Man, that diatribe by CR was so filled with pompous self importance. And spin.
Building teams all over the world, connected by the internet: Yet your number one lackey and Wingman leaves the company because you apparently would require him to be in LA.
You (and your echelon of lockstep fans) trumpeted high profile hiring of industry vets as proof that you all were The Real Thing. Then when they leave after a short time, it's not to be mentioned, no big thing. A bit disingenuous. Talking to a friend who worked on the WC series, his take was that these folks probably signed on after some enthused recruiting from Roberts, but once on the job, seeing the disorganization, they bailed as soon as possible. Because in his view, every Roberts' production was disorganized.
Lots of little bits of contradiction, designed to smooth the feathers of those wavering in their allegiance to his Grand Dream.
On the other hand, I don't think that Roberts truely lies: He believes everything he says when he says it, no matter its relationship to reality.
Wow... time to fudge a story? Mr. Smart or one of his fellow fans...please shut up.
WOULD THE REAL DEREK SMART PLEASE STAND UP... PLEASE STAND UP... PLEASE STAND UP
Conclusion Claim Jumping for $100, Alec....
You can check the history, I am no Johnny-come-lately to this.
My main issue is with the 'Roberts is a genius!!!' crowd. I've talked to a number of ex-Origin employees, and they have nothing good to say about him. You don't have to accept that (this is the internet after all), but the unanimity of opinion about Roberts by folks who've worked with him is striking. He's a vainglorious, self-aggrandizing egomaniac, from everything I've been able to gather. Certainly the puffery in this letter fits.
His last great attempt to free himself from the clutches of those evil publishers led to Digital Anvil. Where he eventually took money from Microsoft, and still couldn't produce a single game in house. He mismanaged that company into the ground. Maybe he's matured since then. Maybe. Don't really see it, personally. Me, I'll wait til the game comes before being convinced. 'Cause it may end up as Digital Anvil 2.
If you folks really believe, you'd better go buy more ships though, 'cause with Roberts profligate ways, he's going to need the money.
Perhaps Wirly or is it Warley and have no fun have not left CR private quarters after a night of endless romance. No doubt they will be along soon to hold you to account about your post.
After all, the good good loving that is dished out to these squire comes at a price.
Perhaps Wirly or is it Warley and have no fun have not left CR private quarters after a night of endless romance. No doubt they will be along soon to hold you to account about your post.
After all, the good good loving that is dished out to these squire comes at a price.
Other then nonsensical personal attacks on a poster , do you have anything of substance to add to the discussion?
Perhaps Wirly or is it Warley and have no fun have not left CR private quarters after a night of endless romance. No doubt they will be along soon to hold you to account about your post.
After all, the good good loving that is dished out to these squire comes at a price.
Other then nonsensical personal attacks on a poster , do you have anything of substance to add to the discussion?
I've added plenty to this whole topic over the pass week, you can by pass any of my post though.
CR lied about the games progress before the KS campaign to influence funding.
CR lied about 20 million was needed to finance the game to completion and launch.
These are bold faced lies.
Looks at your account creation date, ignored.
This is the most ridiculous response I have seen in this whole Dereck Smart debate.
Sounds pretty logically to me, sorry I don't have the effort to sift thru postings from new accounts created for the purpose to argue opinions on SC.
Just because someone is new to mmorpg.com doesn't mean their posts and points of view is worthless compared to longtime users. If you cant make a logical counter point to what someone is saying , its better to not say anything then just dismissing someone base on post counts and join dates. It makes you look silly and childish.
Seems you have a problem with anyone who doesn't share your point of view. Now instead of playing the white knight charging in to rescue people why don't you worry about your own posts.
Check his first post and the posts there after, you would have to be an idiot (yes an idiot) to not see it.
CR lied about the games progress before the KS campaign to influence funding.
CR lied about 20 million was needed to finance the game to completion and launch.
These are bold faced lies.
Looks at your account creation date, ignored.
This is the most ridiculous response I have seen in this whole Dereck Smart debate.
Sounds pretty logically to me, sorry I don't have the effort to sift thru postings from new accounts created for the purpose to argue opinions on SC.
Just because someone is new to mmorpg.com doesn't mean their posts and points of view is worthless compared to longtime users. If you cant make a logical counter point to what someone is saying , its better to not say anything then just dismissing someone base on post counts and join dates. It makes you look silly and childish.
Seems you have a problem with anyone who doesn't share your point of view. Now instead of playing the white knight charging in to rescue people why don't you worry about your own posts.
Check his first post and the posts there after, you would have to be an idiot (yes an idiot) to not see it.
His prior posts have nothing to do with the point I am making, which you are obviously failing to comprehend, since you made the same asinine post he did about a poster's join date. Your accusing of me of white knighting, that is very funny considering this post you just made. Keep hurling your insults since you have nothing else it seems to add to the topic , it only makes you look like a thirteen year old.
CR lied about the games progress before the KS campaign to influence funding.
CR lied about 20 million was needed to finance the game to completion and launch.
These are bold faced lies.
Looks at your account creation date, ignored.
This is the most ridiculous response I have seen in this whole Dereck Smart debate.
Sounds pretty logically to me, sorry I don't have the effort to sift thru postings from new accounts created for the purpose to argue opinions on SC.
Just because someone is new to mmorpg.com doesn't mean their posts and points of view is worthless compared to longtime users. If you cant make a logical counter point to what someone is saying , its better to not say anything then just dismissing someone base on post counts and join dates. It makes you look silly and childish.
Seems you have a problem with anyone who doesn't share your point of view. Now instead of playing the white knight charging in to rescue people why don't you worry about your own posts.
Check his first post and the posts there after, you would have to be an idiot (yes an idiot) to not see it.
His prior posts have nothing to do with the point I am making, which you are obviously failing to comprehend, since you made the same asinine post he did about a poster's join date. Your accusing of me of white knighting, that is very funny considering this post you just made. Keep hurling your insults since you have nothing else it seems to add to the topic , it only makes you look like a thirteen year old.
Lol screw the arguments, lets attack the poster because he has too few posts on the forum. Agreed, plain ... stupid
CR lied about the games progress before the KS campaign to influence funding.
CR lied about 20 million was needed to finance the game to completion and launch.
These are bold faced lies.
Looks at your account creation date, ignored.
This is the most ridiculous response I have seen in this whole Dereck Smart debate.
Sounds pretty logically to me, sorry I don't have the effort to sift thru postings from new accounts created for the purpose to argue opinions on SC.
Just because someone is new to mmorpg.com doesn't mean their posts and points of view is worthless compared to longtime users. If you cant make a logical counter point to what someone is saying , its better to not say anything then just dismissing someone base on post counts and join dates. It makes you look silly and childish.
Seems you have a problem with anyone who doesn't share your point of view. Now instead of playing the white knight charging in to rescue people why don't you worry about your own posts.
Check his first post and the posts there after, you would have to be an idiot (yes an idiot) to not see it.
His prior posts have nothing to do with the point I am making, which you are obviously failing to comprehend, since you made the same asinine post he did about a poster's join date. Your accusing of me of white knighting, that is very funny considering this post you just made. Keep hurling your insults since you have nothing else it seems to add to the topic , it only makes you look like a thirteen year old.
Didn't you know? Someone with a non-existent post history and a name like user571 has more credibility than people with years of posting history.
CR lied about the games progress before the KS campaign to influence funding.
CR lied about 20 million was needed to finance the game to completion and launch.
These are bold faced lies.
Looks at your account creation date, ignored.
This is the most ridiculous response I have seen in this whole Dereck Smart debate.
Sounds pretty logically to me, sorry I don't have the effort to sift thru postings from new accounts created for the purpose to argue opinions on SC.
Just because someone is new to mmorpg.com doesn't mean their posts and points of view is worthless compared to longtime users. If you cant make a logical counter point to what someone is saying , its better to not say anything then just dismissing someone base on post counts and join dates. It makes you look silly and childish.
Seems you have a problem with anyone who doesn't share your point of view. Now instead of playing the white knight charging in to rescue people why don't you worry about your own posts.
Check his first post and the posts there after, you would have to be an idiot (yes an idiot) to not see it.
His prior posts have nothing to do with the point I am making, which you are obviously failing to comprehend, since you made the same asinine post he did about a poster's join date. Your accusing of me of white knighting, that is very funny considering this post you just made. Keep hurling your insults since you have nothing else it seems to add to the topic , it only makes you look like a thirteen year old.
Didn't you know? Someone with a non-existent post history and a name like user571 has more credibility than people with years of posting history.
Because to state a valid argument you first need to have million posts before, right? The logic is strong in this one, lol.
It is like a leveling in games. The higher your level is and your logic stat automatically increases.
Wow...I was sceptical about SC these couple of weeks ( I wasnt really foíllowing it tho) but the amount of answers (which werent vague at all - I was mostly reading programming and technical section) and some gameplay videos made me change my mind - this game seems to know what its doing, even though the amount of work must be extremely overhelming
I think I actually spent way more time reading and theorycrafting about MMOs than playing them
Game developers are just human beings who happen to make games for a living. If you want to hold us up to higher standards of conduct, then go ahead ...but don't be surprised if we don't uphold them.
CIG is well aware of the low crowdfunding at the moment. They knew that the Starliner sale wouldn´t bring in much. But the sales even surpased their expectations. Reason for concept sale: Spread some Starliners in the Universe so that at the start their isn´t empty space (like in your games i.e. LOD)
Everything is fine. Their hasn´t been much content due to well known reasons. So not many new backers or ambitions for older backers to spend more money now. With new content (Large World Map, SM, Social Module, etc.) their will be more funding.
Yeah you will rip everything apart coming from CIG or people trying to find reason. And of course it will be never finished because you say it can´t be done... and you´re always right... right?
And please Mr. Smart... no more lenghty and meaningless posts. Also not with your alt accounts. Your personal vendetta is funny, amusing but sadly psychologically very concerning.
And trying to use GG for your plans is also sad (DS: Hey they need a leader. It won´t work without a leader! *points at himself*)
What a badly investigated, biased written "article"
Your trying so hard Mr. Smart... but instead of putting so much time, effort and ego in villainizing CR, CIG, Crowdfunding, GG, etc., you should put that hardcore internet warlord super derek "the savior"smart power to good use and create some good games.
And please Mr. Smart... no more lenghty and meaningless posts. Also not with your alt accounts. Your personal vendetta is funny, amusing but sadly psychologically very concerning.
First, only cowards see the need to use alt accounts. I'm no coward. Just because other people post dissenting opinions, doesn't make them cowards. That's just the cop out for acknowledging that there are others who have dissenting opinions from yours. It's something that you to have live with, and deal with it.
And since you have a new account, coupled with the play on words used in your profile name, indicates that you're only here (like that Warley guy, who we think is you btw) to engage in ad hominem attacks against me, and others who disagree with your incessant bullshit. And you talk about psychological problems? Pot, meet kettle.
Careful getting into the mud with posters on a gaming website, what you say will be use against you. A professional at your level should know this already.
And please Mr. Smart... no more lenghty and meaningless posts. Also not with your alt accounts. Your personal vendetta is funny, amusing but sadly psychologically very concerning.
First, only cowards see the need to use alt accounts. I'm no coward. Just because other people post dissenting opinions, doesn't make them cowards. That's just the cop out for acknowledging that there are others who have dissenting opinions from yours. It's something that you to have live with, and deal with it.
And since you have a new account, coupled with the play on words used in your profile name, indicates that you're only here (like that Warley guy, who we think is you btw) to engage in ad hominem attacks against me, and others who disagree with your incessant bullshit. And you talk about psychological problems? Pot, meet kettle.
Why did you evade my previous questions concerning your misleading/deceptive answers on the MMORPG.com podcast? For example, you didn't mention that a new studio opened that was specifically made up of experienced Crytek developers that's meant to expand the capabilities of the engine. Also, when you mentioned the visual art/graphic engine programmers you were basically saying that's what they hired instead of networking programming. However, a quick glance over LinkedIn (and the names) shows that their team consists of a considerable amount of programmers (experienced in network & server programming) that worked at major studios (many of which were studios that worked on MMO's ranging from Guild Wars 2 to Everquest 2). Some of these programmers have been in the industry for two decades, and even worked on the network/server side on consoles/handhelds. Watch as you vanish again.
Why leave out those details when you say visual art/graphic engine only programmers?
Furthermore, just because you failed at trying to do what they're doing doesn't mean they're incapable. It means you were incapable. Don't try to project your limits onto others since you think you're the best; your history shows that you don't even know how to make a good indie game; let alone a AAA product.
First, her name is Sandi Gardiner. She was promoted to VP of Marketing (has nothing to do with technical/development aspects). She's recognized as a co-founder and even mentioned in the Guinness Book of World Records. As a marketer, I think she got her job done with helping promote the biggest crowdfunding project (game at least) ever. So, please, provide your sources that she didn't deserve her position.
Oh, that's right. You don't have any.
What about calling out Erin Roberts for being promoted to Executive Producer? Implying (in a deceptive way, IMHO) that he was unqualified? First, he has two decades of being everything from a designer to producer on AAA titles. Second, I think you're one of the last people that can evaluate who's Executive Producer material and who isn't, based upon your history of panned game after panned game. How many AAA titles have you seen from start to finish? The only game that you have that isn't peaking at 4 players on concurrently is Alganon; and you weren't even involved in its development from start to release.
So, why should we consider your 'assertions', 'opinions', and 'speculations' based upon your own history when Erin Roberts & Chris Roberts clearly have more talent and grasp on game development than you?
Chris Roberst and family continue with making idiots their fanboyz ! ... really impressive work !
Another internetz warlord...
In my humble opinion people who believe, follow and support Mr. Derek Smart are more idiotic.
Never heard of a fanbase? You are a fan yourself (EVE, TSW). Yes Star Citizen seems to have a huge fanbase. Anything wrong with it?
Is it only grudge? Partly for sure.
Thing is. I'm not a fan of Star Citizen. I don't care for those types of games; I like medieval/fantasy style games; or something like ARK: SE (some of the survival games). I could never get into space combat for whatever reason.
It's just that when I seen Derek Smart calling out another developer I knew right away it was a bunch of nonsense. My suspicions were correct. So, since I have experience in the game industry I felt I should provide my perspective. Plus, I've had personal experience dealing with Derek Smart's unreasonable attitude before.
This is classic Derek Smart: half-truths; misleading; threats of suing or calling the FTC; etc. This is his modus operandi. Anyone can research this themselves. 99% of what he is saying is either misleading or pure and utter nonsense; the other 1% is just the nature of what happens when you pay for a product before it's done (concern is natural here).
No way they could give refunds or should. They sold you an idea you gave money too develop. If they are developing then your cash was already spent. This is not some product you can return.
And please Mr. Smart... no more lenghty and meaningless posts. Also not with your alt accounts. Your personal vendetta is funny, amusing but sadly psychologically very concerning.
First, only cowards see the need to use alt accounts. I'm no coward. Just because other people post dissenting opinions, doesn't make them cowards. That's just the cop out for acknowledging that there are others who have dissenting opinions from yours. It's something that you to have live with, and deal with it.
And since you have a new account, coupled with the play on words used in your profile name, indicates that you're only here (like that Warley guy, who we think is you btw) to engage in ad hominem attacks against me, and others who disagree with your incessant bullshit. And you talk about psychological problems? Pot, meet kettle.
Careful getting into the mud with posters on a gaming website, what you say will be use against you. A professional at your level should know this already.
yes. yes indeed. which is why I tend not to engage in these pointless discussions. Instead, I just respond to whatever tickles my fancy, and which is worthy of the time spent.
Game developers are just human beings who happen to make games for a living. If you want to hold us up to higher standards of conduct, then go ahead ...but don't be surprised if we don't uphold them.
Originally posted by Horusra No way they could give refunds or should. They sold you an idea you gave money too develop. If they are developing then your cash was already spent. This is not some product you can return.
Derek Smart wants people to believe they're 'investors' when they're not.
And please Mr. Smart... no more lenghty and meaningless posts. Also not with your alt accounts. Your personal vendetta is funny, amusing but sadly psychologically very concerning.
First, only cowards see the need to use alt accounts. I'm no coward. Just because other people post dissenting opinions, doesn't make them cowards. That's just the cop out for acknowledging that there are others who have dissenting opinions from yours. It's something that you to have live with, and deal with it.
And since you have a new account, coupled with the play on words used in your profile name, indicates that you're only here (like that Warley guy, who we think is you btw) to engage in ad hominem attacks against me, and others who disagree with your incessant bullshit. And you talk about psychological problems? Pot, meet kettle.
Careful getting into the mud with posters on a gaming website, what you say will be use against you. A professional at your level should know this already.
yes. yes indeed. which is why I tend not to engage in these pointless discussions. Instead, I just respond to whatever tickles my fancy, and which is worthy of the time spent.
Why do you keep dodging my legitimate questions? Oh, I get it. When someone doesn't agree with you or calls your position out as being nonsense (which it is) then they're auto-fanboys.
I mean, you still haven't even gotten Sandi Gardiner's name right. How can we take you seriously on anything else?
yes. yes indeed. which is why I tend not to engage in these pointless discussions. Instead, I just respond to whatever tickles my fancy, and which is worthy of the time spent.
You only answer to what fits your plan best. Switching between alt accounts and several forums takes up a lot of time eh?
Originally posted by Elsabolts OK then why not give refunds to anyone who wants there money back, seems the right thing to do ?
It is a kickstarter, you're not buying a 'money back guaranteed' product, you are funding a person with his business.
On the other side of the coin promises and deadlines were made and clearly established . The game he claims to be making now is NOT the game we agreed to kickstart. He has clearly violated the terms and conditions of kickstart and as such needs to refund ALL money contributed for the original kickstart project he is no longer making.
The only way to get refunded would be if the developers dont deliver a game and as long as they keep saying the game comes out next year, next year, next year no refund would be issued.
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Perhaps Wirly or is it Warley and have no fun have not left CR private quarters after a night of endless romance. No doubt they will be along soon to hold you to account about your post.
After all, the good good loving that is dished out to these squire comes at a price.
Other then nonsensical personal attacks on a poster , do you have anything of substance to add to the discussion?
I've added plenty to this whole topic over the pass week, you can by pass any of my post though.
I won't be offended if you do.
Seems you have a problem with anyone who doesn't share your point of view. Now instead of playing the white knight charging in to rescue people why don't you worry about your own posts.
Check his first post and the posts there after, you would have to be an idiot (yes an idiot) to not see it.
His prior posts have nothing to do with the point I am making, which you are obviously failing to comprehend, since you made the same asinine post he did about a poster's join date. Your accusing of me of white knighting, that is very funny considering this post you just made. Keep hurling your insults since you have nothing else it seems to add to the topic , it only makes you look like a thirteen year old.
Lol screw the arguments, lets attack the poster because he has too few posts on the forum. Agreed, plain ... stupid
Didn't you know? Someone with a non-existent post history and a name like user571 has more credibility than people with years of posting history.
Because to state a valid argument you first need to have million posts before, right? The logic is strong in this one, lol.
It is like a leveling in games. The higher your level is and your logic stat automatically increases.
I think I actually spent way more time reading and theorycrafting about MMOs than playing them
Why Star Citizen Is Destined To Fail Read: tl.gd/n_1sn49nk
Game developers are just human beings who happen to make games for a living.
If you want to hold us up to higher standards of conduct, then go ahead
...but don't be surprised if we don't uphold them.
CIG is well aware of the low crowdfunding at the moment. They knew that the Starliner sale wouldn´t bring in much. But the sales even surpased their expectations. Reason for concept sale: Spread some Starliners in the Universe so that at the start their isn´t empty space (like in your games i.e. LOD)
Everything is fine. Their hasn´t been much content due to well known reasons. So not many new backers or ambitions for older backers to spend more money now. With new content (Large World Map, SM, Social Module, etc.) their will be more funding.
Yeah you will rip everything apart coming from CIG or people trying to find reason. And of course it will be never finished because you say it can´t be done... and you´re always right... right?
And please Mr. Smart... no more lenghty and meaningless posts. Also not with your alt accounts. Your personal vendetta is funny, amusing but sadly psychologically very concerning.
And trying to use GG for your plans is also sad (DS: Hey they need a leader. It won´t work without a leader! *points at himself*)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snakes_in_Suits
What a badly investigated, biased written "article"
Your trying so hard Mr. Smart... but instead of putting so much time, effort and ego in villainizing CR, CIG, Crowdfunding, GG, etc., you should put that hardcore internet warlord super derek "the savior"smart power to good use and create some good games.
Careful getting into the mud with posters on a gaming website, what you say will be use against you. A professional at your level should know this already.
Why did you evade my previous questions concerning your misleading/deceptive answers on the MMORPG.com podcast? For example, you didn't mention that a new studio opened that was specifically made up of experienced Crytek developers that's meant to expand the capabilities of the engine. Also, when you mentioned the visual art/graphic engine programmers you were basically saying that's what they hired instead of networking programming. However, a quick glance over LinkedIn (and the names) shows that their team consists of a considerable amount of programmers (experienced in network & server programming) that worked at major studios (many of which were studios that worked on MMO's ranging from Guild Wars 2 to Everquest 2). Some of these programmers have been in the industry for two decades, and even worked on the network/server side on consoles/handhelds. Watch as you vanish again.
Why leave out those details when you say visual art/graphic engine only programmers?
Furthermore, just because you failed at trying to do what they're doing doesn't mean they're incapable. It means you were incapable. Don't try to project your limits onto others since you think you're the best; your history shows that you don't even know how to make a good indie game; let alone a AAA product.
First, her name is Sandi Gardiner. She was promoted to VP of Marketing (has nothing to do with technical/development aspects). She's recognized as a co-founder and even mentioned in the Guinness Book of World Records. As a marketer, I think she got her job done with helping promote the biggest crowdfunding project (game at least) ever. So, please, provide your sources that she didn't deserve her position.
Oh, that's right. You don't have any.
What about calling out Erin Roberts for being promoted to Executive Producer? Implying (in a deceptive way, IMHO) that he was unqualified? First, he has two decades of being everything from a designer to producer on AAA titles. Second, I think you're one of the last people that can evaluate who's Executive Producer material and who isn't, based upon your history of panned game after panned game. How many AAA titles have you seen from start to finish? The only game that you have that isn't peaking at 4 players on concurrently is Alganon; and you weren't even involved in its development from start to release.
So, why should we consider your 'assertions', 'opinions', and 'speculations' based upon your own history when Erin Roberts & Chris Roberts clearly have more talent and grasp on game development than you?
If I hadn't been banned so many times, my start date & post count would be a whole lot more credible than it appears.
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Thing is. I'm not a fan of Star Citizen. I don't care for those types of games; I like medieval/fantasy style games; or something like ARK: SE (some of the survival games). I could never get into space combat for whatever reason.
It's just that when I seen Derek Smart calling out another developer I knew right away it was a bunch of nonsense. My suspicions were correct. So, since I have experience in the game industry I felt I should provide my perspective. Plus, I've had personal experience dealing with Derek Smart's unreasonable attitude before.
This is classic Derek Smart: half-truths; misleading; threats of suing or calling the FTC; etc. This is his modus operandi. Anyone can research this themselves. 99% of what he is saying is either misleading or pure and utter nonsense; the other 1% is just the nature of what happens when you pay for a product before it's done (concern is natural here).
yes. yes indeed. which is why I tend not to engage in these pointless discussions. Instead, I just respond to whatever tickles my fancy, and which is worthy of the time spent.
Game developers are just human beings who happen to make games for a living.
If you want to hold us up to higher standards of conduct, then go ahead
...but don't be surprised if we don't uphold them.
Derek Smart wants people to believe they're 'investors' when they're not.
Why do you keep dodging my legitimate questions? Oh, I get it. When someone doesn't agree with you or calls your position out as being nonsense (which it is) then they're auto-fanboys.
I mean, you still haven't even gotten Sandi Gardiner's name right. How can we take you seriously on anything else?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r30_HlEnCw
Have fun
You only answer to what fits your plan best. Switching between alt accounts and several forums takes up a lot of time eh?
Blessed be the posts worthy of your attention.
On the other side of the coin promises and deadlines were made and clearly established . The game he claims to be making now is NOT the game we agreed to kickstart. He has clearly violated the terms and conditions of kickstart and as such needs to refund ALL money contributed for the original kickstart project he is no longer making.
want 7 free days of playing? Try this
http://www.swtor.com/r/ZptVnY