Nonsense. Its character graphics may be only average (although they keep on improving), but its environment graphics are leagues away from WoW even if they're both stylised. See above.
In fact, SWTOR's environment graphics can beat the environment graphics of most other MMO's easily.
In this SWTOR is more like LotrO, where the environment graphics can be phenomenal as well, where as LotrO's character models lag a lot behind in awesomeness.
LOL. Keep telling yourself that.
Yeah, and you just keep bashing SWTOR and ignoring the world screenshots around. I think I've seen more screenshots and HD video footage than you, so at least my opinion is grounded firmly on facts and the available info out there.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
The problem with ToR is it has nothing to keep players playing unless you roll alts and try the different classes.
I say this in the nicest way possible and with all honesty.... ToR as is will not hold subscribers past the 2 months mark and the hardcore players that can put in 6-12hrs or more a day playing will blow through what it has to offer and just like with Rift freeze their account.
Played: MCO - EQ/EQ2 - WoW - VG - WAR - AoC - LoTRO - DDO - GW/GW2 - Eve - Rift - FE - TSW - TSO - WS - ESO - AA - BD Playing: Sims 3 & 4, Diablo3 and PoE Waiting on: Lost Ark Who's going to make a Cyberpunk MMO?
The problem with ToR is it has nothing to keep players playing unless you roll alts and try the different classes.
I say this in the nicest way possible and with all honesty.... ToR as is will not hold subscribers past the 2 months mark and the hardcore players that can put in 6-12hrs or more a day playing will blow through what it has to offer and just like with Rift freeze their account.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
The problem with ToR is it has nothing to keep players playing unless you roll alts and try the different classes.
I say this in the nicest way possible and with all honesty.... ToR as is will not hold subscribers past the 2 months mark and the hardcore players that can put in 6-12hrs or more a day playing will blow through what it has to offer and just like with Rift freeze their account.
It has everything that other MMOs have at level cap and more according to the developers and seeing as no-one, including I'm assuming yourself, has played the end game yet you are making a baseless accusation of which you have no facts to back it up.
There will be 3 PvP warzones at launch, there will be at least 1 end game raid at launch, there will be 4 man flashpoints for level capped players at launch along with crafting and space combat. that doesn't sound too shabby a list to launch with to me.
There you go foolks find me A Sith from SW movies or games that look like this... You cant... Everything in this game is made cartoony and WoW like if it werent for lighsabers every1 would think this is WOW.
They are up to par with any MMO to date, but with one difference, they will stand the test of time, stylized gfx will still be on par with games that comeout 2 years from now while photo realistic won't.
Also stylized gfx are more computer friendly so you don't need the latest computer to run the game, this is one of if not the biggest mistake most MMO Dev's. make, they make the game to much of a system hog limiting there player base, thats what happen to EQ2 when it first came out, not everyone that played MMO's in the past could play the new EQ2 at that time, that led to giving WoW the edge and time to gather a larger player base feeding them cash to support and update the game to it's super star statis, EQ2 hurt them selves as they should of been the number 1 MMO of the time due to such a large fan base that wanted to come from EQ1.
Gfx can make or break a MMO and it's not the best gfx that's the deciding factor. If we learned anything from WoW that is the more people that can play the game the more money they can make to support the game to add content, polish & service.
So while people go ahead and play the NEXT GEN GFX MMO remember this, how long before they start to cut resources due lack of funding and how long untill it goes F2P and adds a cash shop to support and develop there next money grab MMO to do it all again....take your money with box sales and false promises.
Stylised graphics tend to last longer and don't age as fast as realistic graphics because if you aim for realism your games going to look outdated in a year or two when the new technology is out and other games are created which are aiming for realism aswell. A stylised graphics style fits MMORPG's perfectly because they are built to last a long time and to be played for years, they are harder to contrast against newer games unless they copy your style.
There you go foolks find me A Sith from SW movies or games that look like this... You cant... Everything in this game is made cartoony and WoW like if it werent for lighsabers every1 would think this is WOW.
Game jusst doesnt't looka nad feel like SW.
You do realize that for every "doesn't look like Starwars enough" post there exists a "looks too much like Starwars while it is supposed to be set in an entirely different period" post, right?
Kinda funny that. Even though everyone can cherry pick a screenshot and stick a fitting, gross generalization for the entire game on it, keep it up, I'd say; the Starwars forum here on mmorpg.com has more threads than all other top 7 anticipated games combined and it is still gaining. Whether its negative or positive, this game sure makes a buzz. ^_^
if you think star wars looks like wow you demonstrate that you have no idea how to distinguish artistic styles.
Quotations Those Who make peaceful resolutions impossible, make violent resolutions inevitable. John F. Kennedy
Life... is the shit that happens while you wait for moments that never come - Lester Freeman
Lie to no one. If there 's somebody close to you, you'll ruin it with a lie. If they're a stranger, who the fuck are they you gotta lie to them? - Willy Nelson
The problem with ToR is it has nothing to keep players playing unless you roll alts and try the different classes.
I say this in the nicest way possible and with all honesty.... ToR as is will not hold subscribers past the 2 months mark and the hardcore players that can put in 6-12hrs or more a day playing will blow through what it has to offer and just like with Rift freeze their account.
The problem with ToR is it has nothing to keep players playing unless you roll alts and try the different classes.
I say this in the nicest way possible and with all honesty.... ToR as is will not hold subscribers past the 2 months mark and the hardcore players that can put in 6-12hrs or more a day playing will blow through what it has to offer and just like with Rift freeze their account.
I am not a fan of the character models either. I don't think they are bad, it's a style issue for me. I just don't care for that style. I do see they have improved because i hated the earlier models and I did think they were poor because of the "block like" facial features.
I am also concerned about the longetivity of the game. I just don't think they have said much about it at this point and I am sure they will address it eventually. I also feel bioware realized their error in saying keep rerolling alts because it was making people quesiton how much content they had. So they really don't say that as much as they use to.
"Because we all know the miracle patch fairy shows up the night before release and sprinkles magic dust on the server to make it allllll better." parrotpholk
The problem with ToR is it has nothing to keep players playing unless you roll alts and try the different classes.
I say this in the nicest way possible and with all honesty.... ToR as is will not hold subscribers past the 2 months mark and the hardcore players that can put in 6-12hrs or more a day playing will blow through what it has to offer and just like with Rift freeze their account.
LOL
Seconded..
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
It simply has to be better than the last 'ok' game I played which was Rift and I'm sure it'll do that simply because it's going to have much more varied content and a bigger world to explore in there than Rift had at launch.
When GW2 is released, it won't have to 'amaze' me either. It just has to be better than SWTOR to get my subscription.
If I wait around for mmos only to be amazed, I'd still just be playing consoles.
I know it looks bto have the best potential of any other MMO in the past six years, my problem is how many times have we said that and got let down? These interviews and previews always hype the game up so much and then the features never come into play when the game is launched. I go by gameplay and miss all the marketing crap and by gameplay alone it just looks like WoW. Sure it might be the best WoW clone out there, I just think I'm fed up of WoW and wanted Bioware to offer something new like I knew they could.... just they didn't.
Bioware will go on about story but from what I've seen it's pretty cheesy and poorly written. Not only that but if it turns out to be Age of Conan Tortage, then it's good for one playthrough but I don't even want to do it again. Where as something like a WoW, Star Wars Galaxies (pre cu), EVE and Everquest all offered the chance to go anywhere and do quests in any order. I just feel like the story stuff will turn out to be really bland and you get sick of it very quickly. I just do not understand why they didn't make SWTOR if that's the case.
Then add space on to that and think how quickly that will become boring, when they coulda so easily have made space a place of exploration like the ground or even 3D space PVP like Battlefront.
It simply has to be better than the last 'ok' game I played which was Rift and I'm sure it'll do that simply because it's going to have much more varied content and a bigger world to explore in there than Rift had at launch.
If I wait around for mmos only to be amazed, I'd still just be playing consoles.
This.
Originally posted by Venekor
I go by gameplay and miss all the marketing crap and by gameplay alone it just looks like WoW. Sure it might be the best WoW clone out there, I just think I'm fed up of WoW and wanted Bioware to offer something new like I knew they could.... just they didn't.
Bioware will go on about story but from what I've seen it's pretty cheesy and poorly written. Not only that but if it turns out to be Age of Conan Tortage, then it's good for one playthrough but I don't even want to do it again. Where as something like a WoW, Star Wars Galaxies (pre cu), EVE and Everquest all offered the chance to go anywhere and do quests in any order. I just feel like the story stuff will turn out to be really bland and you get sick of it very quickly. I just do not understand why they didn't make SWTOR if that's the case.
You have to let it go. Just accept that SWTOR is what it is and not what you want it to be. SWTOR falls into the category of WoW-style themepark gameplay, sure, it will add its own distinctions to it and will most likely have its own feel and atmosphere that'll remind of KOTOR and the BW touch, but at its core it'll also have the themepark gameplay that many MMO gamers will recognize of WoW, LotrO, Rift and other sortlike MMO's.
If that's not your thing, if you've become turned off on that kind of gameplay, then you have to accept the fact that this type of gameplay will very likely also turn off in SWTOR, you have to be prepared that this risk is very much possible if you intend to play SWTOR.
As for the story component, the vast majority is positive about it, even enthusiastic, a lot of demo players and beta testers apparently even seem to prefer that instead of the regular questing gameplay as done in the current MMO's.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
I know it looks bto have the best potential of any other MMO in the past six years, my problem is how many times have we said that and got let down? These interviews and previews always hype the game up so much and then the features never come into play when the game is launched. I go by gameplay and miss all the marketing crap and by gameplay alone it just looks like WoW. Sure it might be the best WoW clone out there, I just think I'm fed up of WoW and wanted Bioware to offer something new like I knew they could.... just they didn't.
Bioware will go on about story but from what I've seen it's pretty cheesy and poorly written. Not only that but if it turns out to be Age of Conan Tortage, then it's good for one playthrough but I don't even want to do it again. Where as something like a WoW, Star Wars Galaxies (pre cu), EVE and Everquest all offered the chance to go anywhere and do quests in any order. I just feel like the story stuff will turn out to be really bland and you get sick of it very quickly. I just do not understand why they didn't make SWTOR if that's the case.
Then add space on to that and think how quickly that will become boring, when they coulda so easily have made space a place of exploration like the ground or even 3D space PVP like Battlefront.
Not wanting to put up with hype doesn't excuse from reading up on a game to get to a preliminary conclusion that's founded on anything else than just personal hunches There's a wealth of non-hyped information available on this game's features and you can't just put that aside and expect people to value your opinion. A lot of things you write suggest you lack quite some information:
Tortage was one story for everyone, Swtor will have different stories for each class that branch depending on the choices you make and it also incorporates an alignment system with perks for going light side, dark side or a neutral paths.
Swtor will also allow you to put down your story whenever you want to and do other stuff out in the world like heroic quests, exploring, crafting and whatnot. The game isn't on rails.
The space combat aspect thus far should be regarded as just a mini game; they have their hands full on making a huge ground based mmorpg first.
Yet another basher. Let's compare the graphics again to some other games.
[GW2, TOR, TERA]
Seems to me, TOR is holding it's own as these shots of them are from and old build and they are even better now.
Screenshots really don't give an accurate impression, especially when they're resized down to 640x480. That can even make Sims3 look good, and can make WoW look incredible.
At 1440x900 (the modest res I play everything at) you really see differences in faces, which is where TOR seems to really lack detail, making it look bland and cartoonish. Also, animation can make up for deficiences (or cause them) which is another area TOR seems strikingly sub-par to me.
From screenshots alone, TOR looks fine. From the trailers with select snippets of gameplay, it looks fine, too. But from the basic gameplay footage, it just can't compare to GW2 or Tera, Or even Rift. Sadly, I can't even think of any other MMO to compare it to that's come out this year.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
Screenshots really don't give an accurate impression, especially when they're resized down to 640x480. That can even make Sims3 look good, and can make WoW look incredible.
Screenshots at high resolution still show off the environment graphics to be spectacular, a hell of a lot better than the environment graphics in most MMO's.
At 1440x900 (the modest res I play everything at) you really see differences in faces, which is where TOR seems to really lack detail, making it look bland and cartoonish. Also, animation can make up for deficiences (or cause them) which is another area TOR seems strikingly sub-par to me.
Well, it's all a matter of opinion anyway. I know yours by your descriptions. I just happen to disagree: SWTOR's facial animations are a lot better and more expressive than the ones done in other MMO's. The only other MMO that I can think of that had a wide range of subtle facial animations is Aion.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
There you go foolks find me A Sith from SW movies or games that look like this... You cant... Everything in this game is made cartoony and WoW like if it werent for lighsabers every1 would think this is WOW.
Game jusst doesnt't looka nad feel like SW.
I dont want to find a Sith like this in movies or other games, I want THIS game to have something new. If TOR had only stuff copy pastad' from the movies into this game I wouldnt even try this, I want to experience Star Wars with LOADS of new stuff poured on top of a solid Star Wars bottom.
If you personally feel like you are in WoW when you walk the streets of Coruscant, when you are doing cinematic story quests or swinging a light saber or shooting a blaster, I'm really sorry. Maybe you just should go post on some other game's forums that you feel positive about rather than bash on another for uh... Reasons I've no clue about.
I dont really even see the WoW comparisons since the game does not look like WoW graphically. Game play mechanics where you select target, select abilities from ability bar etc etc was introduced in KOTOR for example before WoW was even out. So this game has similar graphics style (but updated) like KOTOR and similar gameplay. If WoW copied gameplay from KOTOR and other dozens of games that had it before WoW, dont bash on titles that came/comes afterwards for having something in common, lol.
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Yeah, and you just keep bashing SWTOR and ignoring the world screenshots around. I think I've seen more screenshots and HD video footage than you, so at least my opinion is grounded firmly on facts and the available info out there.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
First hi for all and I can only say is Star Wars, dont need more.
Amazes the hell out of me. The grand throne room was enough to make me realize how epic the art direction is in the game.
The problem with ToR is it has nothing to keep players playing unless you roll alts and try the different classes.
I say this in the nicest way possible and with all honesty.... ToR as is will not hold subscribers past the 2 months mark and the hardcore players that can put in 6-12hrs or more a day playing will blow through what it has to offer and just like with Rift freeze their account.
Played: MCO - EQ/EQ2 - WoW - VG - WAR - AoC - LoTRO - DDO - GW/GW2 - Eve - Rift - FE - TSW - TSO - WS - ESO - AA - BD
Playing: Sims 3 & 4, Diablo3 and PoE
Waiting on: Lost Ark
Who's going to make a Cyberpunk MMO?
My brand new bloggity blog.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
It has everything that other MMOs have at level cap and more according to the developers and seeing as no-one, including I'm assuming yourself, has played the end game yet you are making a baseless accusation of which you have no facts to back it up.
There will be 3 PvP warzones at launch, there will be at least 1 end game raid at launch, there will be 4 man flashpoints for level capped players at launch along with crafting and space combat. that doesn't sound too shabby a list to launch with to me.
Game jusst doesnt't looka nad feel like SW.
They are up to par with any MMO to date, but with one difference, they will stand the test of time, stylized gfx will still be on par with games that comeout 2 years from now while photo realistic won't.
Also stylized gfx are more computer friendly so you don't need the latest computer to run the game, this is one of if not the biggest mistake most MMO Dev's. make, they make the game to much of a system hog limiting there player base, thats what happen to EQ2 when it first came out, not everyone that played MMO's in the past could play the new EQ2 at that time, that led to giving WoW the edge and time to gather a larger player base feeding them cash to support and update the game to it's super star statis, EQ2 hurt them selves as they should of been the number 1 MMO of the time due to such a large fan base that wanted to come from EQ1.
Gfx can make or break a MMO and it's not the best gfx that's the deciding factor. If we learned anything from WoW that is the more people that can play the game the more money they can make to support the game to add content, polish & service.
So while people go ahead and play the NEXT GEN GFX MMO remember this, how long before they start to cut resources due lack of funding and how long untill it goes F2P and adds a cash shop to support and develop there next money grab MMO to do it all again....take your money with box sales and false promises.
Stylised graphics tend to last longer and don't age as fast as realistic graphics because if you aim for realism your games going to look outdated in a year or two when the new technology is out and other games are created which are aiming for realism aswell. A stylised graphics style fits MMORPG's perfectly because they are built to last a long time and to be played for years, they are harder to contrast against newer games unless they copy your style.
You do realize that for every "doesn't look like Starwars enough" post there exists a "looks too much like Starwars while it is supposed to be set in an entirely different period" post, right?
Kinda funny that. Even though everyone can cherry pick a screenshot and stick a fitting, gross generalization for the entire game on it, keep it up, I'd say; the Starwars forum here on mmorpg.com has more threads than all other top 7 anticipated games combined and it is still gaining. Whether its negative or positive, this game sure makes a buzz. ^_^
My brand new bloggity blog.
I see a HUGE difference! I see two fantasy style games and one Sci-Fi...Choice is EASY, STAR WARS
if you think star wars looks like wow you demonstrate that you have no idea how to distinguish artistic styles.
Quotations Those Who make peaceful resolutions impossible, make violent resolutions inevitable. John F. Kennedy
Life... is the shit that happens while you wait for moments that never come - Lester Freeman
Lie to no one. If there 's somebody close to you, you'll ruin it with a lie. If they're a stranger, who the fuck are they you gotta lie to them? - Willy Nelson
LOL
I am not a fan of the character models either. I don't think they are bad, it's a style issue for me. I just don't care for that style. I do see they have improved because i hated the earlier models and I did think they were poor because of the "block like" facial features.
I am also concerned about the longetivity of the game. I just don't think they have said much about it at this point and I am sure they will address it eventually. I also feel bioware realized their error in saying keep rerolling alts because it was making people quesiton how much content they had. So they really don't say that as much as they use to.
"Because we all know the miracle patch fairy shows up the night before release and sprinkles magic dust on the server to make it allllll better." parrotpholk
Exactly... Similar in that they're stylized much different in interpretation.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Seconded..
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I will say this game doesn't have to 'amaze' me.
It simply has to be better than the last 'ok' game I played which was Rift and I'm sure it'll do that simply because it's going to have much more varied content and a bigger world to explore in there than Rift had at launch.
When GW2 is released, it won't have to 'amaze' me either. It just has to be better than SWTOR to get my subscription.
If I wait around for mmos only to be amazed, I'd still just be playing consoles.
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I know it looks bto have the best potential of any other MMO in the past six years, my problem is how many times have we said that and got let down? These interviews and previews always hype the game up so much and then the features never come into play when the game is launched. I go by gameplay and miss all the marketing crap and by gameplay alone it just looks like WoW. Sure it might be the best WoW clone out there, I just think I'm fed up of WoW and wanted Bioware to offer something new like I knew they could.... just they didn't.
Bioware will go on about story but from what I've seen it's pretty cheesy and poorly written. Not only that but if it turns out to be Age of Conan Tortage, then it's good for one playthrough but I don't even want to do it again. Where as something like a WoW, Star Wars Galaxies (pre cu), EVE and Everquest all offered the chance to go anywhere and do quests in any order. I just feel like the story stuff will turn out to be really bland and you get sick of it very quickly. I just do not understand why they didn't make SWTOR if that's the case.
Then add space on to that and think how quickly that will become boring, when they coulda so easily have made space a place of exploration like the ground or even 3D space PVP like Battlefront.
This.
You have to let it go. Just accept that SWTOR is what it is and not what you want it to be. SWTOR falls into the category of WoW-style themepark gameplay, sure, it will add its own distinctions to it and will most likely have its own feel and atmosphere that'll remind of KOTOR and the BW touch, but at its core it'll also have the themepark gameplay that many MMO gamers will recognize of WoW, LotrO, Rift and other sortlike MMO's.
If that's not your thing, if you've become turned off on that kind of gameplay, then you have to accept the fact that this type of gameplay will very likely also turn off in SWTOR, you have to be prepared that this risk is very much possible if you intend to play SWTOR.
As for the story component, the vast majority is positive about it, even enthusiastic, a lot of demo players and beta testers apparently even seem to prefer that instead of the regular questing gameplay as done in the current MMO's.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Not wanting to put up with hype doesn't excuse from reading up on a game to get to a preliminary conclusion that's founded on anything else than just personal hunches
There's a wealth of non-hyped information available on this game's features and you can't just put that aside and expect people to value your opinion. A lot of things you write suggest you lack quite some information:
Tortage was one story for everyone, Swtor will have different stories for each class that branch depending on the choices you make and it also incorporates an alignment system with perks for going light side, dark side or a neutral paths.
Swtor will also allow you to put down your story whenever you want to and do other stuff out in the world like heroic quests, exploring, crafting and whatnot. The game isn't on rails.
The space combat aspect thus far should be regarded as just a mini game; they have their hands full on making a huge ground based mmorpg first.
My brand new bloggity blog.
Screenshots really don't give an accurate impression, especially when they're resized down to 640x480. That can even make Sims3 look good, and can make WoW look incredible.
At 1440x900 (the modest res I play everything at) you really see differences in faces, which is where TOR seems to really lack detail, making it look bland and cartoonish. Also, animation can make up for deficiences (or cause them) which is another area TOR seems strikingly sub-par to me.
From screenshots alone, TOR looks fine. From the trailers with select snippets of gameplay, it looks fine, too. But from the basic gameplay footage, it just can't compare to GW2 or Tera, Or even Rift. Sadly, I can't even think of any other MMO to compare it to that's come out this year.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
Well, it's all a matter of opinion anyway. I know yours by your descriptions. I just happen to disagree: SWTOR's facial animations are a lot better and more expressive than the ones done in other MMO's. The only other MMO that I can think of that had a wide range of subtle facial animations is Aion.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
I dont want to find a Sith like this in movies or other games, I want THIS game to have something new. If TOR had only stuff copy pastad' from the movies into this game I wouldnt even try this, I want to experience Star Wars with LOADS of new stuff poured on top of a solid Star Wars bottom.
If you personally feel like you are in WoW when you walk the streets of Coruscant, when you are doing cinematic story quests or swinging a light saber or shooting a blaster, I'm really sorry. Maybe you just should go post on some other game's forums that you feel positive about rather than bash on another for uh... Reasons I've no clue about.
I dont really even see the WoW comparisons since the game does not look like WoW graphically. Game play mechanics where you select target, select abilities from ability bar etc etc was introduced in KOTOR for example before WoW was even out. So this game has similar graphics style (but updated) like KOTOR and similar gameplay. If WoW copied gameplay from KOTOR and other dozens of games that had it before WoW, dont bash on titles that came/comes afterwards for having something in common, lol.