The CS is in place so when the game goes F2P the players are already used to the CS.
Money grab 101 from Funcom.
Proof is in the pudding, the history of Funcom MMOs. Have they learned anything from other launches? Time will tell - but I don't have any faith in Funcom, their engines, their support, their longevity, their...
I agree. I think it was pretty shitty to even offer a LTS when I believe their plan was F2P from the get go. Once the box sales dry up there really shouldn't be a doubt in anyones mind how this is going to play out.
The CS is in place so when the game goes F2P the players are already used to the CS.
Money grab 101 from Funcom.
Proof is in the pudding, the history of Funcom MMOs. Have they learned anything from other launches? Time will tell - but I don't have any faith in Funcom, their engines, their support, their longevity, their...
I agree. I think it was pretty shitty to even offer a LTS when I believe their plan was F2P from the get go. Once the box sales dry up there really shouldn't be a doubt in anyones mind how this is going to play out.
Just because someone makes you an offer doesn't mean you have to accept. There were other options/offers. Cant blame Funcom for someones decision to buy the lifetime sub. At some point you have to accept the consequences of your own decisions.
Let me start by saying, I don't think TSW will have the number of players GW2 will have maybe not even the amount Tera has. TSW appeals to a certain taste, an aquired taste if you will. TSW does that taste oh so well, better than any mmo to date. The ability to create this dish will garner Funcom & TSW critical acclaim much like "Slum Dog Millionair" did in the film industry.
Like the taste or not, there is something very special in TSW, something different. The Devil is in the details my friends, and the Devil is in TSW.
There is a chance, I would comment more but NDA......
What I will say is GW2 in retrospect, if I can speack in future terms, will be looked at as still "childish", not trying to troll just look for an anolagy that is easy to understand. Even with all the" New and shiney" it still is the same grab a quest, drop in to a DE, and kill some mobs. While on the other hand FunCom went ahead and put a browser in-game so you could do the research to complete a quest. I look at it like this. GW2 is like a high level hish-school class, maybe even a college prep courses, TSW is that college class.
For the combat i really hope so, am interested in the game but i want a fun combat, am not looking for a game like Tera ( i didn't even buy it ) which is all about the combat, i just want it to be more fun that's all.
as for the CS am not against it, i just don't see why it should be there when we already pay a sub every month.
i would gladly buy from CS when i feel it's fair and they are giving me a good game that came out of hard work.
The CS is in place so when the game goes F2P the players are already used to the CS.
Money grab 101 from Funcom.
Proof is in the pudding, the history of Funcom MMOs. Have they learned anything from other launches? Time will tell - but I don't have any faith in Funcom, their engines, their support, their longevity, their...
Luckily i am not like you and i judge the game on basis of features and content it offers. And so far TSW offersa lot of interesting gampelay features, runs smooth and is not your typical cookie cutter MMO.
I could care less for item shops or their track record of bad launches. AO and AOC both today are amazing games. AO was always ahead of its times and AOC though had bad launch still was way better in terms of features and innovative combat it offered.
if games goes F2P..big deal. I will still stick to monthly model as it is the best deal always. F2P is just a gimmick.
Originally posted by bcbully Let me start by saying, I don't think TSW will have the number of players GW2 will have maybe not even the amount Tera has. TSW appeals to a certain taste, an aquired taste if you will. TSW does that taste oh so well, better than any mmo to date. The ability to create this dish will garner Funcom & TSW critical acclaim much like "Slum Dog Millionair" did in the film industry. Like the taste or not, there is something very special in TSW, something different. The Devil is in the details my friends, and the Devil is in TSW.
Niche games will never be GOTY. Secret World, Fallen Earth, Tabula Rasa, Auto Assault - all these games are niche, they only bring in people who like very specific game setting. SW is quite a niche game. Also considering the fact that SW game mechanics focused on grind as in many other MMOs this game will never be GOTY. I am happy for you that you are so excited about SW. But under the pretty skin there is nothing else but grind and more grind.
I love SW and I also hate it. I love it for great visuals and great places that resemble modern world and I hate it for so many times already played i other MMOs game mechanics. I hate grind and there is so much of it in MMO. I guess you can say - well thats MMO what you expect. And I will agree with you.
Niche games will never be GOTY. Secret World, Fallen Earth, Tabula Rasa, Auto Assault - all these games are niche, they only bring in people who like very specific game setting. SW is quite a niche game. Also considering the fact that SW game mechanics focused on grind as in many other MMOs this game will never be GOTY. I am happy for you that you are so excited about SW. But under the pretty skin there is nothing else but grind and more grind.
I love SW and I also hate it. I love it for great visuals and great places that resemble modern world and I hate it for so many times already played i other MMOs game mechanics. I hate grind and there is so much of it in MMO. I guess you can say - well thats MMO what you expect. And I will agree with you.
Where are you getting that TSW is a grind? There is no grind in the game what-so-ever.
Originally posted by jdnyc Originally posted by reanorNiche games will never be GOTY. Secret World, Fallen Earth, Tabula Rasa, Auto Assault - all these games are niche, they only bring in people who like very specific game setting. SW is quite a niche game. Also considering the fact that SW game mechanics focused on grind as in many other MMOs this game will never be GOTY. I am happy for you that you are so excited about SW. But under the pretty skin there is nothing else but grind and more grind.I love SW and I also hate it. I love it for great visuals and great places that resemble modern world and I hate it for so many times already played i other MMOs game mechanics. I hate grind and there is so much of it in MMO. I guess you can say - well thats MMO what you expect. And I will agree with you.
Where are you getting that TSW is a grind? There is no grind in the game what-so-ever.
Are you serious? How far did you play? The game nature is about grind. You will have to grind points to get access to additional abilities. Maybe you dont know what grind is. If you do same type of thing over and over again thats called grind. Why do you think every quest in SW is repeatable?
Are you serious? How far did you play? The game nature is about grind. You will have to grind points to get access to additional abilities. Maybe you dont know what grind is. If you do same type of thing over and over again thats called grind. Why do you think every quest in SW is repeatable?
I've played MUCH farther than you. You don't grind for abilities. You do missions and that gives you significant XP, that you gain more AP and SP from. Not all quests are repeatable.
The repeateable quests are in there if you want to revisit areas later on with a different weapon set, if you so choose. You're not required to do the repeatables to advance to the next area however.
Are you serious? How far did you play? The game nature is about grind. You will have to grind points to get access to additional abilities. Maybe you dont know what grind is. If you do same type of thing over and over again thats called grind. Why do you think every quest in SW is repeatable?
Are you serious? How far did you play? The game nature is about grind. You will have to grind points to get access to additional abilities. Maybe you dont know what grind is. If you do same type of thing over and over again thats called grind. Why do you think every quest in SW is repeatable?
So, by your logic, every mmo is about grind. Ok.
I'm going to hate doing this, but I do agree with reanor here. grind is the biggest element in every MMO...the successful MMO's know how to hide it better than others. That's why FTP games stink, cuz the grind is right in your face. That's what TSW is awesome...because I never even notice the grind....but progression = grind. that's just a fact.
I don't agree with reanor on any of his other comments though.
Are you serious? How far did you play? The game nature is about grind. You will have to grind points to get access to additional abilities. Maybe you dont know what grind is. If you do same type of thing over and over again thats called grind. Why do you think every quest in SW is repeatable?
So, by your logic, every mmo is about grind. Ok.
I'm going to hate doing this, but I do agree with reanor here. grind is the biggest element in every MMO...the successful MMO's know how to hide it better than others. That's why FTP games stink, cuz the grind is right in your face. That's what TSW is awesome...because I never even notice the grind....but progression = grind. that's just a fact.
I don't agree with reanor on any of his other comments though.
This is correct, you don't even notice the grind, every now and then you open your ability sheet and say "holy crap look at all the points I can spend". Then you go back to doing whatever you want to do, missions, pvp, dungeons, etc. You can roll dungeons for a month and never use the same build more then once.
Guild Wars 2 already bought that award, I mean.... Frankly, I don't there is a game deserving of MMO or game of the year. It is just more of the same, year in and year out in mmoland.
With all the game breaking bugs it will have still at launch it will be another funcom flop. Sadly I purchased GM package. Great game other than all the bugs but we are looking at another AO and AoC launch.
Let me start by saying, I don't think TSW will have the number of players GW2 will have maybe not even the amount Tera has. TSW appeals to a certain taste, an aquired taste if you will. TSW does that taste oh so well, better than any mmo to date. The ability to create this dish will garner Funcom & TSW critical acclaim much like "Slum Dog Millionair" did in the film industry.
Like the taste or not, there is something very special in TSW, something different. The Devil is in the details my friends, and the Devil is in TSW.
Well seeing that Max Payne 3 is the lonely shining star in the black hole filled sky of 2012 PC games released this calander year....TSW and GW2 both have a shot at getting more than just RPG GOTY. But, if the upcoming releases meet their hype, then I'd say neither will (remember as well, PS4 comes out in December, so there are devs that will be trying damn hard to make a stellar next-gen release for it). Going by this information, we could see Crysis 3 hit Crysis greatness again, which would give it GOTY for sure, this can be said for Far Cry 3 (they also had a subpar 2nd game in the series, so they might get it right). Also, Sleeping Dogs looks like it might be a sleeper GOTY. (There are also other that i am missing).
As for RPG (MMORPG) of the year, I think GW2 would edge out TSW between the two, just because of how much polish and detail is involved in it (both have great great qualities). But they are also competing against FIrefall, Neverwinter, Bioshock Infinite, and any of the single player RPGs that came out this year (really, I can't remember 1 that really stands out to me this calander year, but I might be forgetting one).
EDIT: Not saying Max Payne 3 was that great, just saying it is the best PC game released this year, imo. Also--this isnt including indie games that dont usually make it to the GOTY pack (even with PC Gamer who has added a GOTY category for them). I am not surprised by this year sucking thusfar either, because of how strong the end of the year was last year
I am not interested in TSW just because of the fact that I am a PvPer and usually that's how I like to spend my game time. But I really want this game to succeed. Why? Because Funcom has some good ideas and ambitions, I'd like to see what else they can come up with down the road.
I agree with the OP TSW is game of the year material.
Having played PC games since 1992 and MMORPGs since 2000, I can honestly say we have our first NON-WOW CLONE in 12 years, Funcom had the guts to say hell no, and create a game thats not the standard Whack a mole, grind for tokens BS that every MMO since EQ and WoW has been. Tera, RIFT, SWTOR are all SoS in a different wrapper.
TSW has everything from a storyline, to puzzles, riddles, exploration, and good old guns blazing and hack and slash.
NO ELVES!
If not for goty it should definitely get something for originality. Hopefully it at least injects some spice into future titles
I am not interested in TSW just because of the fact that I am a PvPer and usually that's how I like to spend my game time. But I really want this game to succeed. Why? Because Funcom has some good ideas and ambitions, I'd like to see what else they can come up with down the road.
So am I bro. You can pvp forever after the tutorial. I skipped savage coast and blue montain. PvP and more PvP.
Let me start by saying, I don't think TSW will have the number of players GW2 will have maybe not even the amount Tera has. TSW appeals to a certain taste, an aquired taste if you will. TSW does that taste oh so well, better than any mmo to date. The ability to create this dish will garner Funcom & TSW critical acclaim much like "Slum Dog Millionair" did in the film industry.
Like the taste or not, there is something very special in TSW, something different. The Devil is in the details my friends, and the Devil is in TSW.
Well seeing that Max Payne 3 is the lonely shining star in the black hole filled sky of 2012 PC games released this calander year....TSW and GW2 both have a shot at getting more than just RPG GOTY. But, if the upcoming releases meet their hype, then I'd say neither will (remember as well, PS4 comes out in December, so there are devs that will be trying damn hard to make a stellar next-gen release for it). Going by this information, we could see Crysis 3 hit Crysis greatness again, which would give it GOTY for sure, this can be said for Far Cry 3 (they also had a subpar 2nd game in the series, so they might get it right). Also, Sleeping Dogs looks like it might be a sleeper GOTY. (There are also other that i am missing).
As for RPG (MMORPG) of the year, I think GW2 would edge out TSW between the two, just because of how much polish and detail is involved in it (both have great great qualities). But they are also competing against FIrefall, Neverwinter, Bioshock Infinite, and any of the single player RPGs that came out this year (really, I can't remember 1 that really stands out to me this calander year, but I might be forgetting one).
EDIT: Not saying Max Payne 3 was that great, just saying it is the best PC game released this year, imo. Also--this isnt including indie games that dont usually make it to the GOTY pack (even with PC Gamer who has added a GOTY category for them). I am not surprised by this year sucking thusfar either, because of how strong the end of the year was last year
Dark souls PC version ;p, skyrim expac maybe, GW2 like you mentioned, whatever call of duty comes out, diablo 3, warcraft expansion, darkstryders 2, witcher 2 looks to be positioned well, Hitman, HALO 4!!!, Resident evil 6 and far cry if they return to what made them good.
The two games I am waiting for release september but no way GOTY for them, more players than TSW but get advertised less. So maybe 1 million copies sold each.
Secret world has to many gameplay issues, if it launched a year from now with a much much better combat system and animations that look realistic, added another 8 zones, added raids, fixed the merry go around PvP system and somehow balanced factions so templars don't wait 4 hours to PvP while dragons zone in outnumbered 20 to 1, overhaul the crafting system to have crafting help base the in game economy, Fix broken quests, there are way to many filler quests such as kill 10 mobs, make currency worth something, revamp the PvE animations, fighting a boss is boring when there are few tells and junk all over the screen. Fix broken quests. That would be a start, to get GOTY of the games I listed would take much more innovation.
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P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
Well atleast we know there is a possibility. It's alright MMO for [ME], I had decided to buy to give me somthing to do till July 20th and then afterwards August 28th.
bcbully what server are you on?
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Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
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I agree. I think it was pretty shitty to even offer a LTS when I believe their plan was F2P from the get go. Once the box sales dry up there really shouldn't be a doubt in anyones mind how this is going to play out.
Just because someone makes you an offer doesn't mean you have to accept. There were other options/offers. Cant blame Funcom for someones decision to buy the lifetime sub. At some point you have to accept the consequences of your own decisions.
There is a chance, I would comment more but NDA......
What I will say is GW2 in retrospect, if I can speack in future terms, will be looked at as still "childish", not trying to troll just look for an anolagy that is easy to understand. Even with all the" New and shiney" it still is the same grab a quest, drop in to a DE, and kill some mobs. While on the other hand FunCom went ahead and put a browser in-game so you could do the research to complete a quest. I look at it like this. GW2 is like a high level hish-school class, maybe even a college prep courses, TSW is that college class.
Luckily i am not like you and i judge the game on basis of features and content it offers. And so far TSW offersa lot of interesting gampelay features, runs smooth and is not your typical cookie cutter MMO.
I could care less for item shops or their track record of bad launches. AO and AOC both today are amazing games. AO was always ahead of its times and AOC though had bad launch still was way better in terms of features and innovative combat it offered.
if games goes F2P..big deal. I will still stick to monthly model as it is the best deal always. F2P is just a gimmick.
Niche games will never be GOTY. Secret World, Fallen Earth, Tabula Rasa, Auto Assault - all these games are niche, they only bring in people who like very specific game setting. SW is quite a niche game. Also considering the fact that SW game mechanics focused on grind as in many other MMOs this game will never be GOTY. I am happy for you that you are so excited about SW. But under the pretty skin there is nothing else but grind and more grind.
I love SW and I also hate it. I love it for great visuals and great places that resemble modern world and I hate it for so many times already played i other MMOs game mechanics. I hate grind and there is so much of it in MMO. I guess you can say - well thats MMO what you expect. And I will agree with you.
Where are you getting that TSW is a grind? There is no grind in the game what-so-ever.
Game of the year by who?
The OP probably and many of TSW fans I'd bet.
Are you serious? How far did you play? The game nature is about grind. You will have to grind points to get access to additional abilities. Maybe you dont know what grind is. If you do same type of thing over and over again thats called grind. Why do you think every quest in SW is repeatable?
I've played MUCH farther than you. You don't grind for abilities. You do missions and that gives you significant XP, that you gain more AP and SP from. Not all quests are repeatable.
The repeateable quests are in there if you want to revisit areas later on with a different weapon set, if you so choose. You're not required to do the repeatables to advance to the next area however.
Hasn't anyone told you not to drink rubbing alcohol?
I make spreadsheets at work - I don't want to make them for the games I play.
So, by your logic, every mmo is about grind. Ok.
I'm going to hate doing this, but I do agree with reanor here. grind is the biggest element in every MMO...the successful MMO's know how to hide it better than others. That's why FTP games stink, cuz the grind is right in your face. That's what TSW is awesome...because I never even notice the grind....but progression = grind. that's just a fact.
I don't agree with reanor on any of his other comments though.
This is correct, you don't even notice the grind, every now and then you open your ability sheet and say "holy crap look at all the points I can spend". Then you go back to doing whatever you want to do, missions, pvp, dungeons, etc. You can roll dungeons for a month and never use the same build more then once.
*cough* excuse me while I take a look back through this gem.
*looks at trusty tinfoil hat on self*
Guild Wars 2 already bought that award, I mean.... Frankly, I don't there is a game deserving of MMO or game of the year. It is just more of the same, year in and year out in mmoland.
Grim Dawn, the next great action rpg!
http://www.grimdawn.com/
Here's a classic right here
Well seeing that Max Payne 3 is the lonely shining star in the black hole filled sky of 2012 PC games released this calander year....TSW and GW2 both have a shot at getting more than just RPG GOTY. But, if the upcoming releases meet their hype, then I'd say neither will (remember as well, PS4 comes out in December, so there are devs that will be trying damn hard to make a stellar next-gen release for it). Going by this information, we could see Crysis 3 hit Crysis greatness again, which would give it GOTY for sure, this can be said for Far Cry 3 (they also had a subpar 2nd game in the series, so they might get it right). Also, Sleeping Dogs looks like it might be a sleeper GOTY. (There are also other that i am missing).
As for RPG (MMORPG) of the year, I think GW2 would edge out TSW between the two, just because of how much polish and detail is involved in it (both have great great qualities). But they are also competing against FIrefall, Neverwinter, Bioshock Infinite, and any of the single player RPGs that came out this year (really, I can't remember 1 that really stands out to me this calander year, but I might be forgetting one).
EDIT: Not saying Max Payne 3 was that great, just saying it is the best PC game released this year, imo. Also--this isnt including indie games that dont usually make it to the GOTY pack (even with PC Gamer who has added a GOTY category for them). I am not surprised by this year sucking thusfar either, because of how strong the end of the year was last year
I am not interested in TSW just because of the fact that I am a PvPer and usually that's how I like to spend my game time. But I really want this game to succeed. Why? Because Funcom has some good ideas and ambitions, I'd like to see what else they can come up with down the road.
If not for goty it should definitely get something for originality. Hopefully it at least injects some spice into future titles
"I play Tera for the gameplay"
So am I bro. You can pvp forever after the tutorial. I skipped savage coast and blue montain. PvP and more PvP.
Dark souls PC version ;p, skyrim expac maybe, GW2 like you mentioned, whatever call of duty comes out, diablo 3, warcraft expansion, darkstryders 2, witcher 2 looks to be positioned well, Hitman, HALO 4!!!, Resident evil 6 and far cry if they return to what made them good.
The two games I am waiting for release september but no way GOTY for them, more players than TSW but get advertised less. So maybe 1 million copies sold each.
Secret world has to many gameplay issues, if it launched a year from now with a much much better combat system and animations that look realistic, added another 8 zones, added raids, fixed the merry go around PvP system and somehow balanced factions so templars don't wait 4 hours to PvP while dragons zone in outnumbered 20 to 1, overhaul the crafting system to have crafting help base the in game economy, Fix broken quests, there are way to many filler quests such as kill 10 mobs, make currency worth something, revamp the PvE animations, fighting a boss is boring when there are few tells and junk all over the screen. Fix broken quests. That would be a start, to get GOTY of the games I listed would take much more innovation.
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P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
Uh huh
Oh my God lol...
Well atleast we know there is a possibility. It's alright MMO for [ME], I had decided to buy to give me somthing to do till July 20th and then afterwards August 28th.
bcbully what server are you on?
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.