One small thing that I really like in this game that they borrowed from EQ2 is that you can cast though your target to it's target. That is, if you cast a harmful spell while targetting a friendly it will land on your target's target as long as that target is hostile. This is very nice for a healer as you can keep your tank targeted and pop off a few fast dots or dds while healing. Conversely you can target a hostile and heal its target who is obviously the person with the aggro. This is especially nice in rifts when you are typically not grouped with people. I can target the mobs and quickly heal those who currently have aggro.
Little things like that make a big difference in how combat plays out.
I also like how they made the rift/invasion/foothold rewards good enough that people really jump into the fight willingly as they pass by. I noticed that while I was doing quests I would always stop to fight one of the events. Its like having free random quests with great rewards spread all about. Also, even when you are not grouped you get exp for healing as well as contribution towards rift rewards. They do a great job encouraging people to work together on the fly. You really get a sense of these people being on my side and I need to jump in and help. Very social and cooperative.
Mislead people? He's telling the truth. Whomever wrote whatever crap that is in red is the one misleading. Most of it has a negative bias and other parts is just...completely wrong. There's a Boss in the Deepstrike that's so hard that tons of people are crying nerf. Many couldn't complete either version of the second instance. Many random rare spawn mobs have been hunting players and taking them out. I'll say that again...players being hunted. My advice is for people to do their own research and not listen to the haters. People could think you work for the competition also. What's the motivation for you to be on a forum that's for a game you don't like? just saying.
The players aren't being hunted. The invasion mobs just have a higher agrro range than normal mobs and will attack players if they venture too close to the invasion group.
As far as doing research, that is an excellent idea! People should definitely do research and not jump on any bandwagon. I know that there are people who think that this game is the greatest thing since sliced bread and I'm happy for them but it's very easy to get caught up in the hype they generate (like the OP). Then there are people who think that Rift is absolute crap and generate negative hype.
I've done my research and have realized that this game is definitely not for me. The quests are generaric, the world design and the classes are mostly bland. Rifts are cool, for the most part but they feel too generic and follow the same progression. The game play itself, with the exception of Rifts and invasions, is very similar to WoW and other games like it. However, the combat feels less responsive than the combat in WoW.
The game does have some redeeming qualities but not enough for me to purchase it.
Ahem...I wasn't talking about Invasions. I was refering to the Crazy Werewolf Rare Spawn that comes after from a distance and if you're not paying attention, it will kill you before you have a chance to do something.
Are you sure that it came after you specifically or maybe you were in it's patrol path? Sadly, I haven't ran into any rare mobs in Rift but everything I have read about them on the forums doesn't make them any different than WoW's rare mobs. Basically, they follow certain patrol paths and drop better than average loot. Nothing about actively hunting players.
Well he ran across the valley area in Gloamwood, killed me and then ran back into the woods. One of the NPCs when you talk to him, says that a beast lives in the woods and has been dragging people and killing them. I'm guessing that's probably him. It's rare so not everyone could have gotten him. Did you hear about the Burned Out Building that pops up from a Rift?
I didn't experience this, but I'm guessing this is probably accurate too. It's Beta and Alpha is NDA. Stuff is going to come out gradual like this because not everyone is experiencing the same content.
So instead of making all rifts unique, they are mostly generic except for a rare occurrence when something cool happens?
The wolf thing is cool, I would need more information about the actual hunting of players though. From what you described, it sound more like a quest triggered event.
LOL! You just got your mind set on hating this game. That's fine, it's not for you.
Absolutely not. I just don't see the things you have described as being worthy of such hype. Most rifts are absolutely generic and follow a similar progression. Yes, there are some rifts with a twist, like the rift where you have to tap the barrel and that house rift, but most of the game is still absolutely generic and not worth the purchase. That's just my opinion though. That is why I said that doing research, instead of buying into the hype (negative and positive) is important.
The wolf thing is cool, I agree, but I would like some more information about it because it sounds like a quest event. You talked to an NPC and the wolf attacked you.
Contrary to your belief, not everyone is a hater. I just don't think that there is anything special about this game but I can see how it could appeal to others.
no...no... you misunderstand me. The NPC I talked to just said it. He didn't give me a quest. He said it to me on Friday. I ran into the mob on Saturday night.
Talk of Hype and Rifts aside, The wolf thing sounds a lot like an elite mob in WoW. They have large aggro radiuses. What it sounds like what happened is that it aggroed you from the bushes, raped you, then ran back to where it was originally, a la Hogger in Elwynn forest. Scared the crap out of me when that bastard came at me for the first time.
Also, the graphics don't seem much better than WoW's like some people would have us believe. From what I've seen, a lot of it is really similar to WoW, the graphics, UI, and there's even a combo point system for the rogues. Kinda weak to be taking so much from WoW, IMO, even if it is the King of all MMO's.
Also, the graphics don't seem much better than WoW's like some people would have us believe. From what I've seen, a lot of it is really similar to WoW, the graphics, UI, and there's even a combo point system for the rogues. Kinda weak to be taking so much from WoW, IMO, even if it is the King of all MMO's.
Also, the graphics don't seem much better than WoW's like some people would have us believe. From what I've seen, a lot of it is really similar to WoW, the graphics, UI, and there's even a combo point system for the rogues. Kinda weak to be taking so much from WoW, IMO, even if it is the King of all MMO's.
something doesn't smell right here.
**looks at post count***
oh yes.
***walks away***
***shuts the door***
***locks it***
I really have to ask what post count has to do with the validity of anyone's post?
Also, the graphics don't seem much better than WoW's like some people would have us believe. From what I've seen, a lot of it is really similar to WoW, the graphics, UI, and there's even a combo point system for the rogues. Kinda weak to be taking so much from WoW, IMO, even if it is the King of all MMO's.
something doesn't smell right here.
**looks at post count***
oh yes.
***walks away***
***shuts the door***
***locks it***
I really have to ask what post count has to do with the validity of anyone's post?
It just seems as a troll post to me. No judgement on the person if he's being sincere, but I don't understand how he can think the game looks like WoW graphically.
There are many reasons why a tired WoW player may be ready to move on. With that in mind here is a list of what Rift does better than WoW based on my experience in betas 3 & 4:
Graphics - high res, beautiful and not cartoony
AND SO THEY SHOULD BE BETTER THAN A GAME THAT STARTED DEVELOPMENT 9 YEARS AGO.
They LOOK LIKE war.
Dynamic content - read up on rifts, invasions & footholds - you have a living, breathing world. Sometimes the rift invaders will attack your town and sometimes they will battle each other... try to break up the fight and both sets of rift invaders will turn on you and your party - be ready!
Rifts: Despite what some try to claim, Rifts are not random. Not in the sense you are thinking. They all have the same spawn points. This means Rifts will only appear at pre-set spawn points. Eventually you can start seeing where they will spawn before hand, and thus make your rounds. Invasions and NPC scouting parties are really just mobs spawned that run along a preset path. Thus you will know where they are going to go, in addition the map tells you where they will go. Kind of defeats the purpose. During rifts, players rush to "tag" as many mobs as possible in order to get the loot and points for the leader board, thus cheapening the effect of "working together."
Quad Spec on the fly vs WoW Dual Spec on a timer - you can have 4 quickly swappable specs - once you've purchased an extra "role" (spec) you can change in just a few seconds and even while in combat!
Deeper class system - hundreds of combos to choose from - be an expert, hybrid or anything in between - no right or wrong builds!
It is not a real multi-class system. Very few people actually look at it and see what they did. There are really only 4 independent classes in the game. Each class has 8 skill trees (excluding the pvp tree, which isnt really a full on tree). These trees are called souls to help cover up the fact they are just skill trees. So where WoW has 10 classes and 3 trees per class.... Rift does something similar but changes it to 4 classes with 8 trees, though only 3 trees at any given build. In essence they are not much different.
Furthermore, Rift's skill trees are not really deep and or varied. Many skills in one tree will be nearly identical to another tree, just with a different name and perhaps different element attached to it.
In addition to that, 60% of the trees are DPS oriented. Most have dps, but 60% are more "high end" & "constant" dps oriented.
Right now theres no reason to not play a cleric who can dish out massive dps, heal, get a pet, tank and be a caster (both aoe, cc and direct damage). Cleric will be the most played class, playing anything else in a PvP and even PvE environment will be silly unless they make changes.
$10/month? - that's right - founders can commit up to March 15th for the best value in AAA mmo gaming
You get what you pay for and it shows with RIFT.
More & varied ways to level - take on highly polished quests solo or with your friends. Take a break and PVP and get good XP for doing so. Then join a Rift hunting raid and run around defending Telara with sweet planar loot in store for the victors. Or you can easily group up for challenging dungeons!
Highly polished quests lol, don't make me laugh. The quests are some of the most linear generic quests you are ever lightly to see in an MMO.
Better fast travel system - Porticulums, once discovered, allow you to instantly warp back and forth to your desired destination. No more waiting on those slow WoW gryphons!
People like Different types of travel,it's neither here or there and wont be the deciding factor if someone buys the game,pointless argument.
It's instant travel,what more is there to say lol.
Challenging - you can actually die in this game if you're not paying attention to your surroundings. So don't think you can skip along whistling your favorite nursery rhyme and be safe on a road or pathway.
This really made me laugh,it such a silly comment that i though i might be sick over my keyboard. It's easy mode and what he really means is a level 10 mob will have a large agro radius and knock you off your mount even though you are 15 level above it,that's not challenging it's pathetic.
Dungeons lol. Small small dungeons that really are tank and spank. I won't lie Gate Keeper whatever her names is wiped my group the first time we tried to kill her but after that we done the same dungeon 15 times taking no more than 20 mins to do it each time.
It's was quick blue item farming and quick xp to level 27,it's was no challenge whatsoever and that includes the Guardian dungeon which we also done more times than i can count.
Combat - you may be used to spamming the same 1 or 2 keys over and over again in your current mmo. Welcome to rift where you will have access to more useful attacks and abilities than you can fit in your hotbar!
Bull shit, you have many skills that are useless and just sit in your bar doing nothing. You find yourself hitting the same buttons over and over again 2--4 buttons at most.
I played a rogue Riftstalker/Blade Dancer/Saboteur
Builds see for yourself how many are the same in each tree..
Go and play a burglar in lotro and then come back and tell me that rift is not a 3 button bashing game compared to lotro and WOW and vanguard and even AOC.
UI - no need for 3rd party mods. The UI is completely customizable!
It's okay and they get props for that but will that be a factor in buying the game.
No latency/lag issues - hats off to Trion on this one, even when the fps drops in heavy battle I never once experienced that dreaded game freezing lag
Rubbish , there is latency and lag and if you ask me it's actually got worst with each beta.
Feel free to add your own and watch as the Rift preorders pile up!
A third gen MMO you say lol.
Tell me why my character makes no voice sounds at all when i am attacking a mob or being hit by a mob?
Tell why a so called third gen MMO uses your main inventory bag to place quests items in?
Tell me why on ultra this game has the worst view distance you have ever seen in an MMO.
Soul system, while not extremely better i like it so I will say yes
Combat was a slightly more responsive and fun for me then wow.
Quests, were pretty bland. Not bad just meh. Wow just does questing leaps and bounds better.
Different ways to level, yes this is a plus.
Also the rifts made grouping more fun and numerous then WoW.
At this point i am not gonna sub, not gonna sub to wow either. But test the first 20 or so levels in each around the same time. WoW does a better job at immersion and level design. Which is a big thing for me.
Also, the graphics don't seem much better than WoW's like some people would have us believe. From what I've seen, a lot of it is really similar to WoW, the graphics, UI, and there's even a combo point system for the rogues. Kinda weak to be taking so much from WoW, IMO, even if it is the King of all MMO's.
something doesn't smell right here.
**looks at post count***
oh yes.
***walks away***
***shuts the door***
***locks it***
I really have to ask what post count has to do with the validity of anyone's post?
It just seems as a troll post to me. No judgement on the person if he's being sincere, but I don't understand how he can think the game looks like WoW graphically.
I don't care about post counts either really, everyones is entitled to his/her opinion.
But stating the graphics are not much better then wow's is quite frankly bs.
I would suggest people posting their system specs next time they talk about graphics and/or performance.
That way people can decide for themselves why a game looks or performs like crap.
I'll start the new trend:
Game looks beautifull and runs smooth, still could use some optimization but I think shutting down debugging (if its active) after beta will give us some more power.
Q6600 3.2 Ghz oc, 8gig ram, Ati Radeon 5970
AND don't forget your screen rez people (this also has a major impact): 2560x1600
There are many reasons why a tired WoW player may be ready to move on. With that in mind here is a list of what Rift does better than WoW based on my experience in betas 3 & 4:
Graphics - high res, beautiful and not cartoony
AND SO THEY SHOULD BE BETTER THAN A GAME THAT WAS STARTED DEVELOPMENT 9 YEARS AGO.
A third gen MMO you say lol.
Tell me why my character makes no voice sounds all when i am attacking a mob or being hit by a mob?
Tell why a so called third gen MMO uses your main inventory bag to place quests items in?
Tell me why on ultra this game has the worst view distance you have ever seen in an MMO.
Why can't i enter buildings with doors?
No crafting bags?
Nah, ill let you do the pre ordering..
Impressive how negative you can be over a game that is stil in beta. Complaining about how easy it is from your low lvl experience. Its meant to be easy. Why on earth would a lvl 20 instance be tough as hell. to gain a blue item that you trow away a few days later. Let it gradualy increas. Immagine deadmines in WoW beeing so tough that you need voice com and perfect speccing. It would totaly rune new players experience. and for what? so they can toss the reward away soon.
About the quest items in your bags. i do agree. same for artifacts. But again! lucky enough this is a beta ^^ , and is beeing worked on by the devs. The quests arent revolutionary Quest lines. that make it more of a singel player rpg. But stil very enjoyable. With a good sence of humer trown into them. and beautiful story's if you took the time to actualy read what they say.
Adding the rifts to that , and totaly bug free. Makes the pve experience very fun. Never feeling like a grind. Or finding yourself bored. The rifts feel dynamic. But its stil a computer program. So calling something random done by a computer is impossible. But stil great fun.
The class soul system may not ass gigantic as people say. But its stil gives 10 times more freedom in class design compared to most mmo's. Combining and beeing able to adept it to your play stile. And not overdoing it so that class balencment is stil humanly possible to do. any more and who ever was in charge of it would get mentaly ill.
Yes you do get simular skils. But they stil have subtle differences. That at higher lvl wil be totaly opposit. And it also depends what classes you combine. At lvl 20, i ended up with effectlivly 14 skils used when fighting.
Yes it isnt a new Gen mmo. But it feels like the king of the hill of this gens mmo's. Taking everything form other mmo's. and offering Fun gameplay.
There are many reasons why a tired WoW player may be ready to move on. With that in mind here is a list of what Rift does better than WoW based on my experience in betas 3 & 4:
Graphics - high res, beautiful and not cartoony
AND SO THEY SHOULD BE BETTER THAN A GAME THAT WAS STARTED DEVELOPMENT 9 YEARS AGO.
A third gen MMO you say lol.
Tell me why my character makes no voice sounds all when i am attacking a mob or being hit by a mob?
Tell why a so called third gen MMO uses your main inventory bag to place quests items in?
Tell me why on ultra this game has the worst view distance you have ever seen in an MMO.
Why can't i enter buildings with doors?
No crafting bags?
Nah, ill let you do the pre ordering..
Impressive how negative you can be over a game that is stil in beta. Complaining about how easy it is from your low lvl experience. Its meant to be easy. Why on earth would a lvl 20 instance be tough as hell. to gain a blue item that you trow away a few days later. Let it gradualy increas. Immagine deadmines in WoW beeing so tough that you need voice com and perfect speccing. It would totaly rune new players experience. and for what? so they can toss the reward away soon.
About the quest items in your bags. i do agree. same for artifacts. But again! lucky enough this is a beta ^^ , and is beeing worked on by the devs. The quests arent revolutionary Quest lines. that make it more of a singel player rpg. But stil very enjoyable. With a good sence of humer trown into them. and beautiful story's if you took the time to actualy read what they say.
Adding the rifts to that , and totaly bug free. Makes the pve experience very fun. Never feeling like a grind. Or finding yourself bored. The rifts feel dynamic. But its stil a computer program. So calling something random done by a computer is impossible. But stil great fun.
The class soul system may not ass gigantic as people say. But its stil gives 10 times more freedom in class design compared to most mmo's. Combining and beeing able to adept it to your play stile. And not overdoing it so that class balencment is stil humanly possible to do. any more and who ever was in charge of it would get mentaly ill.
Yes you do get simular skils. But they stil have subtle differences. That at higher lvl wil be totaly opposit. And it also depends what classes you combine. At lvl 20, i ended up with effectlivly 14 skils used when fighting.
Yes it isnt a new Gen mmo. But it feels like the king of the hill of this gens mmo's. Taking everything form other mmo's. and offering Fun gameplay.
It's impressive how some people want to see what they want to see.
You have not said anything that actually goes against what i am saying lol.
Your only defence is "it's beta" lol that line really get's old and i am pretty sure i read the same thing in the FFXIV forums, funny isn't it.
Not that line again,perhaps you can actually tell us what RIFT has taken from other MMO and made better. Instead of saying it ,TELL US WHAT THEY HAVE MADE BETTER because up to now no one seems to actually know but they keep spouting the same line.
King of the hill, really! tell that to the 4.7 million plus units sold in one month of CAT,ask them what the king of the hill is.
There are many reasons why a tired WoW player may be ready to move on. With that in mind here is a list of what Rift does better than WoW based on my experience in betas 3 & 4:
Graphics - high res, beautiful and not cartoony
AND SO THEY SHOULD BE BETTER THAN A GAME THAT WAS STARTED DEVELOPMENT 9 YEARS AGO.
A third gen MMO you say lol.
Tell me why my character makes no voice sounds all when i am attacking a mob or being hit by a mob?
Tell why a so called third gen MMO uses your main inventory bag to place quests items in?
Tell me why on ultra this game has the worst view distance you have ever seen in an MMO.
Why can't i enter buildings with doors?
No crafting bags?
Nah, ill let you do the pre ordering..
Impressive how negative you can be over a game that is stil in beta. Complaining about how easy it is from your low lvl experience. Its meant to be easy. Why on earth would a lvl 20 instance be tough as hell. to gain a blue item that you trow away a few days later. Let it gradualy increas. Immagine deadmines in WoW beeing so tough that you need voice com and perfect speccing. It would totaly rune new players experience. and for what? so they can toss the reward away soon.
About the quest items in your bags. i do agree. same for artifacts. But again! lucky enough this is a beta ^^ , and is beeing worked on by the devs. The quests arent revolutionary Quest lines. that make it more of a singel player rpg. But stil very enjoyable. With a good sence of humer trown into them. and beautiful story's if you took the time to actualy read what they say.
Adding the rifts to that , and totaly bug free. Makes the pve experience very fun. Never feeling like a grind. Or finding yourself bored. The rifts feel dynamic. But its stil a computer program. So calling something random done by a computer is impossible. But stil great fun.
The class soul system may not ass gigantic as people say. But its stil gives 10 times more freedom in class design compared to most mmo's. Combining and beeing able to adept it to your play stile. And not overdoing it so that class balencment is stil humanly possible to do. any more and who ever was in charge of it would get mentaly ill.
Yes you do get simular skils. But they stil have subtle differences. That at higher lvl wil be totaly opposit. And it also depends what classes you combine. At lvl 20, i ended up with effectlivly 14 skils used when fighting.
Yes it isnt a new Gen mmo. But it feels like the king of the hill of this gens mmo's. Taking everything form other mmo's. and offering Fun gameplay.
It's impressive how some people want to see what they want to see.
You have not said anything that actually goes against what i am saying lol.
Your only defence is "it's beta" lol that line really get's old and i am pretty sure i read the same thing in the FFXIV forums, funny isn't it.
What's funny is comparing the state of FFXIV with the state of Rift in beta. Hilarious even.
I can understand to some degree what you are saying yes. But this game isnt out yet. And hey if you look deep enough nobody is perfect You just made everything sound so negative when it really isnt that bad at all The game offers great gameplay ^_^
I can understand to some degree what you are saying yes. But this game isnt out yet. And hey if you look deep enough nobody is perfect You just made everything sound so negative when it really isnt that bad at all The game offers great gameplay ^_^
Nope i told the truth.
Instead of accusing me of being negative fight my claims with opposites.
I am all ears and actually want you to show me something different than what i explained about this game.
There are many reasons why a tired WoW player may be ready to move on. With that in mind here is a list of what Rift does better than WoW based on my experience in betas 3 & 4:
Graphics - high res, beautiful and not cartoony
AND SO THEY SHOULD BE BETTER THAN A GAME THAT WAS STARTED DEVELOPMENT 9 YEARS AGO.
A third gen MMO you say lol.
Tell me why my character makes no voice sounds all when i am attacking a mob or being hit by a mob?
Tell why a so called third gen MMO uses your main inventory bag to place quests items in?
Tell me why on ultra this game has the worst view distance you have ever seen in an MMO.
Why can't i enter buildings with doors?
No crafting bags?
Nah, ill let you do the pre ordering..
Impressive how negative you can be over a game that is stil in beta. Complaining about how easy it is from your low lvl experience. Its meant to be easy. Why on earth would a lvl 20 instance be tough as hell. to gain a blue item that you trow away a few days later. Let it gradualy increas. Immagine deadmines in WoW beeing so tough that you need voice com and perfect speccing. It would totaly rune new players experience. and for what? so they can toss the reward away soon.
About the quest items in your bags. i do agree. same for artifacts. But again! lucky enough this is a beta ^^ , and is beeing worked on by the devs. The quests arent revolutionary Quest lines. that make it more of a singel player rpg. But stil very enjoyable. With a good sence of humer trown into them. and beautiful story's if you took the time to actualy read what they say.
Adding the rifts to that , and totaly bug free. Makes the pve experience very fun. Never feeling like a grind. Or finding yourself bored. The rifts feel dynamic. But its stil a computer program. So calling something random done by a computer is impossible. But stil great fun.
The class soul system may not ass gigantic as people say. But its stil gives 10 times more freedom in class design compared to most mmo's. Combining and beeing able to adept it to your play stile. And not overdoing it so that class balencment is stil humanly possible to do. any more and who ever was in charge of it would get mentaly ill.
Yes you do get simular skils. But they stil have subtle differences. That at higher lvl wil be totaly opposit. And it also depends what classes you combine. At lvl 20, i ended up with effectlivly 14 skils used when fighting.
Yes it isnt a new Gen mmo. But it feels like the king of the hill of this gens mmo's. Taking everything form other mmo's. and offering Fun gameplay.
It's impressive how some people want to see what they want to see.
You have not said anything that actually goes against what i am saying lol.
Your only defence is "it's beta" lol that line really get's old and i am pretty sure i read the same thing in the FFXIV forums, funny isn't it.
What's funny is comparing the state of FFXIV with the state of Rift in beta. Hilarious even.
Nope i didn't compare rift to FFXIV. I stated that the same "it's beta" line was used on those forums as well and it's a dead line that has been proven to hold no sway.
What's hilarious is out of all the thing i said about rift your only answer is me talking about FFXIV and the "it's beta" line.
I would of though you would have put up a better defence than that, i am open to debate and really open to understanding why you think i am wrong.
I can understand to some degree what you are saying yes. But this game isnt out yet. And hey if you look deep enough nobody is perfect You just made everything sound so negative when it really isnt that bad at all The game offers great gameplay ^_^
Nope i told the truth.
Instead of accusing me of being negative fight my claims with opposites.
I am all ears and actually want you to show me something different than what i explained about this game.
I already said what i had to say. Nothing more to add. i'm not contradicting you . But things always have 2 faces. i just simply gave the other. This isnt a nex gen mmo. and it doesnt have to be. Inovation hasnt always been the best road to take. Here comes an mmo. That took all the things you like from different mmo's and put them togheter. Crafting a game here that really is worth your time. Seeing as you went up to 27, i can only say. That you felt like it wasnt that bad either because people who dont feel at home usual end there time spend after an hour.
Even if this game is stil in beta. If they released this game 2 months ago. It would have better gameplay. Less bugs and more. then that FF mmo, or warhammer in its current state. Ffs you die from a freaking tiny rock on the road in that game.(warhammer) Its polished beyond beta. Its polished beyond most mmos that are out for a year. and it isnt even released.
But lets just let the game speak for itself and we shal see how things turn out
I can understand to some degree what you are saying yes. But this game isnt out yet. And hey if you look deep enough nobody is perfect You just made everything sound so negative when it really isnt that bad at all The game offers great gameplay ^_^
Nope i told the truth.
Instead of accusing me of being negative fight my claims with opposites.
I am all ears and actually want you to show me something different than what i explained about this game.
I already said what i had to say. Nothing more to add. i'm not contradicting you . But things always have 2 faces. i just simply gave the other. This isnt a nex gen mmo. and it doesnt have to be. Inovation hasnt always been the best road to take. Here comes an mmo. That took all the things you like from different mmo's and put them togheter. Crafting a game here that really is worth your time. Seeing as you went up to 27, i can only say. That you felt like it wasnt that bad either because people who dont feel at home usual end there time spend after an hour.
Ah a bit of reverse psychology lol. I played up to level 27 and all the other betas because i was given two VIP keys(one i still have) so why not test this game and see what it's all about. I like to give devs a fare crack at the whip.
Again you mention all the things from other MMOs, explain what they took and made better because any dev team can take things from other MMO but it does not mean they have done better.
So for the 10th time what things have they made better?
"things always have two faces" okay so what's the other face then?
=Well you say: stupid system. putting a stupid quest item in the bag. Who designed his shit
=i say: Its just a few little quest items put in the bag. It takes up same space but its not game breaking!
We practicly say the same. But how you say it is totaly different
But enough discussion. Lets just let the game speak for itself and run its course ^_^
This thread is about the game, you choose to answer my post not me yours lol. Game breaking, who said it was. The point is that a £50 million so called next gen MMO(devs words remember) forgets a simple thing like quests item hiding or bags. It also forget's to have characters that make fighting sounds when engaging in combat with mobs.
It also has one of the worst view distances in any MMO i have played with setting on ultra.
Let's not forget what the OP is saying,let's not lose track of his comments which i answered.
I guess you can answer you own comment about RIFT taking things from other MMO and making them better,you still have not told us what they have made better.
There are many reasons why a tired WoW player may be ready to move on. With that in mind here is a list of what Rift does better than WoW based on my experience in betas 3 & 4:
Graphics - high res, beautiful and not cartoony
AND SO THEY SHOULD BE BETTER THAN A GAME THAT WAS STARTED DEVELOPMENT 9 YEARS AGO.
A third gen MMO you say lol.
Tell me why my character makes no voice sounds all when i am attacking a mob or being hit by a mob?
Tell why a so called third gen MMO uses your main inventory bag to place quests items in?
Tell me why on ultra this game has the worst view distance you have ever seen in an MMO.
Why can't i enter buildings with doors?
No crafting bags?
Nah, ill let you do the pre ordering..
Impressive how negative you can be over a game that is stil in beta. Complaining about how easy it is from your low lvl experience. Its meant to be easy. Why on earth would a lvl 20 instance be tough as hell. to gain a blue item that you trow away a few days later. Let it gradualy increas. Immagine deadmines in WoW beeing so tough that you need voice com and perfect speccing. It would totaly rune new players experience. and for what? so they can toss the reward away soon.
About the quest items in your bags. i do agree. same for artifacts. But again! lucky enough this is a beta ^^ , and is beeing worked on by the devs. The quests arent revolutionary Quest lines. that make it more of a singel player rpg. But stil very enjoyable. With a good sence of humer trown into them. and beautiful story's if you took the time to actualy read what they say.
Adding the rifts to that , and totaly bug free. Makes the pve experience very fun. Never feeling like a grind. Or finding yourself bored. The rifts feel dynamic. But its stil a computer program. So calling something random done by a computer is impossible. But stil great fun.
The class soul system may not ass gigantic as people say. But its stil gives 10 times more freedom in class design compared to most mmo's. Combining and beeing able to adept it to your play stile. And not overdoing it so that class balencment is stil humanly possible to do. any more and who ever was in charge of it would get mentaly ill.
Yes you do get simular skils. But they stil have subtle differences. That at higher lvl wil be totaly opposit. And it also depends what classes you combine. At lvl 20, i ended up with effectlivly 14 skils used when fighting.
Yes it isnt a new Gen mmo. But it feels like the king of the hill of this gens mmo's. Taking everything form other mmo's. and offering Fun gameplay.
It's impressive how some people want to see what they want to see.
You have not said anything that actually goes against what i am saying lol.
Your only defence is "it's beta" lol that line really get's old and i am pretty sure i read the same thing in the FFXIV forums, funny isn't it.
What's funny is comparing the state of FFXIV with the state of Rift in beta. Hilarious even.
Nope i didn't compare rift to FFXIV. I stated that the same "it's beta" line was used on those forums as well and it's a dead line that has been proven to hold no sway.
What's hilarious is out of all the thing i said about rift your only answer is me talking about FFXIV and the "it's beta" line.
I would of though you would have put up a better defence than that, i am open to debate and really open to understanding why you think i am wrong.
I don't need to put up a defense.
I know what this game means to me and everyone that has read my posts knows it to.
You have your opinion, it seems a tad exagerated on the negative side, and I surely don't agree with it, but it's your opinion nonetheless. I will let the peole decide for themselves how valid it is.
In regards to the FFXIV remark ... you sure did your best to give the impression it was about the state of both games at beta, so that's why I chimed in because we all know both games have a completely opposite level of quality at said development phase.
There are many reasons why a tired WoW player may be ready to move on. With that in mind here is a list of what Rift does better than WoW based on my experience in betas 3 & 4:
Graphics - high res, beautiful and not cartoony
AND SO THEY SHOULD BE BETTER THAN A GAME THAT WAS STARTED DEVELOPMENT 9 YEARS AGO.
A third gen MMO you say lol.
Tell me why my character makes no voice sounds all when i am attacking a mob or being hit by a mob?
Tell why a so called third gen MMO uses your main inventory bag to place quests items in?
Tell me why on ultra this game has the worst view distance you have ever seen in an MMO.
Why can't i enter buildings with doors?
No crafting bags?
Nah, ill let you do the pre ordering..
Impressive how negative you can be over a game that is stil in beta. Complaining about how easy it is from your low lvl experience. Its meant to be easy. Why on earth would a lvl 20 instance be tough as hell. to gain a blue item that you trow away a few days later. Let it gradualy increas. Immagine deadmines in WoW beeing so tough that you need voice com and perfect speccing. It would totaly rune new players experience. and for what? so they can toss the reward away soon.
About the quest items in your bags. i do agree. same for artifacts. But again! lucky enough this is a beta ^^ , and is beeing worked on by the devs. The quests arent revolutionary Quest lines. that make it more of a singel player rpg. But stil very enjoyable. With a good sence of humer trown into them. and beautiful story's if you took the time to actualy read what they say.
Adding the rifts to that , and totaly bug free. Makes the pve experience very fun. Never feeling like a grind. Or finding yourself bored. The rifts feel dynamic. But its stil a computer program. So calling something random done by a computer is impossible. But stil great fun.
The class soul system may not ass gigantic as people say. But its stil gives 10 times more freedom in class design compared to most mmo's. Combining and beeing able to adept it to your play stile. And not overdoing it so that class balencment is stil humanly possible to do. any more and who ever was in charge of it would get mentaly ill.
Yes you do get simular skils. But they stil have subtle differences. That at higher lvl wil be totaly opposit. And it also depends what classes you combine. At lvl 20, i ended up with effectlivly 14 skils used when fighting.
Yes it isnt a new Gen mmo. But it feels like the king of the hill of this gens mmo's. Taking everything form other mmo's. and offering Fun gameplay.
It's impressive how some people want to see what they want to see.
You have not said anything that actually goes against what i am saying lol.
Your only defence is "it's beta" lol that line really get's old and i am pretty sure i read the same thing in the FFXIV forums, funny isn't it.
What's funny is comparing the state of FFXIV with the state of Rift in beta. Hilarious even.
Nope i didn't compare rift to FFXIV. I stated that the same "it's beta" line was used on those forums as well and it's a dead line that has been proven to hold no sway.
What's hilarious is out of all the thing i said about rift your only answer is me talking about FFXIV and the "it's beta" line.
I would of though you would have put up a better defence than that, i am open to debate and really open to understanding why you think i am wrong.
I don't need to put up a defense.
I know what this game means to me and everyone that has read my posts knows it to.
You have your opinion, it seems a tad exagerated on the negative side, and I surely don't agree with it, but it's your opinion nonetheless. I will let the peole decide for themselves how valid it is.
In regards to the FFXIV remark ... you sure did your best to give the impression it was about the state of both games at beta, so that's why I chimed in because we all know both games have a completely opposite level of quality at said development phase.
Hope this clarifies it for you.
Great, the game means a lot to you,that's fine but what was the point in answering my post then,you could of save yourself the time and effort posting to me lol.
Let's be honest, you did like what i wrote about rift and you have no answer to it other than to dwell on my "it's beta" comment.
You really don't have to answer my post or read my views on the game even though this thread is about peoples views which if negative you seem to not be able to like.
Best if we ignore each other that way none of us get banned.
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Another silly comparison.
Dont try to compare rift with the behemoth of mmos.
Wow is the world leader of mmos and it will always be untill blizzard decides not to do so.
Rift will be an epic fail and it will end up just like warhammer or even worse.
Remember my post and come back 2 months after rift is released.
Flame bait. ^^
You may be right, it may fail, but two months after launch, this post will still qualify you as a troll. Have a nice day.
One small thing that I really like in this game that they borrowed from EQ2 is that you can cast though your target to it's target. That is, if you cast a harmful spell while targetting a friendly it will land on your target's target as long as that target is hostile. This is very nice for a healer as you can keep your tank targeted and pop off a few fast dots or dds while healing. Conversely you can target a hostile and heal its target who is obviously the person with the aggro. This is especially nice in rifts when you are typically not grouped with people. I can target the mobs and quickly heal those who currently have aggro.
Little things like that make a big difference in how combat plays out.
I also like how they made the rift/invasion/foothold rewards good enough that people really jump into the fight willingly as they pass by. I noticed that while I was doing quests I would always stop to fight one of the events. Its like having free random quests with great rewards spread all about. Also, even when you are not grouped you get exp for healing as well as contribution towards rift rewards. They do a great job encouraging people to work together on the fly. You really get a sense of these people being on my side and I need to jump in and help. Very social and cooperative.
All die, so die well.
Also, the graphics don't seem much better than WoW's like some people would have us believe. From what I've seen, a lot of it is really similar to WoW, the graphics, UI, and there's even a combo point system for the rogues. Kinda weak to be taking so much from WoW, IMO, even if it is the King of all MMO's.
something doesn't smell right here.
**looks at post count***
oh yes.
***walks away***
***shuts the door***
***locks it***
I really have to ask what post count has to do with the validity of anyone's post?
It just seems as a troll post to me. No judgement on the person if he's being sincere, but I don't understand how he can think the game looks like WoW graphically.
http://steamcommunity.com/id/Cloudsol/
Graphics and art design I agree with.
Soul system, while not extremely better i like it so I will say yes
Combat was a slightly more responsive and fun for me then wow.
Quests, were pretty bland. Not bad just meh. Wow just does questing leaps and bounds better.
Different ways to level, yes this is a plus.
Also the rifts made grouping more fun and numerous then WoW.
At this point i am not gonna sub, not gonna sub to wow either. But test the first 20 or so levels in each around the same time. WoW does a better job at immersion and level design. Which is a big thing for me.
I don't care about post counts either really, everyones is entitled to his/her opinion.
But stating the graphics are not much better then wow's is quite frankly bs.
I would suggest people posting their system specs next time they talk about graphics and/or performance.
That way people can decide for themselves why a game looks or performs like crap.
I'll start the new trend:
Game looks beautifull and runs smooth, still could use some optimization but I think shutting down debugging (if its active) after beta will give us some more power.
Q6600 3.2 Ghz oc, 8gig ram, Ati Radeon 5970
AND don't forget your screen rez people (this also has a major impact): 2560x1600
Peace.
Impressive how negative you can be over a game that is stil in beta. Complaining about how easy it is from your low lvl experience. Its meant to be easy. Why on earth would a lvl 20 instance be tough as hell. to gain a blue item that you trow away a few days later. Let it gradualy increas. Immagine deadmines in WoW beeing so tough that you need voice com and perfect speccing. It would totaly rune new players experience. and for what? so they can toss the reward away soon.
About the quest items in your bags. i do agree. same for artifacts. But again! lucky enough this is a beta ^^ , and is beeing worked on by the devs. The quests arent revolutionary Quest lines. that make it more of a singel player rpg. But stil very enjoyable. With a good sence of humer trown into them. and beautiful story's if you took the time to actualy read what they say.
Adding the rifts to that , and totaly bug free. Makes the pve experience very fun. Never feeling like a grind. Or finding yourself bored. The rifts feel dynamic. But its stil a computer program. So calling something random done by a computer is impossible. But stil great fun.
The class soul system may not ass gigantic as people say. But its stil gives 10 times more freedom in class design compared to most mmo's. Combining and beeing able to adept it to your play stile. And not overdoing it so that class balencment is stil humanly possible to do. any more and who ever was in charge of it would get mentaly ill.
Yes you do get simular skils. But they stil have subtle differences. That at higher lvl wil be totaly opposit. And it also depends what classes you combine. At lvl 20, i ended up with effectlivly 14 skils used when fighting.
Yes it isnt a new Gen mmo. But it feels like the king of the hill of this gens mmo's. Taking everything form other mmo's. and offering Fun gameplay.
It's impressive how some people want to see what they want to see.
You have not said anything that actually goes against what i am saying lol.
Your only defence is "it's beta" lol that line really get's old and i am pretty sure i read the same thing in the FFXIV forums, funny isn't it.
Not that line again,perhaps you can actually tell us what RIFT has taken from other MMO and made better. Instead of saying it ,TELL US WHAT THEY HAVE MADE BETTER because up to now no one seems to actually know but they keep spouting the same line.
King of the hill, really! tell that to the 4.7 million plus units sold in one month of CAT,ask them what the king of the hill is.
What's funny is comparing the state of FFXIV with the state of Rift in beta. Hilarious even.
I can understand to some degree what you are saying yes. But this game isnt out yet. And hey if you look deep enough nobody is perfect
You just made everything sound so negative when it really isnt that bad at all 
The game offers great gameplay ^_^
Nope i told the truth.
Instead of accusing me of being negative fight my claims with opposites.
I am all ears and actually want you to show me something different than what i explained about this game.
Nope i didn't compare rift to FFXIV. I stated that the same "it's beta" line was used on those forums as well and it's a dead line that has been proven to hold no sway.
What's hilarious is out of all the thing i said about rift your only answer is me talking about FFXIV and the "it's beta" line.
I would of though you would have put up a better defence than that, i am open to debate and really open to understanding why you think i am wrong.
I already said what i had to say. Nothing more to add. i'm not contradicting you
. But things always have 2 faces. i just simply gave the other. This isnt a nex gen mmo. and it doesnt have to be. Inovation hasnt always been the best road to take. Here comes an mmo. That took all the things you like from different mmo's and put them togheter. Crafting a game here that really is worth your time. 
Seeing as you went up to 27, i can only say. That you felt like it wasnt that bad either 
because people who dont feel at home usual end there time spend after an hour.
Even if this game is stil in beta. If they released this game 2 months ago. It would have better gameplay. Less bugs and more. then that FF mmo, or warhammer in its current state. Ffs you die from a freaking tiny rock on the road in that game.(warhammer) Its polished beyond beta. Its polished beyond most mmos that are out for a year. and it isnt even released.
But lets just let the game speak for itself and we shal see how things turn out
Ah a bit of reverse psychology lol. I played up to level 27 and all the other betas because i was given two VIP keys(one i still have) so why not test this game and see what it's all about. I like to give devs a fare crack at the whip.
Again you mention all the things from other MMOs, explain what they took and made better because any dev team can take things from other MMO but it does not mean they have done better.
So for the 10th time what things have they made better?
"things always have two faces" okay so what's the other face then?
2 faces?
=Well you say: stupid system. putting a stupid quest item in the bag. Who designed his shit
=i say: Its just a few little quest items put in the bag. It takes up same space but its not game breaking!
We practicly say the same. But how you say it is totaly different
But enough discussion. Lets just let the game speak for itself and run its course ^_^
This thread is about the game, you choose to answer my post not me yours lol. Game breaking, who said it was. The point is that a £50 million so called next gen MMO(devs words remember) forgets a simple thing like quests item hiding or bags. It also forget's to have characters that make fighting sounds when engaging in combat with mobs.
It also has one of the worst view distances in any MMO i have played with setting on ultra.
Let's not forget what the OP is saying,let's not lose track of his comments which i answered.
I guess you can answer you own comment about RIFT taking things from other MMO and making them better,you still have not told us what they have made better.
If you can't answer it then why make the comment?
I don't need to put up a defense.
I know what this game means to me and everyone that has read my posts knows it to.
You have your opinion, it seems a tad exagerated on the negative side, and I surely don't agree with it, but it's your opinion nonetheless. I will let the peole decide for themselves how valid it is.
In regards to the FFXIV remark ... you sure did your best to give the impression it was about the state of both games at beta, so that's why I chimed in because we all know both games have a completely opposite level of quality at said development phase.
Hope this clarifies it for you.
Great, the game means a lot to you,that's fine but what was the point in answering my post then,you could of save yourself the time and effort posting to me lol.
Let's be honest, you did like what i wrote about rift and you have no answer to it other than to dwell on my "it's beta" comment.
You really don't have to answer my post or read my views on the game even though this thread is about peoples views which if negative you seem to not be able to like.
Best if we ignore each other that way none of us get banned.