I came into this thread after being away from these forums for a few months and was not disappointed by some post. I will never understand why people feel the need to down play the success of games they don't like. Don't you get tired of it? Does the success of this game really upset you that much? Some of the people in the Guild Wars 2 section of MMORPG.com have been repeating the same tired crap since 20 freaking 12. 3 years of pretty much saying the same thing over and over....at every update or quarterly report. Just move on..
It is one thing to say hey the game got an expac. For some reason some fans around here say things like 'greatest expac launch in history' or '#1/2 mmorpg in the west.' Generally that stirs crap up, as everyone has their own opinion on what takes those crowns, and a lot of them will come in with their evidence to prove it.
Are you saying these haters came in presents with evidence? Are we serious now?
Not interested in getting harassed by rabid fans that don't want to acknowledge other games existing. If you are genuinely curious if gw2 is the most successful mmorpg since wow, you can check my history for all my previous links from the last time I made the mistake of aggroing the oddly fanatical gw2 base here.
Edit: too late, one of the crazy harassers from last time is already here, ready to fling insults and pretend numbers don't exist.
I came into this thread after being away from these forums for a few months and was not disappointed by some post. I will never understand why people feel the need to down play the success of games they don't like. Don't you get tired of it? Does the success of this game really upset you that much? Some of the people in the Guild Wars 2 section of MMORPG.com have been repeating the same tired crap since 20 freaking 12. 3 years of pretty much saying the same thing over and over....at every update or quarterly report. Just move on..
It is one thing to say hey the game got an expac. For some reason some fans around here say things like 'greatest expac launch in history' or '#1/2 mmorpg in the west.' Generally that stirs crap up, as everyone has their own opinion on what takes those crowns, and a lot of them will come in with their evidence to prove it.
Are you saying these haters came in presents with evidence? Are we serious now?
Not interested in getting harassed by rabid fans that don't want to acknowledge other games existing. If you are genuinely curious if gw2 is the most successful mmorpg since wow, you can check my history for all my previous links from the last time I made the mistake of aggroing the oddly fanatical gw2 base here.
That has nothing to do with how successful the game is, you are telling people to bring evidence yet you have ZERO evidence your self. Are you joking?
I came into this thread after being away from these forums for a few months and was not disappointed by some post. I will never understand why people feel the need to down play the success of games they don't like. Don't you get tired of it? Does the success of this game really upset you that much? Some of the people in the Guild Wars 2 section of MMORPG.com have been repeating the same tired crap since 20 freaking 12. 3 years of pretty much saying the same thing over and over....at every update or quarterly report. Just move on..
It is one thing to say hey the game got an expac. For some reason some fans around here say things like 'greatest expac launch in history' or '#1/2 mmorpg in the west.' Generally that stirs crap up, as everyone has their own opinion on what takes those crowns, and a lot of them will come in with their evidence to prove it.
Are you saying these haters came in presents with evidence? Are we serious now?
Not interested in getting harassed by rabid fans that don't want to acknowledge other games existing. If you are genuinely curious if gw2 is the most successful mmorpg since wow, you can check my history for all my previous links from the last time I made the mistake of aggroing the oddly fanatical gw2 base here.
That has nothing to do with how successful the game is, you are telling people to bring evidence yet you have ZERO evidence your self. Are you joking?
I provided many sources and links evidence of other games having greater success. If those don't matter to you then party on, I don't care if you want to ignore it. Like I said, if you are genuinely curious you can check my history. PM me if you want to. Let's not let this turn into a crap flinging fest in an unrelated thread.
and how many of those 7 million are f2p? THese numbers never mean anything......Except for WoW we dont ever see what percentage of the playerbase quits these games.
WoW just announced it lost 6m subs in 3 months and who knows how many of the rest of the subs are actually active, and small matter that WoW isnt even a sub game in China.
Yes giving their numbers has become a double edged sword for them and if it keeps going down I won't be suprized if they stop giving them.
Blizzard doesn't really get a choice in the matter, they have to publish financials etc. as does NCSoft for that matter. It looks like the GW2 F2P thing may have gained them close to 2 million additional players, or at least, additional accounts, how they are made up by region, hard to say exactly, although prior to 28th August 2015, they had sold 5 million copies of the game, hence the estimated 2 million F2P players, given the present 7 million registered account declaration. Its probably not unreasonable to assume that around 50 percent of the player base is Asian/China based, as NCSofts financials do indicate its their strongest growth area, although honestly it could even be higher. Here at least, some kind of indication of numbers might be possible based on HoT sales figures. Which i guess, is what everyone is waiting for.
The only reason people must come on here and criticise the reported stats of a game is because of their own insecurities and immaturity - perhaps their own favourite game isn't doing to well so they hate to see others doing well. Pretty childish stuff.
The numbers mean nothing but this... They are happy with where things have gone for them. Good for them. As for comparing GW2 to WoW. Well thats like comparing Windows OS to Linux free OS. We all know if you got 10% of all money made from WoW or 10% of the money made from GW2. You know what one you would pick. Hate on Windows or Blizzard but in the end, in their industry they have been the kings of making money and will hold the most number of users no matter how you spin it.
The only reason people must come on here and criticise the reported stats of a game is because of their own insecurities and immaturity - perhaps their own favourite game isn't doing to well so they hate to see others doing well. Pretty childish stuff.
Generic statements like this are pretty much the same as blood in the water to sharks, gives the appearance of vulnerability, that others basically utilise to move in for the kill, pretty obvious stuff really.
Congratulations is in order for ArenaNet! I have played and still have this mmo on my computer. No, due to the fact that I am responsible for a long standing guild in World of Warcraft I do not put in the time as many others do.
However, I remain a follower and know that GW 2 has definitely earned a place in this crazy wonderful history of gaming and mmo's. Seven million people world wide is an awesome achievement and I am in awe of that achievement. It truly is a solid mmo and quite beautiful to look at and experience.
Cheers, ArenaNet, may you continue to grow and prosper!
Alyn
All I want is the truth Just gimme some truth John Lennon
I actually like GW2, not saying it's not a good game because it is.
I just hate people (and articles) that try to push the narrative for advertisers that give the idea the games are bigger than they are. "oh it's catching upto wow guyz!" No, it's really not catching upto wow and they never will.
I had no real issues with the original wording as Arenaet put it, but notice that the article was wrote to change it to "7 million players" or that XIV has "2 million + players" both of these are rubbish and totally made up nonsense driven by using numbers wrong.
and how many of those 7 million are f2p? THese numbers never mean anything......Except for WoW we dont ever see what percentage of the playerbase quits these games.
WoW just announced it lost 6m subs in 3 months and who knows how many of the rest of the subs are actually active, and small matter that WoW isnt even a sub game in China.
Yes giving their numbers has become a double edged sword for them and if it keeps going down I won't be suprized if they stop giving them.
Blizzard doesn't really get a choice in the matter, they have to publish financials etc. as does NCSoft for that matter. It looks like the GW2 F2P thing may have gained them close to 2 million additional players, or at least, additional accounts, how they are made up by region, hard to say exactly, although prior to 28th August 2015, they had sold 5 million copies of the game, hence the estimated 2 million F2P players, given the present 7 million registered account declaration. Its probably not unreasonable to assume that around 50 percent of the player base is Asian/China based, as NCSofts financials do indicate its their strongest growth area, although honestly it could even be higher. Here at least, some kind of indication of numbers might be possible based on HoT sales figures. Which i guess, is what everyone is waiting for.
I doubt that they are Chinese accounts. GW2 bombed over there. They even had larger server mergers. They are most likely western accounts. The MMO is successful, just not as successful as some of these people would like to believe. It also isn't a complete failure as others imply.
James T. Kirk: All she's got isn't good enough! What else ya got?
#2 in what? I'd venture to guess SWTOR has a more revenue and more accounts.
SWTOR's infographic is significantly different in the information it presents. They cite 57 million characters created, and 1 million active players. If you frequent their forums and know about user IDs, they have 14 million accounts created. Food for thought.
The only stat they both share is hours played total by the entire playerbase, which is 635 million for SWTOR, versus the 1.4 billion for GW2. Keep in mind that the SWTOR infographic is from Nov 2014, but had a 9 month headstart on GW2 in terms of launch dates, so the timeframes are appropriately similar.
GW2 is a good game. But beyond that, the only thing that truly matters is....How many players are still logging in anymore / Is the population healthy? The only financial information 99.9% of anyone here needs to know is...Is the game making enough to support itself? Everything else, is based on stupid arguments that contain more extrapolations, assumptions and conjecture than facts........
WTF does 7M accounts created since the dawn of time have to do with how many still log in and play? Anyone have any facts on that?
and how many of those 7 million are f2p? THese numbers never mean anything......Except for WoW we dont ever see what percentage of the playerbase quits these games.
WoW just announced it lost 6m subs in 3 months and who knows how many of the rest of the subs are actually active, and small matter that WoW isnt even a sub game in China.
Yes giving their numbers has become a double edged sword for them and if it keeps going down I won't be suprized if they stop giving them.
Blizzard doesn't really get a choice in the matter, they have to publish financials etc. as does NCSoft for that matter. It looks like the GW2 F2P thing may have gained them close to 2 million additional players, or at least, additional accounts, how they are made up by region, hard to say exactly, although prior to 28th August 2015, they had sold 5 million copies of the game, hence the estimated 2 million F2P players, given the present 7 million registered account declaration. Its probably not unreasonable to assume that around 50 percent of the player base is Asian/China based, as NCSofts financials do indicate its their strongest growth area, although honestly it could even be higher. Here at least, some kind of indication of numbers might be possible based on HoT sales figures. Which i guess, is what everyone is waiting for.
I doubt that they are Chinese accounts. GW2 bombed over there. They even had larger server mergers. They are most likely western accounts. The MMO is successful, just not as successful as some of these people would like to believe. It also isn't a complete failure as others imply.
Unfortunately i don't think NCSofts financial report backs that up in any way.
Nice to hear they have over 7 million created accounts, now if they would only post the actual number of active players (players who have played within the past 3 months). But knowing Anet they will not release that info, might make them look bad.
But congrats on hitting the 7 million number even though it really doesn't mean much.
all this does is prove that a nets PR department is doing a good job. Look at all you trolls that are actually arguing irrelevant numbers and now imagine all the other sites that covered this story also and how many people are reading and arguing their points? Everyone is talking about GW2 now on expansion days and that is the best PR move a company can make.
and how many of those 7 million are f2p? THese numbers never mean anything......Except for WoW we dont ever see what percentage of the playerbase quits these games.
WoW just announced it lost 6m subs in 3 months and who knows how many of the rest of the subs are actually active, and small matter that WoW isnt even a sub game in China.
Yes giving their numbers has become a double edged sword for them and if it keeps going down I won't be suprized if they stop giving them.
Blizzard doesn't really get a choice in the matter, they have to publish financials etc. as does NCSoft for that matter. It looks like the GW2 F2P thing may have gained them close to 2 million additional players, or at least, additional accounts, how they are made up by region, hard to say exactly, although prior to 28th August 2015, they had sold 5 million copies of the game, hence the estimated 2 million F2P players, given the present 7 million registered account declaration. Its probably not unreasonable to assume that around 50 percent of the player base is Asian/China based, as NCSofts financials do indicate its their strongest growth area, although honestly it could even be higher. Here at least, some kind of indication of numbers might be possible based on HoT sales figures. Which i guess, is what everyone is waiting for.
I doubt that they are Chinese accounts. GW2 bombed over there. They even had larger server mergers. They are most likely western accounts. The MMO is successful, just not as successful as some of these people would like to believe. It also isn't a complete failure as others imply.
Unfortunately i don't think NCSofts financial report backs that up in any way.
FIrst time in 11 years that WoW is behind in subs? Only proves how legendary of a game WoW was (is)
You do realize GW2 has zero subs right.
I wonder out of those 7 million accounts how many are like mine. I played for 3 weeks and just stopped playing. I still have an account tho so I am counted in that 7million.
I effing loved GW1 and had such high hopes for GW2. In their effort to broaden the game's appeal though, I felt the sequel just lacked depth. I tried to get back into it when they first announced the expansion a few months back, but that only lasted a couple of days.
If the game's still chugging along, I guess someone out there appreciates the direction they took with it. I'm not one of them. Now I've moved on to hoping CU can be what I was looking for in GW2.
We don't know the amount of active players the game. All we do know is that they made around 19 million USD in sales per quarter in 2014.
Averaging this out, we can say that IF and only IF the game has 1 million active players, then each player would have spent 19 dollars on the game.
Keep in mind that the game is a one time buy, meaning marginal utility rule applies here: If a game is a one time payment, then the older the game, the less people will buy the game. This basically suggests that not a high percentage of players actually bought the game in 2014, so most of the money earned in sales are likely due to being in the cash shop.
This means that if we assume half of that 1 million bought that game at 20 USD and never spent any money again, then we get that we have the other 500,000 subs spending around 18 USD per person.
In reality, It is more likely that only about 25% or less of the money earned in sales are due to buying the game and the rest is all in game cash shop.
In this case, if we assume the game had 1 million players, and 25% of them bought the game for 20 USD, then we have an active player pool of 750,000 spending around 18.67 USD per person.
These are the best assumptions we can make with 2 variables: 1 being # of active players, and the other being $/per.
Of course, this comes with the caveat that the more money they spend in the game, the less players, and the less money they spend, the more active players in the game.
These calculations of course, do not include the people who are playing and not IAPing.
This means, in conclusion, even if it were a subbed game at 15 USD a month, then it would be doing pretty well.
GW2, still keeping haters interested 3 years later. If you are proud that not many people post hate about your game, it's probably because nobody cares about the game. The mere fact that the haters are still here, and still posting proves that their own games are not worth talking about.
All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.
I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.
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Edit: too late, one of the crazy harassers from last time is already here, ready to fling insults and pretend numbers don't exist.
It looks like the GW2 F2P thing may have gained them close to 2 million additional players, or at least, additional accounts, how they are made up by region, hard to say exactly, although prior to 28th August 2015, they had sold 5 million copies of the game, hence the estimated 2 million F2P players, given the present 7 million registered account declaration. Its probably not unreasonable to assume that around 50 percent of the player base is Asian/China based, as NCSofts financials do indicate its their strongest growth area, although honestly it could even be higher. Here at least, some kind of indication of numbers might be possible based on HoT sales figures. Which i guess, is what everyone is waiting for.
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth
John Lennon
I just hate people (and articles) that try to push the narrative for advertisers that give the idea the games are bigger than they are. "oh it's catching upto wow guyz!" No, it's really not catching upto wow and they never will.
I had no real issues with the original wording as Arenaet put it, but notice that the article was wrote to change it to "7 million players" or that XIV has "2 million + players" both of these are rubbish and totally made up nonsense driven by using numbers wrong.
James T. Kirk: All she's got isn't good enough! What else ya got?
The only stat they both share is hours played total by the entire playerbase, which is 635 million for SWTOR, versus the 1.4 billion for GW2. Keep in mind that the SWTOR infographic is from Nov 2014, but had a 9 month headstart on GW2 in terms of launch dates, so the timeframes are appropriately similar.
WTF does 7M accounts created since the dawn of time have to do with how many still log in and play? Anyone have any facts on that?
http://i.imgur.com/OKhoqwG.png?1
But congrats on hitting the 7 million number even though it really doesn't mean much.
I wonder out of those 7 million accounts how many are like mine. I played for 3 weeks and just stopped playing. I still have an account tho so I am counted in that 7million.
If the game's still chugging along, I guess someone out there appreciates the direction they took with it. I'm not one of them. Now I've moved on to hoping CU can be what I was looking for in GW2.
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Averaging this out, we can say that IF and only IF the game has 1 million active players, then each player would have spent 19 dollars on the game.
Keep in mind that the game is a one time buy, meaning marginal utility rule applies here: If a game is a one time payment, then the older the game, the less people will buy the game. This basically suggests that not a high percentage of players actually bought the game in 2014, so most of the money earned in sales are likely due to being in the cash shop.
This means that if we assume half of that 1 million bought that game at 20 USD and never spent any money again, then we get that we have the other 500,000 subs spending around 18 USD per person.
In reality, It is more likely that only about 25% or less of the money earned in sales are due to buying the game and the rest is all in game cash shop.
In this case, if we assume the game had 1 million players, and 25% of them bought the game for 20 USD, then we have an active player pool of 750,000 spending around 18.67 USD per person.
These are the best assumptions we can make with 2 variables: 1 being # of active players, and the other being $/per.
Of course, this comes with the caveat that the more money they spend in the game, the less players, and the less money they spend, the more active players in the game.
These calculations of course, do not include the people who are playing and not IAPing.
This means, in conclusion, even if it were a subbed game at 15 USD a month, then it would be doing pretty well.
GW2, still keeping haters interested 3 years later. If you are proud that not many people post hate about your game, it's probably because nobody cares about the game. The mere fact that the haters are still here, and still posting proves that their own games are not worth talking about.
All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.
I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.
I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.
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