Was thinking "hmmm why did I stop playing that game..?".
And then I remembered what the combat was like.
"Not like in WoW."
Baw haw haw...
GW2 combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine.
Tera combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine
Firefall combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine.
XCOMs combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine and it's even turnbased.
FFXIV 's combat engine is utter shit.
Try stating it a third time, let's see if it becomes true then?
We could latch on to the whole "I'm just giving a shitty opinion" thing you've got going on here but I think we're avoiding a bullet there. We might get more of the same in the worst case.
Judging by how long and often its been repeated by numerous people before I ever said anything, I'd say it's been true for a long time. But you keep fanboying, maybe a year or two from now the game will miraculously develop a good combat system and you'll feel justified.
Was thinking "hmmm why did I stop playing that game..?".
And then I remembered what the combat was like.
"Not like in WoW."
Baw haw haw...
GW2 combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine.
Tera combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine
Firefall combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine.
XCOMs combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine and it's even turnbased.
FFXIV 's combat engine is utter shit.
Try stating it a third time, let's see if it becomes true then?
We could latch on to the whole "I'm just giving a shitty opinion" thing you've got going on here but I think we're avoiding a bullet there. We might get more of the same in the worst case.
Judging by how long and often its been repeated by numerous people before I ever said anything, I'd say it's been true for a long time. But you keep fanboying, maybe a year or two from now the game will miraculously develop a good combat system and you'll feel justified.
Seeing that it has a rather large number of people playing, equal to, more than, or around the same as the mmorpg games that you listed, I would say that your opinion is of the minority. They manage to do this with a subscription, which none of those other games have. People obviously like it enough to keep paying monthly........
James T. Kirk: All she's got isn't good enough! What else ya got?
Was thinking "hmmm why did I stop playing that game..?".
And then I remembered what the combat was like.
"Not like in WoW."
Baw haw haw...
GW2 combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine.
Tera combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine
Firefall combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine.
XCOMs combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine and it's even turnbased.
FFXIV 's combat engine is utter shit.
Try stating it a third time, let's see if it becomes true then?
We could latch on to the whole "I'm just giving a shitty opinion" thing you've got going on here but I think we're avoiding a bullet there. We might get more of the same in the worst case.
Judging by how long and often its been repeated by numerous people before I ever said anything, I'd say it's been true for a long time. But you keep fanboying, maybe a year or two from now the game will miraculously develop a good combat system and you'll feel justified.
Seeing that it has a rather large number of people playing, equal to, more than, or around the same as the mmorpg games that you listed, I would say that your opinion is of the minority. They manage to do this with a subscription, which none of those other games have. People obviously like it enough to keep paying monthly........
Just stop with the obvious fallacies. FFXIV, like all games, is the sum of its parts; and it does many things remarkably well. Combat isn't one of them.
Your argument would be like me saying Destiny has a great storyline because it has lots of players...Or Oblivion had great combat. It's pure nonsense.
Was thinking "hmmm why did I stop playing that game..?".
And then I remembered what the combat was like.
"Not like in WoW."
Baw haw haw...
GW2 combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine.
Tera combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine
Firefall combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine.
XCOMs combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine and it's even turnbased.
FFXIV 's combat engine is utter shit.
Try stating it a third time, let's see if it becomes true then?
We could latch on to the whole "I'm just giving a shitty opinion" thing you've got going on here but I think we're avoiding a bullet there. We might get more of the same in the worst case.
Judging by how long and often its been repeated by numerous people before I ever said anything, I'd say it's been true for a long time. But you keep fanboying, maybe a year or two from now the game will miraculously develop a good combat system and you'll feel justified.
Well you can call fanboy all you want but I enjoy the combat system in my and many other peoples opinion it is good. Also GW2 has action elements to it as well as tab elements.
Gw2 action elements consist of pressing a button and having an short timespan of immunity frames. Its a tab target game.
Was thinking "hmmm why did I stop playing that game..?".
And then I remembered what the combat was like.
"Not like in WoW."
Baw haw haw...
GW2 combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine.
Tera combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine
Firefall combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine.
XCOMs combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine and it's even turnbased.
FFXIV 's combat engine is utter shit.
Try stating it a third time, let's see if it becomes true then?
We could latch on to the whole "I'm just giving a shitty opinion" thing you've got going on here but I think we're avoiding a bullet there. We might get more of the same in the worst case.
Judging by how long and often its been repeated by numerous people before I ever said anything, I'd say it's been true for a long time. But you keep fanboying, maybe a year or two from now the game will miraculously develop a good combat system and you'll feel justified.
Seeing that it has a rather large number of people playing, equal to, more than, or around the same as the mmorpg games that you listed, I would say that your opinion is of the minority. They manage to do this with a subscription, which none of those other games have. People obviously like it enough to keep paying monthly........
Just stop with the obvious fallacies. FFXIV, like all games, is the sum of its parts; and it does many things remarkably well. Combat isn't one of them.
Your argument would be like me saying Destiny has a great storyline because it has lots of players. It's pure nonsense.
No you stop stating things as if they were facts. The underlined is opinion and nothing more.
Saying a chocolate cake tastes good is an opinion too, and you going to throw a tantrum and stamp your feet because most people think cake tastes good?
Was thinking "hmmm why did I stop playing that game..?".
And then I remembered what the combat was like.
"Not like in WoW."
Baw haw haw...
GW2 combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine.
Tera combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine
Firefall combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine.
XCOMs combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine and it's even turnbased.
FFXIV 's combat engine is utter shit.
Try stating it a third time, let's see if it becomes true then?
We could latch on to the whole "I'm just giving a shitty opinion" thing you've got going on here but I think we're avoiding a bullet there. We might get more of the same in the worst case.
Judging by how long and often its been repeated by numerous people before I ever said anything, I'd say it's been true for a long time. But you keep fanboying, maybe a year or two from now the game will miraculously develop a good combat system and you'll feel justified.
Seeing that it has a rather large number of people playing, equal to, more than, or around the same as the mmorpg games that you listed, I would say that your opinion is of the minority. They manage to do this with a subscription, which none of those other games have. People obviously like it enough to keep paying monthly........
Just stop with the obvious fallacies. FFXIV, like all games, is the sum of its parts; and it does many things remarkably well. Combat isn't one of them.
Your argument would be like me saying Destiny has a great storyline because it has lots of players...Or Oblivion had great combat. It's pure nonsense.
Don't know why you have such a hate on for FFXIV;ARR, but having played several of the games you listed, i don't really see how you can say their combat systems are better than that of FFXIV;ARR, i also disagree that the combat system is bad at all, i think the fact that the game is as popular as it is, is testament to the fact that the combat system, along with the rest of the game, is more than good enough, if you don't like it, thats fine, but that doesn't make it bad. As for your comments about Destiny and Oblivion etc, hardly reinforces your arguments about FFXIV;ARR, so far you have stated that FFXIV;ARR combat is clunky, it isn't, and while it may not be quite as smooth as that in WoW, it does at least, handle it as well, if not better than games such as Tera, GW2, SW;TOR even, so you hate FFXIV;ARR, thats okay, nobody is forced into liking every game there is, but if your going to find fault with a game, at least use valid reasons, if you use the overly well used, its 'shit because i say so' then your argument will not be the only thing to lack credibility.
I think anyone who would find WoW's combat fluid would describe FFXIV's as clunky or mired. The reason is that you have up to twice the down time between actions. (varies by class) Which would be fine if there was more to do in that down time such as if classes were significantly more complex than WoW's or if there was some sort of group dynamic like in FFXI. So players that are accustomed to WoW can easily have the next action ready in under 1-1.5 seconds like in WoW but are stuck waiting another second standing around doing nothing while the gcd comes off of cooldown.
Of course there are a lot of people who don't like WoW's combat for various reason so a game that feels clunky to WoW players my appeal to a significant audience. FFXIV does have the advantage of having the slow combat niche to themselves as every game in the last 10 years has either copied WoW or aimed for action-ish combat so having combat outside the mainstream may be one of the things boosting FFXIV's numbers.
I think it's impossible to say definitively if the combat is hurting or helping FFXIVs numbers. One of the issues muddying the waters is that no other game is adding non-combat content at the rate FFXIV is. Actually no game is adding content in general at the rate FFXIV is so there is no similar game out there with faster/action combat we can realistically compare it to.
Was thinking "hmmm why did I stop playing that game..?".
And then I remembered what the combat was like.
"Not like in WoW."
Baw haw haw...
GW2 combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine.
Tera combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine
Firefall combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine.
XCOMs combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine and it's even turnbased.
FFXIV 's combat engine is utter shit.
Try stating it a third time, let's see if it becomes true then?
We could latch on to the whole "I'm just giving a shitty opinion" thing you've got going on here but I think we're avoiding a bullet there. We might get more of the same in the worst case.
Judging by how long and often its been repeated by numerous people before I ever said anything, I'd say it's been true for a long time. But you keep fanboying, maybe a year or two from now the game will miraculously develop a good combat system and you'll feel justified.
Seeing that it has a rather large number of people playing, equal to, more than, or around the same as the mmorpg games that you listed, I would say that your opinion is of the minority. They manage to do this with a subscription, which none of those other games have. People obviously like it enough to keep paying monthly........
Just stop with the obvious fallacies. FFXIV, like all games, is the sum of its parts; and it does many things remarkably well. Combat isn't one of them.
Your argument would be like me saying Destiny has a great storyline because it has lots of players...Or Oblivion had great combat. It's pure nonsense.
You are making an assumption that the combat system isn't what's kept that many players subscribed for over 16 months. Or that it's why those who didn't stay, left. And that it's why those who are on the fence won't jump back in. I'm sure combat may be a factor, But I'd be willing to bet it's not as big of one as you are making it out.
I'll admit, ARR's combat is no crown jewel in the genre and I'd like to see some improvement in its combat system, Mostly the speed. However, I'll still take it over other systems mentioned in this thread that are "supposedly" better. (but aren't really)
I think anyone who would find WoW's combat fluid would describe FFXIV's as clunky or mired. The reason is that you have up to twice the down time between actions. (varies by class) Which would be fine if there was more to do in that down time such as if classes were significantly more complex than WoW's or if there was some sort of group dynamic like in FFXI. So players that are accustomed to WoW can easily have the next action ready in under 1-1.5 seconds like in WoW but are stuck waiting another second standing around doing nothing while the gcd comes off of cooldown.
Oh geez. This doesn't become true no matter how many times people try to say it.
The game does a fantastic job with making their combat system work in the given context. What the game loses in whack-a-mole-speed it gains in environmental hazards. It's a simple concept anyone ought to grasp without explanations necessary but some people constantly get stuck in the GCD limbo. The longer the GCD the more pressure from environment can be implemented & the more precision can be asked of the player. Period.
The fact is FFXIV manages to implement content that can constantly rivals WoW at any level be it casual or hardcore. This has been the #1 comment on pretty much every hardcore raider experienced on both games. The relevant question here is if the game had a 2.5sec GCD and nothing to make up for the fact the encounters would end up being easier than in WoW. Yet mysteriously this isn't the case. Either the playerbase is incompetent compared to the "WoW master race" (LOL) or anyone who thinks FFXIV's reduced whack-a-mole speed isn't made up by the encounter design is completely & utterly delusional.
Easy encounters are easy in both games. This is a fact. If you find yourself standing around in FFXIV doesn't mean you wouldn't be doing something piss-easy in WoW as well. And if you compare casual FFXIV content to hardcore WoW content you really need to get help.
Of course this neglects the plethora of off-CD skills for most classes but with comments like the one I quoted you can never know whether the guy has even made it to level 50 before speaking such oblivious things about the game. WoW pre-level cap is not exactly the epitome of incredible combat unless you suffer from ADHD. In fact FFXIV constantly beats WoW in the encounter/dungeon design so that is also debatable. However the real magic happens in the endgame regardless of the game.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
Originally posted by Jemcrystal Thx for the update. I gave my guild to a newb and left when Ultimate Game Card shut down. Ultimate Game Card was how I paid for subscription games. In the USA Square Enix has no game card.
i do believe that paysafecard is out in the us, not sure if its where u live but i know it our there
Was thinking "hmmm why did I stop playing that game..?".
And then I remembered what the combat was like.
"Not like in WoW."
Baw haw haw...
The A.D.D. generation. That one second takes forevvvveeerrrr.
Yeah. I mean it couldn't possibly be that he just enjoys faster paced combat. Must have a mental disorder.
Way to make it like I said he was mentally insane or something Mr hyperbole.
You seem to think that people who enjoy faster paced combat in MMO's have a mental disorder. There's no hyperbole about it. If you don't enjoy the slower-paced combat of FFXIV, then you have ADD. Your words, not mine.
Was thinking "hmmm why did I stop playing that game..?".
And then I remembered what the combat was like.
"Not like in WoW."
Baw haw haw...
GW2 combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine.
Tera combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine
Firefall combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine.
XCOMs combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine and it's even turnbased.
FFXIV 's combat engine is utter shit.
Try stating it a third time, let's see if it becomes true then?
We could latch on to the whole "I'm just giving a shitty opinion" thing you've got going on here but I think we're avoiding a bullet there. We might get more of the same in the worst case.
Judging by how long and often its been repeated by numerous people before I ever said anything, I'd say it's been true for a long time. But you keep fanboying, maybe a year or two from now the game will miraculously develop a good combat system and you'll feel justified.
Well that is one convenient argument. It's so good we can use it for every issue ever. God is real, Russia is not in Ukraine, the wealth will trickle down. It's not the validity of the arguments but the amount of arguers that counts. Makes sense from a WoW player - you can have 10 million little sheep go "baa!" at once. Glad to have your stance made clear.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
Saying a chocolate cake tastes good is an opinion too, and you going to throw a tantrum and stamp your feet because most people think cake tastes good?
If this was mere opinion a) he wouldn't be arguing it (on what grounds if it was a mere opinion) and b) he wouldn't be sh*tting on opinions that disagree with his. Having no decency of the opposite side to provide arguments for your stance is a jerky thing to do. It's a pretty simple concept.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
Was thinking "hmmm why did I stop playing that game..?".
And then I remembered what the combat was like.
"Not like in WoW."
Baw haw haw...
GW2 combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine.
Tera combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine
Firefall combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine.
XCOMs combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine and it's even turnbased.
FFXIV 's combat engine is utter shit.
Try stating it a third time, let's see if it becomes true then?
We could latch on to the whole "I'm just giving a shitty opinion" thing you've got going on here but I think we're avoiding a bullet there. We might get more of the same in the worst case.
Judging by how long and often its been repeated by numerous people before I ever said anything, I'd say it's been true for a long time. But you keep fanboying, maybe a year or two from now the game will miraculously develop a good combat system and you'll feel justified.
Makes sense from a WoW player - you can have 10 million little sheep go "baa!" at once. Glad to have your stance made clear.
Obviously, WoW has 10 million "little sheep" because they're all brainwashed. It couldn't possibly be because it's still one of the best themepark MMO's on the market.
Was thinking "hmmm why did I stop playing that game..?".
And then I remembered what the combat was like.
"Not like in WoW."
Baw haw haw...
GW2 combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine.
Tera combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine
Firefall combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine.
XCOMs combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine and it's even turnbased.
FFXIV 's combat engine is utter shit.
Try stating it a third time, let's see if it becomes true then?
We could latch on to the whole "I'm just giving a shitty opinion" thing you've got going on here but I think we're avoiding a bullet there. We might get more of the same in the worst case.
Judging by how long and often its been repeated by numerous people before I ever said anything, I'd say it's been true for a long time. But you keep fanboying, maybe a year or two from now the game will miraculously develop a good combat system and you'll feel justified.
Makes sense from a WoW player - you can have 10 million little sheep go "baa!" at once. Glad to have your stance made clear.
Obviously, WoW has 10 million "little sheep" because they're all brainwashed. It couldn't possibly be because it's still one of the best themepark MMO's on the market.
It sure as hell isn't because of Blizzard's year+ content draughts at a time, that's for sure. But don't get me wrong, I am extremely certain those 10 million players would have kept going with content draughts of this scale back in ~2010.
Disrespecting the customers time and time again aside, it is one of the best themepark MMOs on the market. A good question is why wouldn't you screw your customers if they're being this loyal to the product? Nothing better for business than brainwashed sheep with a Stockholm's syndrome. Reminds me of that one elephant being chained to a small rope, thinking it can't get free because it was first conditioned to believe so with a massive iron chain.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
Was thinking "hmmm why did I stop playing that game..?".
And then I remembered what the combat was like.
"Not like in WoW."
Baw haw haw...
GW2 combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine.
Tera combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine
Firefall combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine.
XCOMs combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine and it's even turnbased.
FFXIV 's combat engine is utter shit.
Try stating it a third time, let's see if it becomes true then?
We could latch on to the whole "I'm just giving a shitty opinion" thing you've got going on here but I think we're avoiding a bullet there. We might get more of the same in the worst case.
Judging by how long and often its been repeated by numerous people before I ever said anything, I'd say it's been true for a long time. But you keep fanboying, maybe a year or two from now the game will miraculously develop a good combat system and you'll feel justified.
Makes sense from a WoW player - you can have 10 million little sheep go "baa!" at once. Glad to have your stance made clear.
Obviously, WoW has 10 million "little sheep" because they're all brainwashed. It couldn't possibly be because it's still one of the best themepark MMO's on the market.
It sure as hell isn't because of Blizzard's year+ content draughts at a time, that's for sure. But don't get me wrong, I am extremely certain those 10 million players would have kept going with content draughts of this scale back in ~2010.
Disrespecting the customers time and time again aside, it is one of the best themepark MMOs on the market. A good question is why wouldn't you screw your customers if they're being this loyal to the product? Nothing better for business than brainwashed sheep with a Stockholm's syndrome. Reminds me of that one elephant being chained to a small rope, thinking it can't get free because it was first conditioned to believe so with a massive iron chain.
Lol... Whatever you say. Final Fantasy fans are way more brainwashed than WoW fans, IMO. See your posts defending version 1.0 for evidence.
Was thinking "hmmm why did I stop playing that game..?".
And then I remembered what the combat was like.
"Not like in WoW."
Baw haw haw...
GW2 combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine.
Tera combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine
Firefall combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine.
XCOMs combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine and it's even turnbased.
FFXIV 's combat engine is utter shit.
Try stating it a third time, let's see if it becomes true then?
We could latch on to the whole "I'm just giving a shitty opinion" thing you've got going on here but I think we're avoiding a bullet there. We might get more of the same in the worst case.
Judging by how long and often its been repeated by numerous people before I ever said anything, I'd say it's been true for a long time. But you keep fanboying, maybe a year or two from now the game will miraculously develop a good combat system and you'll feel justified.
Makes sense from a WoW player - you can have 10 million little sheep go "baa!" at once. Glad to have your stance made clear.
Obviously, WoW has 10 million "little sheep" because they're all brainwashed. It couldn't possibly be because it's still one of the best themepark MMO's on the market.
It sure as hell isn't because of Blizzard's year+ content draughts at a time, that's for sure. But don't get me wrong, I am extremely certain those 10 million players would have kept going with content draughts of this scale back in ~2010.
Disrespecting the customers time and time again aside, it is one of the best themepark MMOs on the market. A good question is why wouldn't you screw your customers if they're being this loyal to the product? Nothing better for business than brainwashed sheep with a Stockholm's syndrome. Reminds me of that one elephant being chained to a small rope, thinking it can't get free because it was first conditioned to believe so with a massive iron chain.
It's not exactly easy to make new content for the biggest MMO in the world, and I think players sitting around for a year is a testament to how good the game is. But this seems to be your only gripe with WoW, perhaps going outside or playing more casually would alleviate the drought so you arent blazing through content so fast.
It's not exactly easy to make new content for the biggest MMO in the world, and I think players sitting around for a year is a testament to how good the game is. But this seems to be your only gripe with WoW, perhaps going outside or playing more casually would alleviate the drought so you arent blazing through content so fast.
Square-Enix seems to have no trouble doing so with a fraction of the revenue gained compared to Blizzard. What you don't get is that I (and nobody else) has to deal with Blizzard's massive disrespect towards the customer when there are better deals out there. I think it is a testament of Blizzard's arrogance that they can't achieve with 10 million subscribers what Square-Enix achieves with <1 million. Just let that sink in for a second. Though I am getting the vibe here that you aren't even aware just how much effort SE puts into their game and are just talking out of ignorance. Otherwise you wouldn't be such an apologist towards Blizzard's greedy practices. There is simply no excuse for Blizzard's disrespect towards the customer. NONE. SE is doing what Blizzard is no longer willing to do. That's the one fact that is undeniable no matter how much some people want to deny it. Why would I touch WoW with a long stick? It's a good game but I don't exactly like being forced to bend over and take it.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
I like FFXIV a lot. Classes and professions are top notch, but combat...really sucks. Its worse than WoW's combat, which i think its a bit retarded anymore.
Even as that, i prefer FFXIV than WoW by a mile.
All Time Favorites: EQ1, WoW, EvE, GW1 Playing Now: WoW, ESO, GW2
Was thinking "hmmm why did I stop playing that game..?".
And then I remembered what the combat was like.
"Not like in WoW."
Baw haw haw...
GW2 combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine.
Tera combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine
Firefall combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine.
XCOMs combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine and it's even turnbased.
FFXIV 's combat engine is utter shit.
Try stating it a third time, let's see if it becomes true then?
We could latch on to the whole "I'm just giving a shitty opinion" thing you've got going on here but I think we're avoiding a bullet there. We might get more of the same in the worst case.
Judging by how long and often its been repeated by numerous people before I ever said anything, I'd say it's been true for a long time. But you keep fanboying, maybe a year or two from now the game will miraculously develop a good combat system and you'll feel justified.
Makes sense from a WoW player - you can have 10 million little sheep go "baa!" at once. Glad to have your stance made clear.
Obviously, WoW has 10 million "little sheep" because they're all brainwashed. It couldn't possibly be because it's still one of the best themepark MMO's on the market.
It sure as hell isn't because of Blizzard's year+ content draughts at a time, that's for sure. But don't get me wrong, I am extremely certain those 10 million players would have kept going with content draughts of this scale back in ~2010.
Disrespecting the customers time and time again aside, it is one of the best themepark MMOs on the market. A good question is why wouldn't you screw your customers if they're being this loyal to the product? Nothing better for business than brainwashed sheep with a Stockholm's syndrome. Reminds me of that one elephant being chained to a small rope, thinking it can't get free because it was first conditioned to believe so with a massive iron chain.
Lol... Whatever you say. Final Fantasy fans are way more brainwashed than WoW fans, IMO. See your posts defending version 1.0 for evidence.
The tables have flipped and you haven't even noticed. Such a sad sight to see.
I learn from my mistakes. You on the other hand seem to like being screwed over. But I'm not one to judge
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
Was thinking "hmmm why did I stop playing that game..?".
And then I remembered what the combat was like.
"Not like in WoW."
Baw haw haw...
GW2 combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine.
Tera combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine
Firefall combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine.
XCOMs combat is not like WoW, it's still a good combat engine and it's even turnbased.
FFXIV 's combat engine is utter shit.
Try stating it a third time, let's see if it becomes true then?
We could latch on to the whole "I'm just giving a shitty opinion" thing you've got going on here but I think we're avoiding a bullet there. We might get more of the same in the worst case.
Judging by how long and often its been repeated by numerous people before I ever said anything, I'd say it's been true for a long time. But you keep fanboying, maybe a year or two from now the game will miraculously develop a good combat system and you'll feel justified.
Makes sense from a WoW player - you can have 10 million little sheep go "baa!" at once. Glad to have your stance made clear.
Obviously, WoW has 10 million "little sheep" because they're all brainwashed. It couldn't possibly be because it's still one of the best themepark MMO's on the market.
It sure as hell isn't because of Blizzard's year+ content draughts at a time, that's for sure. But don't get me wrong, I am extremely certain those 10 million players would have kept going with content draughts of this scale back in ~2010.
Disrespecting the customers time and time again aside, it is one of the best themepark MMOs on the market. A good question is why wouldn't you screw your customers if they're being this loyal to the product? Nothing better for business than brainwashed sheep with a Stockholm's syndrome. Reminds me of that one elephant being chained to a small rope, thinking it can't get free because it was first conditioned to believe so with a massive iron chain.
Lol... Whatever you say. Final Fantasy fans are way more brainwashed than WoW fans, IMO. See your posts defending version 1.0 for evidence.
The tables have flipped and you haven't even noticed. Such a sad sight to see.
I learn from my mistakes. You on the other hand seem to like being screwed over. But I'm not one to judge
It's not exactly easy to make new content for the biggest MMO in the world, and I think players sitting around for a year is a testament to how good the game is. But this seems to be your only gripe with WoW, perhaps going outside or playing more casually would alleviate the drought so you arent blazing through content so fast.
Square-Enix seems to have no trouble doing so with a fraction of the revenue gained compared to Blizzard. What you don't get is that I (and nobody else) has to deal with Blizzard's massive disrespect towards the customer when there are better deals out there. I think it is a testament of Blizzard's arrogance that they can't achieve with 10 million subscribers what Square-Enix achieves with <1 million. Just let that sink in for a second. Though I am getting the vibe here that you aren't even aware just how much effort SE puts into their game and are just talking out of ignorance. Otherwise you wouldn't be such an apologist towards Blizzard's greedy practices. There is simply no excuse for Blizzard's disrespect towards the customer. NONE. SE is doing what Blizzard is no longer willing to do. That's the one fact that is undeniable no matter how much some people want to deny it. Why would I touch WoW with a long stick? It's a good game but I don't exactly like being forced to bend over and take it.
I'd rather wait and have polished content than crap honestly, and I dont think not releasing content every month can be considered "disrespectful". FFXIV released slaughter and it completely destroyed PvP in its already terrible state. Now they've released the GS which has increased 30min wait times to 1hr, and for PvE as well. Dumping shabby content every five seconds isnt a good thing, it leaves no time for them to fix whatever problems may arise. And really, if Blizz wanted to be greedy they could just do what Square is doing and release half thought-out material but charge for it instead, but quality is much more important to them so they wouldnt do that. And if there truly were any MMOs that were on par with WoW there wouldnt be millions of people playing WoW right now, would there?
Really, so the new defense for blizzard releasing no content for years is that they want to get it right, going by you logic they could have released .5 of a level and 5% of the garrison per month, and don't spend most of their patches hacking in balancing fixes - right?
blizzard are a classic case of failed waterfall development, either that or they are just greedy bastards. At least with ff you can see that the devs are trying to Produce value for money.
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Judging by how long and often its been repeated by numerous people before I ever said anything, I'd say it's been true for a long time. But you keep fanboying, maybe a year or two from now the game will miraculously develop a good combat system and you'll feel justified.
Yeah. I mean it couldn't possibly be that he just enjoys faster paced combat. Must have a mental disorder.
Seeing that it has a rather large number of people playing, equal to, more than, or around the same as the mmorpg games that you listed, I would say that your opinion is of the minority. They manage to do this with a subscription, which none of those other games have. People obviously like it enough to keep paying monthly........
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Just stop with the obvious fallacies. FFXIV, like all games, is the sum of its parts; and it does many things remarkably well. Combat isn't one of them.
Your argument would be like me saying Destiny has a great storyline because it has lots of players...Or Oblivion had great combat. It's pure nonsense.
Gw2 action elements consist of pressing a button and having an short timespan of immunity frames. Its a tab target game.
Saying a chocolate cake tastes good is an opinion too, and you going to throw a tantrum and stamp your feet because most people think cake tastes good?
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Don't know why you have such a hate on for FFXIV;ARR, but having played several of the games you listed, i don't really see how you can say their combat systems are better than that of FFXIV;ARR, i also disagree that the combat system is bad at all, i think the fact that the game is as popular as it is, is testament to the fact that the combat system, along with the rest of the game, is more than good enough, if you don't like it, thats fine, but that doesn't make it bad. As for your comments about Destiny and Oblivion etc, hardly reinforces your arguments about FFXIV;ARR, so far you have stated that FFXIV;ARR combat is clunky, it isn't, and while it may not be quite as smooth as that in WoW, it does at least, handle it as well, if not better than games such as Tera, GW2, SW;TOR even, so you hate FFXIV;ARR, thats okay, nobody is forced into liking every game there is, but if your going to find fault with a game, at least use valid reasons, if you use the overly well used, its 'shit because i say so' then your argument will not be the only thing to lack credibility.
I think anyone who would find WoW's combat fluid would describe FFXIV's as clunky or mired. The reason is that you have up to twice the down time between actions. (varies by class) Which would be fine if there was more to do in that down time such as if classes were significantly more complex than WoW's or if there was some sort of group dynamic like in FFXI. So players that are accustomed to WoW can easily have the next action ready in under 1-1.5 seconds like in WoW but are stuck waiting another second standing around doing nothing while the gcd comes off of cooldown.
Of course there are a lot of people who don't like WoW's combat for various reason so a game that feels clunky to WoW players my appeal to a significant audience. FFXIV does have the advantage of having the slow combat niche to themselves as every game in the last 10 years has either copied WoW or aimed for action-ish combat so having combat outside the mainstream may be one of the things boosting FFXIV's numbers.
I think it's impossible to say definitively if the combat is hurting or helping FFXIVs numbers. One of the issues muddying the waters is that no other game is adding non-combat content at the rate FFXIV is. Actually no game is adding content in general at the rate FFXIV is so there is no similar game out there with faster/action combat we can realistically compare it to.
You are making an assumption that the combat system isn't what's kept that many players subscribed for over 16 months. Or that it's why those who didn't stay, left. And that it's why those who are on the fence won't jump back in. I'm sure combat may be a factor, But I'd be willing to bet it's not as big of one as you are making it out.
I'll admit, ARR's combat is no crown jewel in the genre and I'd like to see some improvement in its combat system, Mostly the speed. However, I'll still take it over other systems mentioned in this thread that are "supposedly" better. (but aren't really)
Oh geez. This doesn't become true no matter how many times people try to say it.
The game does a fantastic job with making their combat system work in the given context. What the game loses in whack-a-mole-speed it gains in environmental hazards. It's a simple concept anyone ought to grasp without explanations necessary but some people constantly get stuck in the GCD limbo. The longer the GCD the more pressure from environment can be implemented & the more precision can be asked of the player. Period.
The fact is FFXIV manages to implement content that can constantly rivals WoW at any level be it casual or hardcore. This has been the #1 comment on pretty much every hardcore raider experienced on both games. The relevant question here is if the game had a 2.5sec GCD and nothing to make up for the fact the encounters would end up being easier than in WoW. Yet mysteriously this isn't the case. Either the playerbase is incompetent compared to the "WoW master race" (LOL) or anyone who thinks FFXIV's reduced whack-a-mole speed isn't made up by the encounter design is completely & utterly delusional.
Easy encounters are easy in both games. This is a fact. If you find yourself standing around in FFXIV doesn't mean you wouldn't be doing something piss-easy in WoW as well. And if you compare casual FFXIV content to hardcore WoW content you really need to get help.
Of course this neglects the plethora of off-CD skills for most classes but with comments like the one I quoted you can never know whether the guy has even made it to level 50 before speaking such oblivious things about the game. WoW pre-level cap is not exactly the epitome of incredible combat unless you suffer from ADHD. In fact FFXIV constantly beats WoW in the encounter/dungeon design so that is also debatable. However the real magic happens in the endgame regardless of the game.
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You seem to think that people who enjoy faster paced combat in MMO's have a mental disorder. There's no hyperbole about it. If you don't enjoy the slower-paced combat of FFXIV, then you have ADD. Your words, not mine.
Well that is one convenient argument. It's so good we can use it for every issue ever. God is real, Russia is not in Ukraine, the wealth will trickle down. It's not the validity of the arguments but the amount of arguers that counts. Makes sense from a WoW player - you can have 10 million little sheep go "baa!" at once. Glad to have your stance made clear.
If this was mere opinion a) he wouldn't be arguing it (on what grounds if it was a mere opinion) and b) he wouldn't be sh*tting on opinions that disagree with his. Having no decency of the opposite side to provide arguments for your stance is a jerky thing to do. It's a pretty simple concept.
Obviously, WoW has 10 million "little sheep" because they're all brainwashed. It couldn't possibly be because it's still one of the best themepark MMO's on the market.
It sure as hell isn't because of Blizzard's year+ content draughts at a time, that's for sure. But don't get me wrong, I am extremely certain those 10 million players would have kept going with content draughts of this scale back in ~2010.
Disrespecting the customers time and time again aside, it is one of the best themepark MMOs on the market. A good question is why wouldn't you screw your customers if they're being this loyal to the product? Nothing better for business than brainwashed sheep with a Stockholm's syndrome. Reminds me of that one elephant being chained to a small rope, thinking it can't get free because it was first conditioned to believe so with a massive iron chain.
Lol... Whatever you say. Final Fantasy fans are way more brainwashed than WoW fans, IMO. See your posts defending version 1.0 for evidence.
It's not exactly easy to make new content for the biggest MMO in the world, and I think players sitting around for a year is a testament to how good the game is. But this seems to be your only gripe with WoW, perhaps going outside or playing more casually would alleviate the drought so you arent blazing through content so fast.
Square-Enix seems to have no trouble doing so with a fraction of the revenue gained compared to Blizzard. What you don't get is that I (and nobody else) has to deal with Blizzard's massive disrespect towards the customer when there are better deals out there. I think it is a testament of Blizzard's arrogance that they can't achieve with 10 million subscribers what Square-Enix achieves with <1 million. Just let that sink in for a second. Though I am getting the vibe here that you aren't even aware just how much effort SE puts into their game and are just talking out of ignorance. Otherwise you wouldn't be such an apologist towards Blizzard's greedy practices. There is simply no excuse for Blizzard's disrespect towards the customer. NONE. SE is doing what Blizzard is no longer willing to do. That's the one fact that is undeniable no matter how much some people want to deny it. Why would I touch WoW with a long stick? It's a good game but I don't exactly like being forced to bend over and take it.
I like FFXIV a lot. Classes and professions are top notch, but combat...really sucks. Its worse than WoW's combat, which i think its a bit retarded anymore.
Even as that, i prefer FFXIV than WoW by a mile.
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The tables have flipped and you haven't even noticed. Such a sad sight to see.
I learn from my mistakes. You on the other hand seem to like being screwed over. But I'm not one to judge
I don't play WoW. Cool assumption though.
I'd rather wait and have polished content than crap honestly, and I dont think not releasing content every month can be considered "disrespectful". FFXIV released slaughter and it completely destroyed PvP in its already terrible state. Now they've released the GS which has increased 30min wait times to 1hr, and for PvE as well. Dumping shabby content every five seconds isnt a good thing, it leaves no time for them to fix whatever problems may arise. And really, if Blizz wanted to be greedy they could just do what Square is doing and release half thought-out material but charge for it instead, but quality is much more important to them so they wouldnt do that. And if there truly were any MMOs that were on par with WoW there wouldnt be millions of people playing WoW right now, would there?
blizzard are a classic case of failed waterfall development, either that or they are just greedy bastards. At least with ff you can see that the devs are trying to Produce value for money.
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