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I call complete and total ignornace and BS
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For me I'm pretty sure I can get by with only spending for the box for quite some time.
I also happen to be one of those crazy packrat types as well. I have no problem with cash shops so long as actual exclusive items that affect a character's ability to kill things are NOT sold in them. If people want to pay for frills I could care less. As a matter of fact, more power to them if it means I don't have to pay a subscription fee.
Yes, it does cost some degree of cash to maintain servers and bandwidth and support. But honestly, the rationale for subscriptions were supposed to be that they covered those things AND a fair degree of new content. The reality has been that in most games that I have seen or heard of, the amount of extra content generated in between paid expansions never came even remotely close to being equivalent in value to the amount of cash paid in subscriptions during that time frame. If you want an idea of just exactly how much profit can be generated from subs, go to the Blizzard website and look at their quarterly financial statements. It is pretty clear that most of the subscription fees are pure profit. After that, I find it really hard to personally justify spending that extra $15 per month.
As far as using in game gold to buy cash shop items... the questions really become how easy it will be to get gold and what exactly you can get with just gold in the game that is worth spending gold on. If gold isn't really all that useful then there probably won't be a lot of players buying gems with real money and then trying to resell them for gold. Keep in mind if ANet's goal is to marginalize the 3rd party gold sellers, pretty much all the perks will have to be cash shop items and the item per hour ratio of using in game gold to buy gems will have to be so bad that just paying the cash up from to ANet to buy the gems will be practically a no-brainer.
Only time in game at release will tell how it all works out though.
Thats because its a WAHHHHHHHHHH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAhhhh QQ
Troll post.
Sorry SWTOR stinks, not our problem.
lol.. oh now I get it, cheers
Yeah I think this is BS. Honestly, I don't even see me getting the other three character slots. 5 seems like more than enough, there are only a few classes that I plan on leveling up to max level. When I was in the beta, I reached level 26, and I didn't even fill up 1/4 of my bank space, I sold everything and put all my crafting mats into my collectibles tab (Which is a GODSEND by the way). The amount of bag slots you have is also more than enough, especially because your bags are going to be getting bigger and bigger as you adventure.
So yeah...OP's argument is void.
Ok!
I already tried to explain in my previous posting but it was obviously ignored by the "anti-gw2" people so I think I'll just answer to a few things I came across through the postings (yes I read all 29 pages partially yesterday and partially today cause I don't want to do anyone wrong):
- GW1 HAD free updates next to the STAND ALONE full games (Prophecies, Factions, Nightfall) and only ONE OPTIONALL Expansion (EotN).
- GW2 has NO REAL LIMITATIONS since you can get everything you need in the game with in game gold or through crafting.
The Standard edition with beta access and one in game item goes here in germany for 49€ which is a more than fair price compared to offline console games that are going for 69€ and offer you like 10-15 hours of gameplay or other mmos that are more frustrating than fun to say the least.
- GW2 DOESN'T offer Mounts with stats that makes you more powerful, Armors/Weapons that makes you more powerful and are not obtainable in the game or other stuff that would give the balance of the game a hit.
- The XP, Karma Boosts are optional and you DON'T need them cause leveling faster than someone else DOESN'T give you any real advantage!
To those that are whining about "limitations" because of the 5 character slots:
- Most MMOs give you 3 character slots by default with no option to purchase more, some gives you the opportunity to buy more and one MMO (FF11) even gave you only ONE character slot and you had to purchase if you wanted a second one.
- The Bag Slots are NOT a limitation since you can craft 8 slots bags yourself very early and very easily in the game as also craft bigger bags later for more space.
- The Bank Slots are plenty even they are used by all your characters and unless you gathering a armada of weapons and armors that you actually not even use, you WON'T need much space there.
I used only 1-2 slot of my bank across 3 characters in the betas only for mystic chests.
All weapons and armors I either sold them or dismantled them for materials, I crafted 8 slot bags for all my bag slots on my character in not time and had plenty of space.
Other drops are only stuff you sell to the npc for a few extra coins or stuff you can salvage materials from.
As a side note: PLEASE STOP comparing the GW2 item shop with these of free to play games or the ones from P2P that charge you extra cause it's nothing like that!
Inform yourself first by people that witnessed what's offered and do some research (even when it comes to GW1 since many off things were posted about it) before you post such arguments.
Thanks in advance!
i really dont understand what the problem is
if you really want it to change to a sub model nothing is stopping you from spending £15 a month in the cash shop so you can benifit from all the extra super items
in fact its probably the best game in the world for anyone who wants a sub model to play
as according to some people here its a pay 2 win game the £15 a month players will be so advantaged they can beat half the population with the items they can buy in the cash shop(untill they look in the cash shop and see flaff)
so at least the money your spending is acctualy giving you somthing
myself im not buying anything
and if bag space and character slots become a problem the cheapest option is to buy a new account and you get 5 character slots and all the bag space with them
Aren't we all forgetting that those bag/bank space purchases are for your account as a whole and not for single characters? You buy additional bank space once and thats it.
Math doesn't help if the root assumptions are wrong.
For those who didn't make it to page three before skipping to the most recent posts in the thread, I just wanted to bring this one back around, since many questions I answered are being asked again (and again) and what I already wrote addresses a lot of concerns some are expressing.
Reminder, all these account upgrades are optional! The game is pretty generous with storage that is available with out buying more bag or vault slots from the cash shop, plus there are other features that even further alleviate inventory overcrowding issues, once you know about them.
A problem with the thread is that the title suggests that there are hidden costs to playing and enjoying the full game, but there are not. These account upgrades are nice for people who want them, but the game decidedly does not create a situation where you need them.
Might I actually spend a lot more than $60 over the course of a year playing the game? Of course I could. Just like a one year "movie a month" pass at a local movie theater might find me spending more than the $60 pass price if I also buy popcorn and a drink every time I use it! Of course, that isn't even a good analogy, because when I buy GW2, I don't just get to play the game for a year, but for the lifetime of the game!
Consider my original post to be a mini-FAQ for the thread. The FAQs are answered and the "issues" that are portrayed as mountains of hidden costs are really just a rather small mole hill of optional account upgrades.
Want to know more about GW2 and why there is so much buzz? Start here: Guild Wars 2 Mass Info for the Uninitiated
I don't know what you damn people's problem is with the in game gem shop is. It is no different than buying the rest of the chest panes in gw1 from their store or buying costumes from their store or any different than buying more character slots from their store for GW1, they just made it a little easier to purchase things for gw2 with the in game gem shop . And you ignorant noobs seem to forget you don't have to spend a damn dime of real money if you don't want to.. You can use in game gold to get what gems you need. You people need to do your freakin research before spouting off at the mouth and pull head from arse.
W...T...F.
You quoted the post he posted here. Then he told you that you didn't read the whole thing because they weren't his words.
W... T... F.
Is he trying to be slippery or something? Because it's just coming off as awful.
Try reading the whole post. In particular the first few sentences at the top. I'm sure it will come to you.
Try reading my post. Particularly the part in red.
I'm sure it will come to you.
How come you are the only poster on the forums that I have to literally explain everything to?
I mean literally draw a diagram. The poster I responded to got it. Yet somehow you miss it.
You resort to attacks the second you get caught being silly. You attempted to call me out on not reading your post, and then you got caught not reading my post. Now you are attacking my character by acting like you have to explain something.
You are embarrassing yourself.
Not really. I'm actually quite shocked that you didn't understand my response. Again I'm at a loss like the last thread you argued with me forever in. The one where I had to lead you to the logical conclusion by asking you questions. It took about 10 posts to get you to finally admit it.
It seems like I have to explain things to you multiple times, when most people would get it the first time and move on. It's frustrating more anything.
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Does one not need to buy the box to play WoW, or is that included in the $156 price tag quoted here ?
Does one need to buy all of the WoW expansions in order to access all of the game's content ?
Does WoW allow for unlimited bag space and an unlimited number of characters ?
Note that I ask these questions because I am not sufficiently familiar with WoW to answer them for myself and they are all important to your comparison.
Now, can one buy the WoW box and play for as long as one wants without any additional payment ?
Does one get access to everything that can be had in WoW for the basic purchase of the game ?
Ultimately of course one can choose spend more than the base cost of the game on GW2. The point is that you don't have to. Comparing the cost of the bare minimum to play WoW to the cost of buying extras and the like on top of the cost of the GW2 box is a bit odd.
I mean a Civic with a million music downloads for the sound system costs much more than a Ferrari so people should keep in mind that Driving a Honda might cost more than they think.
When all has been said and done, more will have been said than done.
To me, there really is nothing hidden about the costs. If I wanted to play all 8 classes, and I like all enough so I'd want to keep on playing them, then I really have no problem with paying extra for 3 more character slots if the game is truely that fantastic. The bag space and the need to have those on all 8 characters is a bit of a stretch. If you don't mind paying for the convenience then you could do that. There is the possibility that item drops will be so varied and that the game will fill up your inventory so fast that not having the extra space would be a real pain, but that's not a sure thing to say the least.
It's possible that having 8 characters with maximum inventory and bank space would cost 16200 gems. I trust that the math is good and the prices were those of the beta. But in the F2P game I'm playing now, if you wanted all that, then it would cost you a LOT more. It could even cost significantly more on one character in a F2P game than on all 8 in GW2 under the assumed price. Of course the F2P game has no box price. But, from where I'm coming, I won't be deluded into thinking I actually need that on every single character very quickly, even if relatively speaking it's really still a great bargain.
The WoW pricing reference is rather silly since after your year of WoW you're still faced with the option to either quit or keep on playing and of course keep on paying.
Server and bandwidth costs are barely worth talking about, certainly nothing even remotely close to $15 a month per player. And the updates to the game will come through expansions, that you either pay for if you like them, and that you don't pay for when you don't. Not buying the expansion does not mean you have to stop playing the game. Unlike not paying the sub, which would suspend your story until you choose to p(l)ay again.
Love how you added "in this thread" to that question, brought a smile to my face...
Something that just occured to me about the cost comparison between WoW ($156 ?) and GW2:
Any GW2 purchase retains its utility potentially indefinitely without additional cost. It doesn't go away at the end of a year as your WoW subscription does if you don't continue to pay. So a more apt comparison would be to compare such purchases to a WoW subscription measured over the life of the game. WoW is coming up on its eighth anniversary right ? So the comparison would have to be the GW cost vs approximately $1,200+ dollars for WoW.
Then again this is comparing GW2 + the cost of micro-transaction extras to just the basic subscription fees for WoW. It shouldnt be too terribly difficult to further jack up the cost for WoW with a short trip to its own MT shop...
When all has been said and done, more will have been said than done.
never understimate player acquisitiveness, im sure if Blizzard ever need a quick $20 million, they can always knock out a new improved sparkly pony.. if Arenanet are not offering something similar.. its because they havent got around to it yet