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  • sanosukexsanosukex Member Posts: 1,836

    Originally posted by w005crj

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    agreed I just can't see how people don't realise having a LFD in this type a game does nothing but help the game as well as get and keep more people.. doesn't matter how you feel personally about a LFD tool in the end it will only help the game. I'm sure it will get added at some point but by then may be little too late.. I dunno..

  • GMan3GMan3 Member CommonPosts: 2,127

    Originally posted by itgrowls

    Riiight Danny because they all need to do what the devs got paid to do but failed to put into the game. There's only one thing wrong with his server and it's the same as every other server. they don't have even a simple LOTRO LFG system. LOTRO did go to a more WoW style however when i mention lotro i mean the one that only matched you up with people, it didn't teleport you or autogroup you it simply showed you who was available and what they wanted.

    Sad when a game doesn't deliver right?

        Actually, there is a pretty simple LFG / LFD tool in this game.  Found it about 5 minutes into my first day.  Unfortunately, most people are using the chat instead of the LFG.  That is the fault of the players, not the developers.

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  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Member CommonPosts: 10,910


    Originally posted by GMan3

    Originally posted by itgrowls
    Riiight Danny because they all need to do what the devs got paid to do but failed to put into the game. There's only one thing wrong with his server and it's the same as every other server. they don't have even a simple LOTRO LFG system. LOTRO did go to a more WoW style however when i mention lotro i mean the one that only matched you up with people, it didn't teleport you or autogroup you it simply showed you who was available and what they wanted.
    Sad when a game doesn't deliver right?
        Actually, there is a pretty simple LFG tool in this game.  Found it about 5 minutes into my first day.  Unfortunately, most people are using the chat instead of the LFG.  That is the fault of the players, not the developers.



    No...the LFG 'flag' is a weak solution. If people aren't using it, the developer didn't do it right.

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  • GMan3GMan3 Member CommonPosts: 2,127

    Originally posted by lizardbones

     




    Originally posted by GMan3





    Originally posted by itgrowls

    Riiight Danny because they all need to do what the devs got paid to do but failed to put into the game. There's only one thing wrong with his server and it's the same as every other server. they don't have even a simple LOTRO LFG system. LOTRO did go to a more WoW style however when i mention lotro i mean the one that only matched you up with people, it didn't teleport you or autogroup you it simply showed you who was available and what they wanted.

    Sad when a game doesn't deliver right?






        Actually, there is a pretty simple LFG / LFD tool in this game.  Found it about 5 minutes into my first day.  Unfortunately, most people are using the chat instead of the LFG.  That is the fault of the players, not the developers.







    No...the LFG 'flag' is a weak solution. If people aren't using it, the developer didn't do it right.

     

        If people are not using it, it is there own laziness.  I use it a lot and it works great.  Would a more involved system be better?  Maybe, but it isn't necessary unless you are too lazy to actually do a LITTLE bit of work.  I mean seriously, is a few clicks and typing a few words really that hard?

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  • BarCrowBarCrow Member UncommonPosts: 2,195

    They do have a general LFG tool. One of the tabs on the social panel shows whos around...on planet..in your area..whatever. If someone has an icon that looks like a group of purple people next to their name then they are LFG. There is even a comment section so you can see details..usually what they are looking for or need to finish a group or for what quests/flashpoint/etc they are grouping. I use it frequently. I also use chat but have recieved many replys or tells from using the tool.

    EDIT: I see this was addressed. It might be more correct then..to say this game has a LFG tool does not meet ones satisfaction. Rather than saying it has none what-so-ever.

  • udonudon Member UncommonPosts: 1,803

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    I can see one very big reason not to have a LFG tool.  It would kill open world grouping up for content.  If a LFG tool existed people would either be soloing or queued up for instances.  All those 2 and 4 man quests that are scattered out in the zones would go unused except for premades.

  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Member CommonPosts: 10,910


    Originally posted by udon

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    I can see one very big reason not to have a LFG tool.  It would kill open world grouping up for content.  If a LFG tool existed people would either be soloing or queued up for instances.  All those 2 and 4 man quests that are scattered out in the zones would go unused except for premades.



    Presumably the Heroic quests would be included in a LFG tool, since they are all quest based. Anyone on the same quests could be grouped together.

    I would assume that a LFG tool is going to show up. If for no other reason than it's kind of expected. That doesn't mean it's going to be a queuing system the same way the queues for War fronts are setup though. Nobody has any idea what form it's going to take. It could be something that simply does information gathering for you (who is on the same quests as you, who wants to do the same Flash Points as you, etc.) and the rest of it is up to the players.

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  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Member CommonPosts: 10,910


    Originally posted by GMan3

    Originally posted by lizardbones
     


    Originally posted by GMan3



    Originally posted by itgrowls
    Riiight Danny because they all need to do what the devs got paid to do but failed to put into the game. There's only one thing wrong with his server and it's the same as every other server. they don't have even a simple LOTRO LFG system. LOTRO did go to a more WoW style however when i mention lotro i mean the one that only matched you up with people, it didn't teleport you or autogroup you it simply showed you who was available and what they wanted.
    Sad when a game doesn't deliver right?


        Actually, there is a pretty simple LFG / LFD tool in this game.  Found it about 5 minutes into my first day.  Unfortunately, most people are using the chat instead of the LFG.  That is the fault of the players, not the developers.





    No...the LFG 'flag' is a weak solution. If people aren't using it, the developer didn't do it right.
     


        If people are not using it, it is there own laziness.  I use it a lot and it works great.  Would a more involved system be better?  Maybe, but it isn't necessary unless you are too lazy to actually do a LITTLE bit of work.  I mean seriously, is a few clicks and typing a few words really that hard?



    If I create an Ice Cream Sunday that is as awesome as an Ice Cream Sunday can get, but nobody wants to use it, then I've done something wrong. If nobody is using Bioware's LFG flag in the /who window, then Bioware has done something wrong. If they want people to use it, they need to make it something that people want to use.

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  • GibboniciGibbonici Member UncommonPosts: 472

    Originally posted by lizardbones

     




    Originally posted by GMan3





    Originally posted by lizardbones

     








    Originally posted by GMan3










    Originally posted by itgrowls

    Riiight Danny because they all need to do what the devs got paid to do but failed to put into the game. There's only one thing wrong with his server and it's the same as every other server. they don't have even a simple LOTRO LFG system. LOTRO did go to a more WoW style however when i mention lotro i mean the one that only matched you up with people, it didn't teleport you or autogroup you it simply showed you who was available and what they wanted.

    Sad when a game doesn't deliver right?










        Actually, there is a pretty simple LFG / LFD tool in this game.  Found it about 5 minutes into my first day.  Unfortunately, most people are using the chat instead of the LFG.  That is the fault of the players, not the developers.












    No...the LFG 'flag' is a weak solution. If people aren't using it, the developer didn't do it right.

     






        If people are not using it, it is there own laziness.  I use it a lot and it works great.  Would a more involved system be better?  Maybe, but it isn't necessary unless you are too lazy to actually do a LITTLE bit of work.  I mean seriously, is a few clicks and typing a few words really that hard?







    If I create an Ice Cream Sunday that is as awesome as an Ice Cream Sunday can get, but nobody wants to use it, then I've done something wrong. If nobody is using Bioware's LFG flag in the /who window, then Bioware has done something wrong. If they want people to use it, they need to make it something that people want to use.

     



    I think most people don't know about it and it's as simple as that. A similar (if less flexible) system helped make CoX one of the most team-active games around, so it can and does work. All it takes is for people to flag themselves and group leaders to run a couple of searches - it's totally painless. In fact there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to not flag yourself while spamming LFG in chat at the same time.

     

    Mind you there's no reason that four people should be spamming LFG in chat more than once either. I guess it shows that there's a less than 25% chance that any given gamer will have any initiative, which is a shame because it just confirms what the rest of the world thinks of us ;)

     

    Anyway, where Bioware went wrong with TOR's LFG tool is not pointing out its existence anywhere in the game. That early mission you get to buy the Social badge thingy really, really should have a little bit of text that explains the the LFG tool.

  • synnsynn Member UncommonPosts: 563

    having no lfg tool is neither hurting or helping the community. Yeah you got a bunch of spam with players lfg...who really cares? is this really hurting your gaming experience? most players use guild chat anyway. the only thing i see usually is ppl lfg or trying to sell stuff.

  • xKingdomxxKingdomx Member UncommonPosts: 1,541

    They just need to automate the ENTIRE process right?

     

    Down to making the group for them, and teleport them to the instance/group

    Because 90% of MMO players are lazy as that

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  • teakboisteakbois Member Posts: 2,154

    Those who can, do

    Those who can not, spam LFG in channels and bitch that theres no lfd tool

     

     

     

  • w005crjw005crj Member Posts: 19

    Originally posted by teakbois

    Those who can, do

    Those who can not, spam LFG in channels and bitch that theres no lfd tool

     

     

     

    Trust me in a themepark like this, no one can nor will ever do. Period.

    The golden age of MMORPG's are long gone.

     

  • teakboisteakbois Member Posts: 2,154

    Originally posted by w005crj

    Originally posted by teakbois

    Those who can, do

    Those who can not, spam LFG in channels and bitch that theres no lfd tool

     

     

     

    Trust me in a themepark like this, no one can nor will ever do. Period.

     

    Funny, I extremely rarely have any issues forming, or joining, a group.  Its so easy to do in SWTOR, and thats without people using the proper tools.  If people actually used what they gve you it would be even easier.

  • sanosukexsanosukex Member Posts: 1,836

    Originally posted by teakbois

    Funny, I extremely rarely have any issues forming, or joining, a group.  Its so easy to do in SWTOR, and thats without people using the proper tools.  If people actually used what they gve you it would be even easier.

    obviously no one should have issues grouping the game just came out give it time issues will come and I bet some sort of LFD will get implemented.. for me I in a way got used to Rifts system and honestly never had a single issue with it. Most everyone I grouped with using the system was pretty polite and for the most part helpful towards people who were new or never did the dungeon before. If someone went linkdead we waited a little while got a drink and if they still didn't return it was simple just que up for a replacement. The system worked and it worked well. I still grouped mostly with my guildmates but if they weren't on or I just had maybe an hour to play I could still get one dungeon it most of the time. I honestly can't believe how defensive people are getting over this and why people really feel it's such a big deal to see people would enjoy this in this type of game and it would benefit the game greatly.

  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183

    Originally posted by sanosukex

    Originally posted by Paragus1

    Anyone who is seriously trying to defend the lack of a tool that has been a positive staple in countless MMO's before it needs to check into a rehab and detox from the kool-aid.  It doesn't build community, it's just lazy on the part of the devs and they are trying to spin it into some sort of absurd notion to try to justify or cover it up.  This is right up there (almost) with FFXIV trying to defend their lack of an Auction House when they practically invented the mechanic in FFXI and it went on to be one of those MMO staples we expect in a modern game.

    thank you.. not sure why this is such a hard concept for people to realize.....

    No, just no... It doesn't work this way, as I said before there are two parties here, those who want this, and those who do not want their MMO's becoming lobbies.

    A debate about which is better is perfectly understandable, an argument that those who do not want the latter "are on something" is nothing but bait.

    There's no point made there, only an attempt to deligitimize those on the other side of the issue. He definitely failed in that.

    If anything this has been a controversial addition to MMO's; many feel it takes the world out of the equation , which is a perfectly legitimate argument.

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  • haibanehaibane Member Posts: 178

    Originally posted by sanosukex

    So many people have been defending how great it is this game has no LFD tool and how great it is to build the community and everything. Now I'm talking the game needs a SAME server LFD tool here not cross server.. anyway this is what chat has become and it's what I been saying all along and why these type of games really need a same server LFD tool. I can't even hold a useful conversation with people in general chat because of this crap is spammed non -stop

     

    http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/6750/swtor2012010919254110.png

     

     

     

    Same mess in the tomb (highest pop in EU), between spanish chat (maybe it'd be time they got their own server) and LFG it's pointless to say anything in general chat, most people turn it off if they aren't LFG for a FP or something.

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  • drbaltazardrbaltazar Member UncommonPosts: 7,856

    Originally posted by Torvaldr

    Originally posted by teakbois


    Originally posted by w005crj


    Originally posted by teakbois

    Those who can, do

    Those who can not, spam LFG in channels and bitch that theres no lfd tool

    Trust me in a themepark like this, no one can nor will ever do. Period.

    Funny, I extremely rarely have any issues forming, or joining, a group.  Its so easy to do in SWTOR, and thats without people using the proper tools.  If people actually used what they gve you it would be even easier.

    Well it will be interesting to see how this works for you and the rest a year from now when the honeymoon period is over.  I know it didn't work very good for LotRO or EQ2.  Maybe this game has more relaxed grouping requirements than those games though.

    It seems self-defeating to tell people that what they have is good enough.  If people don't like it they will move on.  I know I wouldn't play a game, especially not a themepark, that doesn't make grouping easy and fun.  This tool doesn't seem to do either.

    between swtor or all the themepark game in all social media ,some will feel the lesser evil is swtor!but as we know in these fight witch game is better or worst you never see social media fighting in this ? why? easy everytime we bicker here the only winner is the social media game ,they almost always get the player if an arguing break out!so wow, doesn get them ,nether any title tyou can come up they go to social game!

  • itgrowlsitgrowls Member Posts: 2,951

    Originally posted by GMan3

    Originally posted by itgrowls

    Riiight Danny because they all need to do what the devs got paid to do but failed to put into the game. There's only one thing wrong with his server and it's the same as every other server. they don't have even a simple LOTRO LFG system. LOTRO did go to a more WoW style however when i mention lotro i mean the one that only matched you up with people, it didn't teleport you or autogroup you it simply showed you who was available and what they wanted.

    Sad when a game doesn't deliver right?

        Actually, there is a pretty simple LFG / LFD tool in this game.  Found it about 5 minutes into my first day.  Unfortunately, most people are using the chat instead of the LFG.  That is the fault of the players, not the developers.

    Actually no, what they are using is an archaic form of searching for a group tested and failed by every mmo game out there with any kind of huge population, EVERY single one of the early ones converted to a LFD tool and some of them made those tools cross server. Now you can argue all day that the players are at fault but if it's true they spent 300m on this game to dev it that combined with the fact of oh i dunno the YEAR we live in proves my other points on other forums about these DEVs not learning from the problems of EVERY OTHER MMO OUT THERE and this is just yet another example of how their game is FAIL. it is fail because they paid about as much attention to history of mmos as Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann paid to American history and it's fail because the devs were lazy despite the huge amount of cash thrown in their direction because even without an exact figure it's absolutely certain it was huge because it was Lucas Arts and EA.

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,952

    Originally posted by teakbois

    Originally posted by w005crj


    Originally posted by teakbois

    Those who can, do

    Those who can not, spam LFG in channels and bitch that theres no lfd tool

     

     

     

    Trust me in a themepark like this, no one can nor will ever do. Period.

     

    Funny, I extremely rarely have any issues forming, or joining, a group.  Its so easy to do in SWTOR, and thats without people using the proper tools.  If people actually used what they gve you it would be even easier.

    such as... speaking to people.

    tonight i was with three clannies and we were doing a heroic. Someone was just in the area and one of our guys said "see if he'll join us". As I was writing the request he asked us "can I join you"?

    Sure!

    We finished the quest with all the bonus stuff and in spite of one of our group disconnecting and having us to the last part all over again.

    no tool, not anything but players talking to players and players helping each other out. It was a good evening of game play.

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  • itgrowlsitgrowls Member Posts: 2,951

    Originally posted by teakbois

    Originally posted by w005crj


    Originally posted by teakbois

    Those who can, do

    Those who can not, spam LFG in channels and bitch that theres no lfd tool

     

     

     

    Trust me in a themepark like this, no one can nor will ever do. Period.

     

    Funny, I extremely rarely have any issues forming, or joining, a group.  Its so easy to do in SWTOR, and thats without people using the proper tools.  If people actually used what they gve you it would be even easier.

    probably because unlike the LARGER number of players you have friends who are available at any time to fill at least most of the roles and don't get me started on the holy trinity it's just as old and antiquated as their sorry excuse for a LFG tool.

  • Zeal77Zeal77 Member Posts: 158

    Dude, dozens of great MMO's have been goin on for many years with no LFD. I would suggest going back to WoW.

  • sanosukexsanosukex Member Posts: 1,836

    Originally posted by Distopia

    Originally posted by sanosukex


    Originally posted by Paragus1

    Anyone who is seriously trying to defend the lack of a tool that has been a positive staple in countless MMO's before it needs to check into a rehab and detox from the kool-aid.  It doesn't build community, it's just lazy on the part of the devs and they are trying to spin it into some sort of absurd notion to try to justify or cover it up.  This is right up there (almost) with FFXIV trying to defend their lack of an Auction House when they practically invented the mechanic in FFXI and it went on to be one of those MMO staples we expect in a modern game.

    thank you.. not sure why this is such a hard concept for people to realize.....

    No, just no... It doesn't work this way, as I said before there are two parties here, those who want this, and those who do not want their MMO's becoming lobbies.

    A debate about which is better is perfectly understandable, an argument that those who do not want the latter "are on something" is nothing but bait.

    There's no point made there, only an attempt to deligitimize those on the other side of the issue. He definitely failed in that.

    If anything this has been a controversial addition to MMO's; many feel it takes the world out of the equation , which is a perfectly legitimate argument.

    this game is as close to a lobby game as you can get without actually being a full lobby game so don't try to kid yourself otherwise.

  • sanosukexsanosukex Member Posts: 1,836

    Originally posted by itgrowls

    Funny, I extremely rarely have any issues forming, or joining, a group.  Its so easy to do in SWTOR, and thats without people using the proper tools.  If people actually used what they gve you it would be even easier.

    probably because unlike the LARGER number of players you have friends who are available at any time to fill at least most of the roles and don't get me started on the holy trinity it's just as old and antiquated as their sorry excuse for a LFG tool.

    holy trinity and talent trees I feel is the worst part of this game by far.. but honestly I feel complaining about that will do no good because I don't see them revamping any of that anytime soon or ever for that matter. But little stuff like LFD and a better LFG tool should be no issue for them.

  • sanosukexsanosukex Member Posts: 1,836

    Originally posted by Zeal77

    Dude, dozens of great MMO's have been goin on for many years with no LFD. I would suggest going back to WoW.

    post like this make me wonder if people even realise this is a subscription based game and not just some single player game. It's overall success depends on retaining players not driving them back to wow or rift or whatever. On top of that this is not a game breaking issue here(for now at least) so just that should should for the most part at least show the game was made pretty well if this is the type of stuff people are complaining about... now I could go on all day about the class systewm and talent trees but feel it would do no good but stuff like this is easily implemented and can and will help this type of themepark MMO. Themepark MMOs are all about streamlining and making the game fun and more accessible. I really don't see how people can argue spamming chat or forcing yourself to just group with guild mates since you turned off general chat is any sort of solution to the issue. It's a simple feature used in most every big MMO out and it's something currently lacking from an overall pretty well made game and I really can't see it not going in sooner or later but I'm lobbying for sooner instead of later

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