I had a feeling they would try a cute tactic. It does let them claim huge number of 'subscribers' considering its P2P with cash shop, so even those who haven't touched the game in years still 'count' as a player. To be fair a lot of companies do this, even if they are generally stupid market gimmick.
I have a feeling the F2P move was done when it was with this being in mind to try and inflate the number to make the game look more popular. Gotta give credit that it was a clever move for them to bolster their numbers more to make themselves look hugely more popular.
GW2 went F2P some month ago...
Yes, and the new accounts there count towards the total players. Notice how it says "7 million accounts" there. Those people who got the F2P account, played it 5 minutes then quit count towards that 7 million.
Both the info graphic AND the title are purposely misleading to show more hype to the game. Again, its nothing exclusive to Anet and is relatively common, but it is highly deceptive in its attended message.
well haters got what they wanted. if things were so good they wouldn't announce f2p hybrid model. after the expansion give the game 6 months. by then they will unload their other planned big updates and the hype also died. the lead designer is already out. unless they Miraculously keep making constant content updates even after 6 months.
now what though? the future is not so bright for MMORPGs anyway these days. i am not saying there isn't anything to enjoy. in fact there are more than ever but it's quantity over quality. if GW2 couldn't do it then i doubt the likes of Black Desert can hold on to their business model. don't look at FF14. how many MMOs got remade like that in MMO history anyway? they rather commit seppuku than changing their business model that easily. at some point they are gonna make a new FF MMO and they want to make sure it's name is not poisoned among MMO gamers. when it comes to FF it's always long term plans. longer than usual.
almost all major publishers tried making an MMORPG. now we can only wait for Blizzard to see when will their cow run out of milk and after that maybe big publishers may get interested again.
i hope i am wrong though.
my top MMOs: UO,DAOC,WoW,GW2
most of my posts are just my opinions they are not facts,it is the same for you too.
I'll be happy to explain. 1st when you thought GW2 was being criticized, you pulled the old "but WoW" card to indicate that a popular game doesn't need heavy forum activity to be popular as an argument to me saying Forum activity doesn't necessarily coincide with game popularity (Essentially the same thing you said) Then you got called out on it, realized your mistake so you back pedaled and went on to "prove" how popular GW2 is using Reddit forum activity now supporting the very post you accidentally argued against.
I'll be happy to explain. 1st when you thought GW2 was being criticized, you pulled the old "but WoW" card to indicate that a popular game doesn't need heavy forum activity to be popular as an argument to me saying Forum activity doesn't necessarily coincide with game popularity (Essentially the same thing you said) Then you got called out on it, realized your mistake so you back pedaled and went on to "prove" how popular GW2 is using Reddit forum activity now supporting the very post you accidentally argued against.
Okay fair enough, I didn't realize I didn't explain myself clearly and that is a mistake, but I'll explain my point clearly:
My point is that forum activity does indeed translate to a games popularity, but not MMORPG.com's forums, yet GW2 still having so much attention on these forums is something to be noticed.
Let me explain.
MMORPG has always been a small forum and quite frankly the forum users are users who like to play a lot of different MMOs rather than sticking to a single one so there really is no better place than this for them to discuss many games in general.
If you check the reddit forums for their respective games, then they seem to show more accurately how popular the game is. But back to the point about MMORPG. This is what I mean by forum activity translates to popularity of games.
Now let me explain why I said what I said about WOW.
The point I made about with WOW having 0 subs and yet still being so popular is because the users of this forums like WOW like games and tend to not talk so passionately about games they do like. Even popular games like TSW or FFXIV have low activity here. Once again most of the forum activity seems to be about what is upcoming. That coupled with the small community of MMORPG.com, makes it a really not accurate way to analyze the trend of game popularity. Of course this is regarding the MMORPG.com forums only.
Now, with that said, GW2 is probably the only game that has been talked about with so much hate passion that it really shows that even in a forum like MMORPG.com, the spotlight is still on GW2.
TLDR I'm saying even on a site like MMORPG, where WOW, TSW, FFXIV has 0 threads, GW2 is still being talked about.
and how many of those 7 million are f2p? THese numbers never mean anything......Except for WoW we dont ever see what percentage of the playerbase quits these games.
WoW just announced it lost 6m subs in 3 months and who knows how many of the rest of the subs are actually active, and small matter that WoW isnt even a sub game in China.
Yes giving their numbers has become a double edged sword for them and if it keeps going down I won't be suprized if they stop giving them.
Blizzard doesn't really get a choice in the matter, they have to publish financials etc. as does NCSoft for that matter. It looks like the GW2 F2P thing may have gained them close to 2 million additional players, or at least, additional accounts, how they are made up by region, hard to say exactly, although prior to 28th August 2015, they had sold 5 million copies of the game, hence the estimated 2 million F2P players, given the present 7 million registered account declaration. Its probably not unreasonable to assume that around 50 percent of the player base is Asian/China based, as NCSofts financials do indicate its their strongest growth area, although honestly it could even be higher. Here at least, some kind of indication of numbers might be possible based on HoT sales figures. Which i guess, is what everyone is waiting for.
I doubt that they are Chinese accounts. GW2 bombed over there. They even had larger server mergers. They are most likely western accounts. The MMO is successful, just not as successful as some of these people would like to believe. It also isn't a complete failure as others imply.
Unfortunately i don't think NCSofts financial report backs that up in any way.
They did have server merges in China. The Chinese sales were much less than expected. Why would one think that sales dramatically improved after that? Blade and Sould did well there though.....
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Seems concerning that they aren't having server and log in issues as that most likely means they didn't get old players that dropped it back!
most healthy expacs see numbers surge, this seems like more of a moderate patch type response.
My thoughts exactly, the "absence" (this is somewhat controversial, but let's assume) of server & login issues can indicate both an excellent launch or simply the small size of the Xpack & playerbase, even with all the "new" players included.
As always, these companies rarely put out retention rates. People want to see concurrent players, during peak times.
For example, details such as "135% PvP growth since November 2014" can simply indicate big negative peak in Nov 2014, and there is couple more similar moments.
But, frankly, you or me would do the same on their place
Seems concerning that they aren't having server and log in issues as that most likely means they didn't get old players that dropped it back!
most healthy expacs see numbers surge, this seems like more of a moderate patch type response.
My thoughts exactly, the "absence" (this is somewhat controversial, but let's assume) of server & login issues can indicate both an excellent launch or simply the small size of the Xpack & playerbase, even with all the "new" players included.
This company rarely screws anything up when it comes to patches and traffic. They have the best leadership of any mmo and the best coding. This is the only time in over 2 years that the servers have been down for an update. And they are always doing updates and they never have to bring the servers down for maintenance. I'd say they just know what they are doing plain and simple.
FIrst time in 11 years that WoW is behind in subs? Only proves how legendary of a game WoW was (is)
LOL and the shady PR speak claims it's first victim.
That's 7 million accounts, not 7 million active users.
It means that someone like me who hadn't played in over a year is counted in that 7 million.
Why are you even trying to explain this to him? It's not a PR speak, it's completely his fault for being unable to comprehend what he's reading He just can't read. They say 7 million players, aka 7 millions accounts created.
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Yeah, cause that McDonalds analogy has never been made. I think you should go have your own start up. With that creativity and innovation pouring from you, you are bound to be the next Steve Jobs.
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Gw2 haters? If you played any mmorpg when GW2 launched the obnoxious fanboys of the game spammed every other games world chat and forums about how amazing gw2 was and how it would kill all these other titles for months. Granted these idiots all quit the game within the year but still, it's hated by association due to what they did in its name.
I had a feeling they would try a cute tactic. It does let them claim huge number of 'subscribers' considering its P2P with cash shop, so even those who haven't touched the game in years still 'count' as a player. To be fair a lot of companies do this, even if they are generally stupid market gimmick.
I have a feeling the F2P move was done when it was with this being in mind to try and inflate the number to make the game look more popular. Gotta give credit that it was a clever move for them to bolster their numbers more to make themselves look hugely more popular.
You know what's cute? People like you getting worked up on something that was NEVER actually written in the infographic.
The infographic says
"7 million+ Guild Wars 2 account have been created".
So how exactly are they "claiming" "a huge number of subscribers". Where are they claiming this? OOh snap. It must be you who's failing to read what the infographic says.
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First FFXIV pushes its misleading numbers (when it really only has less than 500k subs) and now GW2 does it.
The only thing I hate more than the companies using these tactics is when websites like this one push the misleading numbers into meaning something they really aren't. This and many other sites are horrible for doing this and they know what the numbers are.
Here is this very site doing the exact same thing not long ago:
Using numbers that mean one thing to push the idea that they mean something else. Registered accounts, (of which WoW has over 100 million) are being used to push the narrative that XIV and GW2 has millions of subscribers/active players which is totally nonsense and the company has never said that.
It would never work for WoW because they are open about their sub numbers and the number is so big it just would not work, for a small game like XIV though it actually did work for a long while. This is why more companies are starting to do it and why I have been annoyed by it for so long. Not because of what it did but what it encourages others to do.
How's this misleading? They said 7m guild wars accounts have been created. This is not misleading. I wonder how intelligent people are if they can't even read.
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Gw2 haters? If you played any mmorpg when GW2 launched the obnoxious fanboys of the game spammed every other games world chat and forums about how amazing gw2 was and how it would kill all these other titles for months. Granted these idiots all quit the game within the year but still, it's hated by association due to what they did in its name.
This is one game that well earned its haters.
What about the other 20 odd games on this website which are ALSO hated? It just feels like this website is just full of bitter old people who reminisce of the past.
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So far, the original point is that GW2 gets more discussion. You said this thread only has 4 pages. I said other games have even less threads in total.
So you really didn't argue anything. You just made an observation that did absolutely nothing to invalidate the other guys point.
Not only did your point serve nothing to invalidate the other guy's point, but it also says nothing about why GW2 is always leading the clicks list. The clicks list itself proves that the spotlight is always on GW2.
And FYI, WOW's newest expansion just got some press about 2 months ago, so it does have something going on.
I'll spell it out for you..... 4 pages in an MMORPG.COM column on release day for a game's 1st expansion isn't very impressive at all. But that has nothing to do with the game......Only whos posting here. And yeah, I know the next reply.....Everyone's playing, no one's here posting. That's always a classic.
And BTW the "but WoW" argument is old.
People are playing the game and not finding the time to come on here and post in great numbers.
I play Everquest but I am not here talking about the game on their boards not even once this month. Lot of people play games and do not ever post about them on the forums of those boards. Instead we discuss other games or talk about other things it has no bearing on the actual population playing a game.
I had a feeling they would try a cute tactic. It does let them claim huge number of 'subscribers' considering its P2P with cash shop, so even those who haven't touched the game in years still 'count' as a player. To be fair a lot of companies do this, even if they are generally stupid market gimmick.
I have a feeling the F2P move was done when it was with this being in mind to try and inflate the number to make the game look more popular. Gotta give credit that it was a clever move for them to bolster their numbers more to make themselves look hugely more popular.
You know what's cute? People like you getting worked up on something that was NEVER actually written in the infographic.
The infographic says
"7 million+ Guild Wars 2 account have been created".
So how exactly are they "claiming" "a huge number of subscribers". Where are they claiming this? OOh snap. It must be you who's failing to read what the infographic says.
They don't have any subscribers. And they have really good forums which is why most of their players do not visit mmorpg.com What other game can you participate in a raid at level 10? What other game has skill based pvp that does not depend on gear? What other game has WVW? What other game offers 3 different ways to complete quests? What other game has constant updates with world changes and not require buying or paying a sub for it? What other game has dynamic events all over the world? Hell at level 5 you can watch centaurs take over a town or help stop them. And depending on what you did determines if the centaurs are there when its done. This is a truly great game anyone who says otherwise is just being a troll.
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Both the info graphic AND the title are purposely misleading to show more hype to the game. Again, its nothing exclusive to Anet and is relatively common, but it is highly deceptive in its attended message.
now what though? the future is not so bright for MMORPGs anyway these days. i am not saying there isn't anything to enjoy. in fact there are more than ever but it's quantity over quality. if GW2 couldn't do it then i doubt the likes of Black Desert can hold on to their business model. don't look at FF14. how many MMOs got remade like that in MMO history anyway? they rather commit seppuku than changing their business model that easily. at some point they are gonna make a new FF MMO and they want to make sure it's name is not poisoned among MMO gamers. when it comes to FF it's always long term plans. longer than usual.
almost all major publishers tried making an MMORPG. now we can only wait for Blizzard to see when will their cow run out of milk and after that maybe big publishers may get interested again.
i hope i am wrong though.
my top MMOs: UO,DAOC,WoW,GW2
most of my posts are just my opinions they are not facts,it is the same for you too.
Seems concerning that they aren't having server and log in issues as that most likely means they didn't get old players that dropped it back!
most healthy expacs see numbers surge, this seems like more of a moderate patch type response.
Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
1st when you thought GW2 was being criticized, you pulled the old "but WoW" card to indicate that a popular game doesn't need heavy forum activity to be popular as an argument to me saying Forum activity doesn't necessarily coincide with game popularity (Essentially the same thing you said) Then you got called out on it, realized your mistake so you back pedaled and went on to "prove" how popular GW2 is using Reddit forum activity now supporting the very post you accidentally argued against.
My point is that forum activity does indeed translate to a games popularity, but not MMORPG.com's forums, yet GW2 still having so much attention on these forums is something to be noticed.
Let me explain.
MMORPG has always been a small forum and quite frankly the forum users are users who like to play a lot of different MMOs rather than sticking to a single one so there really is no better place than this for them to discuss many games in general.
If you check the reddit forums for their respective games, then they seem to show more accurately how popular the game is. But back to the point about MMORPG. This is what I mean by forum activity translates to popularity of games.
Now let me explain why I said what I said about WOW.
The point I made about with WOW having 0 subs and yet still being so popular is because the users of this forums like WOW like games and tend to not talk so passionately about games they do like. Even popular games like TSW or FFXIV have low activity here. Once again most of the forum activity seems to be about what is upcoming. That coupled with the small community of MMORPG.com, makes it a really not accurate way to analyze the trend of game popularity. Of course this is regarding the MMORPG.com forums only.
Now, with that said, GW2 is probably the only game that has been talked about with so much hate passion that it really shows that even in a forum like MMORPG.com, the spotlight is still on GW2.
TLDR I'm saying even on a site like MMORPG, where WOW, TSW, FFXIV has 0 threads, GW2 is still being talked about.
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But, frankly, you or me would do the same on their place
Nice one but try again harder next time.
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This is one game that well earned its haters.
The infographic says
"7 million+ Guild Wars 2 account have been created".
So how exactly are they "claiming" "a huge number of subscribers". Where are they claiming this? OOh snap. It must be you who's failing to read what the infographic says.
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I play Everquest but I am not here talking about the game on their boards not even once this month. Lot of people play games and do not ever post about them on the forums of those boards. Instead we discuss other games or talk about other things it has no bearing on the actual population playing a game.
They don't have any subscribers. And they have really good forums which is why most of their players do not visit mmorpg.com What other game can you participate in a raid at level 10? What other game has skill based pvp that does not depend on gear? What other game has WVW? What other game offers 3 different ways to complete quests? What other game has constant updates with world changes and not require buying or paying a sub for it? What other game has dynamic events all over the world? Hell at level 5 you can watch centaurs take over a town or help stop them. And depending on what you did determines if the centaurs are there when its done. This is a truly great game anyone who says otherwise is just being a troll.