Yeah alot of these morons are tlaking about how bad the graphics are because they saw some press perosn with a subpar computer post a video of the gameplay on youtube in 720p. This is such a laughable discussion is pathetic. There is out there somewhere a 1080p video of this game running on high settings and it blows away games like SW:ToR, Rift, Aion, WoW, and is very comparable to Tera. Personally I think the GW2 enviroment is far superior to the graphics of Teras enviroment, but that Tera has the edge on character models and weapons.
Why are you making assumptions about the people who think the graphics are subpar... you have no evidence about what they have seen of gw2 and how it performs...
Goggles off please.
Originally posted by cutthecrap
Originally posted by RobertDinh
Originally posted by BadSpock
Originally posted by RobertDinh
Originally posted by BadSpock
If graphics in GW2 are sub-par, what is par?
I'd say tera would be about par for the big budget MMOs coming out this year... gw2 being subpar, games like blade and soul being above.
I see.
Well, let's do a comparison then shall we?
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Sure... do a comparison of in game footage run on high graphics, also do a comparison of what system requirements are needed to run the game smoothly at lowest settings... also make sure the goggles are off whilst doing such comparisons.
Blade & Soul being above par in graphics?? Eh... don't think so.
Arche Age, maybe. TERA's character graphics are pretty good, but the environment graphics I'm not that impressed with. Kinda reminds me of how it was with Aion, that one also had great character graphics but so-so environment graphics.
GW2's char graphics are good, imo on the level of a Rift, slightly below TERA's, but its environment graphics are imo better than TERA's. Blade & Soul's environment graphics, hmm, I saw some hours of footage, it was good but not that it made me think 'wow, that's exceptional'.
Blade and Souls graphics are like 10x better than any other big budget mmorpg coming out this year... are you kidding me?
and you have the guts to call yourself objective when it comes to judging games? please...
this thread is a troll fest. GW2 will have the best gfx on the MMO market, by far. with EVE in second place. the rest is garbage imo. for example, TERA has decent gfx, but lacks in art. TSW went for a non-stylized realistic look, which simply doesnt work for the game. not sure what happened with TOR >.< they must have been smoking something strong.
and you have the guts to call yourself objective when it comes to judging games? please...
I know, right?
Hey, MMORPG.com mods, can we have that thread where we can recommend troublemakers to ignore?
Dinh is just stirring shit at this point. He hasn't said anything relevant in ages other than baseless rebuttals (if I can call them that) where he's flipped his wrist and said 'oh, I'm better than you because I'm objective.'
I mean, really. The guy hasn't contributed anything of worth.
I work in art circles a lot, I know what constructive criticism is, I know how to point out flaws without making myself look like the world's biggest sociopath. Dinh doesn't. He apparently doesn't work in too many artistic circles, and as such I completely distrust his integrity. If people in this thread were more constructive and less like Dinh, I might buy that GW2 looks outdated. But it just seems like a bunch of trolls to me.
Show me factually how it looks outdated, give me examples, highlight problems in those examples, and really break it down. Because as it stands it's just a bunch of people who subjectively dislike the stylised look who're pushing that as objectively bad and making themselves look like complete and utter jerks in the process.
See that guy up there who said that it could use more AA?
That's fine.
Be like him.
At least add something to the discourse, or don't bother. If you're here just to be an arse to people and to make their day just a little bit crappier, then honestly? Just get lost. No one wants you here. If you have something to genuinely contribute, something that could show something wrong in the game that ArenaNet could improve, then by all means...
this thread is a troll fest. GW2 will have the best gfx on the MMO market, by far. with EVE in second place. the rest is garbage imo. for example, TERA has decent gfx, but lacks in art. TSW went for a non-stylized realistic look, which simply doesnt work for the game. not sure what happened with TOR >.< they must have been smoking something strong.
Yup. ArenaNet is an arthouse developer. Weirdly, some of this smacks of jealousy. It's like people are pissing over it because it doesn't look as good as their chosen MMO, or because they're straight up shit at art.
It really is a trollfest right now.
I'd love to see this become a thread where people contribute things that aren't just subjective opinion pushed as fact in the most fucking horribly insidious ways possible. But I can't see that happening.
Can't you use the block button if someone is annoying you repeatedly or you are bored of seeing what they have to say? Just an idea!
I agree GW art style is simply BEAUTIFUL. I loved how my warriors hair would blow in the wind at times. Much better then the helmet hair look you get in many other MMO's. And the world itself, area after area was just breathtaking at times. This GW1 of course, I can't imagine they would change their style over much for their sequel.
In fact I love my clueless boardgamer analogy so I will post it again
When a guy don't understand anything about ingame rules, he generally retreat on visuals.
- "Hey Billy, it's your turn to roll the dice, Jake played a +5 Battle, Sam created an alliance with orcs. So what card will you use in this situation ?"
- "What card I will ...? Oh well er ... Is it really my turn ? Well can I read the rules again ?"
- "No. There's limited time for your action."
- "Ok er ..... crap... er.........."
*Plays the card with the prettiest illustration*
Or with a movie :
- "Hey Billy ! Did you see Parallel Future Memories this week ? It's awesome ! I love the psychological twist at the middle of the film ! The way the guy is facing his dreams in real life tells us a lot about his inner self. What did you think ?"
- "Ah, yeah I saw it. Well er .... The inner self dreams ? I dunno... But I loved the special effects !"
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But i must say i really really dig the technology behind it It looks really slick. But really the GFX on all 3 looks so nice it's really not a matter of gfx anymore. It's a matter of style preference and gameplay.
this thread is a troll fest. GW2 will have the best gfx on the MMO market, by far. with EVE in second place. the rest is garbage imo. for example, TERA has decent gfx, but lacks in art. TSW went for a non-stylized realistic look, which simply doesnt work for the game. not sure what happened with TOR >.< they must have been smoking something strong.
Well that is the thing. it is matter of prespective you just called everything else garbage except for GW2. So why get upset when others do the same? no two people will agree on this subject. You call this topic a troll fest and then do exactly what others are doing? should we consider your post as a trollfest too? or it is ok as long as you are defending GW2?
this thread is a troll fest. GW2 will have the best gfx on the MMO market, by far. with EVE in second place. the rest is garbage imo. for example, TERA has decent gfx, but lacks in art. TSW went for a non-stylized realistic look, which simply doesnt work for the game. not sure what happened with TOR >.< they must have been smoking something strong.
Nah, TOR wanted the game to look like that animated SW series. Well, they might still have taken a shot of opium or something when they decided of course but they had some reasons behind it.
I personally think that in some aspects are AoC, TERA and FF XIV better than GW2 but GW2 have excellent art and a lot of amazing details so how OP can think that games like archeage looks better is a mystery to me.
Nothing against AA but graphics is not it's strong side.
yeah uhm you should really go check out the video on this site about the ui and see how at best performance the game's textures are amazingly detailed!
I personally think that in some aspects are AoC, TERA and FF XIV better than GW2 but GW2 have excellent art and a lot of amazing details so how OP can think that games like archeage looks better is a mystery to me.
Nothing against AA but graphics is not it's strong side.
? Seriously? Hmm, I guess tastes really do differ, I got a totally different impression from all the videos I saw, that it'd rank in the top segment of best graphics in an MMORPG.
? Seriously? Hmm, I guess tastes really do differ, I got a totally different impression from all the videos I saw, that it'd rank in the top segment of best graphics in an MMORPG.
Despite the few shortcommings, most of the press called the graphics the most immersive game graphics in MMO history.
"most of the press" "most immersive graphics ever in the whole of MMO history"
While I agree that GW2's world looks to be very immersive, hyperbole statements like that usually trigger my sceptic sense, regardless whether it's about GW2 or another game or a car. Sure, I can see some press reporters say that they're impressed with the graphics, but the majority of the press reports saying exactly that, that GW2 has the best/most immersive graphics ever seen in the whole of MMO history? ... show me the proof, is what I'd usually say, get like 20-30 press reviews and show that in more than 15 of them the review literally stated that he/she found GW2's graphics the most immersive graphics ever seen in an MMO.
It just reeks too much like a hyperbole made to bolster up someone's point, unnecessary I think.
? Seriously? Hmm, I guess tastes really do differ, I got a totally different impression from all the videos I saw, that it'd rank in the top segment of best graphics in an MMORPG.
Yeah, you are right about the backgrounds, it do look fine. The game have the same issue as LOTRO, nice background, ugly avatars and mobs.
So I was a bit unfair.
Yeah, that's the problem with a lot of graphics discussions, usually people have only 1 aspect of the graphics in mind when they talk about it, characters, environment or art style, often leading to misunderstandings when other people are talking about different graphics aspects of that same game. I thought the AA character models were ok, but TERA's I found very well done (although I dislike the art style choice), then again I found the TERA environment graphics less impressive than AA environment graphics. For TSW I think the environment graphics and monster model graphics are great looking, but the character models can do better.
As for GW2, when GW came out I still think it was graphically the most impressive MMO (CORPG) around, the best character models in an MMO in that time period. GW2, it looks like it'll have some other MMO's that will equal or even surpass it, either in character graphics or environment graphics. In art style though, imo they'll be unsurpassed.
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and you have the guts to call yourself objective when it comes to judging games? please...
I think the graphics are pretty nice. Though I've just started playing Shattered Galaxy again.
Heck, art direction beats raw engine power any day. I don't care for polygon counts.
this thread is a troll fest. GW2 will have the best gfx on the MMO market, by far. with EVE in second place. the rest is garbage imo. for example, TERA has decent gfx, but lacks in art. TSW went for a non-stylized realistic look, which simply doesnt work for the game. not sure what happened with TOR >.< they must have been smoking something strong.
I know, right?
Hey, MMORPG.com mods, can we have that thread where we can recommend troublemakers to ignore?
Dinh is just stirring shit at this point. He hasn't said anything relevant in ages other than baseless rebuttals (if I can call them that) where he's flipped his wrist and said 'oh, I'm better than you because I'm objective.'
I mean, really. The guy hasn't contributed anything of worth.
I work in art circles a lot, I know what constructive criticism is, I know how to point out flaws without making myself look like the world's biggest sociopath. Dinh doesn't. He apparently doesn't work in too many artistic circles, and as such I completely distrust his integrity. If people in this thread were more constructive and less like Dinh, I might buy that GW2 looks outdated. But it just seems like a bunch of trolls to me.
Show me factually how it looks outdated, give me examples, highlight problems in those examples, and really break it down. Because as it stands it's just a bunch of people who subjectively dislike the stylised look who're pushing that as objectively bad and making themselves look like complete and utter jerks in the process.
See that guy up there who said that it could use more AA?
That's fine.
Be like him.
At least add something to the discourse, or don't bother. If you're here just to be an arse to people and to make their day just a little bit crappier, then honestly? Just get lost. No one wants you here. If you have something to genuinely contribute, something that could show something wrong in the game that ArenaNet could improve, then by all means...
Yup. ArenaNet is an arthouse developer. Weirdly, some of this smacks of jealousy. It's like people are pissing over it because it doesn't look as good as their chosen MMO, or because they're straight up shit at art.
It really is a trollfest right now.
I'd love to see this become a thread where people contribute things that aren't just subjective opinion pushed as fact in the most fucking horribly insidious ways possible. But I can't see that happening.
Can't you use the block button if someone is annoying you repeatedly or you are bored of seeing what they have to say? Just an idea!
I agree GW art style is simply BEAUTIFUL. I loved how my warriors hair would blow in the wind at times. Much better then the helmet hair look you get in many other MMO's. And the world itself, area after area was just breathtaking at times. This GW1 of course, I can't imagine they would change their style over much for their sequel.
the poster formerly known as melangel :P
In fact I love my clueless boardgamer analogy so I will post it again
When a guy don't understand anything about ingame rules, he generally retreat on visuals.
- "Hey Billy, it's your turn to roll the dice, Jake played a +5 Battle, Sam created an alliance with orcs. So what card will you use in this situation ?"
- "What card I will ...? Oh well er ... Is it really my turn ? Well can I read the rules again ?"
- "No. There's limited time for your action."
- "Ok er ..... crap... er.........."
*Plays the card with the prettiest illustration*
Or with a movie :
- "Hey Billy ! Did you see Parallel Future Memories this week ? It's awesome ! I love the psychological twist at the middle of the film ! The way the guy is facing his dreams in real life tells us a lot about his inner self. What did you think ?"
- "Ah, yeah I saw it. Well er .... The inner self dreams ? I dunno... But I loved the special effects !"
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im not really into the anime style (art).
But i must say i really really dig the technology behind it
It looks really slick. But really the GFX on all 3 looks so nice it's really not a matter of gfx anymore. It's a matter of style preference and gameplay.
yeah for me archage is the most stunning visually , the water is OMG!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekaNIc8dd6U&feature=related
kraken included!
Quite indeed, it's never graphics that make or break a game but but-free smooth gameplay and mechanics.
Besides, it looks more than good enough for me.
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Well that is the thing. it is matter of prespective you just called everything else garbage except for GW2. So why get upset when others do the same? no two people will agree on this subject. You call this topic a troll fest and then do exactly what others are doing? should we consider your post as a trollfest too? or it is ok as long as you are defending GW2?
You compared official videos with the best quality vs a fan made video of gw2....
Yeah, because playing an MMO is all about staring at water.
:-)
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Nah, TOR wanted the game to look like that animated SW series. Well, they might still have taken a shot of opium or something when they decided of course but they had some reasons behind it.
I personally think that in some aspects are AoC, TERA and FF XIV better than GW2 but GW2 have excellent art and a lot of amazing details so how OP can think that games like archeage looks better is a mystery to me.
Nothing against AA but graphics is not it's strong side.
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Good lord people, let the game release first or get your greasy fingers on it with a pre-purchase.
Not only are the graphics old the gameplay is very old for my taste as well.
yeah uhm you should really go check out the video on this site about the ui and see how at best performance the game's textures are amazingly detailed!
? Seriously? Hmm, I guess tastes really do differ, I got a totally different impression from all the videos I saw, that it'd rank in the top segment of best graphics in an MMORPG.
The trailer videos show a nice collection of sceneries, that you can also find in the gameplay videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok4_n84GjVI
The graphics :
Art style;
- incredibale, most artistic MMO ever
- Not very realistic, they have choosen artistic styl;e above realisme
SCalabillity
- The engine seems to handle huge groups of Players very well, with only limited FPS drops.
- The low end graphics are still very acceptable
- The new high end graphics used in last weekends press beta work very fluently, but still leave room for improvement (Cynical Brit)
Annimations
- Very fluent, the first game that comes close or even surpasses WoW's annimations fluency
Despite the few shortcommings, most of the press called the graphics the most immersive game graphics in MMO history.
And don't judge gamegraphics based on youtube video's as with their current way of decoding even on 1080p HD the background scenery tends to blur.
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
Yeah, you are right about the backgrounds, it do look fine. The game have the same issue as LOTRO, nice background, ugly avatars and mobs.
So I was a bit unfair.
"most of the press" "most immersive graphics ever in the whole of MMO history"
While I agree that GW2's world looks to be very immersive, hyperbole statements like that usually trigger my sceptic sense, regardless whether it's about GW2 or another game or a car. Sure, I can see some press reporters say that they're impressed with the graphics, but the majority of the press reports saying exactly that, that GW2 has the best/most immersive graphics ever seen in the whole of MMO history? ... show me the proof, is what I'd usually say, get like 20-30 press reviews and show that in more than 15 of them the review literally stated that he/she found GW2's graphics the most immersive graphics ever seen in an MMO.
It just reeks too much like a hyperbole made to bolster up someone's point, unnecessary I think.
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Yeah, that's the problem with a lot of graphics discussions, usually people have only 1 aspect of the graphics in mind when they talk about it, characters, environment or art style, often leading to misunderstandings when other people are talking about different graphics aspects of that same game. I thought the AA character models were ok, but TERA's I found very well done (although I dislike the art style choice), then again I found the TERA environment graphics less impressive than AA environment graphics. For TSW I think the environment graphics and monster model graphics are great looking, but the character models can do better.
As for GW2, when GW came out I still think it was graphically the most impressive MMO (CORPG) around, the best character models in an MMO in that time period. GW2, it looks like it'll have some other MMO's that will equal or even surpass it, either in character graphics or environment graphics. In art style though, imo they'll be unsurpassed.
Graphics ARE NOT Outdated.
ArenaNet have taken up a completely new style of graphics for Guild Wars 2 ~ They have produced a more paint brush, concept art style which is amazing