Originally posted by Shayyd80who cares who has the most subs? I don't! I play games I like regardless of how many people play it. FFXIV is a good game. I don't care about sub numbers, what's the point? ALOT of people play it. If it was deserted then that would be saying something. You guys need to get off your high horses about crunching numbers when it's all B.S. anyways. We all know WoW has a high retention rate that is gradually diminishing over time. Sure they still have the most subbers but who cares? If i worked for Blizzard sure i'd care cuz that'd be my job on the line... but here i sit, a gamer who's only responsibility is to enjoy games i play or not enjoy them.
If all XIV players were like you nobody would care at all. People like OP are the problem.
Says the guy who posts the same negative rhetoric in every ffxiv thread...
I wouldn't be here at all if OP didn't post this thread in the main general forum.
Originally posted by Shayyd80who cares who has the most subs? I don't! I play games I like regardless of how many people play it. FFXIV is a good game. I don't care about sub numbers, what's the point? ALOT of people play it. If it was deserted then that would be saying something. You guys need to get off your high horses about crunching numbers when it's all B.S. anyways. We all know WoW has a high retention rate that is gradually diminishing over time. Sure they still have the most subbers but who cares? If i worked for Blizzard sure i'd care cuz that'd be my job on the line... but here i sit, a gamer who's only responsibility is to enjoy games i play or not enjoy them.
If all XIV players were like you nobody would care at all. People like OP are the problem.
Says the guy who posts the same negative rhetoric in every ffxiv thread...
I wouldn't be here at all if OP didn't post this thread in the main general forum.
Who assigned you the task of policing the OP?
Depending on who you ask, some might actually view this as an admission of harassment.
Originally posted by scorpex-x Originally posted by FoomerangOriginally posted by scorpex-xOriginally posted by Shayyd80who cares who has the most subs? I don't! I play games I like regardless of how many people play it. FFXIV is a good game. I don't care about sub numbers, what's the point? ALOT of people play it. If it was deserted then that would be saying something. You guys need to get off your high horses about crunching numbers when it's all B.S. anyways. We all know WoW has a high retention rate that is gradually diminishing over time. Sure they still have the most subbers but who cares? If i worked for Blizzard sure i'd care cuz that'd be my job on the line... but here i sit, a gamer who's only responsibility is to enjoy games i play or not enjoy them.
If all XIV players were like you nobody would care at all. People like OP are the problem.Says the guy who posts the same negative rhetoric in every ffxiv thread...I wouldn't be here at all if OP didn't post this thread in the main general forum. Well it's not anymore. But you still are
Originally posted by Shayyd80who cares who has the most subs? I don't! I play games I like regardless of how many people play it. FFXIV is a good game. I don't care about sub numbers, what's the point? ALOT of people play it. If it was deserted then that would be saying something. You guys need to get off your high horses about crunching numbers when it's all B.S. anyways. We all know WoW has a high retention rate that is gradually diminishing over time. Sure they still have the most subbers but who cares? If i worked for Blizzard sure i'd care cuz that'd be my job on the line... but here i sit, a gamer who's only responsibility is to enjoy games i play or not enjoy them.
If all XIV players were like you nobody would care at all. People like OP are the problem.
Says the guy who posts the same negative rhetoric in every ffxiv thread...
I wouldn't be here at all if OP didn't post this thread in the main general forum.
Who assigned you the task of policing the OP?
The thread took my interest from that and I decided to offer the opposite side of the argument, as I said this was a post made in the general section of the forum and not this fan forum. You expect over exagerations and gushing in a fan forum but if you do it on a general people are going to call you on it.
Gonna go back to posting in the general now since this sub forum doesn't really have much interest to me outside of this thread anyway, I said what I wanted to on the subject.
Originally posted by Shayyd80who cares who has the most subs? I don't! I play games I like regardless of how many people play it. FFXIV is a good game. I don't care about sub numbers, what's the point? ALOT of people play it. If it was deserted then that would be saying something. You guys need to get off your high horses about crunching numbers when it's all B.S. anyways. We all know WoW has a high retention rate that is gradually diminishing over time. Sure they still have the most subbers but who cares? If i worked for Blizzard sure i'd care cuz that'd be my job on the line... but here i sit, a gamer who's only responsibility is to enjoy games i play or not enjoy them.
If all XIV players were like you nobody would care at all. People like OP are the problem.
Says the guy who posts the same negative rhetoric in every ffxiv thread...
I wouldn't be here at all if OP didn't post this thread in the main general forum.
Who assigned you the task of policing the OP?
Depending on who you ask, some might actually view this as an admission of harassment.
You know, maybe he should seek the aid of a lawyer. Serious business going on here, major life threatening harassment.
Please be joking, actually I hope you're serious because it will be more funny if you actually believe that XD
Sorry OP, it's a niche title just like about everything else out. If it gives you the warm fuzzy that it is superior to other games than I'm with you and support you all the way! I have had those same feelings countless of times through the past decade.
I bought and played the game, it it is beautiful, I just wish they could have finished it. The FATE system to me was a cop-out and left a bad taste in my mouth. It was like they give you all these cool ways to advance with multiple jobs and don't give enough quests so they developed FATEs.
Anyway, I think it is a good game and demands high praise, but WoW of course has nothing to fear from it. (imo) /shrug
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
I don't understand where this idea that FFXIV has a low population /popularity comes from. Has any one of you making that claim actually tried to log into this game recently? (And by "recently" I mean more recently than the released numbers from last year being thrown around and called "recently".)
Half the servers in the NA farm are closed off to new characters and all the Legacy servers STILL have log in queues every day.
Well you have to keep in mind that the numbers are low to square enix. They never show off about sub humbers, just registered accounts.
That says it all really.
What would that be.....exactly? What are the numbers? What's the population? What does SE consider low? How far off from SE's target population is the game currently?
Registered accounts is not people that are playing the game, I stopped playing over a year ago and I'm still a registered player. Registered accounts are simply people that played...ever, this inculdes v1 players.
If they were proud of their subscriber numbers they would use those instead of registered account numbers, wow gives subscriber numbers not registered accounts because people would call them on it.
This is akin to someone asking me how much money I earn and telling them how much I earn before tax instead of how much I actually take home. So as I say, its not us that say the numer is low. Its Square that is saying the number is low, because they refuse to use it and instead use a misleading number that means nothing.
What point are you trying to prove, exactly? Why does it matter? Clearly the game is growing....so yeah
Well if you call that growing then every single mmo ever released is growing I guess, they stil aren't "growing" a subscriber base. This is the thing that forces an mmo to go f2p, not how many registered accounts they have but how many paying customers they can retain (not sayign xiv will go f2p).
Are they breaking records? Probably not, but it's hilarious to assume that the game is "dying" or "unsuccessful" while huge content updates come frequently and an expansion is on the way. Cause I'm sure SE is just digging into their pockets to make these things, they totally didn't make enough money to justify all of the aforementioned.
In hindsight, look at wildstar. A few new pieces of content, come changes, and that's it months after release.
I seriously think some people are just out of touch with reality.
Edit: I don't even PLAY ffxiv anymore, so it's not like I'm defending my choice in game...just common sense.
Sorry OP, it's a niche title just like about everything else out. If it gives you the warm fuzzy that it is superior to other games than I'm with you and support you all the way! I have had those same feelings countless of times through the past decade.
I bought and played the game, it it is beautiful, I just wish they could have finished it. The FATE system to me was a cop-out and left a bad taste in my mouth. It was like they give you all these cool ways to advance with multiple jobs and don't give enough quests so they developed FATEs.
Anyway, I think it is a good game and demands high praise, but WoW of course has nothing to fear from it. (imo) /shrug
Clearly demonstrating you have no idea what you're talking about. Granted, it's not your fault, as this has changed drastically since launch.
Sorry OP, it's a niche title just like about everything else out. If it gives you the warm fuzzy that it is superior to other games than I'm with you and support you all the way! I have had those same feelings countless of times through the past decade.
I bought and played the game, it it is beautiful, I just wish they could have finished it. The FATE system to me was a cop-out and left a bad taste in my mouth. It was like they give you all these cool ways to advance with multiple jobs and don't give enough quests so they developed FATEs.
Anyway, I think it is a good game and demands high praise, but WoW of course has nothing to fear from it. (imo) /shrug
Clearly demonstrating you have no idea what you're talking about. Granted, it's not your fault, as this has changed drastically since launch.
No, all games the last decade have given me a warm fuzzy now an again.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Not that this probably means much, but my server sold just over 5,000 of the weekly lottery tickets in the Gold Saucer before the drawing last Saturday, and I'm not on one of the most populated servers.
I'm thinking of starting a thread on Reddit next weekend to see if various servers can report in their ticket sales a couple minutes prior to the drawing and put the numbers together to come up with a rough estimate.
Not that this probably means much, but my server sold just over 5,000 of the weekly lottery tickets in the Gold Saucer before the drawing last Saturday, and I'm not on one of the most populated servers.
I'm thinking of starting a thread on Reddit next weekend to see if various servers can report in their ticket sales a couple minutes prior to the drawing and put the numbers together to come up with a rough estimate.
This is actually quite brilliant. A good way to show a rough estimate of active players. And since ffxiv is made to not need alts (though some people still do for whatever reason, not many) you know you're getting a good number.
Originally posted by kairel182 It's a prettier, but shittier version of WoW. It was one of the most boring, misguided games I've ever played. I enjoyed the original game's concepts much more than ARR.
Your the minority.
James T. Kirk: All she's got isn't good enough! What else ya got?
Originally posted by kairel182 I enjoyed the original game's concepts much more than ARR.
Me too, which is what ultimately led me to quit. Granted, I don't have nearly the same feelings that you do about ARR, I was just in love with the original games systems. What we have now is a watered-down lowest common denominator system, unfortunately.
Originally posted by kairel182 I enjoyed the original game's concepts much more than ARR.
Me too, which is what ultimately led me to quit. Granted, I don't have nearly the same feelings that you do about ARR, I was just in love with the original games systems. What we have now is a watered-down lowest common denominator system, unfortunately.
It's what you have to do to try to bring in those wow players. There not the sharpest knives in the drawer you know.
I don't understand where this idea that FFXIV has a low population /popularity comes from. Has any one of you making that claim actually tried to log into this game recently? (And by "recently" I mean more recently than the released numbers from last year being thrown around and called "recently".)
Half the servers in the NA farm are closed off to new characters and all the Legacy servers STILL have log in queues every day.
Well you have to keep in mind that the numbers are low to square enix. They never show off about sub humbers, just registered accounts.
That says it all really.
What would that be.....exactly? What are the numbers? What's the population? What does SE consider low? How far off from SE's target population is the game currently?
Why didnt they put out sub numbers but worthless registered accounts? Registered accounts mean even less to sub game than to free game lol
1. SE is not going to cancel the game any time soon.
2. When I log into the game I will continue to expect to see many players at all levels doing all kinds of different things together.
Is there anything else you need to define a successful MMORPG?
I really don't care if the number is 50K, 500K, or 5000K. The game feels like it's the most populated MMORPG on the market.
Thats why you make small zones if your server tech cant handle large number of players, im saying that for a long time, SWTOR, for instance, huge zones but only 50-ish people/instance of zone, of course you wont see pretty much anyone even if there are 1000000000000 players playing SAME zone at the same time.
Originally posted by Malabooga Originally posted by GeezerGamerThere are 2 assumptions I will make.1. SE is not going to cancel the game any time soon.2. When I log into the game I will continue to expect to see many players at all levels doing all kinds of different things together.Is there anything else you need to define a successful MMORPG? I really don't care if the number is 50K, 500K, or 5000K. The game feels like it's the most populated MMORPG on the market.
Thats why you make small zones if your server tech cant handle large number of players, im saying that for a long time, SWTOR, for instance, huge zones but only 50-ish people/instance of zone, of course you wont see pretty much anyone even if there are 1000000000000 players playing SAME zone at the same time. Pretty sure they had small zones because ps3 only has 512mb of ram. There are hundreds of people in gold saucer right now.
1. SE is not going to cancel the game any time soon.
2. When I log into the game I will continue to expect to see many players at all levels doing all kinds of different things together.
Is there anything else you need to define a successful MMORPG?
I really don't care if the number is 50K, 500K, or 5000K. The game feels like it's the most populated MMORPG on the market.
Thats why you make small zones if your server tech cant handle large number of players, im saying that for a long time, SWTOR, for instance, huge zones but only 50-ish people/instance of zone, of course you wont see pretty much anyone even if there are 1000000000000 players playing SAME zone at the same time.
Whatever. You can't even make a character in over half of the servers unless it is like 2am in the morning due to the number of players. This is the only MMO that has released recently that didn't have server merges. It isn't obfuscated behind things like "mega" servers for GW2.
James T. Kirk: All she's got isn't good enough! What else ya got?
I don't understand where this idea that FFXIV has a low population /popularity comes from. Has any one of you making that claim actually tried to log into this game recently? (And by "recently" I mean more recently than the released numbers from last year being thrown around and called "recently".)
Half the servers in the NA farm are closed off to new characters and all the Legacy servers STILL have log in queues every day.
Well you have to keep in mind that the numbers are low to square enix. They never show off about sub humbers, just registered accounts.
That says it all really.
What would that be.....exactly? What are the numbers? What's the population? What does SE consider low? How far off from SE's target population is the game currently?
Why didnt they put out sub numbers but worthless registered accounts? Registered accounts mean even less to sub game than to free game lol
None of that matters, what matters is how much money they're making. We tend to measure financial success of games based on sub numbers, which is a safe bet. When a company doesn't divulge that information though, the only thing you have to go on is straight fiscal information and context clues.
1. SE is not going to cancel the game any time soon.
2. When I log into the game I will continue to expect to see many players at all levels doing all kinds of different things together.
Is there anything else you need to define a successful MMORPG?
I really don't care if the number is 50K, 500K, or 5000K. The game feels like it's the most populated MMORPG on the market.
Thats why you make small zones if your server tech cant handle large number of players, im saying that for a long time, SWTOR, for instance, huge zones but only 50-ish people/instance of zone, of course you wont see pretty much anyone even if there are 1000000000000 players playing SAME zone at the same time.
Whatever. You can't even make a character in over half of the servers unless it is like 2am in the morning due to the number of players. This is the only MMO that has released recently that didn't have server merges. It isn't obfuscated behind things like "mega" servers for GW2.
My kids were like, "Dad, join FFXIV again with us"! So I paid my subscription and attempted to join their server (Gilgimesh) I think it was. Anyway, I couldn't join! I was like frick, I will try again later. They then said "Dad, you will have to try at about 2am". Fine, still can't create a toon! I tried for about 3 days off and on and finally just gave up. They got my $14.99 and I tried to get a refund but never got an answer. I'm not sure why they can't be like other games and have a seperate character server. /shrug
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
1. SE is not going to cancel the game any time soon.
2. When I log into the game I will continue to expect to see many players at all levels doing all kinds of different things together.
Is there anything else you need to define a successful MMORPG?
I really don't care if the number is 50K, 500K, or 5000K. The game feels like it's the most populated MMORPG on the market.
Thats why you make small zones if your server tech cant handle large number of players, im saying that for a long time, SWTOR, for instance, huge zones but only 50-ish people/instance of zone, of course you wont see pretty much anyone even if there are 1000000000000 players playing SAME zone at the same time.
And?
See, something tells me that if their servers are all running at or near capacity, And we can see that they are, not just by changing server metrics to say "Full Server" even if it's not. And that even if that "Full" number is lower than other MMORPGs, it's still pretty safe to assume they have at least hit their projected target for what they wanted for populations.
Anything else..........who cares? It changes nothing.
1. SE is not going to cancel the game any time soon.
2. When I log into the game I will continue to expect to see many players at all levels doing all kinds of different things together.
Is there anything else you need to define a successful MMORPG?
I really don't care if the number is 50K, 500K, or 5000K. The game feels like it's the most populated MMORPG on the market.
Thats why you make small zones if your server tech cant handle large number of players, im saying that for a long time, SWTOR, for instance, huge zones but only 50-ish people/instance of zone, of course you wont see pretty much anyone even if there are 1000000000000 players playing SAME zone at the same time.
Whatever. You can't even make a character in over half of the servers unless it is like 2am in the morning due to the number of players. This is the only MMO that has released recently that didn't have server merges. It isn't obfuscated behind things like "mega" servers for GW2.
My kids were like, "Dad, join FFXIV again with us"! So I paid my subscription and attempted to join their server (Gilgimesh) I think it was. Anyway, I couldn't join! I was like frick, I will try again later. They then said "Dad, you will have to try at about 2am". Fine, still can't create a toon! I tried for about 3 days off and on and finally just gave up. They got my $14.99 and I tried to get a refund but never got an answer. I'm not sure why they can't be like other games and have a seperate character server. /shrug
It's not 2AM, Try 7AM.......well, it works for me EST
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I wouldn't be here at all if OP didn't post this thread in the main general forum.
Who assigned you the task of policing the OP?
Depending on who you ask, some might actually view this as an admission of harassment.
Says the guy who posts the same negative rhetoric in every ffxiv thread...
I wouldn't be here at all if OP didn't post this thread in the main general forum.
Well it's not anymore. But you still are
The thread took my interest from that and I decided to offer the opposite side of the argument, as I said this was a post made in the general section of the forum and not this fan forum. You expect over exagerations and gushing in a fan forum but if you do it on a general people are going to call you on it.
Gonna go back to posting in the general now since this sub forum doesn't really have much interest to me outside of this thread anyway, I said what I wanted to on the subject.
You know, maybe he should seek the aid of a lawyer. Serious business going on here, major life threatening harassment.
Please be joking, actually I hope you're serious because it will be more funny if you actually believe that XD
Sorry OP, it's a niche title just like about everything else out. If it gives you the warm fuzzy that it is superior to other games than I'm with you and support you all the way! I have had those same feelings countless of times through the past decade.
I bought and played the game, it it is beautiful, I just wish they could have finished it. The FATE system to me was a cop-out and left a bad taste in my mouth. It was like they give you all these cool ways to advance with multiple jobs and don't give enough quests so they developed FATEs.
Anyway, I think it is a good game and demands high praise, but WoW of course has nothing to fear from it. (imo) /shrug
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Are they breaking records? Probably not, but it's hilarious to assume that the game is "dying" or "unsuccessful" while huge content updates come frequently and an expansion is on the way. Cause I'm sure SE is just digging into their pockets to make these things, they totally didn't make enough money to justify all of the aforementioned.
In hindsight, look at wildstar. A few new pieces of content, come changes, and that's it months after release.
I seriously think some people are just out of touch with reality.
Edit: I don't even PLAY ffxiv anymore, so it's not like I'm defending my choice in game...just common sense.
Originally posted by Amjoco
Clearly demonstrating you have no idea what you're talking about. Granted, it's not your fault, as this has changed drastically since launch.
Legal? LOL, no, nothing that far
I was talking about the being moderated or getting a simple warning for singling out the OP specifically.
Might be considered a violation of the ROC.
No, all games the last decade have given me a warm fuzzy now an again.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Not that this probably means much, but my server sold just over 5,000 of the weekly lottery tickets in the Gold Saucer before the drawing last Saturday, and I'm not on one of the most populated servers.
I'm thinking of starting a thread on Reddit next weekend to see if various servers can report in their ticket sales a couple minutes prior to the drawing and put the numbers together to come up with a rough estimate.
This is actually quite brilliant. A good way to show a rough estimate of active players. And since ffxiv is made to not need alts (though some people still do for whatever reason, not many) you know you're getting a good number.
well this figth again
FFXIV its solid PVE HARDCORE GAME
and ITS , WOW its SAME
Things between both game
Combat complex / Fun Factor
Combat itself
Take a pick both are great in some way
DONT BE SHAME if you cant do HEROIC In WoW & FFXIV(Insertnamehere)
If you are bad you cant say game its bad or sux include game are focus one area you dont "play"
Your the minority.
James T. Kirk: All she's got isn't good enough! What else ya got?
Me too, which is what ultimately led me to quit. Granted, I don't have nearly the same feelings that you do about ARR, I was just in love with the original games systems. What we have now is a watered-down lowest common denominator system, unfortunately.
It's what you have to do to try to bring in those wow players. There not the sharpest knives in the drawer you know.
Why didnt they put out sub numbers but worthless registered accounts? Registered accounts mean even less to sub game than to free game lol
They didnt shoot for 500k....thats what they had to settle with after game failed in first iteration.
Thats why you make small zones if your server tech cant handle large number of players, im saying that for a long time, SWTOR, for instance, huge zones but only 50-ish people/instance of zone, of course you wont see pretty much anyone even if there are 1000000000000 players playing SAME zone at the same time.
Pretty sure they had small zones because ps3 only has 512mb of ram. There are hundreds of people in gold saucer right now.
Whatever. You can't even make a character in over half of the servers unless it is like 2am in the morning due to the number of players. This is the only MMO that has released recently that didn't have server merges. It isn't obfuscated behind things like "mega" servers for GW2.
James T. Kirk: All she's got isn't good enough! What else ya got?
None of that matters, what matters is how much money they're making. We tend to measure financial success of games based on sub numbers, which is a safe bet. When a company doesn't divulge that information though, the only thing you have to go on is straight fiscal information and context clues.
My kids were like, "Dad, join FFXIV again with us"! So I paid my subscription and attempted to join their server (Gilgimesh) I think it was. Anyway, I couldn't join! I was like frick, I will try again later. They then said "Dad, you will have to try at about 2am". Fine, still can't create a toon! I tried for about 3 days off and on and finally just gave up. They got my $14.99 and I tried to get a refund but never got an answer. I'm not sure why they can't be like other games and have a seperate character server. /shrug
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
And?
See, something tells me that if their servers are all running at or near capacity, And we can see that they are, not just by changing server metrics to say "Full Server" even if it's not. And that even if that "Full" number is lower than other MMORPGs, it's still pretty safe to assume they have at least hit their projected target for what they wanted for populations.
Anything else..........who cares? It changes nothing.
It's not 2AM, Try 7AM.......well, it works for me EST