and how many of those 7 million are f2p? THese numbers never mean anything......Except for WoW we dont ever see what percentage of the playerbase quits these games.
WoW just announced it lost 6m subs in 3 months and who knows how many of the rest of the subs are actually active, and small matter that WoW isnt even a sub game in China.
Yes giving their numbers has become a double edged sword for them and if it keeps going down I won't be suprized if they stop giving them.
Blizzard doesn't really get a choice in the matter, they have to publish financials etc. as does NCSoft for that matter. It looks like the GW2 F2P thing may have gained them close to 2 million additional players, or at least, additional accounts, how they are made up by region, hard to say exactly, although prior to 28th August 2015, they had sold 5 million copies of the game, hence the estimated 2 million F2P players, given the present 7 million registered account declaration. Its probably not unreasonable to assume that around 50 percent of the player base is Asian/China based, as NCSofts financials do indicate its their strongest growth area, although honestly it could even be higher. Here at least, some kind of indication of numbers might be possible based on HoT sales figures. Which i guess, is what everyone is waiting for.
I doubt that they are Chinese accounts. GW2 bombed over there. They even had larger server mergers. They are most likely western accounts. The MMO is successful, just not as successful as some of these people would like to believe. It also isn't a complete failure as others imply.
Unfortunately i don't think NCSofts financial report backs that up in any way.
They did have server merges in China. The Chinese sales were much less than expected. Why would one think that sales dramatically improved after that? Blade and Sould did well there though.....
No, the game has 3 megaservers, one in NA, one in the EU and one in China. Saying that the Chinese sales were less than expected, doesn't really say much, were they expecting to sell 5 million and only sold 3 million, that would be less than expected after all, and given sales figures, it would not be wrong to think that the Chinese server has at least 2 million registered accounts, probably far more than that given NCSofts financials, and yes Blade and Soul did really well, which is probably why they are pushing out the door to EU/NA, probably in the hope that it boosts those markets sales for them, which have been doing fairly poorly, particularly since Wildstar crashed and burned.
So far, the original point is that GW2 gets more discussion. You said this thread only has 4 pages. I said other games have even less threads in total.
So you really didn't argue anything. You just made an observation that did absolutely nothing to invalidate the other guys point.
Not only did your point serve nothing to invalidate the other guy's point, but it also says nothing about why GW2 is always leading the clicks list. The clicks list itself proves that the spotlight is always on GW2.
And FYI, WOW's newest expansion just got some press about 2 months ago, so it does have something going on.
I'll spell it out for you..... 4 pages in an MMORPG.COM column on release day for a game's 1st expansion isn't very impressive at all. But that has nothing to do with the game......Only whos posting here. And yeah, I know the next reply.....Everyone's playing, no one's here posting. That's always a classic.
And BTW the "but WoW" argument is old.
People are playing the game and not finding the time to come on here and post in great numbers.
Ye, and when you think about it a bit, with fact that GW2 is no.2 in the west since WoW, it just brings out the gap between WoW and everyone else.
So next time somene says that 6m wow players that quit wow went to other MMOs.....well, they didnt, maybe very very small %.
But, nevertheless, GW2 doing great 3 years after launch.
#2 in what? I'd venture to guess SWTOR has a more revenue and more accounts.
In mostly everything
You can venture all you want, but SWTOR hasnt been doing good. It did decent at launch, somewhat decent at F2P launch but have been dwindling ever since. This year, up to expansion, has been THE most dry year for SWTOR, and 2014, except for small SoR window wasnt much better. 2013 saw a bump with GSF, but that was VERY short lived due to great dissapointment in GSF.
The only reason you these small red bumps if because of free transfres and everyone transfered to few populated servers.
SWTOR will depend wheter people will continue to sub for monthly story updates. I hope they will and we get more juicy updates in the future, but still dont hold my breath.
Unless you can show account numbers and revenue, we're both making guesses. Don't act like GW2 is obviously #2.
Now, with that said, GW2 is probably the only game that has been talked about with so much hate passion that it really shows that even in a forum like MMORPG.com, the spotlight is still on GW2.
Not even close. I'd say Archeage and Trion get a lot more hate by a LOT. You seem too attached top GW2 to see clearly.
First FFXIV pushes its misleading numbers (when it really only has less than 500k subs) and now GW2 does it.
The only thing I hate more than the companies using these tactics is when websites like this one push the misleading numbers into meaning something they really aren't. This and many other sites are horrible for doing this and they know what the numbers are.
Here is this very site doing the exact same thing not long ago:
Using numbers that mean one thing to push the idea that they mean something else. Registered accounts, (of which WoW has over 100 million) are being used to push the narrative that XIV and GW2 has millions of subscribers/active players which is totally nonsense and the company has never said that.
It would never work for WoW because they are open about their sub numbers and the number is so big it just would not work, for a small game like XIV though it actually did work for a long while. This is why more companies are starting to do it and why I have been annoyed by it for so long. Not because of what it did but what it encourages others to do.
How's this misleading? They said 7m guild wars accounts have been created. This is not misleading. I wonder how intelligent people are if they can't even read.
Most people only read the headlines, the big numbers and don't read the flavor texts. This site spoke of the 7 million players to get people to click it. That's misleading.
Iselin: And the next person who says "but it's a business, they need to make money" can just go fuck yourself.
GW2 is a solid game; not everyone will like it but it is a solid game.
NCSoft is a sold company.
Over 5M sales had previously been announced so as said above up to 2M additional "free" accounts.
1M pre-orders were announced for China were - probably not as high as expected but it was always going to be tough since it launched as b2p not f2p. Were they all fulfilled? We don't know but the earlier western sales (3M) and the more recent 5M+ suggests most probably were. So not that shabby.
As far as b2p box sales go - if you exclude Destiny and GW1 - GW2 could be number 2. Delve into accounts created and ..... L1, WoW, GW1 and a host of f2p games will be up there. As others have said accounts created is not a very meaningful figure.
GW2 is making money. How that translates into active players - as said above - we don't know. At an average of $5 a month a couple of million plus say but people can play and pay nothing (was b2p) whilst others may spend more.
and how many of those 7 million are f2p? THese numbers never mean anything......Except for WoW we dont ever see what percentage of the playerbase quits these games.
WoW just announced it lost 6m subs in 3 months and who knows how many of the rest of the subs are actually active, and small matter that WoW isnt even a sub game in China.
Yes giving their numbers has become a double edged sword for them and if it keeps going down I won't be suprized if they stop giving them.
Blizzard doesn't really get a choice in the matter, they have to publish financials etc. as does NCSoft for that matter. It looks like the GW2 F2P thing may have gained them close to 2 million additional players, or at least, additional accounts, how they are made up by region, hard to say exactly, although prior to 28th August 2015, they had sold 5 million copies of the game, hence the estimated 2 million F2P players, given the present 7 million registered account declaration. Its probably not unreasonable to assume that around 50 percent of the player base is Asian/China based, as NCSofts financials do indicate its their strongest growth area, although honestly it could even be higher. Here at least, some kind of indication of numbers might be possible based on HoT sales figures. Which i guess, is what everyone is waiting for.
I doubt that they are Chinese accounts. GW2 bombed over there. They even had larger server mergers. They are most likely western accounts. The MMO is successful, just not as successful as some of these people would like to believe. It also isn't a complete failure as others imply.
Unfortunately i don't think NCSofts financial report backs that up in any way.
They did have server merges in China. The Chinese sales were much less than expected. Why would one think that sales dramatically improved after that? Blade and Sould did well there though.....
No, the game has 3 megaservers, one in NA, one in the EU and one in China. Saying that the Chinese sales were less than expected, doesn't really say much, were they expecting to sell 5 million and only sold 3 million, that would be less than expected after all, and given sales figures, it would not be wrong to think that the Chinese server has at least 2 million registered accounts, probably far more than that given NCSofts financials, and yes Blade and Soul did really well, which is probably why they are pushing out the door to EU/NA, probably in the hope that it boosts those markets sales for them, which have been doing fairly poorly, particularly since Wildstar crashed and burned.
Now, with that said, GW2 is probably the only game that has been talked about with so much hate passion that it really shows that even in a forum like MMORPG.com, the spotlight is still on GW2.
Not even close. I'd say Archeage and Trion get a lot more hate by a LOT. You seem too attached top GW2 to see clearly.
Archage was talked about for like 3 months and that's it. People still say it's "bad" and that's it. No further discussion. GW2 has had haters for 3 years and the hate is still going strong.
Ye, and when you think about it a bit, with fact that GW2 is no.2 in the west since WoW, it just brings out the gap between WoW and everyone else.
So next time somene says that 6m wow players that quit wow went to other MMOs.....well, they didnt, maybe very very small %.
But, nevertheless, GW2 doing great 3 years after launch.
#2 in what? I'd venture to guess SWTOR has a more revenue and more accounts.
In mostly everything
You can venture all you want, but SWTOR hasnt been doing good. It did decent at launch, somewhat decent at F2P launch but have been dwindling ever since. This year, up to expansion, has been THE most dry year for SWTOR, and 2014, except for small SoR window wasnt much better. 2013 saw a bump with GSF, but that was VERY short lived due to great dissapointment in GSF.
The only reason you these small red bumps if because of free transfres and everyone transfered to few populated servers.
SWTOR will depend wheter people will continue to sub for monthly story updates. I hope they will and we get more juicy updates in the future, but still dont hold my breath.
Unless you can show account numbers and revenue, we're both making guesses. Don't act like GW2 is obviously #2.
GW2 sales has been 145 mil for the first year, 108 mil for the next year and 75 mil for the third year. All #'s are in USD. It seems to be generating a stable 6.5 mil a month.
This is the official NCSoft GW2 sales #'s that you can find on the NCSoft website.
I had a feeling they would try a cute tactic. It does let them claim huge number of 'subscribers' considering its P2P with cash shop, so even those who haven't touched the game in years still 'count' as a player. To be fair a lot of companies do this, even if they are generally stupid market gimmick.
I have a feeling the F2P move was done when it was with this being in mind to try and inflate the number to make the game look more popular. Gotta give credit that it was a clever move for them to bolster their numbers more to make themselves look hugely more popular.
You know what's cute? People like you getting worked up on something that was NEVER actually written in the infographic.
The infographic says
"7 million+ Guild Wars 2 account have been created".
So how exactly are they "claiming" "a huge number of subscribers". Where are they claiming this? OOh snap. It must be you who's failing to read what the infographic says.
They don't have any subscribers. And they have really good forums which is why most of their players do not visit mmorpg.com What other game can you participate in a raid at level 10? What other game has skill based pvp that does not depend on gear? What other game has WVW? What other game offers 3 different ways to complete quests? What other game has constant updates with world changes and not require buying or paying a sub for it? What other game has dynamic events all over the world? Hell at level 5 you can watch centaurs take over a town or help stop them. And depending on what you did determines if the centaurs are there when its done. This is a truly great game anyone who says otherwise is just being a troll.
ARK. Open World Full Loot PvP with full Crafting world and Sandbox features. No quests. Quests are Meh.
First FFXIV pushes its misleading numbers (when it really only has less than 500k subs) and now GW2 does it.
The only thing I hate more than the companies using these tactics is when websites like this one push the misleading numbers into meaning something they really aren't. This and many other sites are horrible for doing this and they know what the numbers are.
Here is this very site doing the exact same thing not long ago:
Using numbers that mean one thing to push the idea that they mean something else. Registered accounts, (of which WoW has over 100 million) are being used to push the narrative that XIV and GW2 has millions of subscribers/active players which is totally nonsense and the company has never said that.
It would never work for WoW because they are open about their sub numbers and the number is so big it just would not work, for a small game like XIV though it actually did work for a long while. This is why more companies are starting to do it and why I have been annoyed by it for so long. Not because of what it did but what it encourages others to do.
How's this misleading? They said 7m guild wars accounts have been created. This is not misleading. I wonder how intelligent people are if they can't even read.
Most people only read the headlines, the big numbers and don't read the flavor texts. This site spoke of the 7 million players to get people to click it. That's misleading.
Then the issue is with the way this website presents information, yet all the posts are directed at arenanet trying to mislead people when that's clearly not the case.
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Where is your source that people are not doing what he's saying?
See, it goes both ways.
Becasue I didn't make the claim..........
You are saying......."Because it could possibly be true and if you can't prove it isn't you have to assume it is"
That's a load of BS.
By the same logic you are assuming that if he can't prove what he's saying that it's not true.
Lomg story short - none of you can prove anything.
Again...BS! It's called misinformation. I didn't post it. He did. I didn't pull a fictitious statement out of my ass and post it as factual. He did. I don't need to prove anything to call someone out on that. He does.
If anything historically speaking, AFIK, there has never been a game here on these boards where anyone could could connect the game's overwhelming popularity to an absence of forum posts. It's always been the opposite. The more popular the game, the more forum posts. But now all the sudden GW2 releases an expansion and by all accounts on this board, it does not appear to be going all gangbusters.
Someone else, in your estimation, is allowed to make shit up if it shows this game positive light regardless of accuracy but no one dare question the facts? Really? OK then.
Now, with that said, GW2 is probably the only game that has been talked about with so much hate passion that it really shows that even in a forum like MMORPG.com, the spotlight is still on GW2.
Not even close. I'd say Archeage and Trion get a lot more hate by a LOT. You seem too attached top GW2 to see clearly.
I'd say it's much better than being unattached and trying to see clearly.
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Now, with that said, GW2 is probably the only game that has been talked about with so much hate passion that it really shows that even in a forum like MMORPG.com, the spotlight is still on GW2.
Not even close. I'd say Archeage and Trion get a lot more hate by a LOT. You seem too attached top GW2 to see clearly.
Archage was talked about for like 3 months and that's it. People still say it's "bad" and that's it. No further discussion. GW2 has had haters for 3 years and the hate is still going strong.
That's because Archeage is bad and people mostly stopped playing it.
GW2 is also pretty bad, but it's also pretty great - and that annoys people who like a lot of things about it, and wish other things would change. It's one of those games with a lot of potential to be even better than it is, similar situation with WoW, which is why is has constant hate. People want to play those games, it's usually just a few things holding them back from enjoying the experience.
I think GW2 has a lot to offer, and could be a much better game than it is, but certain decisions by ANET have kept me away. I played for a long time and would have liked to keep playing, but it's just one too many irritants keeping me from wanting to go back.
and how many of those 7 million are f2p? THese numbers never mean anything......Except for WoW we dont ever see what percentage of the playerbase quits these games.
well GW2 doesnt have subscription so they dont care if you quit/took a break or whatever. 7m accounts means 7m different players, i doubt the f2p ones are more than 1-2m ..
gj Anet, creating a successfull game under such bad brand as NCsoft is trully an achievement!
Ye, and when you think about it a bit, with fact that GW2 is no.2 in the west since WoW, it just brings out the gap between WoW and everyone else.
So next time somene says that 6m wow players that quit wow went to other MMOs.....well, they didnt, maybe very very small %.
But, nevertheless, GW2 doing great 3 years after launch.
#2 in what? I'd venture to guess SWTOR has a more revenue and more accounts.
In mostly everything
You can venture all you want, but SWTOR hasnt been doing good. It did decent at launch, somewhat decent at F2P launch but have been dwindling ever since. This year, up to expansion, has been THE most dry year for SWTOR, and 2014, except for small SoR window wasnt much better. 2013 saw a bump with GSF, but that was VERY short lived due to great dissapointment in GSF.
The only reason you these small red bumps if because of free transfres and everyone transfered to few populated servers.
SWTOR will depend wheter people will continue to sub for monthly story updates. I hope they will and we get more juicy updates in the future, but still dont hold my breath.
Unless you can show account numbers and revenue, we're both making guesses. Don't act like GW2 is obviously #2.
#2 in what? I'd venture to guess SWTOR has a more revenue and more accounts.
SWTOR's infographic is significantly different in the information it presents. They cite 57 million characters created,
and 1 million active players. If you frequent their forums and know
about user IDs, they have 14 million accounts created. Food for thought.
The only stat they both share is hours played total by the entire playerbase, which is 635 million for SWTOR,
versus the 1.4 billion for GW2. Keep in mind that the SWTOR infographic
is from Nov 2014, but had a 9 month headstart on GW2 in terms of launch
dates, so the timeframes are appropriately similar.
"which is 635 million for SWTOR, versus the 1.4 billion for GW2"
You hit the nail and take my "poster of the day" *hands a cookie*
Unfortunately, people cant read.
And for those who are considering those 19m$ - those are just western numbers without China. China is buried in royalties.
and how many of those 7 million are f2p? THese numbers never mean anything......Except for WoW we dont ever see what percentage of the playerbase quits these games.
WoW just announced it lost 6m subs in 3 months and who knows how many of the rest of the subs are actually active, and small matter that WoW isnt even a sub game in China.
Yes giving their numbers has become a double edged sword for them and if it keeps going down I won't be suprized if they stop giving them.
Blizzard doesn't really get a choice in the matter, they have to publish financials etc. as does NCSoft for that matter. It looks like the GW2 F2P thing may have gained them close to 2 million additional players, or at least, additional accounts, how they are made up by region, hard to say exactly, although prior to 28th August 2015, they had sold 5 million copies of the game, hence the estimated 2 million F2P players, given the present 7 million registered account declaration. Its probably not unreasonable to assume that around 50 percent of the player base is Asian/China based, as NCSofts financials do indicate its their strongest growth area, although honestly it could even be higher. Here at least, some kind of indication of numbers might be possible based on HoT sales figures. Which i guess, is what everyone is waiting for.
I doubt that they are Chinese accounts. GW2 bombed over there. They even had larger server mergers. They are most likely western accounts. The MMO is successful, just not as successful as some of these people would like to believe. It also isn't a complete failure as others imply.
Unfortunately i don't think NCSofts financial report backs that up in any way.
They did have server merges in China. The Chinese sales were much less than expected. Why would one think that sales dramatically improved after that? Blade and Sould did well there though.....
No, the game has 3 megaservers, one in NA, one in the EU and one in China. Saying that the Chinese sales were less than expected, doesn't really say much, were they expecting to sell 5 million and only sold 3 million, that would be less than expected after all, and given sales figures, it would not be wrong to think that the Chinese server has at least 2 million registered accounts, probably far more than that given NCSofts financials, and yes Blade and Soul did really well, which is probably why they are pushing out the door to EU/NA, probably in the hope that it boosts those markets sales for them, which have been doing fairly poorly, particularly since Wildstar crashed and burned.
Actually you havent read your own link. It was mergers in 1 of 3 districts. So no, "they had server mergers in China" is you PR BS.
You have NO clue how its doing over there or how much money it pulls, for all we know, with their pretty much P2P system, they may be pulling >>> profiit margin tha WoW.
NCSoft just gets royalties for China, and whatever they get just ups their profits. And thats ON TOP of what they report for the west.
FIrst time in 11 years that WoW is behind in subs? Only proves how legendary of a game WoW was (is)
nope, it says 7 million ACCOUNTS CREATED , active players are way less, like 1 million or so
It won't matter though. Just as with FFXIV, false numbers get reported on other news sites where 4 million registered accounts gets morphed into players then morphed into active subscribers. It's like a game journalist version of Chinese whispers, they get morphed a little more with each telling till they have "more players than WoW".
The problem with this kind of rubbish is it spreads and mutates, and retards buy into it.
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See, it goes both ways.
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NCSoft is a sold company.
Over 5M sales had previously been announced so as said above up to 2M additional "free" accounts.
1M pre-orders were announced for China were - probably not as high as expected but it was always going to be tough since it launched as b2p not f2p. Were they all fulfilled? We don't know but the earlier western sales (3M) and the more recent 5M+ suggests most probably were. So not that shabby.
As far as b2p box sales go - if you exclude Destiny and GW1 - GW2 could be number 2. Delve into accounts created and ..... L1, WoW, GW1 and a host of f2p games will be up there. As others have said accounts created is not a very meaningful figure.
GW2 is making money. How that translates into active players - as said above - we don't know. At an average of $5 a month a couple of million plus say but people can play and pay nothing (was b2p) whilst others may spend more.
Its an infographic. What do we expect!
You are saying......."Because it could possibly be true and if you can't prove it isn't you have to assume it is"
That's a load of BS.
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GW2 sales has been 145 mil for the first year, 108 mil for the next year and 75 mil for the third year. All #'s are in USD. It seems to be generating a stable 6.5 mil a month.
This is the official NCSoft GW2 sales #'s that you can find on the NCSoft website.
I don't know about SWTOR though.
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By the same logic you are assuming that if he can't prove what he's saying that it's not true.
Lomg story short - none of you can prove anything.
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If anything historically speaking, AFIK, there has never been a game here on these boards where anyone could could connect the game's overwhelming popularity to an absence of forum posts. It's always been the opposite. The more popular the game, the more forum posts. But now all the sudden GW2 releases an expansion and by all accounts on this board, it does not appear to be going all gangbusters.
Someone else, in your estimation, is allowed to make shit up if it shows this game positive light regardless of accuracy but no one dare question the facts?
Really?
OK then.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
GW2 is also pretty bad, but it's also pretty great - and that annoys people who like a lot of things about it, and wish other things would change. It's one of those games with a lot of potential to be even better than it is, similar situation with WoW, which is why is has constant hate. People want to play those games, it's usually just a few things holding them back from enjoying the experience.
I think GW2 has a lot to offer, and could be a much better game than it is, but certain decisions by ANET have kept me away. I played for a long time and would have liked to keep playing, but it's just one too many irritants keeping me from wanting to go back.
You do need everything drawn to you, dont you.
Along with
http://www.torstatus.net/shards/eu/trends
https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=wildstar, the elder scrolls online, star wars the old republic, guild wars 2, world of warcraft&date=today 12-m&cmpt=q&tz=Etc/GMT-1
You can dance around ALL you want, but it isnt going away.
You have NO clue how its doing over there or how much money it pulls, for all we know, with their pretty much P2P system, they may be pulling >>> profiit margin tha WoW.
NCSoft just gets royalties for China, and whatever they get just ups their profits. And thats ON TOP of what they report for the west.
Deal with it. Its been over 3 years now lol
The problem with this kind of rubbish is it spreads and mutates, and retards buy into it.