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Art Style and Sexuality. Yeah, I'm Going There...
Jimmy_Scythe
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So there seems to be a large number of people that are so allergic to anime/manga style art that they won't even try a game that has that same art style. Some of these people won't even play a game that is too “cartoony” in its art style. If it isn't brownish-gray with big tuff manly men drawn like refrigerators with cantaloupes nailed on for heads, they won't play it.
What I find odd about this attitude is that it only goes one way. I've never heard anyone say that they would refuse to play a game because the only colors it features are dogshit brown and muzzle flash. I've never heard anyone say “I'm not going to play a game where the protagonists breasts are that small!!!” We all want to talk about how games have broken out of the “teenage boys in their basement” demographic, but the forums seem to be jam packed with people who are too macho insecure to be anything other than.
So just how much of this hatred toward charm and color in artwork is really just insecurity about how others will perceive your sexuality? You know what I'm talking about? How many of these comments are really about the need to be seen as straight and manly? Seriously.
Most of the games I grew up with had horrible graphics. I still played them, because they were good games. I can put up with sub-par artwork or art styles that I don't like if the game underneath is solid. So what gives with the cartoon haters? Why rob yourself if you aren't worried about how others look at you?
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You’re looking into it too much; it could just be a preference.
Like I am not fussy on with realistic, anime, cartoony style graphics but I refuse to play a chibi style game...it is just a matter of preference nothing else
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That post was filled with losts of odd associations, generalizations and assumptions. If you don't like how something looks, the rest of the 'benefits' of it often don't matter. An El Camino is probably a great car, but you'd really have to go some to get me to even consider buying one. Computer speakers, too. If Bose came out with a sweet pair of computer speakers that were dirt cheap, total Bose quality and looked like ass I would probably pass them up.
Sometimes it's not some deep rooted psychological issue. Some things just don't look appealling to everyone and that can affect their interest (or lack of interest( in it.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
That you somehow equated dislike of a specific kind of graphic to sexuality makes me think you're not nearly as comfortable with yours as you pretend.
Taste and style are relative to the person and doesn't necessarily mean someone is having macho issues. Just like you don't mind cartoony graphics, there are others who do. Always expect in life, that if you feel one way, somewhere out there exists a person who feels differently. That's just how it works. Dark and light, yin and yang, up and down, etc., there is an opposite to everything that exists, especially opinions.
Though, for the record, I'm gay. Most don't know that unless I tell them, so I guess that fits me into the "Will" category, though I find nothing wrong with being a "Jack." I guess I'm just more accepting.
edit - Will and Grace reference, for those who are out of the loop.
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Hi, I'm someone who doesn't Anime at all. I am a straight male.
Thank you for attempting to psychoanalyze me, but you didn't do too well. I do not like anime, I like very, very few games with anime graphics. Not because I need manly men and macho characters in my game, I just don't like anime or magna. I find it pretty annoying. I'm fine with cartoons, and cartoony graphics. Just not anime. I don't like my characters having pointy chins, I don't like them having 'D's for mouthes nor do I like them having big upside-down 'U's for eyes. I just find it bothersome.
I thank you for the long post about people not liking anime, but I think it's completely wrong.
You kind of didn't think of the fact some people just don't like anime, they find the style somewhat stupid. Like me. Not EVERYTHING has to go three miles deep into the mind and reveal things about sexuality and insecurities. Sometimes, you just don't like something.
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What bugs be about the gaming community is they will flame a Chinese made game for there over-the-top lighting effects but turn around and totally ignore it when it's done by a western company.....as far as art style in general, for me I really don't care as long as it's well done in western or asian style.
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It has never even occured to me to associate a particular type of video game artwork with sexuality of any kind.
I like the way some graphic styles look, and I don't like how some other graphic styles look. That doesn't mean that there is a stereotyped phobia behind the reasons I don't like certain graphic styles. I don't like those styles for the same reason I don't like pineapples...I just don't. "Taste" in this sense and context is liking or disliking something simply because you like it or dislike it. No further association is responsible.
Your entire post is based on the opposite, which is a big assumption, and an incorrect one.
HOW DARE YOU.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
The part that caught my attention
"If it isn't brownish-gray with big tuff manly men drawn like refrigerators with cantaloupes nailed on for heads, they won't play it."
People complained about Fallen Earth (me included) being dull grey and browns.
Yatzhee complains about the need for "modern" games insisting on being drab and boring.
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Art style is something you have to deal with. Sure the game may or may not be fun, it may have interesting mechanics, etc. But if you have to stare at a character that looks like a 5 year old drawn by a 10 year old..it can get on your nerves.
Similarly if you have to stare at a bunch of naked men with their dongles swinging in the wind, it can also get on your nerves.
Alternatively, straight and gay alike can enjoy a nice pair of breasts.
Drop the next-gen marketing and people will argue if the game itself has merit.
I am one of those that cannot stand manga/anime. For a game to work for me it has to have more of a real feel. And even with "refrigerator men´" they feel more real then Schoolgirl, bambi eyes every time.
All statements I make is from my point of view unless stated otherwise.
Dev's should be allowed the freedom to express their art no matter what style it is, It's up to the consumer to deside which to play.
The day we start forcing which direction devs can produce is the day we all become mindless trolls playing the same dam thing.
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I am not exactly sure what you are getting at here, as I am a woman and I really hate all of the things you describe. I will not play Anime big headed " i'm going to cry eyes' video games. Hell I will not even read your post if you place a giant sig with that crap on it as your sig. ( yes I have actually blocked users with those sigs)
I could care less what anyone thinks of my avatars, I make them however I please, in fact, I usually try to make them kind of annoying in the first place, just because I can. As I usually refer to it as " I only play a dumb blonde online".
Since I am not much for being very friendly in game, considering my main goal in games is PVP and I honestly just like to kill everyone I see in game. That is relaxing to me, and I am extremely irritated by people who walk around saying things like" hark thee fair maiden" . Irritated to the point that I envision terrible sadistic tortures involving ceiling fans, toothpicks, and an epilady ... but anyways..
I would rather play a faceless armless blob than look at annoying graphix. I would take a dot on the screen over an Anime game, just because I do not want to look at it, and for no other reason. I mean I think that the original Link in Zelda looks better than the one that exists today.. but that is just me.
I do not think it has anything to do with how others perceive your sexuality, I think it is completely non sexual related. As most already know I could care less what anyone thinks about my lifestyle or sexuality. LOL
No real interest in this thread tbh, but I couldn't wait to see who'd drop everyone's favourite pop psychology cliche first.
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I just don't get it. hence the OP.
Art style has never stopped me from trying a game or liking a game. I can't say that I was all that thrilled with the artwork in Killer 7, but I still played it and found some interesting gameplay in it.
Ditto for Animal Crossing.....
Unless the artwork is so offensive that I can't bear to look at it -- think about the graphics equivalent of the movie Cannibal Holocaust -- I'll play it. If the game is solid then I will play it.
Most of the folks that go off about "cartoony" graphics just give me the impression that they would pass on a game titled "Barbie's Topless Trampoline Adventure" just because it has Barbie in the title and a pink box. If you don't get why that would be a bad thing, read the title again....
Then make your argument without inventing some sort of reason that simply isn't true.
Your argument is that people won't play certain games because they don't like the graphics. Try to persuade them otherwise. But blaming some kind of non existent phobia undermines the credibility and persuasiveness of your point.
There's a big difference between complaining about an overly used art style and refusing to play a game because of said art style.
The former is just expressing boredom. The latter is expressing some kind of personal issue.
How about this then:
Gaming culture is still a big sausage fest and endless posts denouncing a particular game as being too "cartoony" is indicative of some mass insecurity. An insecurity that, I'd wager, is the direct result of gaming being a boys club.
Actually I like both the cannibal holocaust and the killer 7 graphix better than anime.. I think it is a matter of preference.
I play games to enjoy them, and if I am irritated just looking at it, I can;t enjoy it. Anime irritates me, I think Naruto is an emo cry baby. Is that bad? I have an overwhelming feeling of irritation when seeing that style. But I have the same feeling with the color yellow.. LOL
I call BS. I hate that style and I do not have a sausage. ROFL!
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Most people also don't like to eat rust, stare at walls, or read only the same book over and over again.
These mass preferences are most likely due to some sort of mass prejudice, yes?
Of course not.
What about Sgt Frog
You can’t hate that lovable alien frog .
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Don't care about the side physchobabble stuff.
I love the grahpics in Fallen Earth, I seem to be in the minority there
As to the main topic I like both realism and cartoony and cute and gritty and most anything. I can't think of a game that I didn't play based on graphics alone. There are definitely graphics out there I am not very fond of but if the gameplay is good enough it is likely to overcome anything graphics-wise.
Your froggy is cute. It reminds me of this froggy i used to sleep with:
But I would not want to play a game full of them. LOL
Well it depends for me. I don't mind animated films and such, nor do I overly mind a decent anime (By that I mean something along the lines of Spirited Away or Howl's Moving Castle). I've never had much of any interest in playing in a cartoony or anime style world, though I would if the gameplay was good enough and the graphics weren't to out there. .
Now I will completely write it off if it's basically the equivalent of a Japanese Stripperella. The big boobs and every chick being some weak and sobbing thing just doesn't do it for me. If it makes you feel better I don't assume this is just anime/manga, I treat the US animated films that do this the same way.
Anime/Manga is the same as its US counter parts. For the most part it's aimed at teenage boys, less often you get the more adult oriented ones (No I don't mean ones with sex or nudity, that again is made more for teens) and family ones.
The female and males are all weak sobbing things in Anime. HAHAHAH!
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