Originally posted by sanosukex Originally posted by DannyGlove
Thats why you go to your fleet
If you want to be able to farm mats and just teleport to dungeons there are plenty of mmos that do this and honestly imo it doesnt help a community come together. You can do it with warzones which is silly enough but thats just me i guess. Ive played these types of games for a long time so chatting in various channels to get things done is part of the enjoyment for me. even if we get everyone to move to LFG channel you are still in the same issue people are just going to sit there and spam LFG it builds nothing for the community and is just waisting peoples time.. I don't want to repeat myself again but my feelings on why communities in these games have been failing is because of the reasons I posted in previous few posts and is nothing to do with how you put together a group
You can convince yourself that convenience = better communities but in my experiences it breeds complacency. Agree to disagree I guess.
I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his lot by all possible means - except by getting off his back.
Spending hours waiting standing around while spamming "LFG!!!" is NOT my idea of a good time and i have a hunch that i'm not alone in this. LFG-Tool was a gift from the gods for all of us who have little sparetime and want to actually GET THINGS DONE in the little time they have. Schoolkids may be able "to build a community" by standing around spamming general chat like an idiot for hours, i know i dont have that luxury or the patience for that matter.
If everyone who would want to do something in a group use the LFG function and write in there comments what they wanted to do all we would need to make this work would be a good search function that actually allows us to search for all ppls lfg for instance 01.
That would be the best way you nwould get the easy fast possibility to get groups without the community destroying effect of an auto-LFG tool.
you seem to have a funny way of only responding to the irrelevant parts of my responses but either way like i said it has nothing to do with how you find a group that effects and shapes a community its how the game itself is presented and how important or needed grouping really is in the game. Until you get to hard mode flashpoints most I have played don't even require much communication if any at all between players this is a problem with the design of these games which have become easier and easier and more solo friendly over the years and require less and less reason to communicate and play with others
All you can use to backup your argument is your experience. If my experience proves otherwise, that means your argument is weak and contains holes. I, on the other hand, used a proven psychological analysis as to why humans give more value to things that require an effort to obtain. Let me give you another example: If I work 10 hours per day every day so that at the end month I have enough money to buy food for my family, I value that food far more than if I could get it for free every morning.
You can convince yourself that convenience = better communities but in my experiences it breeds complacency. Agree to disagree I guess.
read what I wrote to stealthbr it has nothing to do with convienence the games themselves were designed to develop this sort of anti-social community. Has nothing at all to do with LFD tool.. but I still can't see how you guys can sit there with a straight face and say people spamming LFG in general chat or a LFG channel is community building.
If everyone who would want to do something in a group use the LFG function and write in there comments what they wanted to do all we would need to make this work would be a good search function that actually allows us to search for all ppls lfg for instance 01.
That would be the best way you nwould get the easy fast possibility to get groups without the community destroying effect of an auto-LFG tool.
umm this is already in the game.. just almost no one uses it.. i guess you can't really call it a "good" search function but a search function is there
I don't see the problem. General chat is being used by different people looking for groups rather than the typical trolling bs. If you want to have a conversation take it to whispers. Personally, I would rather see general chat spammed with people looking for groups than other bs. The only downside to this is that people may not be able to get responses to their questions being asked. A group chat channel should be implemented but that will leave the general chat open to trolls again.
I keep my chat window closed just because of my past experiences with the community in mmos. If it's not closed it's only open to group/whisper chat only.
Originally posted by sanosukex Originally posted by DannyGlover
You can convince yourself that convenience = better communities but in my experiences it breeds complacency. Agree to disagree I guess. read what I wrote to stealthbr it has nothing to do with convienence the games themselves were designed to develop this sort of anti-social community. Has nothing at all to do with LFD tool.. but I still can't see how you guys can sit there with a straight face and say people spamming LFG in general chat or a LFG channel is community building. spam is never community building. not sure where you got the impression that I said that. However, creating various chat channels for different interests and people using them accordingly, is. I dunno, maybe there are certain communication skills being lost on newer generations.
I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his lot by all possible means - except by getting off his back.
you seem to have a funny way of only responding to the irrelevant parts of my responses but either way like i said it has nothing to do with how you find a group that effects and shapes a community its how the game itself is presented and how important or needed grouping really is in the game. Until you get to hard mode flashpoints most I have played don't even require much communication if any at all between players this is a problem with the design of these games which have become easier and easier and more solo friendly over the years and require less and less reason to communicate and play with others
All you can use to backup your argument is your experience. If my experience proves otherwise, that means your argument is weak and contains holes. I, on the other hand, used a proven psychological analysis as to why humans give more value to things that require an effort to obtain. Let me give you another example: If I work 10 hours per day every day so that at the end month I have enough money to buy food for my family, I value that food far more than if I could get it for free every morning.
so you are going to sit there and tell me because someone took the time to spam LFG for 30 min they are going ot be a better quality player than someone you got lumped together with a LFD tool.. it doesn't work this way sorry if that doesn't fit with your psychological analysis but I'm not sure in which reality spamming LFG requires any "effort" whatsoever. These games are designed like single player games nowadays with some group related features thrown in. If developers really want a strong community they need to develop a more group based games with some single player elements thrown in. Problem is by doing this you will end up with less overall players and in turn less money so no developer is going to do this nowadays.
Click the Social icon at the top of the screen, then click the Who tab at the bottom of the window that appears. Flag yourself as LFG and add a comment if you want.
If you're forming a group, follow the same procedure and use the very handy search function to list whatever class/location/level/whatever else you're looking for.
There is a pretty solid LFG system there already - you can't really blame Bioware if no-one is using it and would rather spam "LFG" for an hour.
you seem to have a funny way of only responding to the irrelevant parts of my responses but either way like i said it has nothing to do with how you find a group that effects and shapes a community its how the game itself is presented and how important or needed grouping really is in the game. Until you get to hard mode flashpoints most I have played don't even require much communication if any at all between players this is a problem with the design of these games which have become easier and easier and more solo friendly over the years and require less and less reason to communicate and play with others
All you can use to backup your argument is your experience. If my experience proves otherwise, that means your argument is weak and contains holes. I, on the other hand, used a proven psychological analysis as to why humans give more value to things that require an effort to obtain. Let me give you another example: If I work 10 hours per day every day so that at the end month I have enough money to buy food for my family, I value that food far more than if I could get it for free every morning.
so you are going to sit there and tell me because someone took the time to spam LFG for 30 min they are going ot be a better quality player than someone you got lumped together with a LFD tool.. it doesn't work this way sorry if that doesn't fit with your psychological analysis but I'm not sure in which reality spamming LFG requires any "effort" whatsoever. These games are designed like single player games nowadays with some group related features thrown in. If developers really want a strong community they need to develop a more group based games with some single player elements thrown in. Problem is by doing this you will end up with less overall players and in turn less money so no developer is going to do this nowadays.
Dunno what game your playing, mets some more cool cats running Daily heroics over the weekend, even found a more active fun guild in the process.
Instead of creating thread after thread trying so hard to create your own happines, why not just find another game that you will be content with.
When will you finally be satisfied? When the game has all the bells and whistles? Even if it did, I get the feeling it wouldn't be enough for you.
Click the Social icon at the top of the screen, then click the Who tab at the bottom of the window that appears. Flag yourself as LFG and add a comment if you want.
If you're forming a group, follow the same procedure and use the very handy search function to list whatever class/location/level/whatever else you're looking for.
There is a pretty solid LFG system there already - you can't really blame Bioware if no-one is using it and would rather spam "LFG" for an hour.
you can't really blame them but if the games community doesn't use the feature I feel something better is needed.
Dunno what game your playing, mets some more cool cats running Daily heroics over the weekend, even found a more active fun guild in the process.
Instead of creating thread after thread trying so hard to create your own happines, why not just find another game that you will be content with.
When will you finally be satisfied? When the game has all the bells and whistles? Even if it did, I get the feeling you it wouldn't be enough for you.
I played with a bunch of cool people as well but was any of those heroics required for you to progress through the game? My point is the games these days have more and more solo content than group content making them primarily single player games for many people which doesn't do anything but hurt an online gaming community.
On a side note why do you care so much If I play this game and don't enjoy every aspect of it? If there was another decent MMO out there I haven't played to death I would be there but whats come recently? rift and this.. I played Rift for 7 months and have no reason to play anymore.
so you are going to sit there and tell me because someone took the time to spam LFG for 30 min they are going ot be a better quality player than someone you got lumped together with a LFD tool.. it doesn't work this way sorry if that doesn't fit with your psychological analysis but I'm not sure in which reality spamming LFG requires any "effort" whatsoever. These games are designed like single player games nowadays with some group related features thrown in. If developers really want a strong community they need to develop a more group based games with some single player elements thrown in. Problem is by doing this you will end up with less overall players and in turn less money so no developer is going to do this nowadays.
Listen, getting a group with LFD is effortless, quick, and automatic. You click a button, and wait a short while. Getting a group without LFD takes time and effort. You have to constantly send messages to see if anyone is interested in playing with you.
When you use the LFD tool, there is no need to communicate because forming a group is automatic, and there is no need to invest yourself to the group, as you can easily and quickly leave and join another one. What do I mean by investing yourself to the group? I mean that you don't have to worry about teaching others how to play, you don't have to worry about giving tips, you don't have to deal with anyone that you think will somehow hamper your progress. You can simply join another group. Maintaining the group is the least of your preocupations.
When you do not have the LFD tool, you need to communicate because forming a group is not automatic. There is a need to invest yourself to the group because finding another one takes effort and is usually not quick. You learn to appreciate the people you group up with because it is something that takes effort and time to establish. You more easily accept newcomers as finding someone else to fill that newcomer's spot takes time. You become more patient not only because it takes time to form a group, but also because it takes time to get everyone adjusted into playing as a group. You feel more accomplished at the end and you are more likely to get to know the people you play with because you actually had to talk to them to form and maintain the group.
Click the Social icon at the top of the screen, then click the Who tab at the bottom of the window that appears. Flag yourself as LFG and add a comment if you want.
If you're forming a group, follow the same procedure and use the very handy search function to list whatever class/location/level/whatever else you're looking for.
There is a pretty solid LFG system there already - you can't really blame Bioware if no-one is using it and would rather spam "LFG" for an hour.
you can't really blame them but if the games community doesn't use the feature I feel something better is needed.
People are using it, just not those who are complaining because they won't.
so you are going to sit there and tell me because someone took the time to spam LFG for 30 min they are going ot be a better quality player than someone you got lumped together with a LFD tool.. it doesn't work this way sorry if that doesn't fit with your psychological analysis but I'm not sure in which reality spamming LFG requires any "effort" whatsoever. These games are designed like single player games nowadays with some group related features thrown in. If developers really want a strong community they need to develop a more group based games with some single player elements thrown in. Problem is by doing this you will end up with less overall players and in turn less money so no developer is going to do this nowadays.
Listen, getting a group with LFD is effortless, quick, and automatic. You click a button, and wait a short while. Getting a group without LFD takes time and effort. You have to constantly send messages to see if anyone is interested in playing with you.
When you use the LFD tool, there is no need to communicate because forming a group is automatic, and there is no need to invest yourself to the group, as you can easily and quickly leave and join another one. What do I mean by investing yourself to the group? I mean that you don't have to worry about teaching others how to play, you don't have to worry about giving tips, you don't have to deal with anyone that you think will somehow hamper your progress. You can simply join another group. Maintaining the group is the least of your preocupations.
When you do not have the LFD tool, you need to communicate because forming a group is not automatic. There is a need to invest yourself to the group because finding another one takes effort and is usually not quick. You learn to appreciate the people you group up with because it is something that takes effort and time to establish. You more easily accept newcomers as finding someone else to fill that newcomer's spot takes time. You become more patient not only because it takes time to form a group, but also because it takes time to get everyone adjusted into playing as a group. You feel more accomplished at the end and you are more likely to get to know the people you play with because you actually had to talk to them to form and maintain the group.
People need to get off the "ohhh you don't socialize w/ an LFD tool" high horse.
9/10 the grps I get in SWTOR have ZERO communication unless some are new to the FP and need to be advised about a boss which will happen in an LFD tool also. Which people still socialize with an LFD, I am one of em an have had numerous conversations w/ LFD parties to those that participate.
Socializing? Don't make me laugh, everyone's there to get the FP done, plain n fucking simple so don't try to suger coat it. If I wanna socialize in a grp I wouldn't even be in a PUG grp to begin with and grp w/ guildies/friends.
Patience? Well that is forces via certain points being progresses only when all members activate and item. Anyways if you join a group for a FP you better damn well be committed to the time anyways. I've had some real lame excuses asking people to wait like dinner or some crap nonesence. While you do have some asshats that are impatient but that is a rarity, majority of the time people are patient and understanding.
Click the Social icon at the top of the screen, then click the Who tab at the bottom of the window that appears. Flag yourself as LFG and add a comment if you want.
If you're forming a group, follow the same procedure and use the very handy search function to list whatever class/location/level/whatever else you're looking for.
There is a pretty solid LFG system there already - you can't really blame Bioware if no-one is using it and would rather spam "LFG" for an hour.
Except for the glaring fact that it's no global...
Well it is global in the sence you will have to type search every friggin zone.
if it is lf something i do hope they dont auto teleport like in wow i hate it!i want people to go the fucking place .if you teleport the world is a shell you dont see anybody goinfg and coming the game looks like a guost shell.if you want instant play league of legend
if it is lf something i do hope they dont auto teleport like in wow i hate it!i want people to go the fucking place .if you teleport the world is a shell you dont see anybody goinfg and coming the game looks like a guost shell.if you want instant play league of legend
This.
+ if people need to travel then in instance they do care more. (at least bigger % do) cause they cannot drop group and be in same place they were and auto-teleport to next instance.
I was in few games before and after intorduction of auto-queueing and auto-teleporting tools and it hurt overall experience.
Ghost zones + people care less because they invested less. Simple psychological fact.
So many people have been defending how great it is this game has no LFD tool and how great it is to build the community and everything. Now I'm talking the game needs a SAME server LFD tool here not cross server.. anyway this is what chat has become and it's what I been saying all along and why these type of games really need a same server LFD tool. I can't even hold a useful conversation with people in general chat because of this crap is spammed non -stop
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Thats why you go to your fleet
If you want to be able to farm mats and just teleport to dungeons there are plenty of mmos that do this and honestly imo it doesnt help a community come together. You can do it with warzones which is silly enough but thats just me i guess. Ive played these types of games for a long time so chatting in various channels to get things done is part of the enjoyment for me.
even if we get everyone to move to LFG channel you are still in the same issue people are just going to sit there and spam LFG it builds nothing for the community and is just waisting peoples time.. I don't want to repeat myself again but my feelings on why communities in these games have been failing is because of the reasons I posted in previous few posts and is nothing to do with how you put together a group
You can convince yourself that convenience = better communities but in my experiences it breeds complacency. Agree to disagree I guess.
I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his lot by all possible means - except by getting off his back.
If everyone who would want to do something in a group use the LFG function and write in there comments what they wanted to do all we would need to make this work would be a good search function that actually allows us to search for all ppls lfg for instance 01.
That would be the best way you nwould get the easy fast possibility to get groups without the community destroying effect of an auto-LFG tool.
All you can use to backup your argument is your experience. If my experience proves otherwise, that means your argument is weak and contains holes. I, on the other hand, used a proven psychological analysis as to why humans give more value to things that require an effort to obtain. Let me give you another example: If I work 10 hours per day every day so that at the end month I have enough money to buy food for my family, I value that food far more than if I could get it for free every morning.
read what I wrote to stealthbr it has nothing to do with convienence the games themselves were designed to develop this sort of anti-social community. Has nothing at all to do with LFD tool.. but I still can't see how you guys can sit there with a straight face and say people spamming LFG in general chat or a LFG channel is community building.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
umm this is already in the game.. just almost no one uses it.. i guess you can't really call it a "good" search function but a search function is there
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
I don't see the problem. General chat is being used by different people looking for groups rather than the typical trolling bs. If you want to have a conversation take it to whispers. Personally, I would rather see general chat spammed with people looking for groups than other bs. The only downside to this is that people may not be able to get responses to their questions being asked. A group chat channel should be implemented but that will leave the general chat open to trolls again.
I keep my chat window closed just because of my past experiences with the community in mmos. If it's not closed it's only open to group/whisper chat only.
You can convince yourself that convenience = better communities but in my experiences it breeds complacency. Agree to disagree I guess.
read what I wrote to stealthbr it has nothing to do with convienence the games themselves were designed to develop this sort of anti-social community. Has nothing at all to do with LFD tool.. but I still can't see how you guys can sit there with a straight face and say people spamming LFG in general chat or a LFG channel is community building.
spam is never community building. not sure where you got the impression that I said that. However, creating various chat channels for different interests and people using them accordingly, is. I dunno, maybe there are certain communication skills being lost on newer generations.
I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his lot by all possible means - except by getting off his back.
so you are going to sit there and tell me because someone took the time to spam LFG for 30 min they are going ot be a better quality player than someone you got lumped together with a LFD tool.. it doesn't work this way sorry if that doesn't fit with your psychological analysis but I'm not sure in which reality spamming LFG requires any "effort" whatsoever. These games are designed like single player games nowadays with some group related features thrown in. If developers really want a strong community they need to develop a more group based games with some single player elements thrown in. Problem is by doing this you will end up with less overall players and in turn less money so no developer is going to do this nowadays.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
Click the Social icon at the top of the screen, then click the Who tab at the bottom of the window that appears. Flag yourself as LFG and add a comment if you want.
If you're forming a group, follow the same procedure and use the very handy search function to list whatever class/location/level/whatever else you're looking for.
There is a pretty solid LFG system there already - you can't really blame Bioware if no-one is using it and would rather spam "LFG" for an hour.
Dunno what game your playing, mets some more cool cats running Daily heroics over the weekend, even found a more active fun guild in the process.
Instead of creating thread after thread trying so hard to create your own happines, why not just find another game that you will be content with.
When will you finally be satisfied? When the game has all the bells and whistles? Even if it did, I get the feeling it wouldn't be enough for you.
you can't really blame them but if the games community doesn't use the feature I feel something better is needed.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
Add in Dual specc, ui customization and the rest i can handle, swtor is just to much fun so many details that make it awsome.
I played with a bunch of cool people as well but was any of those heroics required for you to progress through the game? My point is the games these days have more and more solo content than group content making them primarily single player games for many people which doesn't do anything but hurt an online gaming community.
On a side note why do you care so much If I play this game and don't enjoy every aspect of it? If there was another decent MMO out there I haven't played to death I would be there but whats come recently? rift and this.. I played Rift for 7 months and have no reason to play anymore.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
Listen, getting a group with LFD is effortless, quick, and automatic. You click a button, and wait a short while. Getting a group without LFD takes time and effort. You have to constantly send messages to see if anyone is interested in playing with you.
When you use the LFD tool, there is no need to communicate because forming a group is automatic, and there is no need to invest yourself to the group, as you can easily and quickly leave and join another one. What do I mean by investing yourself to the group? I mean that you don't have to worry about teaching others how to play, you don't have to worry about giving tips, you don't have to deal with anyone that you think will somehow hamper your progress. You can simply join another group. Maintaining the group is the least of your preocupations.
When you do not have the LFD tool, you need to communicate because forming a group is not automatic. There is a need to invest yourself to the group because finding another one takes effort and is usually not quick. You learn to appreciate the people you group up with because it is something that takes effort and time to establish. You more easily accept newcomers as finding someone else to fill that newcomer's spot takes time. You become more patient not only because it takes time to form a group, but also because it takes time to get everyone adjusted into playing as a group. You feel more accomplished at the end and you are more likely to get to know the people you play with because you actually had to talk to them to form and maintain the group.
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The Secret World - Dragons
Planetside 2 - Terran Republic
Tera - Dragonfall Server
http://www.shadowshand.com
People are using it, just not those who are complaining because they won't.
That is if you are in a guild.
There are no server forums to find guilds on ones server besides general chat who are by a rule should be dealth with skepticism at best.
There are zero reliable tools to search a good guild out.
People need to get off the "ohhh you don't socialize w/ an LFD tool" high horse.
9/10 the grps I get in SWTOR have ZERO communication unless some are new to the FP and need to be advised about a boss which will happen in an LFD tool also. Which people still socialize with an LFD, I am one of em an have had numerous conversations w/ LFD parties to those that participate.
Socializing? Don't make me laugh, everyone's there to get the FP done, plain n fucking simple so don't try to suger coat it. If I wanna socialize in a grp I wouldn't even be in a PUG grp to begin with and grp w/ guildies/friends.
Patience? Well that is forces via certain points being progresses only when all members activate and item. Anyways if you join a group for a FP you better damn well be committed to the time anyways. I've had some real lame excuses asking people to wait like dinner or some crap nonesence. While you do have some asshats that are impatient but that is a rarity, majority of the time people are patient and understanding.
Just got game should I roll healer or tank to get groups easily ?
Except for the glaring fact that it's no global...
Well it is global in the sence you will have to type search every friggin zone.
Same server LFG tool and NOT auto-queue + auto teleport BUT
- TOOL similar to DDO one
what is lfd
if it is lf something i do hope they dont auto teleport like in wow i hate it!i want people to go the fucking place .if you teleport the world is a shell you dont see anybody goinfg and coming the game looks like a guost shell.if you want instant play league of legend
This.
+ if people need to travel then in instance they do care more. (at least bigger % do) cause they cannot drop group and be in same place they were and auto-teleport to next instance.
I was in few games before and after intorduction of auto-queueing and auto-teleporting tools and it hurt overall experience.
Ghost zones + people care less because they invested less. Simple psychological fact.
That is obviously an LFG channel, not a channel for chater. Get yourself a new one for chit chat.