Originally posted by evilized They didn't hit their target sales. Can't give you exact numbers because I don't have that info but I do know with 100% certainty that their sales projection vs actual sales are way off and they are in damage control right now. It seems a fire has been lit under some of the top exec/dev's asses to fix "what's wrong" with the game so I would expect to see some fairly big changes over the next few months.
I am inclined to believe you on this. But isn't it only speculation? Do you have any sources?
I was going to post right before I saw yours that I thought it was strange that we didn't see any big names over at Zenimax Online announcing some kind of departure. Usually by now, we start seeing the guys responsible and/or scapegoats for releasing a sinking ship start making their "pursuing other opportunities" announcements.
The game isn't necessarily a sinking ship but they know there are problems and they want to work them out ASAP. As for people leaving the company, remember that they still have a console release coming up and will need all hands on deck to finish. No reason to cut experienced people and have to bring new ones up to speed this deep in development. If any staffing cuts happen they will probably be after Christmas / new years. I'm speculating on the cuts though, I have no insight on their staffing. The game has potential and I hope they can get things running smoothly over the next few months.
Yeah, OK, I retract my "sinking ship" comment, that is an exaggeration. But there are issues over there.
So far there have been no lay offs or even people leaving or anything that might suggest a sinking ship. So they have so much money they can afford to keep up such a front. This does not make sense. May be their budget for the game was not as high as people think. May be the initial sales made up for it and now whatever subs they can scrounge up is enough.
The only indication that this game has not done very well is the fact that Zenimax has been silent about the sales figure and the interest in the game on these boards if you compare to GW 2 at the same time frame has waned far more quickly and drastically.
No problem, you guys are just in time to not resub to this mediocre game and join Wildstar.
Player housing, deep customization, real endgame, real action combat, Warplots, monthly content patches, and thousand things more. In my eyes it's pretty clear where I'll be putting my money.
Wow, game hasnt released yet and you advertise some devspeak.
Guess what: it was supposed to be exactly the same in ESO....in SWTOR....in Rift....in AoC....in WHO...
If the numbers were that great they would have been posted all over the web. Any chance to get PR is good, be it good or bad news. I just don't think they broke any records.
If the news were this good, Zenimax would be singing it from the towers.
I won't speculate as to the actual numbers, but I promise you - Zenimax is keeping silent until the ass end of Second Quarter because they aren't going to reveal how badly this game failed to meet projections until the last possible minute to prevent a breach of fiduciary duty to their stockholders.
Considering that WoD has been canceled and AA isnt as great as once thought.. Not much left other than Landmark and possibly a pay in alpha for EQ Next. Wildstar may do well but with their devs flailing at trying to draw hype its a bit on the backburner.
I dont think there has been more than million sales for ESO since they havent said anything and one would assume they would if that were the case. But I do think that they have gotten enough to feel comfortable with delaying the console launch for 6 months.
WoD - Warlords of Draenor NOT World of Darkness
AA not as great as once thought? Huh?
Feeling comfortable to delay for 6 months? That's gotta be one of the most bizzare theories yet.
They delayed for 6 months not out of comfort - it's out of necessity - as that's how much more time they need to fix the game and get the console version done.
6 month console delay = 6 months of additional expenses - there's zero comfort there - they're under the gun to get the game fixed and console versions finished.
Need to be specific then.. When there are 2 things with the same abbreviations one cant assume others know which is which.
AA isnt as good as I had hoped. It is like the typical asian game in many aspects and different in others but not different enough.
And yes. If they were hurting I think they would not have delayed the console version for 6 months. I am not sure what you are saying when you say they are trying to " fix " the game. I havent had any trouble out of the game yet. The few quests that were bugged were fixed with simple log off and back on. Nothing major at all. Nothing as annoying as loot lag from WoW that happened all the time.
Speculations speculations speculations. You guys should trade in the stock market, you might or might not get a profit because of speculations.
Anyways, over the physical copy and digital copy debate, again, this has been a speculation. If you guys remember, Tamriel foundry made a survey with about 4,000 respondents and they have more than 80% of the respondents said they bought the game digitally. I'm not implying anything, I'm just basing off my facts on a survey with a sample size of about 4,000.
EDIT: The survey I'm telling about is on 10:19 mark of the video I linked.
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If the news were this good, Zenimax would be singing it from the towers.
I won't speculate as to the actual numbers, but I promise you - Zenimax is keeping silent until the ass end of Second Quarter because they aren't going to reveal how badly this game failed to meet projections until the last possible minute to prevent a breach of fiduciary duty to their stockholders.
i'm fairly certain zeni is a privately owned company. i don't think they have to release their financials to anyone except the IRS.
Speculations speculations speculations. You guys should trade in the stock market, you might or might not get a profit because of speculations.
Anyways, over the physical copy and digital copy debate, again, this has been a speculation. If you guys remember, Tamriel foundry made a survey with about 4,000 respondents and they have more than 80% of the respondents said they bought the game digitally. I'm not implying anything, I'm just basing off my facts on a survey with a sample size of about 4,000.
EDIT: The survey I'm telling about is on 10:19 mark of the video I linked.
people posting on a niche website over the internet were more apt to buy something digitally? you don't say...
Speculations speculations speculations. You guys should trade in the stock market, you might or might not get a profit because of speculations.
Anyways, over the physical copy and digital copy debate, again, this has been a speculation. If you guys remember, Tamriel foundry made a survey with about 4,000 respondents and they have more than 80% of the respondents said they bought the game digitally. I'm not implying anything, I'm just basing off my facts on a survey with a sample size of about 4,000.
EDIT: The survey I'm telling about is on 10:19 mark of the video I linked.
people posting on a niche website over the internet were more apt to buy something digitally? you don't say...
You think ESO sold more physical copies than digital downloads?
Originally posted by evilized What I'm saying is that digital probably didn't make up 80% of sales. I doubt boxes did either, it's more than likely a good bit closer in the middle.
Originally posted by bcbully Since this article was made, over the course of 4 weeks ESO has sold another 60k hard copies.
So after first month its not even 1.5m sales, even if we take the optimistic side. My numbers are right then for the subs. Around 400-500k after free month is not even close to what they expected from a TESO IP.
This is true, the copy sales regardless digital or hard copies, does not really make much effects on maintaining the server and its further development in (let's say) 5 years. It's really about the subcription. Let's say, with all the voice acting and what not, the fund on developing the game (said most reports) is about 200 million $, so 1.5 mil sales would be roughly about 120 - 180 mil, depending on how many people purchased the standard or collector, let's say everyone purchased the collector it would be 1.5m x 120 AUD = 180mil. They are still have a long way to go to get that whole 200 mil back, plus the odds of most people that purchased the game to resubscribe the game is quite slim (atleast based on my community who bought the game its like 1/10 people would resubscribe, this could be different for other people out there). I hope they just fix the problem, and get their stuff straight, because so far in my opinion, it does not worth 80$ + subs.
Speculations speculations speculations. You guys should trade in the stock market, you might or might not get a profit because of speculations.
Anyways, over the physical copy and digital copy debate, again, this has been a speculation. If you guys remember, Tamriel foundry made a survey with about 4,000 respondents and they have more than 80% of the respondents said they bought the game digitally. I'm not implying anything, I'm just basing off my facts on a survey with a sample size of about 4,000.
EDIT: The survey I'm telling about is on 10:19 mark of the video I linked.
people posting on a niche website over the internet were more apt to buy something digitally? you don't say...
You think ESO sold more physical copies than digital downloads?
It's certainly as plausible as the numbers you threw out there. Do you know how easy it is to order a digital WoW expansion when you're already a subscriber?
I'm just pointing out that the sample set is probably skewed towards digital downloads since the poll was hosted on a forum of a fairly obscure website (if you aren't really into elder scrolls you won't know about tamrielfoundry). It would be the same as setting up a polling station in a gamestop and then saying 95% of all sales were hard copy based on the results.
The only way to know would be for ZoS to release the info themselves and that probably will not happen. If there had been a poll in game or on the cd-key registration site you would have accurate numbers but you can't take a single poll's results and call it fact.
Originally posted by evilized I'm just pointing out that the sample set is probably skewed towards digital downloads since the poll was hosted on a forum of a fairly obscure website (if you aren't really into elder scrolls you won't know about tamrielfoundry). It would be the same as setting up a polling station in a gamestop and then saying 95% of all sales were hard copy based on the results.
The only way to know would be for ZoS to release the info themselves and that probably will not happen. If there had been a poll in game or on the cd-key registration site you would have accurate numbers but you can't take a single poll's results and call it fact.
So you don't think ESO sold more physical than digital?
Originally posted by evilized I'm just pointing out that the sample set is probably skewed towards digital downloads since the poll was hosted on a forum of a fairly obscure website (if you aren't really into elder scrolls you won't know about tamrielfoundry). It would be the same as setting up a polling station in a gamestop and then saying 95% of all sales were hard copy based on the results.
The only way to know would be for ZoS to release the info themselves and that probably will not happen. If there had been a poll in game or on the cd-key registration site you would have accurate numbers but you can't take a single poll's results and call it fact.
So you don't think ESO sold more physical than digital?
Based on my own personal experience of only ever having purchased one (1) game via digital download in my life......plus the article linked by the other poster where even EA indicate that they expect digital downloads to account for the majority of sales in the NEXT 2-3 years....then sure why not?
Or are you saying you are better informed about these types of market conditions than a massive company like EA?
Originally posted by evilized I'm just pointing out that the sample set is probably skewed towards digital downloads since the poll was hosted on a forum of a fairly obscure website (if you aren't really into elder scrolls you won't know about tamrielfoundry). It would be the same as setting up a polling station in a gamestop and then saying 95% of all sales were hard copy based on the results.
The only way to know would be for ZoS to release the info themselves and that probably will not happen. If there had been a poll in game or on the cd-key registration site you would have accurate numbers but you can't take a single poll's results and call it fact.
So you don't think ESO sold more physical than digital?
Based on my own personal experience of only ever having purchased one (1) game via digital download in my life......plus the article linked by the other poster where even EA indicate that they expect digital downloads to account for the majority of sales in the NEXT 2-3 years....then sure why not?
Or are you saying you are better informed about these types of market conditions than a massive company like EA?
Console games =/= to PC Games. Ofcourse more "video games" are physical copies. PC game downloads surpassed box sales back in 2010.
Originally posted by evilized What I'm saying is that digital probably didn't make up 80% of sales. I doubt boxes did either, it's more than likely a good bit closer in the middle.
Here's the entire conversation so we don't get lost. It's best to quote someone when responding to them.
Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by evilized
Originally posted by JHenry
Speculations speculations speculations. You guys should trade in the stock market, you might or might not get a profit because of speculations.
Anyways, over the physical copy and digital copy debate, again, this has been a speculation. If you guys remember, Tamriel foundry made a survey with about 4,000 respondents and they have more than 80% of the respondents said they bought the game digitally. I'm not implying anything, I'm just basing off my facts on a survey with a sample size of about 4,000.
EDIT: The survey I'm telling about is on 10:19 mark of the video I linked.
people posting on a niche website over the internet were more apt to buy something digitally? you don't say...
You think ESO sold more physical copies than digital downloads?
Originally posted by evilized I'm just pointing out that the sample set is probably skewed towards digital downloads since the poll was hosted on a forum of a fairly obscure website (if you aren't really into elder scrolls you won't know about tamrielfoundry). It would be the same as setting up a polling station in a gamestop and then saying 95% of all sales were hard copy based on the results.
The only way to know would be for ZoS to release the info themselves and that probably will not happen. If there had been a poll in game or on the cd-key registration site you would have accurate numbers but you can't take a single poll's results and call it fact.
So you don't think ESO sold more physical than digital?
Originally posted by evilized What I'm saying is that digital probably didn't make up 80% of sales. I doubt boxes did either, it's more than likely a good bit closer in the middle.
So 60-80% Digital and 40-20% Physical?
Just trying to get a simple answer from you. Do you believe ESO sold more physical than digital copies?
It doesn't matter if they did release their sales. nobody would believe them if they said sales were good. If they said sales were bad, everyone would believe. They can't win either way with this metric.
Originally posted by mgilbrtsn It doesn't matter if they did release their sales. nobody would believe them if they said sales were good. If they said sales were bad, everyone would believe. They can't win either way with this metric.
Originally posted by evilized I'm just pointing out that the sample set is probably skewed towards digital downloads since the poll was hosted on a forum of a fairly obscure website (if you aren't really into elder scrolls you won't know about tamrielfoundry). It would be the same as setting up a polling station in a gamestop and then saying 95% of all sales were hard copy based on the results.
The only way to know would be for ZoS to release the info themselves and that probably will not happen. If there had been a poll in game or on the cd-key registration site you would have accurate numbers but you can't take a single poll's results and call it fact.
So you don't think ESO sold more physical than digital?
I don't think ANY game sells more physical copies than digital these days. I do not have a single friend in my social circle who has bought a physical copy of a game in at least 5 years. Not a single copy from a game store (PC games, I mean). That is catching up quickly with consoles, but admittedly I buy my console games in disk form still.
Originally posted by mgilbrtsn It doesn't matter if they did release their sales. nobody would believe them if they said sales were good. If they said sales were bad, everyone would believe. They can't win either way with this metric.
I doubt they can publicly lie about their sales.
That wouldn't stop people from disbelieving. I've seen it....sadly
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Yeah, OK, I retract my "sinking ship" comment, that is an exaggeration. But there are issues over there.
When was first round of layoffs in SWTOR?
Wow, game hasnt released yet and you advertise some devspeak.
Guess what: it was supposed to be exactly the same in ESO....in SWTOR....in Rift....in AoC....in WHO...
So...lol
If the news were this good, Zenimax would be singing it from the towers.
I won't speculate as to the actual numbers, but I promise you - Zenimax is keeping silent until the ass end of Second Quarter because they aren't going to reveal how badly this game failed to meet projections until the last possible minute to prevent a breach of fiduciary duty to their stockholders.
Need to be specific then.. When there are 2 things with the same abbreviations one cant assume others know which is which.
AA isnt as good as I had hoped. It is like the typical asian game in many aspects and different in others but not different enough.
And yes. If they were hurting I think they would not have delayed the console version for 6 months. I am not sure what you are saying when you say they are trying to " fix " the game. I havent had any trouble out of the game yet. The few quests that were bugged were fixed with simple log off and back on. Nothing major at all. Nothing as annoying as loot lag from WoW that happened all the time.
Speculations speculations speculations. You guys should trade in the stock market, you might or might not get a profit because of speculations.
Anyways, over the physical copy and digital copy debate, again, this has been a speculation. If you guys remember, Tamriel foundry made a survey with about 4,000 respondents and they have more than 80% of the respondents said they bought the game digitally. I'm not implying anything, I'm just basing off my facts on a survey with a sample size of about 4,000.
EDIT: The survey I'm telling about is on 10:19 mark of the video I linked.
SOLA - www.solaguild.com
(christian guild. Being christian is not required for membership though)
i'm fairly certain zeni is a privately owned company. i don't think they have to release their financials to anyone except the IRS.
people posting on a niche website over the internet were more apt to buy something digitally? you don't say...
You think ESO sold more physical copies than digital downloads?
So 60-80% Digital and 40-20% Physical?
This is true, the copy sales regardless digital or hard copies, does not really make much effects on maintaining the server and its further development in (let's say) 5 years. It's really about the subcription. Let's say, with all the voice acting and what not, the fund on developing the game (said most reports) is about 200 million $, so 1.5 mil sales would be roughly about 120 - 180 mil, depending on how many people purchased the standard or collector, let's say everyone purchased the collector it would be 1.5m x 120 AUD = 180mil. They are still have a long way to go to get that whole 200 mil back, plus the odds of most people that purchased the game to resubscribe the game is quite slim (atleast based on my community who bought the game its like 1/10 people would resubscribe, this could be different for other people out there). I hope they just fix the problem, and get their stuff straight, because so far in my opinion, it does not worth 80$ + subs.
The MMO? Was a hectic game imo.
It's certainly as plausible as the numbers you threw out there. Do you know how easy it is to order a digital WoW expansion when you're already a subscriber?
The only way to know would be for ZoS to release the info themselves and that probably will not happen. If there had been a poll in game or on the cd-key registration site you would have accurate numbers but you can't take a single poll's results and call it fact.
So you don't think ESO sold more physical than digital?
Based on my own personal experience of only ever having purchased one (1) game via digital download in my life......plus the article linked by the other poster where even EA indicate that they expect digital downloads to account for the majority of sales in the NEXT 2-3 years....then sure why not?
Or are you saying you are better informed about these types of market conditions than a massive company like EA?
Console games =/= to PC Games. Ofcourse more "video games" are physical copies. PC game downloads surpassed box sales back in 2010.
On mmorpg.com this needs to be explained /sigh
Here's the entire conversation so we don't get lost. It's best to quote someone when responding to them.
Just trying to get a simple answer from you. Do you believe ESO sold more physical than digital copies?
I self identify as a monkey.
All hot air - steam to be precise.
I doubt they can publicly lie about their sales.
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I don't think ANY game sells more physical copies than digital these days. I do not have a single friend in my social circle who has bought a physical copy of a game in at least 5 years. Not a single copy from a game store (PC games, I mean). That is catching up quickly with consoles, but admittedly I buy my console games in disk form still.
That wouldn't stop people from disbelieving. I've seen it....sadly
I self identify as a monkey.