The real killer is that the graphics are subpar compared to new games, but that it doesn't even run that well for low-end systems.
You're so cute!
Of course I am, but it's just another thing anet promised that they didn't deliver on.
Game is not out yet. They've said that they're optimizing the build. Now if the game is out and it's still horribly optimized, then they did break a promise. However, this is also why there's no release date yet. The game will be done when it's done.
Why is it that if anet makes an empty promise you guys eat it up immediately, but if there are clear and present flaws within the game you guys go "oh it's not complete yet".
Graphics are the least touchy subject for me. This isn't the 90's when Sega and Nintendo nerds went at it over colors per pixel. Who cares? They're subjective, if Robert doesn't like them, he's free to play the MMOs that in his opinion have better graphics. I can't think of any offhand, but that's just me. Your money, your choice.
I am really not sure I can understand the argument about how the game runs on low end PCs. Honestly I jsut built a new PC last month because my old one was so outdated pretty much the only MMORPG I could play was WoW. I had to run almost all other games on teh bare minimum settings and was still only getting 25fps.
Then I sat down and said to myself. This computer was built 4 years ago. its only an AMD Athalon X2 2.3 ghz with 4gig of ram.
Maybe I need to build a new computer. So I went on Newegg and purchased 469$ worth of parts and got me this new computer which can run all games on Maximum settings.
AMD FX 8150 BULLDOZER - ASUS M5A78L MB - 8 gigs of Corsair Vengeance - WD 1TB HD - Rosewill Destroyer Tower - Geforce GTX 460 *Upgrading to a self contained water cooler for the CPU soon for about 100$*
The only excuse if you cannot run modern games is pure laziness or your flat broke because you could pick up a part time job and build a new rig in less then a month.
The real killer is that the graphics are subpar compared to new games, but that it doesn't even run that well for low-end systems.
You're so cute!
Of course I am, but it's just another thing anet promised that they didn't deliver on.
Game is not out yet. They've said that they're optimizing the build. Now if the game is out and it's still horribly optimized, then they did break a promise. However, this is also why there's no release date yet. The game will be done when it's done.
Why is it that if anet makes an empty promise you guys eat it up immediately, but if there are clear and present flaws within the game you guys go "oh it's not complete yet".
If graphics in GW2 are sub-par, what is par?
I'd say tera would be about par for the big budget MMOs coming out this year... gw2 being subpar, games like blade and soul being above.
I'd say tera would be about par for the big budget MMOs coming out this year... gw2 being subpar, games like blade and soul being above.
I see.
Well, let's do a comparison then shall we?
*reserved for edit*
Sure... do a comparison of in game footage run on high graphics, also do a comparison of what system requirements are needed to run the game smoothly at lowest settings... also make sure the goggles are off whilst doing such comparisons.
im very picky with graphics but i have to say i really like GW2 graphic visuals, dont see where "outdated" fits in there. Its a different art style and they have my thumbs up for not trying to make a game with similar graphic style to others.
From the OPs game list i most likely will try them all but i am only waiting for an American release of Blade & Soul which i loved after playing the korean beta. But still, i wouldnt compare GW2 graphics to any of those since all (including GW2) have great visuals.
Yeah alot of these morons are tlaking about how bad the graphics are because they saw some press perosn with a subpar computer post a video of the gameplay on youtube in 720p. This is such a laughable discussion is pathetic. There is out there somewhere a 1080p video of this game running on high settings and it blows away games like SW:ToR, Rift, Aion, WoW, and is very comparable to Tera. Personally I think the GW2 enviroment is far superior to the graphics of Teras enviroment, but that Tera has the edge on character models and weapons.
The real killer is that the graphics are subpar compared to new games, but that it doesn't even run that well for low-end systems.
You're so cute!
Of course I am, but it's just another thing anet promised that they didn't deliver on.
Game is not out yet. They've said that they're optimizing the build. Now if the game is out and it's still horribly optimized, then they did break a promise. However, this is also why there's no release date yet. The game will be done when it's done.
Why is it that if anet makes an empty promise you guys eat it up immediately, but if there are clear and present flaws within the game you guys go "oh it's not complete yet".
If graphics in GW2 are sub-par, what is par?
I'd say tera would be about par for the big budget MMOs coming out this year... gw2 being subpar, games like blade and soul being above.
Well, if those are your "par", I'd say that GW2 is above par when comparing high settings for each. I guess that shows how subjective these things are. To me, I see no difference between B&S and GW2 quality, but GW2 wins with better art direction. The world asset textures in TERA are not nearly as detailed as those in GW2 and, once again, GW2 wins on art direction.
I'd say tera would be about par for the big budget MMOs coming out this year... gw2 being subpar, games like blade and soul being above.
I see.
Well, let's do a comparison then shall we?
*reserved for edit*
Sure... do a comparison of in game footage run on high graphics, also do a comparison of what system requirements are needed to run the game smoothly at lowest settings... also make sure the goggles are off whilst doing such comparisons.
Blade & Soul being above par in graphics?? Eh... don't think so.
Arche Age, maybe. TERA's character graphics are pretty good, but the environment graphics I'm not that impressed with. Kinda reminds me of how it was with Aion, that one also had great character graphics but so-so environment graphics.
GW2's char graphics are good, imo on the level of a Rift, slightly below TERA's, but its environment graphics are imo better than TERA's. Blade & Soul's environment graphics, hmm, I saw some hours of footage, it was good but not that it made me think 'wow, that's exceptional'.
Yeah alot of these morons are tlaking about how bad the graphics are because they saw some press perosn with a subpar computer post a video of the gameplay on youtube in 720p. This is such a laughable discussion is pathetic. There is out there somewhere a 1080p video of this game running on high settings and it blows away games like SW:ToR, Rift, Aion, WoW, and is very comparable to Tera. Personally I think the GW2 enviroment is far superior to the graphics of Teras enviroment, but that Tera has the edge on character models and weapons.
Why are you making assumptions about the people who think the graphics are subpar... you have no evidence about what they have seen of gw2 and how it performs...
Goggles off please.
Originally posted by cutthecrap
Originally posted by RobertDinh
Originally posted by BadSpock
Originally posted by RobertDinh
Originally posted by BadSpock
If graphics in GW2 are sub-par, what is par?
I'd say tera would be about par for the big budget MMOs coming out this year... gw2 being subpar, games like blade and soul being above.
I see.
Well, let's do a comparison then shall we?
*reserved for edit*
Sure... do a comparison of in game footage run on high graphics, also do a comparison of what system requirements are needed to run the game smoothly at lowest settings... also make sure the goggles are off whilst doing such comparisons.
Blade & Soul being above par in graphics?? Eh... don't think so.
Arche Age, maybe. TERA's character graphics are pretty good, but the environment graphics I'm not that impressed with. Kinda reminds me of how it was with Aion, that one also had great character graphics but so-so environment graphics.
GW2's char graphics are good, imo on the level of a Rift, slightly below TERA's, but its environment graphics are imo better than TERA's. Blade & Soul's environment graphics, hmm, I saw some hours of footage, it was good but not that it made me think 'wow, that's exceptional'.
Blade and Souls graphics are like 10x better than any other big budget mmorpg coming out this year... are you kidding me?
I actually got nothing to complain about with either of TERA, GW2, AA or B&S. Just got to accept they are different art styles. I love the monster designs in Tera, I like that GW2 feels quite clean art wise and AA is somewhere close to GW2 in my book, B&S is close to TERA. People are too picky these days. ;D
Blade and Souls graphics are like 10x better than any other big budget mmorpg coming out this year... are you kidding me?
Heh. Don't think so. They're pretty good, but not phenomenally spectacular what you seem to make of them. But hey, if you're a fan of B&S, good for you, hope you'll enjoy it. I'm not gonna try to rain on your parade, just saying it as I see it. Personally I was more impressed by ArcheAge's graphics and TSW's environment and monster graphics. Oh, and GW2's environment graphics because of the artful design.
Blade and Souls graphics are like 10x better than any other big budget mmorpg coming out this year... are you kidding me?
Heh. Don't think so. They're pretty good, but not phenomenally spectacular what you seem to make of them. But hey, if you're a fan of B&S, good for you, hope you'll enjoy it. I'm not gonna try to rain on your parade, just saying it as I see it. Personally I was more impressed by ArcheAge's graphics and TSW's environment and monster graphics. Oh, and GW2's environment graphics because of the artful design.
Oh i'm not a fan of any game, i remain objective so that I can judge them all by what they actually are... and graphically speaking BnS is way ahead of GW2.... some may prefer one style to another, but the actual quality of the graphics are night and day. But hey goggles be goggles.
Blade and Souls graphics are like 10x better than any other big budget mmorpg coming out this year... are you kidding me?
That's not a difficult feat to pull off when your game is as instanced as GW1. Seriously you're basically comparing Vindictus to GW2....it's laughable.
To the OP, the graphics are 2007 because that's when they started development. This is how all MMO's are....why is this a shocker? This is almost always the case with MMOs, it's not anything new, they usually resemble the graphical quality of around the time they're conceived. Sure there are going to be improvements but they can't pull technology from 4 years in the future to start making an MMO today.
All the MMO's the OP compares to GW2 either entered development at a later date, are severely instanced (B+S, Core Blaze) in order to allow for the better graphics, OR they actually don't have equivalent or better graphics than GW2 at all. Like Raiderz....
Blade and Souls graphics are like 10x better than any other big budget mmorpg coming out this year... are you kidding me?
Heh. Don't think so. They're pretty good, but not phenomenally spectacular what you seem to make of them. But hey, if you're a fan of B&S, good for you, hope you'll enjoy it. I'm not gonna try to rain on your parade, just saying it as I see it. Personally I was more impressed by ArcheAge's graphics and TSW's environment and monster graphics. Oh, and GW2's environment graphics because of the artful design.
Oh i'm not a fan of any game, i remain objective so that I can judge them all by what they actually are... and graphically speaking BnS is way ahead of GW2.... some may prefer one style to another, but the actual quality of the graphics are night and day. But hey goggles be goggles.
True.
Since I''m equally neutral about all the games I mentioned, apparently your goggles aren't mine. But hey, I know how difficult it is for some people if other people have a different opinion or taste than they themselves do, so I'm just gonna say, enjoy your B&S when you're going to play it, it has fairly good graphics, I might give the game a shot myself whenever it comes out.
This is one of the many things wrong with the current MMO community. People are becoming graphic whores, since when were MMOs ever about state of the art graphics? In my opinion over the top graphics only ruins an MMO.
This is one of the many things wrong with the current MMO community. People are becoming graphic whores, since when were MMOs ever about state of the art graphics? In my opinion over the top graphics only ruins an MMO.
i think there has to be a balance between good gameplay and good graphics. In my personal opinion boring gameplay with outstanding graphics is as bad as great gameplay with graphics from the begining of time.
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Didn't they say they were optimizing graphics? They've improved even since the first press beta.
real life :P
I was asking a serious question but thank you! lol
If the graphics/aesthetics in GW2 are considered "sub-par" I'd like to see what those people would define as "par" then - what is the new standard?
Graphics are the least touchy subject for me. This isn't the 90's when Sega and Nintendo nerds went at it over colors per pixel. Who cares? They're subjective, if Robert doesn't like them, he's free to play the MMOs that in his opinion have better graphics. I can't think of any offhand, but that's just me. Your money, your choice.
I am really not sure I can understand the argument about how the game runs on low end PCs. Honestly I jsut built a new PC last month because my old one was so outdated pretty much the only MMORPG I could play was WoW. I had to run almost all other games on teh bare minimum settings and was still only getting 25fps.
Then I sat down and said to myself. This computer was built 4 years ago. its only an AMD Athalon X2 2.3 ghz with 4gig of ram.
Maybe I need to build a new computer. So I went on Newegg and purchased 469$ worth of parts and got me this new computer which can run all games on Maximum settings.
AMD FX 8150 BULLDOZER - ASUS M5A78L MB - 8 gigs of Corsair Vengeance - WD 1TB HD - Rosewill Destroyer Tower - Geforce GTX 460 *Upgrading to a self contained water cooler for the CPU soon for about 100$*
The only excuse if you cannot run modern games is pure laziness or your flat broke because you could pick up a part time job and build a new rig in less then a month.
I'd say tera would be about par for the big budget MMOs coming out this year... gw2 being subpar, games like blade and soul being above.
I see.
Well, let's do a comparison then shall we?
*reserved for edit*
Sure... do a comparison of in game footage run on high graphics, also do a comparison of what system requirements are needed to run the game smoothly at lowest settings... also make sure the goggles are off whilst doing such comparisons.
GW2-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU1xq7MalQg
Tera-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04_QVaNEM7Y&feature=relmfu
Blade and Soul-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkmDh_TdQOc
You decide.
(tried to find similar quality, similar content, similar time frame (as recent as possible) all from Beta's
im very picky with graphics but i have to say i really like GW2 graphic visuals, dont see where "outdated" fits in there. Its a different art style and they have my thumbs up for not trying to make a game with similar graphic style to others.
From the OPs game list i most likely will try them all but i am only waiting for an American release of Blade & Soul which i loved after playing the korean beta. But still, i wouldnt compare GW2 graphics to any of those since all (including GW2) have great visuals.
Yeah alot of these morons are tlaking about how bad the graphics are because they saw some press perosn with a subpar computer post a video of the gameplay on youtube in 720p. This is such a laughable discussion is pathetic. There is out there somewhere a 1080p video of this game running on high settings and it blows away games like SW:ToR, Rift, Aion, WoW, and is very comparable to Tera. Personally I think the GW2 enviroment is far superior to the graphics of Teras enviroment, but that Tera has the edge on character models and weapons.
Well, if those are your "par", I'd say that GW2 is above par when comparing high settings for each. I guess that shows how subjective these things are. To me, I see no difference between B&S and GW2 quality, but GW2 wins with better art direction. The world asset textures in TERA are not nearly as detailed as those in GW2 and, once again, GW2 wins on art direction.
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Blade & Soul being above par in graphics?? Eh... don't think so.
Arche Age, maybe. TERA's character graphics are pretty good, but the environment graphics I'm not that impressed with. Kinda reminds me of how it was with Aion, that one also had great character graphics but so-so environment graphics.
GW2's char graphics are good, imo on the level of a Rift, slightly below TERA's, but its environment graphics are imo better than TERA's. Blade & Soul's environment graphics, hmm, I saw some hours of footage, it was good but not that it made me think 'wow, that's exceptional'.
Why are you making assumptions about the people who think the graphics are subpar... you have no evidence about what they have seen of gw2 and how it performs...
Goggles off please.
Blade and Souls graphics are like 10x better than any other big budget mmorpg coming out this year... are you kidding me?
This one shows off the level of detail in GW2 on the highest settings.
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Looks pretty damn good to me.
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I actually got nothing to complain about with either of TERA, GW2, AA or B&S. Just got to accept they are different art styles. I love the monster designs in Tera, I like that GW2 feels quite clean art wise and AA is somewhere close to GW2 in my book, B&S is close to TERA. People are too picky these days. ;D
Just based on these vids, although the blade and soul was only 720 so its not really fair.
I would say best graphics were Tera, GW2, then Blade and soul. If I had to score them it would be 9,8, and 6
Aesthetics
I would say GW2, Tera, then Blade and Soul. Scores would be 9, 7, and 5.
So over all, since i weight aesthetics 3 to one over graphics. My score would be
GW2- 8.5 overall
Tera- 8
B & S- 5.5
Heh. Don't think so. They're pretty good, but not phenomenally spectacular what you seem to make of them. But hey, if you're a fan of B&S, good for you, hope you'll enjoy it. I'm not gonna try to rain on your parade, just saying it as I see it. Personally I was more impressed by ArcheAge's graphics and TSW's environment and monster graphics. Oh, and GW2's environment graphics because of the artful design.
Oh i'm not a fan of any game, i remain objective so that I can judge them all by what they actually are... and graphically speaking BnS is way ahead of GW2.... some may prefer one style to another, but the actual quality of the graphics are night and day. But hey goggles be goggles.
Yeah, really up close to characters both Tera and Blade & Soul look almost cell-shaded. Far too anime.
Amazing what you can get away with when you use lower poly models with high quality cell shaded textures and lighting.
It looks amazing but only if you like the style.
Perfect example - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl327QZBCic&feature=related
Tera is the same way.
That's not a difficult feat to pull off when your game is as instanced as GW1. Seriously you're basically comparing Vindictus to GW2....it's laughable.
To the OP, the graphics are 2007 because that's when they started development. This is how all MMO's are....why is this a shocker? This is almost always the case with MMOs, it's not anything new, they usually resemble the graphical quality of around the time they're conceived. Sure there are going to be improvements but they can't pull technology from 4 years in the future to start making an MMO today.
All the MMO's the OP compares to GW2 either entered development at a later date, are severely instanced (B+S, Core Blaze) in order to allow for the better graphics, OR they actually don't have equivalent or better graphics than GW2 at all. Like Raiderz....
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True.
Since I''m equally neutral about all the games I mentioned, apparently your goggles aren't mine. But hey, I know how difficult it is for some people if other people have a different opinion or taste than they themselves do, so I'm just gonna say, enjoy your B&S when you're going to play it, it has fairly good graphics, I might give the game a shot myself whenever it comes out.
This is one of the many things wrong with the current MMO community. People are becoming graphic whores, since when were MMOs ever about state of the art graphics? In my opinion over the top graphics only ruins an MMO.
i think there has to be a balance between good gameplay and good graphics. In my personal opinion boring gameplay with outstanding graphics is as bad as great gameplay with graphics from the begining of time.