Though, in relating this all to the original thread - the change in talent trees concerns me because I might actually be able to accumulate some gold in the game if I go back this week as planned. I spent fortunes on constantly respec'ing my guys to try out the various builds and how I wanted to play. With that no longer being an option...could be interesting.
The same to you: I recommend you play the game before posting BS in forums next time.
And by play I actually mean play not try and fiddle around.
Where have I posted BS? And not played the game? I have not played WoW since June...of this year. I have played the game for around 40 months not including the time in betas...from the initial beta for Vanilla.
You need to step, son...
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
Hey, speaking of WG... did they ever do anything about the ability for opposing sides to take out the cannons at the start?
The canons only appear at the start of the Siege battle. First he castle is restored in its orginal state. Doors are closed. and only then the canons appear.
Changes were made in patch 3.3.
Then the answer would be no. 3.3 took place last year. The issue with the cannons was still an issue in June. Thanks for answering though.
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
Where have I posted BS? And not played the game? I have not played WoW since June...of this year. I have played the game for around 40 months not including the time in betas...from the initial beta for Vanilla.
You need to step, son...
You comment about a ,patch while not playing it.
As a holy paladin I have double the useful spells as I had before patch 4.01. Classes play differently. I can heal now with spells that don't even consume mana. I have group heals etc...
Hey, speaking of WG... did they ever do anything about the ability for opposing sides to take out the cannons at the start?
The canons only appear at the start of the Siege battle. First he castle is restored in its orginal state. Doors are closed. and only then the canons appear.
Changes were made in patch 3.3.
Then the answer would be no. 3.3 took place last year. The issue with the cannons was still an issue in June. Thanks for answering though.
Wrong: the canons can NOT be attacked before the Siege battle begins.
Because they simply ... are not there. You can't even man them because they appear after the walls and doors are closed . And this happens after the battle already started.
Huh? I am not even fully aware of everything that Cata brings to the table. The last of my RL friends stopped playing months ago.
WOW was my first MMORPG. I started playing a few days after launch, and I left shortly after BGs were introduced. I could see that the direction Blizzard was taking the game was not my cup of tea. I do however, have fond memories of my time in WOW.
I merely follow the games progress (in a mild way) as I'm curious to see how things pan out with the king of the Genre. Maybe you have me confused with another poster?
If you personally do not find the endgame in WoW enjoyable, good for you. There are many players that find endgame enjoyable.
I'm curious, are you able to see one single thing in WoW or Cataclysm that is positive?
Huh? I am not even fully aware of everything that Cata brings to the table. The last of my RL friends stopped playing months ago.
WOW was my first MMORPG. I started playing a few days after launch, and I left shortly after BGs were introduced. I could see that the direction Blizzard was taking the game was not my cup of tea. I do however, have fond memories of my time in WOW.
I merely follow the games progress (in a mild way) as I'm curious to see how things pan out with the king of the Genre. Maybe you have me confused with another poster?
I see : you follow it on these hate boards.
So I guess you are one of those guys stating Wow has no massive world PvP while actually you never set foot in Wintergrasp. etc... Apply the same for all those features.
Good to know.
Hmmm, you sound awfully familiar. Anywho, no I wouldn't classify a PVP zone as massive world PVP. For me, massive world PVP would be just that: you can PVP anywhere in the world.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Huh? I am not even fully aware of everything that Cata brings to the table. The last of my RL friends stopped playing months ago.
WOW was my first MMORPG. I started playing a few days after launch, and I left shortly after BGs were introduced. I could see that the direction Blizzard was taking the game was not my cup of tea. I do however, have fond memories of my time in WOW.
I merely follow the games progress (in a mild way) as I'm curious to see how things pan out with the king of the Genre. Maybe you have me confused with another poster?
Yeah, wrong quote. Sorry.
No worries
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Where have I posted BS? And not played the game? I have not played WoW since June...of this year. I have played the game for around 40 months not including the time in betas...from the initial beta for Vanilla.
You need to step, son...
You comment about a ,patch while not playing it.
As a holy paladin I have double the useful spells as I had before patch 4.01. Classes play differently. I can heal now with spells that don't even consume mana. I have group heals etc...
You should play before commenting.
I comment about a patch based off of previous experience playing the game and the wealth of information available on the patch... I comment about obvious things that do not require anything other than the most rudimentary education...
...as for the Healadin thing, are you actually talking 4.0.1 or are you talking the 85 beta stuff?
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
Now you are angry about it and making personal attacks.
You don't like or respect anything about Cataclysm or WoW in general. Understood. But what they are doing in this expansion is pretty amazing if you would take the time to try and see its strong points.
As a holy paladin I have double the useful spells as I had before patch 4.01. Classes play differently. I can heal now with spells that don't even consume mana. I have group heals etc...
You should play before commenting.
I comment about a patch based off of previous experience playing the game and the wealth of information available on the patch... I comment about obvious things that do not require anything other than the most rudimentary education...
...as for the Healadin thing, are you actually talking 4.0.1 or are you talking the 85 beta stuff?
You base a new patch where all classes got a redesign on a previous experience ? ...
Not too difficult to understand it doesn't work that way.
hell anyone playing for the first 2 days found it ... odd and needed to adapt.
As for the new abilities : just talking patch 4.01. Between 81 and 85 we even get 3 more healing buttons to keybind.
As a holy paladin I have double the useful spells as I had before patch 4.01. Classes play differently. I can heal now with spells that don't even consume mana. I have group heals etc...
You should play before commenting.
I comment about a patch based off of previous experience playing the game and the wealth of information available on the patch... I comment about obvious things that do not require anything other than the most rudimentary education...
...as for the Healadin thing, are you actually talking 4.0.1 or are you talking the 85 beta stuff?
You base a new patch where all classes got a redesign on a previous experience ? ... AND THE WEALTH OF INFORMATION AVAILABLE FOR THE PATCH.
You even quoted it...but you did not read it? It explains your answer to my question about WG and most of your comments so far.
C'mon guys, if you are going to try to at least have the appearance of trying to carry on a discussion, you need to read what the other person is saying. Otherwise you are just jumping to emotional conclusions, getting defensive, and ruining any chance for the conversation to progress in an adult manner.
Not too difficult to understand it doesn't work that way.
hell anyone playing for the first 2 days found it ... odd and needed to adapt.
As for the new abilities : just talking patch 4.01. Between 81 and 85 we even get 3 more healing buttons to keybind.
Anyway, off now to the game, they need me.
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
As a holy paladin I have double the useful spells as I had before patch 4.01. Classes play differently. I can heal now with spells that don't even consume mana. I have group heals etc...
You should play before commenting.
I comment about a patch based off of previous experience playing the game and the wealth of information available on the patch... I comment about obvious things that do not require anything other than the most rudimentary education...
...as for the Healadin thing, are you actually talking 4.0.1 or are you talking the 85 beta stuff?
You base a new patch where all classes got a redesign on a previous experience ? ... AND THE WEALTH OF INFORMATION AVAILABLE FOR THE PATCH.
You even quoted it...but you did not read it? It explains your answer to my question about WG and most of your comments so far.
C'mon guys, if you are going to try to at least have the appearance of trying to carry on a discussion, you need to read what the other person is saying. Otherwise you are just jumping to emotional conclusions, getting defensive, and ruining any chance for the conversation to progress in an adult manner.
Not too difficult to understand it doesn't work that way.
hell anyone playing for the first 2 days found it ... odd and needed to adapt.
As for the new abilities : just talking patch 4.01. Between 81 and 85 we even get 3 more healing buttons to keybind.
Anyway, off now to the game, they need me.
I am not going into a discussion about a patch I play and experience ... with someone who does not know what he talks about because he simply is not in the game.
Since when are games played on forums ?
And no I don't think you can even imagine how it plays if you don't experience it.
It's the same for all these posts on mmorpg.com. Bla Bla Bla a lot but play play play the new class patches first.
Dumbing down obviously. WoW made its fortune by dumbing down already simple game mechanics and advertising their game to people who don't normally play games. Same as the Wii. And they'll continue to do it. There was never anything complex about WoW.
Blizzard is not dumbing down WoW. They are simply removing bad stuff that we MMO gamers don't like and keeping only the good.
We don't like 40 man raids because it is way too hard to find 40 dedicated people. In essence, we are spending more time looking for people then actually playing the game. So they cut it down to 25 man.
We demand the right to see all contents and kill famous lore bosses like Arthas so they made the 10 and 25 man mode raids and heroic difficulties.
We complain that its difficult to find people to do the old world dungeons, so they implemented cross-server dungeons to make it easier.
We don't like having to use spreadsheet to see whether an item is an upgrade so they simplified the stats.
The talent is way too bloated and having unnecessary stats that does the same things only makes the game way too complex so they simplified it. The difficulty of the game should be about hard encounters in dungeons and raids NOT about having to decide which item is an upgrade.
Dumbing down obviously. WoW made its fortune by dumbing down already simple game mechanics and advertising their game to people who don't normally play games. Same as the Wii. And they'll continue to do it. There was never anything complex about WoW.
Blizzard is not dumbing down WoW. They are simply removing bad stuff that we MMO gamers don't like and keeping only the good.
We don't like 40 man raids because it is way too hard to find 40 dedicated people. In essence, we are spending more time looking for people then actually playing the game. So they cut it down to 25 man.
We demand the right to see all contents and kill famous lore bosses like Arthas so they made the 10 and 25 man mode raids and heroic difficulties.
We complain that its difficult to find people to do the old world dungeons, so they implemented cross-server dungeons to make it easier.
We don't like having to use spreadsheet to see whether an item is an upgrade so they simplified the stats.
The talent is way too bloated and having unnecessary stats that does the same things only makes the game way too complex so they simplified it. The difficulty of the game should be about hard encounters in dungeons and raids NOT about having to decide which item is an upgrade.
You do realize that for the most part you made the argument for those that claim Blizzard is dumbing down the game, no?
The same thing - two different views on it. Both sides adamant in their belief they are correct and the other is wrong. No actual room for compromise, nobody will budge.
They are simply matters of people expressing opinions - those that accept others can have opinions and those that feel the need to put the person down for them.
The important aspect of such discussions, though, is just to speak for yourself. "We" is not fitting...
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
Dumbing down obviously. WoW made its fortune by dumbing down already simple game mechanics and advertising their game to people who don't normally play games. Same as the Wii. And they'll continue to do it. There was never anything complex about WoW.
Blizzard is not dumbing down WoW. They are simply removing bad stuff that we MMO gamers don't like and keeping only the good.
We don't like 40 man raids because it is way too hard to find 40 dedicated people. In essence, we are spending more time looking for people then actually playing the game. So they cut it down to 25 man.
We demand the right to see all contents and kill famous lore bosses like Arthas so they made the 10 and 25 man mode raids and heroic difficulties.
We complain that its difficult to find people to do the old world dungeons, so they implemented cross-server dungeons to make it easier.
We don't like having to use spreadsheet to see whether an item is an upgrade so they simplified the stats.
The talent is way too bloated and having unnecessary stats that does the same things only makes the game way too complex so they simplified it. The difficulty of the game should be about hard encounters in dungeons and raids NOT about having to decide which item is an upgrade.
Poes law?
I find it sad that raids have gone from 40 to 25 to 10 mans (yes 25 or 10 mans, same lockout though) Speaks volumes of the population doesnt it? Oh, wait, 12 million, so there must be enough for 40 mans, must be competence then. But, 12 million subs must mean quality game, not lowest common denominator, but still, cant get dedicated people for a 40 man.
Again, I fall back to asking, is this Poes law?
For upgrades, I can see how streamlining stats can help people understand what is best for them, but a visit to Elitis Jerks or a bit of research would lead you to find which stat you should be favouring over another, granted, it can be a PITA to look at a new drop in a raid and have to figure out if its an upgrade for you, or somoene else in the time of the roll. Which is where theorycrafter sites like EJ help you to keep track of upgrade lists through a BiS listing.
For the rest of it, im going to ask again. Poes law?
Hunter here..playing from vanilla times.Last 2 months i left wow ,kinda bored and was waiting the new patch to get a flavour of what lies ahead in next months.After patch came, i login to check the new talents and the so called new glyph system.
Ok. I took a cold shower when i saw the hunter talent trees. Honestly. TBH loads of ppl i know that play wow including myself ,were waiting as time passes wow to evolve ,become more optional,for the player,give him options and ridlles concerning exactly what build he could think of,awarding smart player choises , that try smart combinations, etc etc....
Instead wow becomes even more NARROW . I was hoping over time blizzard to add more talents in each tree so each player will have to make choises on what talents to choose and what talents he wont choose. So not every arms warrior will have exactly the same talents picked when he wants to play arena,as any other arms warrior .
So blizzard instead of making the character progression deeper and actually make player think they did what? They cutted each talent tree and left only almost 31 points for each tree and also u cant choose any talent from the rest 2 talent trees unless u get 31 talents at least. What happened to the player choises?? Differintation??
Perhaps blizard should ask ppl when u login to your hunter for example:
If u want to be beast master press 1
If u want to be Markmanship press 2
If u want to be Survival press 3
I read an article on a pc games magazine where blizzard representative from the developer team justified the fact that they ll put fewer talents by saying: We Noticed that many talents on many trees on various classes were kinda meaningless so we desided to put only nice and intresting things on each tree...
Agreed... there were useless talents that none picked...
So PUT your heads down and think something intresting..And further enlarge the talent trees .
THATS WHY PPL are paying you with their subscryptions every month!!!!!!!
Ah and BTW Mr Bliz Developer..When i checked Markmanship talents tree .. i puked! Most Un-intresting and boring crap talents ever!
Avatar 's depth in development is something critical in any any mmoRPG and only thing that ther new changes u ppl made is make wow even more simplified .So simplified that any serious player 18years old+ laughs.Seems like wow heading towards aiming for customers 12-16 years old only.And THAT is a choise Blizzard will pay if any other serious mmorpg comes on the market. It has nothing to do on how classes perform after the patch.Complains have to do with wiping depth and potential more depth in character development which after all rpg's are all about.
Concerning glyphs only thing bliz didis they seperated glyphs in 3 categories instead of 2 .Didnt noticed any new glyphs apart some glyphs that concern some new skills .And ofc every time a character will go for arena it will be pretty obvious which to pick.. What a surprise..
The new talent trees lead to double the number of usefull spells/abilities I can play.
For example I now have 6 useful healing spells for my Pala instead of 3, I have more combo's, I have more other abilities and I actually have to look at procs now.
And there are 3 more healing spells on my way up to level 85.
Of course you do need to play to experience it, not looking on a website to make up something.
So instead of 6 or 7 important keybinds in pre patch 4.01 I now need to play with more than double that number.
Actually, I think a lot of old healbot 3 button players will have a difficult time to adapt to find enough keys for their mouse... )
Look at the old 1.01 Wow talents and look at the abilites you now have with this new reset of things in 4.01.
The game is in relaunch state with the advantage of having the best talents/abilities kept.
What do you think the next expansion will do to these new basic Cata spells ? Expand of course.
The new talent trees lead to double the number of usefull spells/abilities I can play.
For example I now have 6 useful healing spells for my Pala instead of 3, I have more combo's, I have more other abilities and I actually have to look at procs now.
And there are 3 more healing spells on my way up to level 85.
Of course you do need to play to experience it, not looking on a website to make up something.
So instead of 6 or 7 important keybinds in pre patch 4.01 I now need to play with more than double that number.
Actually, I think a lot of old healbot 3 button players will have a difficult time to adapt to find enough keys for their mouse... )
Look at the old 1.01 Wow talents and look at the abilites you now have with this new reset of things in 4.01.
The game is in relaunch state with the advantage of having the best talents/abilities kept.
What do you think the next expansion will do to these new basic Cata spells ? Expand of course.
Why do you continuously reply to players talking about the classes they play, stating they are wrong while using the class you play (Paladin)...and telling them they need to play the game?
Would this actually not be a case that you should reply with your experience currently playing their class in the game? Not a Paladin?
As in that you need to play their class in the game before trying to comment...?
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
I find it sad that raids have gone from 40 to 25 to 10 mans (yes 25 or 10 mans, same lockout though) Speaks volumes of the population doesnt it? Oh, wait, 12 million, so there must be enough for 40 mans, must be competence then. But, 12 million subs must mean quality game, not lowest common denominator, but still, cant get dedicated people for a 40 man.
Having played since the game released, I find the 10 man raids to be more fun a nd more challenging then the 40 man raids. The 40 man raids just felt so bloated to acocmodiate 40 player
I find it sad that raids have gone from 40 to 25 to 10 mans (yes 25 or 10 mans, same lockout though) Speaks volumes of the population doesnt it? Oh, wait, 12 million, so there must be enough for 40 mans, must be competence then. But, 12 million subs must mean quality game, not lowest common denominator, but still, cant get dedicated people for a 40 man.
Having played since the game released, I find the 10 man raids to be more fun a nd more challenging then the 40 man raids. The 40 man raids just felt so bloated to acocmodiate 40 player
I completely agree. In 10 man raids, you need 10 solid people and each person has to be closely monitored and synchronized. 25's are a bit looser, you can afford to carry a few people and theres not that much responsibility. 40 mans, usually you're just filling spots based off tier gear or class necessity and theyre a mess.
Avatar 's depth in development is something critical in any any mmoRPG and only thing that ther new changes u ppl made is make wow even more simplified .So simplified that any serious player 18years old+ laughs.Seems like wow heading towards aiming for customers 12-16 years old only.And THAT is a choise Blizzard will pay if any other serious mmorpg comes on the market. It has nothing to do on how classes perform after the patch.Complains have to do with wiping depth and potential more depth in character development which after all rpg's are all about.
Concerning glyphs only thing bliz didis they seperated glyphs in 3 categories instead of 2 .Didnt noticed any new glyphs apart some glyphs that concern some new skills .And ofc every time a character will go for arena it will be pretty obvious which to pick.. What a surprise..
Thank again bliz
Since you want to play the age card like every other troll whose come here to cry their eyes out cause they can't handle the new patch, let me inform you that all of these "serious 18+ players" are busy in game testing the cata raid bosses and are on sites like EJ theorycrafting the new specs.
Last i heard guilds like Paragon, Stars, Ensidia, Premonition,etc(all these guilds wont even look at an app below 18) are still around and haven't ragequit neither have i seen any post on EJ going "OMG all options in the game are gone so we have to shut down!"
If these serious 18+ players are laughing at anyone, its the people quit the game and then run to the boards to cry for attention like a loser boyfriend who stalks his ex-girlfriend after she dumped him. Seriously why are you guys still here if you think the game is so dumbed down that only 12 year old will like it?
Why not just quit the game and anything related to it and move on?
You could have just aired out your distaste with the talent changes and left it at that. But you had to go self-righteous and claim that only a teenager could like the game and in doing so you've just become another troll. Hope you find some peace of mind cause that was a lot of rage.
Yes their are Theory crafters on EJ, no they do not have anything to do with the braindead casuals that make up most of the game, actually on your or anyone else server their might be 2 to 3 guilds who have even touched the higher level content. The Serious raider. And raiders for the most part could care less if they have a talent tree at all, they would probably be happy with a pre made character named Suki Lee with panda ears if they could grind RAID Lootz.
However the Serious PVPer got shafted here, the Arena changes, dumbed down trees mean a few classes dominating BGs especially in the lower brackets. Also for the player who is not satisfied picking a pre made tree and going with it, simplified stat systems and whatnot this was a let down.
Elitist Jerks is just another WOW fansite, just a very big one, not some all knowing site , Warlocks Den is another old one, good for talent builds and pvp questions but it has no special place. also wonder how long can EJ openly support this game when it has lost so much clout in recent years, surely at this point they have to realize they no longer get any respect for PVE in WOW.
I love it. All these "grown ups" cry babying about video games being easy enough for kids. Just who do you think they make video games for? Im still waiting for some hardcore to tell my what complex challenging MMO they play. I have yet to see one.
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
Avatar 's depth in development is something critical in any any mmoRPG and only thing that ther new changes u ppl made is make wow even more simplified .So simplified that any serious player 18years old+ laughs.Seems like wow heading towards aiming for customers 12-16 years old only.And THAT is a choise Blizzard will pay if any other serious mmorpg comes on the market. It has nothing to do on how classes perform after the patch.Complains have to do with wiping depth and potential more depth in character development which after all rpg's are all about.
Concerning glyphs only thing bliz didis they seperated glyphs in 3 categories instead of 2 .Didnt noticed any new glyphs apart some glyphs that concern some new skills .And ofc every time a character will go for arena it will be pretty obvious which to pick.. What a surprise..
Thank again bliz
Since you want to play the age card like every other troll whose come here to cry their eyes out cause they can't handle the new patch, let me inform you that all of these "serious 18+ players" are busy in game testing the cata raid bosses and are on sites like EJ theorycrafting the new specs.
Last i heard guilds like Paragon, Stars, Ensidia, Premonition,etc(all these guilds wont even look at an app below 18) are still around and haven't ragequit neither have i seen any post on EJ going "OMG all options in the game are gone so we have to shut down!"
If these serious 18+ players are laughing at anyone, its the people quit the game and then run to the boards to cry for attention like a loser boyfriend who stalks his ex-girlfriend after she dumped him. Seriously why are you guys still here if you think the game is so dumbed down that only 12 year old will like it?
Why not just quit the game and anything related to it and move on?
You could have just aired out your distaste with the talent changes and left it at that. But you had to go self-righteous and claim that only a teenager could like the game and in doing so you've just become another troll. Hope you find some peace of mind cause that was a lot of rage.
Yes their are Theory crafters on EJ, no they do not have anything to do with the braindead casuals that make up most of the game, actually on your or anyone else server their might be 2 to 3 guilds who have even touched the higher level content. The Serious raider. And raiders for the most part could care less if they have a talent tree at all, they would probably be happy with a pre made character named Suki Lee with panda ears if they could grind RAID Lootz.
However the Serious PVPer got shafted here, the Arena changes, dumbed down trees mean a few classes dominating BGs especially in the lower brackets. Also for the player who is not satisfied picking a pre made tree and going with it, simplified stat systems and whatnot this was a let down.
Elitist Jerks is just another WOW fansite, just a very big one, not some all knowing site , Warlocks Den is another old one, good for talent builds and pvp questions but it has no special place. also wonder how long can EJ openly support this game when it has lost so much clout in recent years, surely at this point they have to realize they no longer get any respect for PVE in WOW.
Just the sheer mention that you know who EJ and WD is, is enough proof in my book that you understand that serious gamers (waaay different from old gamers) do play WoW. Now can you come up with 2 guilds from other mmos that are as well known in the general mmo crowd? And I wonder if the ones you name have WoW charters still goin.
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Where have I posted BS? And not played the game? I have not played WoW since June...of this year. I have played the game for around 40 months not including the time in betas...from the initial beta for Vanilla.
You need to step, son...
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
Explorer: 87%, Killer: 67%, Achiever: 27%, Socializer: 20%
Then the answer would be no. 3.3 took place last year. The issue with the cannons was still an issue in June. Thanks for answering though.
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
Explorer: 87%, Killer: 67%, Achiever: 27%, Socializer: 20%
You comment about a ,patch while not playing it.
As a holy paladin I have double the useful spells as I had before patch 4.01. Classes play differently. I can heal now with spells that don't even consume mana. I have group heals etc...
You should play before commenting.
Wrong: the canons can NOT be attacked before the Siege battle begins.
Because they simply ... are not there. You can't even man them because they appear after the walls and doors are closed . And this happens after the battle already started.
Play the game.
Yeah, wrong quote. Sorry.
Hmmm, you sound awfully familiar. Anywho, no I wouldn't classify a PVP zone as massive world PVP. For me, massive world PVP would be just that: you can PVP anywhere in the world.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
No worries
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
I comment about a patch based off of previous experience playing the game and the wealth of information available on the patch... I comment about obvious things that do not require anything other than the most rudimentary education...
...as for the Healadin thing, are you actually talking 4.0.1 or are you talking the 85 beta stuff?
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
Explorer: 87%, Killer: 67%, Achiever: 27%, Socializer: 20%
Now you are angry about it and making personal attacks.
You don't like or respect anything about Cataclysm or WoW in general. Understood. But what they are doing in this expansion is pretty amazing if you would take the time to try and see its strong points.
You base a new patch where all classes got a redesign on a previous experience ? ...
Not too difficult to understand it doesn't work that way.
hell anyone playing for the first 2 days found it ... odd and needed to adapt.
As for the new abilities : just talking patch 4.01. Between 81 and 85 we even get 3 more healing buttons to keybind.
Anyway, off now to the game, they need me.
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
Explorer: 87%, Killer: 67%, Achiever: 27%, Socializer: 20%
I am not going into a discussion about a patch I play and experience ... with someone who does not know what he talks about because he simply is not in the game.
Since when are games played on forums ?
And no I don't think you can even imagine how it plays if you don't experience it.
It's the same for all these posts on mmorpg.com. Bla Bla Bla a lot but play play play the new class patches first.
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Blizzard is not dumbing down WoW. They are simply removing bad stuff that we MMO gamers don't like and keeping only the good.
We don't like 40 man raids because it is way too hard to find 40 dedicated people. In essence, we are spending more time looking for people then actually playing the game. So they cut it down to 25 man.
We demand the right to see all contents and kill famous lore bosses like Arthas so they made the 10 and 25 man mode raids and heroic difficulties.
We complain that its difficult to find people to do the old world dungeons, so they implemented cross-server dungeons to make it easier.
We don't like having to use spreadsheet to see whether an item is an upgrade so they simplified the stats.
The talent is way too bloated and having unnecessary stats that does the same things only makes the game way too complex so they simplified it. The difficulty of the game should be about hard encounters in dungeons and raids NOT about having to decide which item is an upgrade.
You do realize that for the most part you made the argument for those that claim Blizzard is dumbing down the game, no?
The same thing - two different views on it. Both sides adamant in their belief they are correct and the other is wrong. No actual room for compromise, nobody will budge.
They are simply matters of people expressing opinions - those that accept others can have opinions and those that feel the need to put the person down for them.
The important aspect of such discussions, though, is just to speak for yourself. "We" is not fitting...
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
Explorer: 87%, Killer: 67%, Achiever: 27%, Socializer: 20%
Poes law?
I find it sad that raids have gone from 40 to 25 to 10 mans (yes 25 or 10 mans, same lockout though) Speaks volumes of the population doesnt it? Oh, wait, 12 million, so there must be enough for 40 mans, must be competence then. But, 12 million subs must mean quality game, not lowest common denominator, but still, cant get dedicated people for a 40 man.
Again, I fall back to asking, is this Poes law?
For upgrades, I can see how streamlining stats can help people understand what is best for them, but a visit to Elitis Jerks or a bit of research would lead you to find which stat you should be favouring over another, granted, it can be a PITA to look at a new drop in a raid and have to figure out if its an upgrade for you, or somoene else in the time of the roll. Which is where theorycrafter sites like EJ help you to keep track of upgrade lists through a BiS listing.
For the rest of it, im going to ask again. Poes law?
Hunter here..playing from vanilla times.Last 2 months i left wow ,kinda bored and was waiting the new patch to get a flavour of what lies ahead in next months.After patch came, i login to check the new talents and the so called new glyph system.
Ok. I took a cold shower when i saw the hunter talent trees. Honestly. TBH loads of ppl i know that play wow including myself ,were waiting as time passes wow to evolve ,become more optional,for the player,give him options and ridlles concerning exactly what build he could think of,awarding smart player choises , that try smart combinations, etc etc....
Instead wow becomes even more NARROW . I was hoping over time blizzard to add more talents in each tree so each player will have to make choises on what talents to choose and what talents he wont choose. So not every arms warrior will have exactly the same talents picked when he wants to play arena,as any other arms warrior .
So blizzard instead of making the character progression deeper and actually make player think they did what? They cutted each talent tree and left only almost 31 points for each tree and also u cant choose any talent from the rest 2 talent trees unless u get 31 talents at least. What happened to the player choises?? Differintation??
Perhaps blizard should ask ppl when u login to your hunter for example:
If u want to be beast master press 1
If u want to be Markmanship press 2
If u want to be Survival press 3
I read an article on a pc games magazine where blizzard representative from the developer team justified the fact that they ll put fewer talents by saying: We Noticed that many talents on many trees on various classes were kinda meaningless so we desided to put only nice and intresting things on each tree...
Agreed... there were useless talents that none picked...
So PUT your heads down and think something intresting..And further enlarge the talent trees .
THATS WHY PPL are paying you with their subscryptions every month!!!!!!!
Ah and BTW Mr Bliz Developer..When i checked Markmanship talents tree .. i puked! Most Un-intresting and boring crap talents ever!
Avatar 's depth in development is something critical in any any mmoRPG and only thing that ther new changes u ppl made is make wow even more simplified .So simplified that any serious player 18years old+ laughs.Seems like wow heading towards aiming for customers 12-16 years old only.And THAT is a choise Blizzard will pay if any other serious mmorpg comes on the market. It has nothing to do on how classes perform after the patch.Complains have to do with wiping depth and potential more depth in character development which after all rpg's are all about.
Concerning glyphs only thing bliz didis they seperated glyphs in 3 categories instead of 2 .Didnt noticed any new glyphs apart some glyphs that concern some new skills .And ofc every time a character will go for arena it will be pretty obvious which to pick.. What a surprise..
Thank again bliz
@previous poster.
The new talent trees lead to double the number of usefull spells/abilities I can play.
For example I now have 6 useful healing spells for my Pala instead of 3, I have more combo's, I have more other abilities and I actually have to look at procs now.
And there are 3 more healing spells on my way up to level 85.
Of course you do need to play to experience it, not looking on a website to make up something.
So instead of 6 or 7 important keybinds in pre patch 4.01 I now need to play with more than double that number.
Actually, I think a lot of old healbot 3 button players will have a difficult time to adapt to find enough keys for their mouse...
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Look at the old 1.01 Wow talents and look at the abilites you now have with this new reset of things in 4.01.
The game is in relaunch state with the advantage of having the best talents/abilities kept.
What do you think the next expansion will do to these new basic Cata spells ? Expand of course.
Why do you continuously reply to players talking about the classes they play, stating they are wrong while using the class you play (Paladin)...and telling them they need to play the game?
Would this actually not be a case that you should reply with your experience currently playing their class in the game? Not a Paladin?
As in that you need to play their class in the game before trying to comment...?
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
Explorer: 87%, Killer: 67%, Achiever: 27%, Socializer: 20%
Having played since the game released, I find the 10 man raids to be more fun a nd more challenging then the 40 man raids. The 40 man raids just felt so bloated to acocmodiate 40 player
I completely agree. In 10 man raids, you need 10 solid people and each person has to be closely monitored and synchronized. 25's are a bit looser, you can afford to carry a few people and theres not that much responsibility. 40 mans, usually you're just filling spots based off tier gear or class necessity and theyre a mess.
not so good, basically choice is removed from the equation and all you're basically choosing is which type of tree you want.
They already did.
And will continue to do so every month until the game closes, or there accounts get banned.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling"
Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
Yes their are Theory crafters on EJ, no they do not have anything to do with the braindead casuals that make up most of the game, actually on your or anyone else server their might be 2 to 3 guilds who have even touched the higher level content. The Serious raider. And raiders for the most part could care less if they have a talent tree at all, they would probably be happy with a pre made character named Suki Lee with panda ears if they could grind RAID Lootz.
However the Serious PVPer got shafted here, the Arena changes, dumbed down trees mean a few classes dominating BGs especially in the lower brackets. Also for the player who is not satisfied picking a pre made tree and going with it, simplified stat systems and whatnot this was a let down.
Elitist Jerks is just another WOW fansite, just a very big one, not some all knowing site , Warlocks Den is another old one, good for talent builds and pvp questions but it has no special place. also wonder how long can EJ openly support this game when it has lost so much clout in recent years, surely at this point they have to realize they no longer get any respect for PVE in WOW.
I love it. All these "grown ups" cry babying about video games being easy enough for kids. Just who do you think they make video games for? Im still waiting for some hardcore to tell my what complex challenging MMO they play. I have yet to see one.
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
Just the sheer mention that you know who EJ and WD is, is enough proof in my book that you understand that serious gamers (waaay different from old gamers) do play WoW. Now can you come up with 2 guilds from other mmos that are as well known in the general mmo crowd? And I wonder if the ones you name have WoW charters still goin.
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