I'm just glad all the seething pessimists wont be buying it! I'd much rather have a community that sees it for what it is than sees their opinion of it through their perspective of fear and could be's.
Thanks for keeping the negative nancies out, Anet! The community is better for it! Let's just hope they stick to their guns and never try it.
I'm just glad all the seething pessimists wont be buying it! I'd much rather have a community that sees it for what it is than sees their opinion of it through their perspective of fear and could be's.
Thanks for keeping the negative nancies out, Anet! The community is better for it! Let's just hope they stick to their guns and never try it.
yeah anyone who disgarees with cash shop model is a pessimist and negative nancies. Oh the irony.
Missing out a potentialy great game because of cash shop which isn't even P2W is a shame.
Destroying a possibly great game by implementing a pay2win cash shop is a shame.
GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind" 1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN 2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements
Originally posted by Thupli I'm just glad all the seething pessimists wont be buying it! I'd much rather have a community that sees it for what it is than sees their opinion of it through their perspective of fear and could be's.
Thanks for keeping the negative nancies out, Anet! The community is better for it! Let's just hope they stick to their guns and never try it.
This is my point about being "corrected" or shown the "error of our ways" While much more moderate than some, it's still the same.
Somewhere, they judge "I don't want a cash shop in this game" to be "Seething Pessimist"
Missing out a potentialy great game because of cash shop which isn't even P2W is a shame.
They wont. If the cash shop isn't truely a problem. Once the game is released if its a big hit most of the people who are frustrated or worried will come on down. However if it is a problem, they'll hear all about that too and any other issues and will avoid it as is their right.
Some people will never touch the game. There are probably few that get worried and over react. People are used to getting jipped and nickel and dimed these days so reaction to even a possibility of that are extreme and sometimes thats really justified. But if the game is great, and the shop isnt that big of an issue, those worries can melt and we can all just enjoy ourselves.
people get all worried over nothing these days. I just love that most of the people who are worried about this cash shop were perfectly fine paying a monthly fee to play the beta launch of SWTOR.
Missing out a potentialy great game because of cash shop which isn't even P2W is a shame.
Destroying a possibly great game by implementing a pay2win cash shop is a shame.
Can't even give a reason using GW 2's mechanics why it's p2w.
You can give out a korean p2w mechanic because of the grinds and slow leveling but please for the love of God let's discuss these(In GW2) mechanics and p2w.
"Well exp boost levels gains in wvwvw." - For an hour, is it gear base because level 80 can't even 1 hit k.o a level 2.
"Well what about resurrection stones and kits?" - You should have team mates, they are your ressurection stones, instant travel for kits, and last but not least you can't use ressurection kits for pvp or wvwvw. You could buy kits with 60 silver based on the static price for gems. Do you need em no not really, and who said they weren't in game, since you'll be able to get em any way.
"Well what about this possible ability to be rich in game and buy WvWvW blue stamps." Supply and you can't buy supply.
"Well what about Guild things." 5 gold and they are on a cool down.
"Well they sell convience items I can win with those." Nah not really can't even do so in pve you scale in everything, gear is level base, gear scales with you, yet you'll need transmution stones to make it stronger.
Can be obtained in game as well.
"Well what if I need..." You don't need shit unless you [want] it, limits, and cool downs. Mechanics negate p2w, cash shop negates time to win, can you play and be a better contrivuton than a guy who uses rl money? Yes you can.
Is it possible to do so vice versa you can
So if both are able to be useful then what does that mean? Oh shit it's equal and once again "So it doesn't work like korean and wow like games?" That's their reasoning of showing game mechanics first and cash shop last, in hopes people would see and understand the mechanics before cash shop.
"Well how do you know this?" Well how does your ignorant ass know it's pay 2 win?
So in the end why are we both preaching the opposite?
Time will tell better than what we say but just like what's going on we going to balance these assumptions.
As of right now it's not pay 2 win.
Take care of yourself and enjoy life.
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
I'm just glad all the seething pessimists wont be buying it! I'd much rather have a community that sees it for what it is than sees their opinion of it through their perspective of fear and could be's.
Thanks for keeping the negative nancies out, Anet! The community is better for it! Let's just hope they stick to their guns and never try it.
This is my point about being "corrected" or shown the "error of our ways"
While much more moderate than some, it's still the same.
Somewhere, they judge "I don't want a cash shop in this game" to be "Seething Pessimist"
BUT......only where GW2 is concerned.
LOL
Naw, you take it to the level of "it WILL ruin the game". Not once have you only said "it COULD be bad, and I would prefer it not to be".
Nope, you have always made the conclusion.
So yes, you are pessimistic, seething, and fearful. That's ok, I'm fine with you staying out! You'd be much more of a contribution to another game with more people like you. Whatever you find, I hope you enjoy it.
like i said before, i planned to play this game, and i still will ... i could even consider buying something nice from the shop... it just became to me as a bit of disapointment that they went with the cs but then again i think its great idea if you think it from the companys side. besides, it felt crazy to even think the game would be just buy-to-play to begin with
I'm just glad all the seething pessimists wont be buying it! I'd much rather have a community that sees it for what it is than sees their opinion of it through their perspective of fear and could be's.
Thanks for keeping the negative nancies out, Anet! The community is better for it! Let's just hope they stick to their guns and never try it.
This is my point about being "corrected" or shown the "error of our ways"
While much more moderate than some, it's still the same.
Somewhere, they judge "I don't want a cash shop in this game" to be "Seething Pessimist"
BUT......only where GW2 is concerned.
LOL
Naw, you take it to the level of "it will ruin the game". Not once have you only said "it COULD be bad, and I would prefer it not to be".
Nope, you have always made the conclusion.
So yes, you are pessimistic, seething, and fearful. That's ok, I'm fine with you staying out! You'd be much more of a contribution to another game with more people like you. Whatever you find, I hope you enjoy it.
And I would prefer to play a game that wasn't full of lemmings that just accepted whatever the developer throws at you while saying "Thank you sir may I have another!"
The cash shop, in the current form leaked from the beta, is a disgrace.
GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind" 1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN 2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements
Missing out a potentialy great game because of cash shop which isn't even P2W is a shame.
Destroying a possibly great game by implementing a pay2win cash shop is a shame.
Can't even give a reason using GW 2's mechanics why it's p2w.
You can give out a korean p2w mechanic because of the grinds and slow leveling but please for the love of God let's discuss these(In GW2) mechanics and p2w.
If you're a company that sells XP boosts in your shop, how do you sell more?
If you're a company that sells health pots, how do you sell more?
It has nothing to do with P2W it has to do with the quality of the game. It has to do with them fucking with mechanics in the background to make cash shop sales.
Every one is affected, it doens't matter whether or not you spend a dime.
To sell more XP you introduce a reason that people would need to accelerate their XP gain. These are game wide changes. Turbine killed a specific materials drop to open a hole in their armor progression and sell that piece of armor in their store. It affects subs as well as free players. This is how you make money in a F2P game. The whole underlying mechanic becomes an engine to get people to the cash shop - to make their money. Without a cash shop, games make money via subscription. To keep subscriptions you make things fun. The game engine is used for that purpose, not to drive microtransactions.
Originally posted by Corehaven Originally posted by thedarkess Missing out a potentialy great game because of cash shop which isn't even P2W is a shame.
They wont. If the cash shop isn't truely a problem. Once the game is released if its a big hit most of the people who are frustrated or worried will come on down. However if it is a problem, they'll hear all about that too and any other issues and will avoid it as is their right.
Some people will never touch the game. There are probably few that get worried and over react. People are used to getting jipped and nickel and dimed these days so reaction to even a possibility of that are extreme and sometimes thats really justified. But if the game is great, and the shop isnt that big of an issue, those worries can melt and we can all just enjoy ourselves.
So we'll just have to see won't we.
What are you thinking coming in here with a logical well thought out post? This is the Internet! Stop making sense...my head hurts now.
Missing out a potentialy great game because of cash shop which isn't even P2W is a shame.
Destroying a possibly great game by implementing a pay2win cash shop is a shame.
Can't even give a reason using GW 2's mechanics why it's p2w.
You can give out a korean p2w mechanic because of the grinds and slow leveling but please for the love of God let's discuss these(In GW2) mechanics and p2w.
If you're a company that sells XP boosts in your shop, how do you sell more?
If you're a company that sells health pots, how do you sell more?
It has nothing to do with P2W it has to do with the quality of the game. It has to do with them fucking with mechanics in the background to make cash shop sales.
Every one is affected, it doens't matter whether or not you spend a dime.
To sell more XP you introduce a reason that people would need to accelerate their XP gain. These are game wide changes. Turbine killed a specific materials drop to open a hole in their armor progression and sell that piece of armor in their store. This is how you make money in a F2P game. The whole underlying mechanic becomes an engine to get people to the cash shop - to make their money. Without a cash shop, games make money via subscription. To keep subscriptions you make things fun. The game engine is used for that purpose, not to drive microtransactions.
Exactly. Although I wouldn't be surprised if they pull back on some of these pay2win items at launch just because of this uproar. But they have now showed their hand. At best they will just sucker as many initial box sales as possible before re-implementing the disgraceful beta items. And then their imagination will create even more and more.
That manifesto is burning in a dumpster somewhere now...
GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind" 1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN 2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements
You can call me a lemming if you like, but until we see it in released form, I will trust Anet when they say "It wont be p2w". You're like a bird changing its song:
"It's pay to win"
"well, if it isn't pay to win, it's a disgrace"
"well, gosh, I just dont like it"
Your call, but I'm glad you wont be playing! Bye bye!
Originally posted by Thupli Originally posted by GeeTeeEffOh
Originally posted by Thupli I'm just glad all the seething pessimists wont be buying it! I'd much rather have a community that sees it for what it is than sees their opinion of it through their perspective of fear and could be's.
Thanks for keeping the negative nancies out, Anet! The community is better for it! Let's just hope they stick to their guns and never try it.
This is my point about being "corrected" or shown the "error of our ways" While much more moderate than some, it's still the same. Somewhere, they judge "I don't want a cash shop in this game" to be "Seething Pessimist" BUT......only where GW2 is concerned. LOL Naw, you take it to the level of "it WILL ruin the game". Not once have you only said "it COULD be bad, and I would prefer it not to be".
Nope, you have always made the conclusion.
So yes, you are pessimistic, seething, and fearful. That's ok, I'm fine with you staying out! You'd be much more of a contribution to another game with more people like you. Whatever you find, I hope you enjoy it.
I can't lie, I believe the CS will ruin it. So yes, you are correct then.
You can call me a lemming if you like, but until we see it in released form, I will trust Anet when they say "It wont be p2w".
Your call, but I'm glad you wont be playing! Bye bye!
You are beginning to sound like a broken record now. Although people have as much right as to be skeptical about cash shop as much you have the right to blindly believe what Anet says. i have no idea at what point your belief became better or superior than others.
I'm just glad all the seething pessimists wont be buying it! I'd much rather have a community that sees it for what it is than sees their opinion of it through their perspective of fear and could be's.
Thanks for keeping the negative nancies out, Anet! The community is better for it! Let's just hope they stick to their guns and never try it.
This is my point about being "corrected" or shown the "error of our ways"
While much more moderate than some, it's still the same.
Somewhere, they judge "I don't want a cash shop in this game" to be "Seething Pessimist"
BUT......only where GW2 is concerned.
LOL
Naw, you take it to the level of "it WILL ruin the game". Not once have you only said "it COULD be bad, and I would prefer it not to be".
Nope, you have always made the conclusion.
So yes, you are pessimistic, seething, and fearful. That's ok, I'm fine with you staying out! You'd be much more of a contribution to another game with more people like you. Whatever you find, I hope you enjoy it.
I can't lie, I believe the CS will ruin it. So yes, you are correct then.
Exactly my point. Seething pessimist over a beta leak that has no p2w items in it. GTFO of GW2 if that is how you think of it. Good bye and good riddance!
Missing out a potentialy great game because of cash shop which isn't even P2W is a shame.
Destroying a possibly great game by implementing a pay2win cash shop is a shame.
Can't even give a reason using GW 2's mechanics why it's p2w.
You can give out a korean p2w mechanic because of the grinds and slow leveling but please for the love of God let's discuss these(In GW2) mechanics and p2w.
If you're a company that sells XP boosts in your shop, how do you sell more?
If you're a company that sells health pots, how do you sell more?
It has nothing to do with P2W it has to do with the quality of the game. It has to do with them fucking with mechanics in the background to make cash shop sales.
Every one is affected, it doens't matter whether or not you spend a dime.
To sell more XP you introduce a reason that people would need to accelerate their XP gain. These are game wide changes. Turbine killed a specific materials drop to open a hole in their armor progression and sell that piece of armor in their store. It affects subs as well as free players. This is how you make money in a F2P game. The whole underlying mechanic becomes an engine to get people to the cash shop - to make their money. Without a cash shop, games make money via subscription. To keep subscriptions you make things fun. The game engine is used for that purpose, not to drive microtransactions.
It's because their cash shop is optional.
It's for those who still don't have time, I mean shit going for one skill point with no xp boost you can go from level 4 - 9 lol.
You don't need that shit and again point out their mechanics that enforce those.
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
You can call me a lemming if you like, but until we see it in released form, I will trust Anet when they say "It wont be p2w".
Your call, but I'm glad you wont be playing! Bye bye!
You are beginning to sound like a broken record now. Although people have as much right as to be skeptical about cash shop as much you have the right to blindly believe what Anet says. i have no idea at what point your belief became better or superior than others.
Do you trust someone when they first talk to you and tell you that their name is Jeff? Or do you say "You're a liar! I'm not gonna believe you!"
Really, if you don't operate on initial trust until you have the facts, then you are clearly just a pessimist, plain and simple. It's not normal behavior.
Missing out a potentialy great game because of cash shop which isn't even P2W is a shame.
Destroying a possibly great game by implementing a pay2win cash shop is a shame.
Can't even give a reason using GW 2's mechanics why it's p2w.
You can give out a korean p2w mechanic because of the grinds and slow leveling but please for the love of God let's discuss these(In GW2) mechanics and p2w.
If you're a company that sells XP boosts in your shop, how do you sell more?
If you're a company that sells health pots, how do you sell more?
It has nothing to do with P2W it has to do with the quality of the game. It has to do with them fucking with mechanics in the background to make cash shop sales.
Every one is affected, it doens't matter whether or not you spend a dime.
To sell more XP you introduce a reason that people would need to accelerate their XP gain. These are game wide changes. Turbine killed a specific materials drop to open a hole in their armor progression and sell that piece of armor in their store. It affects subs as well as free players. This is how you make money in a F2P game. The whole underlying mechanic becomes an engine to get people to the cash shop - to make their money. Without a cash shop, games make money via subscription. To keep subscriptions you make things fun. The game engine is used for that purpose, not to drive microtransactions.
It's because their cash shop is optional.
It's for those who still don't have time, I mean shit going for one skill point with no xp boost you can go from level 4 - 9 lol.
You don't need that shit and again point out their mechanics that enforce those.
The effects of the mechanic changes that drive others to the cash shop aren't optional. They're game wide. You're not playing an adventure game, you're playing a cash shop with an adventure skin.
You can call me a lemming if you like, but until we see it in released form, I will trust Anet when they say "It wont be p2w".
Your call, but I'm glad you wont be playing! Bye bye!
You are beginning to sound like a broken record now. Although people have as much right as to be skeptical about cash shop as much you have the right to blindly believe what Anet says. i have no idea at what point your belief became better or superior than others.
As opposed people here proclaiming "ohhh it's P2W, fail fail fail" when they are the ignorant ones? Whose the blinded?
The people who beleive in ANet or those who fail to realize that a cash shop with time efficiency items =/= P2W and are tooting their blaring horn of ignorance.
Threads like these as a reflection of MMORPG.com is why this site is a laughing stock of any serious game discussions or debates.
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I'm just glad all the seething pessimists wont be buying it! I'd much rather have a community that sees it for what it is than sees their opinion of it through their perspective of fear and could be's.
Thanks for keeping the negative nancies out, Anet! The community is better for it! Let's just hope they stick to their guns and never try it.
Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
yeah anyone who disgarees with cash shop model is a pessimist and negative nancies. Oh the irony.
Missing out a potentialy great game because of cash shop which isn't even P2W is a shame.
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Destroying a possibly great game by implementing a pay2win cash shop is a shame.
GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind"
1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN
2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements
This is my point about being "corrected" or shown the "error of our ways"
While much more moderate than some, it's still the same.
Somewhere, they judge "I don't want a cash shop in this game" to be "Seething Pessimist"
BUT......only where GW2 is concerned.
LOL
Allowing real money trading in an MMO always put off people regardless of how great the game is or where you can spend all that gold.
They wont. If the cash shop isn't truely a problem. Once the game is released if its a big hit most of the people who are frustrated or worried will come on down. However if it is a problem, they'll hear all about that too and any other issues and will avoid it as is their right.
Some people will never touch the game. There are probably few that get worried and over react. People are used to getting jipped and nickel and dimed these days so reaction to even a possibility of that are extreme and sometimes thats really justified. But if the game is great, and the shop isnt that big of an issue, those worries can melt and we can all just enjoy ourselves.
So we'll just have to see won't we.
people get all worried over nothing these days. I just love that most of the people who are worried about this cash shop were perfectly fine paying a monthly fee to play the beta launch of SWTOR.
Double standards anyone?
Calling it P2W shows how clueless you are.
Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
Can't even give a reason using GW 2's mechanics why it's p2w.
You can give out a korean p2w mechanic because of the grinds and slow leveling but please for the love of God let's discuss these(In GW2) mechanics and p2w.
"Well exp boost levels gains in wvwvw." - For an hour, is it gear base because level 80 can't even 1 hit k.o a level 2.
"Well what about resurrection stones and kits?" - You should have team mates, they are your ressurection stones, instant travel for kits, and last but not least you can't use ressurection kits for pvp or wvwvw. You could buy kits with 60 silver based on the static price for gems. Do you need em no not really, and who said they weren't in game, since you'll be able to get em any way.
"Well what about this possible ability to be rich in game and buy WvWvW blue stamps." Supply and you can't buy supply.
"Well what about Guild things." 5 gold and they are on a cool down.
"Well they sell convience items I can win with those." Nah not really can't even do so in pve you scale in everything, gear is level base, gear scales with you, yet you'll need transmution stones to make it stronger.
Can be obtained in game as well.
"Well what if I need..." You don't need shit unless you [want] it, limits, and cool downs. Mechanics negate p2w, cash shop negates time to win, can you play and be a better contrivuton than a guy who uses rl money? Yes you can.
Is it possible to do so vice versa you can
So if both are able to be useful then what does that mean? Oh shit it's equal and once again "So it doesn't work like korean and wow like games?" That's their reasoning of showing game mechanics first and cash shop last, in hopes people would see and understand the mechanics before cash shop.
"Well how do you know this?" Well how does your ignorant ass know it's pay 2 win?
So in the end why are we both preaching the opposite?
Time will tell better than what we say but just like what's going on we going to balance these assumptions.
As of right now it's not pay 2 win.
Take care of yourself and enjoy life.
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
Naw, you take it to the level of "it WILL ruin the game". Not once have you only said "it COULD be bad, and I would prefer it not to be".
Nope, you have always made the conclusion.
So yes, you are pessimistic, seething, and fearful. That's ok, I'm fine with you staying out! You'd be much more of a contribution to another game with more people like you. Whatever you find, I hope you enjoy it.
Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
like i said before, i planned to play this game, and i still will ... i could even consider buying something nice from the shop... it just became to me as a bit of disapointment that they went with the cs but then again i think its great idea if you think it from the companys side. besides, it felt crazy to even think the game would be just buy-to-play to begin with
And I would prefer to play a game that wasn't full of lemmings that just accepted whatever the developer throws at you while saying "Thank you sir may I have another!"
The cash shop, in the current form leaked from the beta, is a disgrace.
GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind"
1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN
2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements
If you're a company that sells XP boosts in your shop, how do you sell more?
If you're a company that sells health pots, how do you sell more?
It has nothing to do with P2W it has to do with the quality of the game. It has to do with them fucking with mechanics in the background to make cash shop sales.
Every one is affected, it doens't matter whether or not you spend a dime.
To sell more XP you introduce a reason that people would need to accelerate their XP gain. These are game wide changes. Turbine killed a specific materials drop to open a hole in their armor progression and sell that piece of armor in their store. It affects subs as well as free players. This is how you make money in a F2P game. The whole underlying mechanic becomes an engine to get people to the cash shop - to make their money. Without a cash shop, games make money via subscription. To keep subscriptions you make things fun. The game engine is used for that purpose, not to drive microtransactions.
Some people will never touch the game. There are probably few that get worried and over react. People are used to getting jipped and nickel and dimed these days so reaction to even a possibility of that are extreme and sometimes thats really justified. But if the game is great, and the shop isnt that big of an issue, those worries can melt and we can all just enjoy ourselves.
So we'll just have to see won't we.
What are you thinking coming in here with a logical well thought out post?
This is the Internet! Stop making sense...my head hurts now.
Exactly. Although I wouldn't be surprised if they pull back on some of these pay2win items at launch just because of this uproar. But they have now showed their hand. At best they will just sucker as many initial box sales as possible before re-implementing the disgraceful beta items. And then their imagination will create even more and more.
That manifesto is burning in a dumpster somewhere now...
GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind"
1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN
2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements
You can call me a lemming if you like, but until we see it in released form, I will trust Anet when they say "It wont be p2w". You're like a bird changing its song:
"It's pay to win"
"well, if it isn't pay to win, it's a disgrace"
"well, gosh, I just dont like it"
Your call, but I'm glad you wont be playing! Bye bye!
Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
This is my point about being "corrected" or shown the "error of our ways"
While much more moderate than some, it's still the same.
Somewhere, they judge "I don't want a cash shop in this game" to be "Seething Pessimist"
BUT......only where GW2 is concerned.
LOL
Naw, you take it to the level of "it WILL ruin the game". Not once have you only said "it COULD be bad, and I would prefer it not to be".
Nope, you have always made the conclusion.
So yes, you are pessimistic, seething, and fearful. That's ok, I'm fine with you staying out! You'd be much more of a contribution to another game with more people like you. Whatever you find, I hope you enjoy it.
I can't lie, I believe the CS will ruin it. So yes, you are correct then.
You are beginning to sound like a broken record now. Although people have as much right as to be skeptical about cash shop as much you have the right to blindly believe what Anet says. i have no idea at what point your belief became better or superior than others.
Exactly my point. Seething pessimist over a beta leak that has no p2w items in it. GTFO of GW2 if that is how you think of it. Good bye and good riddance!
Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
It's because their cash shop is optional.
It's for those who still don't have time, I mean shit going for one skill point with no xp boost you can go from level 4 - 9 lol.
You don't need that shit and again point out their mechanics that enforce those.
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
And there he goes again.. lol
Do you trust someone when they first talk to you and tell you that their name is Jeff? Or do you say "You're a liar! I'm not gonna believe you!"
Really, if you don't operate on initial trust until you have the facts, then you are clearly just a pessimist, plain and simple. It's not normal behavior.
Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
The effects of the mechanic changes that drive others to the cash shop aren't optional. They're game wide. You're not playing an adventure game, you're playing a cash shop with an adventure skin.
As opposed people here proclaiming "ohhh it's P2W, fail fail fail" when they are the ignorant ones? Whose the blinded?
The people who beleive in ANet or those who fail to realize that a cash shop with time efficiency items =/= P2W and are tooting their blaring horn of ignorance.
Threads like these as a reflection of MMORPG.com is why this site is a laughing stock of any serious game discussions or debates.