Yet another basher. Let's compare the graphics again to some other games.
GW2
TOR
TERA
Seems to me, TOR is holding it's own as these shots of them are from and old build and they are even better now.
I have to completely disagree witht he OP and agree with musicmann. Especially on graphics. If you compare these sets of shots the very first thing you see is the lack of detail in the first set of pics. Oh the character models look good, but EVERYTHING else is a wash. Completely boring in my opinion. The Last set of pics are nice enough, for 80's style saturday morning cartoons and Jap Anima style weapons. Got to love that sword being almost as big as the character weilding it. With the SWTOR shots, while they choose not to go with the ultra realistic graphics, it is still amazung the quality and detail of the style they are using. Personally, I find the SWTOR graphics the most appealing, mostly because in the overal, the other two games graphics are either lame or to childish to be appealing.
I think what I find most amazing about the game is the overall of what they are doing, not the little things.
1- Completely voiced over.
2- Realistic animations thanks to motion capture.
3- Very nice twist on crafting that should if anything make crafting MORE enjoyable for a great amount of people.
4- Personal choices IN your quests decisions, not just yes or no. Especially how they alter later game play.
5- Team choices in quest decisions, but the personal decision is what matters for your individual story. This alone should greatly help to increase teaming.
6- An individual story for each class that last 150+ hours of play time.
7- World quests and epic quessts to add a huge amount of addition game play time.
8- A huge universe when you start playing the game (at launch) that is bigger than what most MMOs have even several years after they have launched.
9- The ability to level by PvP alone.
10- Rewards for exploring.
11- Creative copmpanion system that even allows you to play without your companion if you want a "hard mode".
I think in the overall, this game will be amazing because while any one aspect of this game may not be "stellar" in it's revolution to the game, the overall is spectacular IF it is done as well as it seems to have been done. We shall see I guess. I know I'll be buying this game to find out.
As for the other points the OP makes, personally he sounds like someone who simply is burnt out on gaming in general and will never find a game to his liking, especially in the MMO market.
I did a double take because this is the first time I've seen screenshots of GW2. REALLY guys? THAT is the game that some of you are crowing about as being SO much better looking than TOR? GW2 graphics couldn't hold TOR's jock strap.Those backgrounds are as bland as WOW's and the character models are barely on the same scale as STO. If this was a paternity prank then it has been well executed. You guys can't possibly be that serious.
Problem with any usage of screenshots is that for all the upcoming games, the quality of screenshots ranges quite a bit, from 'meh' to 'oh wow'. So it's pretty easy to find the crappiest screenshots for the game you dislike, and the best screenshots for the game you do like.
Also, people should really stop assuming 'cartoony' is an insult. Well, it probably is being used as an insult sometime, but it shouldn't be, it's a valid way of explaining a style.
Like saying something looks anime-styled or something. (Which is basically saying 'That looks Japanese-cartoony'. :P )
Used properly, it should be a description of style, rather than a description of quality. Cartoons can look pretty damn awesome, thank you very much. :V
What you have to remeber O.p is that one persons lack of amazement is another persons this looks amazing.
Half the people in this thread need to remember that though.
It's all 'GW2 is teh superior' 'No, SW:ToR is teh superior' 'Actually, I find myself preferring the artwork of (insert game here)'
Well, I'm going to one-up you all and insist that they're all inferior to any Pixar animations. (Cartoony for the win!)
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You are right and that's the thing though man. Everybody has been winging on these boards for as long as I have been posting on them about how bad we have it as fans and how nothing good has been released and how the world smells like bad cheese. These two games have the potential to be amazing. In this market there has to be room for both of them. Wtf is going on with the whole penis measuring competition? Get over yourselves or look like very stupid self important children. Your choice kids but I urge you to make a better one than this becouse all you do is look very stupid to me right now. Does it really really matter what game you have never played is best? All that is really imporatnt is by this time next year we will have the opertunity to be playing both of tham. Not trying to flame, troll or bait. Just trying to make a point.
As for the game's look it comes down to two categories:
1. Star Wars is known for two things: Movies and the expanded universe though comics, novels and cartoons. Obviously Bioware has chose the later to emulate and to distance themselves from trying to emulate the realistic movie look (and to keep far away from the uncanny valley). It is a matter of seeing how it feels in game or grows on you ... which is point 2:
2. All games have two elements to factor in: Game looks and game play. I absolutely never judge a game on looks alone until I can enter the game and see how the feel of it pans out. Some games simply 'feel' right and others simply do not. I have loaded many games to simply log out and uninstall within minutes. My play style is all about keybinds and movement and craptastic keyboard clicker and movers on demo's simply can't emulate through video anything close to how I would play the game so I can't judge anything at this point.
Gameplay is far more important than game looks.
I agree it is a combination of both elements for me as well. However, if I absolutely hate the way a game looks I will rarely try it, if it is an mmorpg. If i need to look at a game everyday it just has to be something i enjoy looking at on some level. That being said, I don't hate the way TOR looks, I just prefer other styles.
Since I like Bioware's other games, Star Wars, and I have friends interested in the game I will probably try it. However, it will be the longetivity of the game that keeps me playing. I believe Bioware can pull this off, but I do question the longetivity of the game only because they are not really saying much about it, yet. I think they eventually will and I am sure they will have plans to continue the "story" after launch. It will just be a matter of the pace they are able to keep it up at.
Right now I plan to play both GW2 and TOR, so for me it isn't a one or the other. I have concerns about both, but hope for both as well.
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Fan's better hope that the story is amazing because the gameplay looks to be boring as hell. Another Rift all over again except TOR seems to have quite a few more bugs than Rift had at this stage in development IMO.
I think you should worry about TERA considering the track record of Asian titles in western market. TOR is a star war game and has Bioware behind it. There is nothing to worry about when it comes to their story telling skills.
Fan's better hope that the story is amazing because the gameplay looks to be boring as hell. Another Rift all over again except TOR seems to have quite a few more bugs than Rift had at this stage in development IMO.
I think you should worry about TERA considering the track record of Asian titles in western market. TOR is a star war game and has Bioware behind it. There is nothing to worry about when it comes to their story telling skills.
I agree. His assessment also totally conflicts with those who got their hands on the game, saying in most cases just how polished it is considering it is still in closed beta. In fact, many felt it was ready for release now.
Problem with any usage of screenshots is that for all the upcoming games, the quality of screenshots ranges quite a bit, from 'meh' to 'oh wow'. So it's pretty easy to find the crappiest screenshots for the game you dislike, and the best screenshots for the game you do like.
Also, people should really stop assuming 'cartoony' is an insult. Well, it probably is being used as an insult sometime, but it shouldn't be, it's a valid way of explaining a style.
Like saying something looks anime-styled or something. (Which is basically saying 'That looks Japanese-cartoony'. :P )
Used properly, it should be a description of style, rather than a description of quality. Cartoons can look pretty damn awesome, thank you very much. :V
I didn't use screenshots from either I personally thought looked bad. I also look forward to both games. I agree though cartoony isn't a bad thing, at least as a descriptive term. However using it to insinuate it's for children is another matter entirely. The latter is how I often see it used.
Personally I have no masculinity issues, so i can appreciate realism and cartoony, as they both have a flair of their own. I do personally prefer a more gritty or grimy look for Star Wars more akin to the original films concept art. I can however deal with and appreciate the style they went with.
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Fan's better hope that the story is amazing because the gameplay looks to be boring as hell. Another Rift all over again except TOR seems to have quite a few more bugs than Rift had at this stage in development IMO.
I think you should worry about TERA considering the track record of Asian titles in western market. TOR is a star war game and has Bioware behind it. There is nothing to worry about when it comes to their story telling skills.
I agree. His assessment also totally conflicts with those who got their hands on the game, saying in most cases just how polished it is considering it is still in closed beta. In fact, many felt it was ready for release now.
I wouldn't worry to much about people that reference reviewers on second rate blog sites that bash the entirety of a game even when they admit in the very first paragraph that they have never played it.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
I've watched both the Taral V and Tattooine developer walkthroughs and at the end of them all I wnated was to know what happens next. I have that feeling plenty in single player games but never in an MMO before and these aren't even the touted class quests that bioware are so proud off. The Taral V flash point looks like a really cool 4 player KOTOR, how can I not be excited and amazed at the idea of that?
I've read were as part of the IA questline you have the opportunity to seduce a young woman in an attempt to get her to betray her father, does that sound like any MMO anyone has played? Rather than quest givers just stand there they have the same natural movements and fidgeting during conversations that you see in top single player games and while it may seem a little thing it adds to imersion siginificantly imo
Other things I'm excited about
Player ships, I can't wait until I get my own personal ship and explore the galaxy and have you seen the size of the star ships in TOR? they are freaking huge
Space combat, people can moan about the lack of a full on space portion of the game but it looks like a really nice, fun change of pace to me.
The companion system, it looks like it will add to the game in so many ways from crafting to story to combat. It looks like your companions will be as important as they are in all Bioware games.
Finding out what happened to Revan, nothing more needs to be said about this
Just going around the game world and finding new codex entries and lore created for the game, this is something Bioware does really well in their games, they create a ton of back story and history for thier game worlds to flesh it out. Just watching the time lines over at the TOR site is enough to get me excited about this game.
I could go on and on about why I'm excited about this game, the story, the VO, the obvious amount of polish going into the game, the thought of playing PvP where people are running at each other with light sabers and blasters. The fact that it isn't another high fantasy MMO is a huge plus for me as well. I'm really excited about this game and I have faith in Bioware, I've enjoyed all their games (including DA2 even if it was a let down in some areas) so I'm confident I'll enjoy this as well
On the subject of Guild Wars 2, it looks good and and seems to have good ideas but I watched the Gamescon presentation from last year http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1kN4Bccx2M&playnext=1&list=PLA076C4FB316DDEF1 and while it may have VO it's pretty bad from what I can see, it's the definition of 'phoned in' Just go to the end few minutes of that game I linked and you'll see what I mean.
I wouldn't worry to much about people that reference reviewers on second rate blog sites that bash the entirety of a game even when they admit in the very first paragraph that they have never played it.
Yeah I would not worry about it bro. There is no way it could be true....right?
this so reminds me of FFXIV.
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Look at games like The Witcher 2. The graphics are on the cutting edgem yet the world is bland and boring. It's hard to differentiate anything. I actually prefer a game to look like a game. A sort of artistic escape. I prefer textures that look like they were hand drawn by an artist, not a photocopy of a real object.
I think both are cool depending on the type of game. In a single player game such as Crysis or something it works. In an mmo, it should be more fantasy looking if the game world is a fantasy world let's drop the "realism" - it's not real, it's an escape.
In games , i think there should be a balance between realism and some artistic freedom to design something from the imagination. Once it becomes a photocopy of the real world it looses it's appeal.
As for the title of the thread, there aren't many games at all that "amaze" anyway. 95% of them are pretty much either pure crap or just otherwise meh. I'd say there's a 95% percent chance TOR is gonna suck when all is said and done and it's released, at best it will be meh more than likely.
Graphically this game is coming along. The voice acting seems the best out of all the MMOs I've seen so far (then again how many have voice acting?). It looks like it might be great to play for the story, but the combat looks boring as hell.
Compared to What? It's improved on the regular mmo standard way of doing combat. Of course it's not gonna be this full blown FPS style action system, it's an mmorpg.
If you search youtube for TOR combat, you will find some video's that show once you compare different mmo's to this game, you can really see the difference.
It's not a comparison. I'm tired of the standard combat. I wasn't looking for FPS style combat at all, and don't think SW:ToR's combat needs to change. I've watched enough videos to know exactly what to expect. Other than the syncronized combat it really doesn't seem too interesting.
Like i asked. Compared to what.
Wtf man? I just said it's not a comparison! I'm tired of the same old shit, is there a problem with that? Am I not allowed to not like the combat?
As for what MMO I'm interested in. GW2 and that's it. Why does that matter?
It matters a lot. See by you being interested in GW2, and commmenting on this in a TOR forum, makes you look like a forum troll. I could easily go into the GW2 forum. Lay out a long post on how i think it's combat looks like a circus. A bunch of lights and pyro going off with clowns tumbling all over the place, but i won't. The reason, i couldn't care less about GW2.
See, this how an adult handles things that they like and don't like.
Wow... You're a fool. I have a mild interest in SW:ToR since 2 of my close friends really want to play this game. If I was being a troll I would have said that the game sucks and it will fail, but I didn't, and don't think anything like that.
You are just beefing with me because you are so in love with the game. All I said was that the combat looked boring to me. I don't get how you compare that to GW2 being "A bunch of lights and pyro going off with clowns tumbling all over the place." My post wasn't long either. I made ONE negative comment. I said the graphics are coming along, voice acting the best in any MMO I've seen, and it looks like it will be great for a story. So you call me a troll for that? You're the troll and a fanboy that can't take ONE tiny bit of criticism. Maybe read my original post over again or something. There was more praise than anything negative.
Get over it, not everyone is going to like everything about the game you're in to.
I wouldn't worry to much about people that reference reviewers on second rate blog sites that bash the entirety of a game even when they admit in the very first paragraph that they have never played it.
Yeah I would not worry about it bro. There is no way it could be true....right?
this so reminds me of FFXIV.
It absolutely could be true, but I would never trust someone else to tell me what a game will be like when thee haven't played it. Instead I will read reviews from people who HAVE played the game and see what they have said. So far the reviewers that like the game FAR outnumber the ones that don't. As a matter of fact, of the few I have read that didn't were even contradictory in their own reviews of why they didn't like the game, which to me speaks of an agenda of some sort. Maybe no, but definately a little confusing anyways.
So when people like you post that they don't like a game, and then try to show a review from a blogger that admits in his first paragraph that he didn't even play it, I simply can not respect your baseless opinions. This game still could be a flop, but so far I like what I am seeing. If I didn't like it, I wouldn't be so immature as to be posting here. Instead I would be in another forum looking at a game I did think was worth checking out.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
I wouldn't worry to much about people that reference reviewers on second rate blog sites that bash the entirety of a game even when they admit in the very first paragraph that they have never played it.
Yeah I would not worry about it bro. There is no way it could be true....right?
this so reminds me of FFXIV.
Yeah, it's just as true as with the blogger who said that SWTOR cost 300 million dollars and that people who hate SWTOR were all too willing to believe. I mean, the guy from this recent blog article (I'm not going to call it a preview or handson report, it's not a demo review if you've hardly played the demo) even admitted that he hardly or not at all played the game. Yet some quote him for his ingame experiences and as a preview?! Lol, hilarious!
Let me translate this for you: apparently you hate/dislike SWTOR from the bottom of your heart. That's why you're all too willing to believe any negative sound about it, even 'previews' that aren't actual handson reports at all, admitted by the article writer himself. Now who's biased and has blinded himself here, eh?
If that's the kind of logic and arguments that SWTOR haters/critics use, then no wonder that their words aren't taken seriously and regarded as raving madmen. Gut feeling arguments like 'ooooh, I don't know why but it feels like a FFXIV, or an NGE, or a DCUO' really don't make that much of an impression.
As stated elsewhere, the majority of reviews from people who actually played the game, are positive with a lot to like. You can't ever satisfy all MMO gamers, but reading from impressions and handson reports of the people who actually played, I'd say SWTOR manages to provide good gaming fun for a very large group of MMO gamers. Yeah, that must really suck for people who hate/dislike SWTOR and want everyone to feel the same towards the games they dislike as they do
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
When I saw them pics that was Star Wars to me and I was amazed! For 2002 and 2003 those graphics were better than anything we've seen before and it just blew everyone away. Now yes the game turned out to suck because of SOE but it was different and allowed us to live in a proper Star Wars world. All it needed was bug fixing and content, just a shame that never came to be cause they ruined it instead of fixed it lol.
Whenever I see SWTOR it looks more like WoW than it does Star Wars and I cannot look at the original trilogy (the only part of Star Wars that matters) and compare to two, SWTOR looks nothing like Star Wars. I just cannot see myself playing a cartoony game without getting sick of looking at it for ages like I did with WoW, I couldn't believe that world, it just felt like a game to me. SWTOR looks dated before it is even out, the environments look nice enough, but man the character models are the worst doll like looking things I've ever seen.
Push graphics aside so far the footage we've all see has been World of Warcraft in a sci fi setting. You can try to disagree with that all you want, just compare to two and you're doing the same exact thing. I'm so bored of WoW that I don't want to do that anymore, it makes SWTOR look and play dated before it's even out. The only thing they're adding is the whole Mass Effect conversation thing, I could care less because it ends up being so boring and you end up skipping it all.
You are a badass MF Sith who will kill anyone that is align with the empire and your ride is a lame "Segway" speeder at Tatooine. While BW talking about story immersion and yet the speeder bike can also go poof in your inventory. Combat gameplay is not that great, feels too static, crazy point blank shooting. These things does not amaze me.
I was wondering would BW dev take 1 year or 2 years to provide expansion with the voice over and storyline... Blizzard Dev have comment that its not that viable for Bliz to do that cos it would be very tidious. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c47lVQD5Zyo
I would say the odds are going towards the game sucking, every game that has come out since after WoW has been a clone and has sucked. Everyone on these forums comes on and complains that it is the exact same thing. Yet look at SWTOR and everyone wants to believe it wont be that all over again and the footage speaks otherwise. So far all I see is WoW and the space parts are on rails so it'll just be a mini game rather than somewhere else to explore. I know I'm gonna get flamed, just when this comes out, I know I'll probably be right.
The Giant Bomb podcast confirmed it for me when Jeff said he got to play it and see it at this years E3 and he was doing what he was doing in world. Then he said he isn't interested in that anymore because WoW did it in 2004 and he's waiting for something new. That's how I feel, I don't want another WoW and I know most of the people here do not either. They can say you'll be doing all these things and how they're better than WoW, however when you see it, you see you're doing the same things and it's the devs lying again.
When I saw them pics that was Star Wars to me and I was amazed! For 2002 and 2003 those graphics were better than anything we've seen before and it just blew everyone away. Now yes the game turned out to suck because of SOE but it was different and allowed us to live in a proper Star Wars world. All it needed was bug fixing and content, just a shame that never came to be cause they ruined it instead of fixed it lol.
It sucked in the end not the begining, for me anyway.
Whenever I see SWTOR it looks more like WoW than it does Star Wars and I cannot look at the original trilogy (the only part of Star Wars that matters) and compare to two, SWTOR looks nothing like Star Wars. I just cannot see myself playing a cartoony game without getting sick of looking at it for ages like I did with WoW, I couldn't believe that world, it just felt like a game to me. SWTOR looks dated before it is even out, the environments look nice enough, but man the character models are the worst doll like looking things I've ever seen.
I disagree, SWG had very doll like TOONs, SWTOR not so much in my eyes.
Push graphics aside so far the footage we've all see has been World of Warcraft in a sci fi setting. You can try to disagree with that all you want, just compare to two and you're doing the same exact thing. I'm so bored of WoW that I don't want to do that anymore, it makes SWTOR look and play dated before it's even out. The only thing they're adding is the whole Mass Effect conversation thing,
I can compare a lot of mmo's to TOR that's to be expected, I can compare a lot of RPG's to each other as well. That means very little in the end, because two games playing similar do not mean they are exact copies of one another, presentation alone can make one feel vastly different than the other.
I could care less because it ends up being so boring and you end up skipping it all.
You end up skipping it, I don't.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
You are a badass MF Sith who who will kill anyone that is align with the empire and your ride is a lame "Segway" speeder at Tatooine. While BW talking about story immersion and yet the speeder bike can also go poof into your into bag. This thing does not amaze me.
I was wondering would BW dev take 1 year or 2 years to provide expansion with the voice over and storyline... Blizzard Dev have comment that its not that viable for Bliz to do that cos it would be very tidious
God bless 'em, I'll probably give Star Wars: The Old Republic a try. Even the most terrible game can be made fun with friends—and it doesn't look terrible, just uninspired—and I remain intrigued about how well Bioware has wedded story to a game type that I don't think actually needs that much story.
And while its gameplay may be different from World of Warcraft, it's clearly only different in ways that passionate MMO gamers will be able to discern. To the rest of us, it's going to be World of Warcraft wearing a brown robe and carrying a lightsaber. It could have been so much more.
You are a badass MF Sith who who will kill anyone that is align with the empire and your ride is a lame "Segway" speeder at Tatooine. While BW talking about story immersion and yet the speeder bike can also go poof into your into bag. This thing does not amaze me.
I was wondering would BW dev take 1 year or 2 years to provide expansion with the voice over and storyline... Blizzard Dev have comment that its not that viable for Bliz to do that cos it would be very tidious
God bless 'em, I'll probably give Star Wars: The Old Republic a try. Even the most terrible game can be made fun with friends—and it doesn't look terrible, just uninspired—and I remain intrigued about how well Bioware has wedded story to a game type that I don't think actually needs that much story.
And while its gameplay may be different from World of Warcraft, it's clearly only different in ways that passionate MMO gamers will be able to discern. To the rest of us, it's going to be World of Warcraft wearing a brown robe and carrying a lightsaber. It could have been so much more.
To me that sounds like the guy is bored that he is playing the same game over again and he's bored of it. Many of us are waiting for SWTOR because we're sick of all the other MMOs as they're all the same, the last thing we need is SWTOR to come out and do the same old. I'm not going to play a game I don't like just because my friends play it, I've grown up from that and have better things to waste my time on.
You are a badass MF Sith who who will kill anyone that is align with the empire and your ride is a lame "Segway" speeder at Tatooine. While BW talking about story immersion and yet the speeder bike can also go poof into your into bag. This thing does not amaze me.
I was wondering would BW dev take 1 year or 2 years to provide expansion with the voice over and storyline... Blizzard Dev have comment that its not that viable for Bliz to do that cos it would be very tidious
You're right, it IS another perspective, like he says himself in that article:
I just had a hands-on demo with the hugely anticipated massively multiplayer role-playing game Star Wars: The Old Republic, but after an hour of watching self-described sizzle reels of prerendered and in-game footage, showing casually pirouetting Jedi and environments full of foxfire and crepitating tails of energy, I couldn't actually make myself actually play the game.
I mean, whatever, right? This is just my gut take, not a review. There's no way I've played anywhere even approaching enough game time to make a judgement about that.
Definitely another perspective than that of people who actually played the game for a while: he's writing his article based not on any handson gameplay experience - because he hardly had any at all - but... on his gut feelings.
Then again, if someone truly hates or despises a game, then anything negative goes, right? Doesn't matter if there's any credibility in it, as long as it's negative, just use it as a source. I guess it shows how far people's bias towards SWTOR goes when they want to bash a game they dislike beyond reason
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
You are a badass MF Sith who who will kill anyone that is align with the empire and your ride is a lame "Segway" speeder at Tatooine. While BW talking about story immersion and yet the speeder bike can also go poof into your into bag. This thing does not amaze me.
I was wondering would BW dev take 1 year or 2 years to provide expansion with the voice over and storyline... Blizzard Dev have comment that its not that viable for Bliz to do that cos it would be very tidious
You realise that you just linked to an article that reveals the author to be a total original trilogy fan boy and refused to even play SWTOR because it doesn't match up to his vision of what Startwars should be don't you? There is no way you can take that article seriously.
As for the speeder issues you have, that's the way it works in almost all MMOs, did you want to have to find a parking space for it then run to your objective then run back once you're finished? as for the 'segway', that's one and they have already said there will multiple vehicles available for each class.
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I did a double take because this is the first time I've seen screenshots of GW2. REALLY guys? THAT is the game that some of you are crowing about as being SO much better looking than TOR? GW2 graphics couldn't hold TOR's jock strap.Those backgrounds are as bland as WOW's and the character models are barely on the same scale as STO. If this was a paternity prank then it has been well executed. You guys can't possibly be that serious.
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Problem with any usage of screenshots is that for all the upcoming games, the quality of screenshots ranges quite a bit, from 'meh' to 'oh wow'. So it's pretty easy to find the crappiest screenshots for the game you dislike, and the best screenshots for the game you do like.
Also, people should really stop assuming 'cartoony' is an insult. Well, it probably is being used as an insult sometime, but it shouldn't be, it's a valid way of explaining a style.
Like saying something looks anime-styled or something. (Which is basically saying 'That looks Japanese-cartoony'. :P )
Used properly, it should be a description of style, rather than a description of quality. Cartoons can look pretty damn awesome, thank you very much. :V
What you have to remeber O.p is that one persons lack of amazement is another persons this looks amazing.
Half the people in this thread need to remember that though.
It's all 'GW2 is teh superior' 'No, SW:ToR is teh superior' 'Actually, I find myself preferring the artwork of (insert game here)'
Well, I'm going to one-up you all and insist that they're all inferior to any Pixar animations. (Cartoony for the win!)
That's right. MMORPGs suck. They have inferior graphics.
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You are right and that's the thing though man. Everybody has been winging on these boards for as long as I have been posting on them about how bad we have it as fans and how nothing good has been released and how the world smells like bad cheese. These two games have the potential to be amazing. In this market there has to be room for both of them. Wtf is going on with the whole penis measuring competition? Get over yourselves or look like very stupid self important children. Your choice kids but I urge you to make a better one than this becouse all you do is look very stupid to me right now. Does it really really matter what game you have never played is best? All that is really imporatnt is by this time next year we will have the opertunity to be playing both of tham. Not trying to flame, troll or bait. Just trying to make a point.
I agree it is a combination of both elements for me as well. However, if I absolutely hate the way a game looks I will rarely try it, if it is an mmorpg. If i need to look at a game everyday it just has to be something i enjoy looking at on some level. That being said, I don't hate the way TOR looks, I just prefer other styles.
Since I like Bioware's other games, Star Wars, and I have friends interested in the game I will probably try it. However, it will be the longetivity of the game that keeps me playing. I believe Bioware can pull this off, but I do question the longetivity of the game only because they are not really saying much about it, yet. I think they eventually will and I am sure they will have plans to continue the "story" after launch. It will just be a matter of the pace they are able to keep it up at.
Right now I plan to play both GW2 and TOR, so for me it isn't a one or the other. I have concerns about both, but hope for both as well.
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I think you should worry about TERA considering the track record of Asian titles in western market. TOR is a star war game and has Bioware behind it. There is nothing to worry about when it comes to their story telling skills.
I agree. His assessment also totally conflicts with those who got their hands on the game, saying in most cases just how polished it is considering it is still in closed beta. In fact, many felt it was ready for release now.
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I didn't use screenshots from either I personally thought looked bad. I also look forward to both games. I agree though cartoony isn't a bad thing, at least as a descriptive term. However using it to insinuate it's for children is another matter entirely. The latter is how I often see it used.
Personally I have no masculinity issues, so i can appreciate realism and cartoony, as they both have a flair of their own. I do personally prefer a more gritty or grimy look for Star Wars more akin to the original films concept art. I can however deal with and appreciate the style they went with.
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I wouldn't worry to much about people that reference reviewers on second rate blog sites that bash the entirety of a game even when they admit in the very first paragraph that they have never played it.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
I'll tell you what amazes me about this game.
I've watched both the Taral V and Tattooine developer walkthroughs and at the end of them all I wnated was to know what happens next. I have that feeling plenty in single player games but never in an MMO before and these aren't even the touted class quests that bioware are so proud off. The Taral V flash point looks like a really cool 4 player KOTOR, how can I not be excited and amazed at the idea of that?
I've read were as part of the IA questline you have the opportunity to seduce a young woman in an attempt to get her to betray her father, does that sound like any MMO anyone has played? Rather than quest givers just stand there they have the same natural movements and fidgeting during conversations that you see in top single player games and while it may seem a little thing it adds to imersion siginificantly imo
Other things I'm excited about
Player ships, I can't wait until I get my own personal ship and explore the galaxy and have you seen the size of the star ships in TOR? they are freaking huge
Space combat, people can moan about the lack of a full on space portion of the game but it looks like a really nice, fun change of pace to me.
The companion system, it looks like it will add to the game in so many ways from crafting to story to combat. It looks like your companions will be as important as they are in all Bioware games.
Finding out what happened to Revan, nothing more needs to be said about this
Just going around the game world and finding new codex entries and lore created for the game, this is something Bioware does really well in their games, they create a ton of back story and history for thier game worlds to flesh it out. Just watching the time lines over at the TOR site is enough to get me excited about this game.
I could go on and on about why I'm excited about this game, the story, the VO, the obvious amount of polish going into the game, the thought of playing PvP where people are running at each other with light sabers and blasters. The fact that it isn't another high fantasy MMO is a huge plus for me as well. I'm really excited about this game and I have faith in Bioware, I've enjoyed all their games (including DA2 even if it was a let down in some areas) so I'm confident I'll enjoy this as well
On the subject of Guild Wars 2, it looks good and and seems to have good ideas but I watched the Gamescon presentation from last year http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1kN4Bccx2M&playnext=1&list=PLA076C4FB316DDEF1 and while it may have VO it's pretty bad from what I can see, it's the definition of 'phoned in' Just go to the end few minutes of that game I linked and you'll see what I mean.
Yeah I would not worry about it bro. There is no way it could be true....right?
this so reminds me of FFXIV.
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Super realistic graphics are over rated imo.
Look at games like The Witcher 2. The graphics are on the cutting edgem yet the world is bland and boring. It's hard to differentiate anything. I actually prefer a game to look like a game. A sort of artistic escape. I prefer textures that look like they were hand drawn by an artist, not a photocopy of a real object.
I think both are cool depending on the type of game. In a single player game such as Crysis or something it works. In an mmo, it should be more fantasy looking if the game world is a fantasy world let's drop the "realism" - it's not real, it's an escape.
In games , i think there should be a balance between realism and some artistic freedom to design something from the imagination. Once it becomes a photocopy of the real world it looses it's appeal.
As for the title of the thread, there aren't many games at all that "amaze" anyway. 95% of them are pretty much either pure crap or just otherwise meh. I'd say there's a 95% percent chance TOR is gonna suck when all is said and done and it's released, at best it will be meh more than likely.
Wow... You're a fool. I have a mild interest in SW:ToR since 2 of my close friends really want to play this game. If I was being a troll I would have said that the game sucks and it will fail, but I didn't, and don't think anything like that.
You are just beefing with me because you are so in love with the game. All I said was that the combat looked boring to me. I don't get how you compare that to GW2 being "A bunch of lights and pyro going off with clowns tumbling all over the place." My post wasn't long either. I made ONE negative comment. I said the graphics are coming along, voice acting the best in any MMO I've seen, and it looks like it will be great for a story. So you call me a troll for that? You're the troll and a fanboy that can't take ONE tiny bit of criticism. Maybe read my original post over again or something. There was more praise than anything negative.
Get over it, not everyone is going to like everything about the game you're in to.
It absolutely could be true, but I would never trust someone else to tell me what a game will be like when thee haven't played it. Instead I will read reviews from people who HAVE played the game and see what they have said. So far the reviewers that like the game FAR outnumber the ones that don't. As a matter of fact, of the few I have read that didn't were even contradictory in their own reviews of why they didn't like the game, which to me speaks of an agenda of some sort. Maybe no, but definately a little confusing anyways.
So when people like you post that they don't like a game, and then try to show a review from a blogger that admits in his first paragraph that he didn't even play it, I simply can not respect your baseless opinions. This game still could be a flop, but so far I like what I am seeing. If I didn't like it, I wouldn't be so immature as to be posting here. Instead I would be in another forum looking at a game I did think was worth checking out.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
Yeah, it's just as true as with the blogger who said that SWTOR cost 300 million dollars and that people who hate SWTOR were all too willing to believe. I mean, the guy from this recent blog article (I'm not going to call it a preview or handson report, it's not a demo review if you've hardly played the demo) even admitted that he hardly or not at all played the game. Yet some quote him for his ingame experiences and as a preview?! Lol, hilarious!
Let me translate this for you: apparently you hate/dislike SWTOR from the bottom of your heart. That's why you're all too willing to believe any negative sound about it, even 'previews' that aren't actual handson reports at all, admitted by the article writer himself. Now who's biased and has blinded himself here, eh?
If that's the kind of logic and arguments that SWTOR haters/critics use, then no wonder that their words aren't taken seriously and regarded as raving madmen. Gut feeling arguments like 'ooooh, I don't know why but it feels like a FFXIV, or an NGE, or a DCUO' really don't make that much of an impression.
As stated elsewhere, the majority of reviews from people who actually played the game, are positive with a lot to like. You can't ever satisfy all MMO gamers, but reading from impressions and handson reports of the people who actually played, I'd say SWTOR manages to provide good gaming fun for a very large group of MMO gamers. Yeah, that must really suck for people who hate/dislike SWTOR and want everyone to feel the same towards the games they dislike as they do
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
When I saw them pics that was Star Wars to me and I was amazed! For 2002 and 2003 those graphics were better than anything we've seen before and it just blew everyone away. Now yes the game turned out to suck because of SOE but it was different and allowed us to live in a proper Star Wars world. All it needed was bug fixing and content, just a shame that never came to be cause they ruined it instead of fixed it lol.
Whenever I see SWTOR it looks more like WoW than it does Star Wars and I cannot look at the original trilogy (the only part of Star Wars that matters) and compare to two, SWTOR looks nothing like Star Wars. I just cannot see myself playing a cartoony game without getting sick of looking at it for ages like I did with WoW, I couldn't believe that world, it just felt like a game to me. SWTOR looks dated before it is even out, the environments look nice enough, but man the character models are the worst doll like looking things I've ever seen.
Push graphics aside so far the footage we've all see has been World of Warcraft in a sci fi setting. You can try to disagree with that all you want, just compare to two and you're doing the same exact thing. I'm so bored of WoW that I don't want to do that anymore, it makes SWTOR look and play dated before it's even out. The only thing they're adding is the whole Mass Effect conversation thing, I could care less because it ends up being so boring and you end up skipping it all.
You are a badass MF Sith who will kill anyone that is align with the empire and your ride is a lame "Segway" speeder at Tatooine. While BW talking about story immersion and yet the speeder bike can also go poof in your inventory. Combat gameplay is not that great, feels too static, crazy point blank shooting. These things does not amaze me.
I was wondering would BW dev take 1 year or 2 years to provide expansion with the voice over and storyline... Blizzard Dev have comment that its not that viable for Bliz to do that cos it would be very tidious. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c47lVQD5Zyo
Here is another perspective on SWTOR from Kotaku at E3 2011 http://kotaku.com/5810509/the-more-they-keep-telling-me-star-wars-the-old-republic-isnt-like-world-of-warcraft-the-less-i-want-to-play
Pardon my English as it is not my 1st language
I would say the odds are going towards the game sucking, every game that has come out since after WoW has been a clone and has sucked. Everyone on these forums comes on and complains that it is the exact same thing. Yet look at SWTOR and everyone wants to believe it wont be that all over again and the footage speaks otherwise. So far all I see is WoW and the space parts are on rails so it'll just be a mini game rather than somewhere else to explore. I know I'm gonna get flamed, just when this comes out, I know I'll probably be right.
The Giant Bomb podcast confirmed it for me when Jeff said he got to play it and see it at this years E3 and he was doing what he was doing in world. Then he said he isn't interested in that anymore because WoW did it in 2004 and he's waiting for something new. That's how I feel, I don't want another WoW and I know most of the people here do not either. They can say you'll be doing all these things and how they're better than WoW, however when you see it, you see you're doing the same things and it's the devs lying again.
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God bless 'em, I'll probably give Star Wars: The Old Republic a try. Even the most terrible game can be made fun with friends—and it doesn't look terrible, just uninspired—and I remain intrigued about how well Bioware has wedded story to a game type that I don't think actually needs that much story.
And while its gameplay may be different from World of Warcraft, it's clearly only different in ways that passionate MMO gamers will be able to discern. To the rest of us, it's going to be World of Warcraft wearing a brown robe and carrying a lightsaber. It could have been so much more.
To me that sounds like the guy is bored that he is playing the same game over again and he's bored of it. Many of us are waiting for SWTOR because we're sick of all the other MMOs as they're all the same, the last thing we need is SWTOR to come out and do the same old. I'm not going to play a game I don't like just because my friends play it, I've grown up from that and have better things to waste my time on.
You're right, it IS another perspective, like he says himself in that article:
I just had a hands-on demo with the hugely anticipated massively multiplayer role-playing game Star Wars: The Old Republic, but after an hour of watching self-described sizzle reels of prerendered and in-game footage, showing casually pirouetting Jedi and environments full of foxfire and crepitating tails of energy, I couldn't actually make myself actually play the game.
I mean, whatever, right? This is just my gut take, not a review. There's no way I've played anywhere even approaching enough game time to make a judgement about that.
Definitely another perspective than that of people who actually played the game for a while: he's writing his article based not on any handson gameplay experience - because he hardly had any at all - but... on his gut feelings.
Then again, if someone truly hates or despises a game, then anything negative goes, right? Doesn't matter if there's any credibility in it, as long as it's negative, just use it as a source. I guess it shows how far people's bias towards SWTOR goes when they want to bash a game they dislike beyond reason
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
You realise that you just linked to an article that reveals the author to be a total original trilogy fan boy and refused to even play SWTOR because it doesn't match up to his vision of what Startwars should be don't you? There is no way you can take that article seriously.
As for the speeder issues you have, that's the way it works in almost all MMOs, did you want to have to find a parking space for it then run to your objective then run back once you're finished? as for the 'segway', that's one and they have already said there will multiple vehicles available for each class.