscribers and their hardware couldn't handle the number of players, hence a huge queue for logging in.
As soon as they added that second cluster to their server, people could login quickly and it worked pretty good overall.
Map was huge, PVE was good, AI was already good, loot tables were there, crafting was all there, cities were all there, the game WORKED.
MO : Game client crashed all the time, server crashed twice a day at least, was down half the time, world incomplete, no capital city, no thievery, many missing skills, few creatures, no AI endless bugs etc etc etc...
MO was barely 10% complete at release, DFO was 90% complete.
Good post
As I said numerous times, you cant compare MO launch to any other game. MO simply did not face any of the difficulties any other company usually does, they just slapped a "we are now open" tag on the game with 0 changes between last week of beta and retail. Ofcourse they would not have any significant issues.. and YET, 3 months after release they still cant get their server stable..
This is a serious question... does Starvault know what they are doing?
Former StarVault developer thinks the Massively Review is spot on:
Denny Lindberg
sera_brennan Your Anti-Aliased article regarding Mortal Online was spot on. This ex-developer from Star Vault couldn't agree more.
Here: http://twitter.com/DennyLindberg
Who's Denny?
http://www.mortalonline.com/content/denny-lindberg-a-potpourri-tasks
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
Love it
I appreciate the kind words. Why do people assume I would have an axe to grind against MO because I enjoyed Darkfall? One of the principal things about Darkfall i enjoyed was the deviation from the same failed formula thats been eating at the insides of this genre like a cancer the last few years. Ideally I think the real innovations and ideas will come from small companies like Aventurine and Starvault. I wish them both the best of luck because none of the big companies throwing around a 100 million dollars have the guts to do something new.
I am disappointed truly at the way things have turned out so far for this title. Maybe they can turn it around, only time will tell. I try to approach every MMO with an open mind and examine it from the viewpoint of its target audiance. I was very excited to try to write a review for MO because at the time I had little else going on and I'm always looking for new stuff to write about. To Starvault's credit, their devs really worked with me to try to get the game to work, but eventually I just had to move on after so many downloads and installs.
As someone who has spoken to Sera at massively on several occasions, I can tell you that she is a quality writer and is very fair. This is hardly what I would call a 'Eurogamer" type review, Sera spent a lot of time working on this and perservered through more than i was able to.
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What i hate about the review, she like really go hard on it. I dont know what her mindset was at the biggining, but anyone who jump on MO with the mindset of making fun of it will easily come out as a winner. Matter a fact, its easy to laugh at a niche game, specially since you wont even play it for long enough. Also, she dont even talk about pvp, so you know something is missing. She also dont have that niche perpectif part as someone like me who is tired to see how mainstream mmorpg had become, and would do anything to find an other mmorpg with sandbox and full loot feature. She didnt do taht review for ppl like us around the world thats for sure.
Then, she start saying that she reviewed the game that way because of the price. Nothing else, but the price when she obviously know nothing about niche mmorpg and their loyal fanbase behind it. This one, i received it as when Ed Zytron from Eurogamer compared DF to wow and some other mainstream mmorpg. To me, she is saying that Niche mmorpg like MO dont deserve to have price like wow and other mainstream mmorpgs.
I heard in the official forum that a player name Ninogan saw the review in game. She asked her if she wanted to travel to pvp for a while, and she then kind of ignored her. How can you understand the niche feeling, reviewing one without having a feel of the community as a whole? Matter of fact, when you review an mmorpg, specially a sandbox, the community is the most important aspect of it and you completely slided on it. Last thing she killed was a Pig lol.
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First off, she spent quite a bit of time on pvp. She praised the specifics of how it works while somewhat slamming the bigger picture of guild battles. Perhaps you should take the time to read the whole thing?
Second off, you have not responded to any of the things she has a problem with. Are all the issues in this game accurate? She posted several screenshots so evidently they are. The game is clearly broken in many, many ways and this was the focus of her review - and she did a great job documenting this.
Third, what does a niche market have to do with bamboo that floats in the air or not being able to actually load a character? "To me, she is saying that Niche mmorpg like MO dont deserve to have price like wow and other mainstream mmorpgs." She said absolutely nothing of the sort! And by your statement I'm getting the impression that you think "niche" is synonymous with "poor quality," which tells me that you have a really negative view of what a niche game actually is. Ryzom is a niche game, and it is of a high quality, and there is nothing broken about it. (Ryzom, being niche, can't charge as much as mainstream mmo's and they understand that.) MO is a broken game. Whether it is niche or not is completely missing the point.
Finally, she was not reviewing the community so that has no basis. Your thoughts about community would be completely fair if she had soloed a team-oriented game and slammed it for being too hard to solo. But she spoke very little about content, solo or otherwise. A great community does not help me if my beef with the game is the fact that people just randomly go floating off into space or pigs can run along the bottom of a lake.
I was pleasantly surprised when I went from Apprentice to full 5 star Elite in under 2 months. I was pleasantly surprised again when I went from Elite to just barely Hardcore in 2 weeks. Apprentice, here I come!
Ok, il make it more clear. Reviewing the community in mmorpg is like Reviewing Second life? You get it now?
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Honestly, no.
I was pleasantly surprised when I went from Apprentice to full 5 star Elite in under 2 months. I was pleasantly surprised again when I went from Elite to just barely Hardcore in 2 weeks. Apprentice, here I come!
Then why second life is so succesful? MO still alive for the same reason. If the community sucked, i doubt they would still had that amount of player. Its 50 dollars, 15 a month and i dont see it going free or canceled. So there is still some stuff that keep players playing and subbed to pay. Community play a huge part to keep players in. You can also RP in MO(I know many RP guilds, an aspect that can keep an mmorpg alive for ever) There is also Bubble chat so player can always notice who is talking.
The way you responded seem like you dont chat often in game. A player like me, every mmorpg i play, anyone that i cross, i say hi in hope that they will respond back. In MO, i hardly see players ignoring.
Also, MO got no grind at all. You can max your character under 2 weeks of none stop play. A player who already mastered MO can max his character under 3 days. So what there is left to do? Interact with players around the world, exploring and keep grinding on gears.
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It's difficult to understand what you are trying to say. Part of the problem is that your opinions appear to come solely from reading message boards. You've told us in the past you only played the 2-week DFO trial and have never played MO; so with that in mind, can you be more specific and help us understand how you can review a review from a person who actually played a game you have not ?
-CC
"Lately it occurs to me,
what a long, strange trip it's been". -Hunter
Same could be applied to several negative posters on this forum. (Not you)
I honestly think the review was a decent one, however;
1.) She tried creating a character and the server went down. So that's not really a bug just unforunate.
2.) She over-exaggerates with the floating terrain, it can only be in a small part of the world because I haven't seen it yet (Apart from when our houses were first built)
3.) The majority of terrain bugs such as jumping over keep steps was fixed a weeks before the review was posted
4.) Shes correct in saying PvE can is horrendous for an MMO
5.) Skillpoint system is opinion based but a review is an opinion so I guess it stands.
6.) Invis mobs were fixed a couple of weeks back
7.) Agreed, no book descriptions is poor and creates a bad new player experience
8.) Exploiters in PvP are a problem, screendraggers especially.
3.)
How does your reply answer the question or address the point I posed to Realbigdeal?
The guy writes walls of text giving opinions based solely upon what he reads on message boards. It's not like that is breaking any sort of rule but would think ethically may be a good idea to explain that. I doubt the person responding to him knows this.
thorppes - You're a die-hard MO fan which is great. I've played the game and that review was spot on which it appears an overwhelming number of people who have also played the game agree with. I think one can count on two hands the MO die-hard fans that continue to debate the review. At the end of the day pretty much every one agrees the coding of the game is a mess, there is a great deal lacking in content and those that do hang on are doing so on "the promise of a brighter future". All that is terrific but please be careful not to mislead any one in to buying the game only to find it is as broken and riddled with bugs and issues that die-hard fans like yourself spend more time debating than owning up to.
Cheers -CC
"Lately it occurs to me,
what a long, strange trip it's been". -Hunter
I said the review was a good one didn't I? I also pointed out how she was exactly correct with the bad PvE. The other points are completely valid. Discuss the points I've made instead of throwing a personal attack at me and dismissing them automatically.
"1.) She tried creating a character and the server went down. So that's not really a bug just unforunate."
So what if it isn't a "bug"? The server crashing at random times isn't something you can just throw by the wayside.
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Stay away
To be honnest, from a mainstream player mouth like the reviewer, its a good idea to ask other viewers to stay away. This does not apply to MO only. MO is not ready to get exposed to the mass yet. What i hate is, the way she say Stay away, in her mind, she think that MO will never improve. From her review, she think that the game will remain that way for ever with 0 new patch to come. If it was the case, you wouldt see me here anymore waiting to see MO being good enough so i can buy it.
It also had always been said that mainstream reviwers cant review sandbox mmorpg. Check DF review made by Eurogamer, 2/10 only. Then, they rereview it and give it a 4/10, but they didnt even did much. All they did was restraining from comparing DF from other games in the second review lol.
The MO review was on point, i cant lie. But this is not suppose to be an other Angry Video Game Nerd review. Thats what im trying to get at too. The review is not balanced too. What i mean is, she start from talking bad. about bad stuff about the game, to then laugh at it, to then talking about bad stuff again at the end.
This is where i come and say, if she tried to put in some positif opinion too, she would had talk about how great the community is. How immersive the world feel. How cool it is to explore the world of Agon while mounted and grouped. The feeling when you pvp, specially with the fear + Andrenaline involved.
Truth is she did not played enough to put up some positif stuff for one reason. Mortal online at newb stage sux, but it only take a week of none stop playing to get out of newb stat to then fully experience MO. She had open mind to diss MO from the start im telling you.
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"Mortal online at newb stage sux, but it only take a week of none stop playing to get out of newb stat to then fully experience MO"
"It only takes a week of non stop playing to get through the crappy part of the game".
First of all, a week of non stop playing is a lot of playing. I know you may get out of school at 3pm and have the rest of the day to play but most people don't.
Secondly, is it just me or do I expect too much from my games when I say I want an enjoyable experience the first time I play? I don't want to have to wade through the crappy parts of a game in order to get to the good parts, and frankly I shouldn't have too.