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The problem with this game is it doesn't amaze...
Venekor
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When I see the footage I just think it looks like WoW with a new paint job, the graphics look like they could have been done in 2003. I know why they are going the cartoony art style because it wont age as badly as a realistic look, just everyone is doing it now and it has become stale. When I first saw SWG at E3 2002 (I think) it blew me away and it looked like Star Wars! When I see SWTOR I refuse to see Star Wars and I just think of the shitty Clone Wars or World of Warcraft.
Not only the looks but the Gameplay just plays like what WoW refined and made standard over the years and everyone else has tried to copy. To be honest, I was fed up of that many years ago and become angry at all the clones since. They were talking about story driven gameplay and how you wont be grinding ten rats, yet the gameplay just shows grind kill quests over and over. Even Jeff Gerstmann on GiantBomb said that he wont be playing it because when he was given a demo at E3, it just looked and played like WoW to him and he isn't interested in that type of game anymore.
Then there are just let downs like how space is 2D and on rails. i was hoping for a Battlefront like 3D space PVP or exploration like SWG had where you can seamlessly watch other people out of your ship with other people on the board. Also the character models haven't really changed all that much and they're the ugliest part of the game. The combat looks really slow and akward, Bioware have never made a game with a good combat system, always have massive flaws. I'm afraid with WoW getting combat down so well, if Bioware don't do the same then they will not compete.
I've gotten older now since Star Wars Galaxies was released and I've been disappointed by so many games, MMOs in particular. There hasn't been a good one since WoW launched in 2004 and even that was ruined thanx to the dumbing down of an already easy game. I just wish I could get excited for SWTOR and I really want to try but the more I see, the more I realise it is just going to be like any other MMO but with more Age of Conan slapped on. For me story isn't the good part of an MMO, it just means there's less replay value and you cannot impact the world. The best part of MMOs is when the players create the story and have an impact on the world like what happens in EVE.
I hope I'm wrong, I just don't think I will be.
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Yet another basher. Let's compare the graphics again to some other games.
GW2
TOR
TERA
Seems to me, TOR is holding it's own as these shots of them are from and old build and they are even better now.
Pic's O_o really? you serious bro!
Don't get me started because this is a fight in which TOR has no chance.
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Go for it. I'm tired of hearing how TOR has bad graphics and not as good as other games. Go ahead pull out your pics of whatever. It's all in the eyes of the beholder that matters anyway.
SO you're saying the graphics do look like they're from 2003?
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TOR doesn't impress because people think it will be the second coming, same for GW2 and TERA and *insert any other MMO with huge hype, post closed betas*
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MMO graphics are never top of the line, it just isn't feasible.
Edit: I will mention WOW's pathetic graphics are unforgivable with the amount of money they have.
The hell with pic's, lets do the full monty: http://www.justin.tv/jvalen85/b/282968091
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
I think people are confusing art direction with graphics.
Graphics seem fine, the art direction (subjective I know) is not my cup of tea.
Yea, like i said, TOR has nothing to worry about with the art direction they have taken compared to other games. To me TOR looks better than that comparing it to the latest live coverage with the settings turned down.
Its not the graphics people complain about really, its the art style, they just blame it on the graphics. TERA does look nice.
Heres a good comparison video though of SWTOR graphically and with the art style. Graphically and stylistically the models for SWTOR are still improving, but they will never be remotely close to TERAs style, obviously. Also the color palettes are much different.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OskRij8AYaU
Are you saying that doesn't look cartoony?
/yawn....anything you write will just be contradicted by the dozens of reviews we could post stating from those that actually gots hands on play..seeing is believing (in person)..several of which changed there minds from what they had seen last year. Another tired old broken record forum response.
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I'm still pretty convinced it could be a blast myself. The stories, the many vast worlds of which we saw just a glimpse, the alignment system, world pvp (the details of which have yet to be unfolded), deep crafting and managing companions, exploring with rewards, raiding, group dialogue, pretty unique classes with multiple roles, the ton of voice overs and an all in all huge development effort ...
Sure, it doesn't look like a ground breaking game at a first glance (and especially not when you are mainly looking at a few minutes of random gameplay with tuned down graphics on a crappy video feed). But we've seen glimpses of other things too; screens and clips with amazing landscapes, great animations and effects, extensive character and companion management, player ships you can use as your base of operations and crafting station, etc, etc.
Sure, there are plenty of similarities to things we've all played before but will those determine that the game won't be able to entertain a lot of people for a very long time? I don't think so. It mainly comes down to depth and variety of content and how the games mechanics make sure it is delivered.
Anyway, the proof of the pudding is in the eating and I will get myself a generous helping ^_^
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To me the style looks an aweful lot like the KOTOR games but more detail, which is what it should look like. IF you don't like the artstyle then why complain? You konw its not going to get changed, seems like a waste of time to me.
Sure graphics are nice and all, especially graphics that suits your own tastes, but graphics are at the bottom of the list about things that makes a good game. I've played games that has better graphics than GW2 or TERA and I played them for a few hours if that since they were bad games to my liking.
It's fine discussing graphics but dont call something crap if you just dont like it, as if anyone else cares what you like or as if it matters. I dont call Britney Spears music crap even though I dont listen to her or like her music, my music taste does not make her music crap. At the end of the day even with actualy poor quality graphics the playability is what matters, the mmo genre is the living example of that, most subs with games that has poor quality or old graphics.
It rings my alarm bell when a mmo is about to be released that looks like 90% of the dev time has gone into making it amaze your eye.
exactly, thats what happened with AOC and looked what happened at that release, though I still think that graphics and animations are superior to Age of Conan (except the water ripples lol).
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Not any more cartoony than DCUO.
Not that much more cartoony than GW 2 if we're being honest.
The early art style I saw would have had me saying differently. But the more recent footage I've seen has turned me around on the art style. If they can refine things a bit more and make things a bit more realistic that'd make me happy, but at this point the game looks good enough thatI I'd be happy with it.
So far as i have seen vids and pics i like the style SWTOR goes and there is nothing wrong to me!
Beside one thing, i dont like much the hair. The hair looks like a helmet in hair shape and thats ugly but as i will play a Bounty Hunter and not disable Armor Helmets so its less of a disapointment and not urgent to change.
For the art direction or style i dislike very much WOW, ridicilous overdone mean attitude freak avatars.
Some other games i dont like but its old crap or f2p and doesnt matter anyway.
I like Perfect World, or AoC, Lotro for its Landscape, Ryzom, PotBS...
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You're a sandbox gamer. They generally don't like themepark based gameplay, sometimes to the point of irrational disgust or even hating themepark MMO's. Nothing wrong with that, after all, we all have different tastes and interests and preferences that 'do it for us'.
So I don't think SWTOR will be a game for your kind of MMO gamers, who can only (or mainly) enjoy sandbox type of MMO's, better just to avoid SWTOR completely, it just isn't your kind of MMO, that's my advice.
But if you think that graphics of SWTOR are like they could have been done in 2003, then you're completely out of your mind and biased beyond redemption.
Here's what SWTOR also looks like, its environment graphics can easily compete with the best that's on the MMO scene and as well with upcoming MMO's and be ranked among the best graphics around:
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
The video that's doing the rounds of the palace on Alderaan looks stunning, look at the planet trailers on the official site. The game is beautiful, sure it's stylised but it's been pointed out there's a very good reasons for that.
2011 you need to have a complete package ^^
Gameplay
Slick UI
Smooth animations
Nice graphics
these 4 things needs to be in balance.
i notice SW graphics looks realy realy outdated, call me a basher / hater / nubcake whatever but for a game that pumps millions and millions in production to deliver quality this is realy a big question mark to me.
If they are pumping so much $$$ in voice over from famous actors and shit like that, then they make a hige mistake to the graphic department.
but i think i know why they are doing that, to let people acces this mmo from shit computers like pentium 4 :P
more subs = more $$$
check wow's graphics and it almost looks the same -_-
no way I'd judge the ffx from the demo. rez was way too low.
The art styles are similar thats about where it ends though, WOW has hardly any texture work what so ever. Tor has plenty of that, that's a big difference in and of itself.
As for a game needs cutting edge graphics in 2011, hogwash, they only need acceptable graphics (if even that). As fun is what matters in the end, the things of least importance: not being amazed by watching someone else play a game or the marketing of said game.
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Nonsense. Its character graphics may be only average (although they keep on improving), but its environment graphics are leagues away from WoW even if they're both stylised. See above.
In fact, SWTOR's environment graphics can beat the environment graphics of most other MMO's easily.
In this SWTOR is more like LotrO, where the environment graphics can be phenomenal as well, where as LotrO's character models lag a lot behind in awesomeness.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
LOL. Keep telling yourself that.
Again if you have any doubts check out the comparison video, SWTOR is actually much better than most games on the market.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OskRij8AYaU