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so this game has "alpha classes"
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Silly questions.
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It is quite possible to accomplish a lot of systems,you just need to be organized.I think we are just too accepting of all the crap that has been coming out,an extreme lack of effort in all these games,so imo it is about time someone put some effort into their game.
Now what likely happens and i expect it is that the more systems you make your likely to piss someone off somewhere but you know what,don't get your jimmies rustled,just think you could play a shallow game that does nothing but linear questing ....zzzzzzzzzzz.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
The ultimate idea is that this developer is trying something unusual. The OP questions the validity of one of the systems in particular. This system as well as some of the others are probably questionable design choices if we look at the current generation of MMOs. One of the points made in return is that these design choices make a whole lot more sense when we consider all of them as a whole. There were quotes from the developer intending to reinforce the expectation that this would be a niche product and the developers stand by the unorthodox systems regardless of the measures of success.
Some individuals are excited by the dev journals highlighting these systems, but will the systems really add something to the genre? Will it really work out? No one has the answers but it's interesting to see constructive conversation about it.
So lets turn this around. What do you think about his particular system? Do you think it will be an interesting tool to drive story development or do you think it will really devolve into cash shop bonuses? What do you base your opinion on? Have you read the dev journals? Do you think this system might synergize well with the other systems they've revealed?
I believe their goal is to create a true sandbox with RPG elements and tools/mechanics that we've not previously had access to. They don't seem to be mechanics intended to be used for lolzmasspvp like the "sandbox" games usually have. I get the impression that they really want to create a world and make the players part of it.
CAN THEY ACTUALLY DO IT? I'm leaning towards probably not but it's a fun idea to entertain rather than spit on. I'll try not to judge them based on previous companies who typically buckle under the power of the investor/dollar but I won't dash my hopes and dreams over something that may never see the light of day.
One of the points HFS and I have been making is this and nearly all of the other so-called 'innovations' of CoE have been done before. Their success have had varying degrees of (mostly) failures.
What do I think about this particular system, well if you had read my post a page back there you would know I asked fairly pertinent questions regarding it.
"Wonder why you feel the need to add in Talents to help generate conflict between players.
Why can't you rely upon the thousands of players to naturally generate 'conflict and story'?"
and let's not forget I also said
Stories affect individually, but Soulbound is trying to make Story affect communally.
The problem I see coming from you is when you say you want 'constructive conversation', you don't actually mean that. you're wanting a bunch of 'amen' and 'preach it'.
Some of the issues I currently have:
I hope they deliver and my only concerns are, are these great ideas and concepts also fun to play? Will the combat be funny? Combat is still the activity which most players prefer and do the most time. This will be crucial
- Flips back and forth? Care to cite? We've said from the beginning that gold, silver, leather, etc... may all be forms of currency, and that economics in different regions may lead to some forms of currency being more valuable than others. I'm really curious where we've said otherwise.
- You don't have to like the Soulborn Engine. But it's there regardless.
- Everything isn't randomly generated for your character. You pick which soul of those given to you you want to use. You pick which family you want to join based on your desires. You customize your character within the constraints set by your family, etc... Are there constraints? Yes. But we believe they're there for good reasons, and in most cases our design journals have been very clear about what those reasons are. If you disagree, that's great! I'd love to hear about it.
- CoE is more than just a Sandbox game. It aims to be a sandbox filled with an environment pre-create for those less imaginative. Also, the shapes in the sand are always shifting to keep it exciting. Can you go in and shape your own stuff in the sand? Sure! Can you just destroy everything that's already there? Yes! Why? Because the problem with Sandboxes a swell as Themepark games is the same. There's nothing happening to invite me back into the game. No world events, no evolving story.
- I don't think it'll necessarily turn players into raid bosses. But it has the potential to achieve what raid bosses achieve. A common enemy - or ally.
- Choice. Murder is possible in our world, but most people don't. Most will choose not to Murder in CoE. But those who have a specific reason to do so - can. And when they do, it'll almost always impact the story in some way.
- Come clean on how the skill system works? I thought our design journal on it was pretty straight-forward. What are the two different ways we've said it works? What do you perceive as being contradictory?
As an aside, you don't like Chronicles of Elyria. It's not your thing. That's cool. It doesn't bother us. But it's going to get made regardless. We're passionate about all the amazing stories and memories that will come from CoE, and are really looking forward to sharing the world with everyone.Owner/CEO of Soulbound Studios
ChroniclesOfElyria.com
I've played a lot of MMOs and they were of varying quality and entertainment value, how good will this one do? Well I hope it does well, but only time will tell if it clicks with people enough to "keep the lights on" it's certainly one to keep my eyes on for the time being and I like the attitude of the people posting, they don't act superior, they act confident but not superior and again as I said before at least look willing to hear others views though i think some of that post was to kind of corner the OP into telling them whats wrong so they can stop them from going on and on in a "negative light" about the game or inform them of the information they may have missed/misunderstood.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
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Also you say here this game will get made, but before you told me I'm going to hurt crowd funding across the board and cost hundreds of people their jobs if I persist in mocking crowd funding games, relating specifically to your game. So if you're so confident in what you're doing here, I don't see why you'd need to address my hype rating on your game at all. A lot of very conflicting things.
And for the record, that didn't quite sit right with me the more I thought about it. Not because I'm personally offended, I actually thought it was cute/funny at first. But really what you're doing is further polarizing the fan boy/hater dynamic. Your statements have more impact than mine on this particular board because you are the one responsible for making this game. It is also irresponsible of you to cite a specific user who is not keen on what you promise in your game, dragging it into an unrelated debate, and basically telling everyone that they shouldn't say negative things about your game because it might hit you in the pocketbook.
Not to mention that could be considered ratings manipulation (trying to convince me/others to not leave negative feedback because it will affect your finances) so I would be very careful when crossing that line.
The business model for developing games is changing. Where it used to be driven by publishers and marketeers, it's now driven by crowd-funding and hype. That changes the community's role in the development of video games. It gives more power to the players and makes them a partner, willing or otherwise, in the development process. But with great power comes great responsibility.
Spreading positive hype encourages investors and others to back a game. Saying nothing allows them to form their own opinions. Going around spreading bile or telling people not to support a game is more than just thoughtless, it's damaging to a company.
That was the main point of that post - to remind people that a game company is that - a company of people. While many on this forum like to think about games being owned/operated by massive, faceless publishers, many of the innovative games in development now are ran by small teams of passionate people. Nobody should forget that.
The other thing I wanted to point out is that the post you're referring to wasn't about my game. It was about all games. I wrote: "Every time you post on a forum about a game that's crowdfunding, you're talking directly to their investors. " It was written that way to remind people that all indy/crowd-funded games work this way.
Owner/CEO of Soulbound Studios
ChroniclesOfElyria.com
I'm not sure how long internet-trolls can get along unharmed - I don't want to say anyone is a troll here but you should think about your actions, as you would do when you're out on the streets.
You are basically saying,you can't make a thread unless you change your opinion and that is just wrong.
If you have a child and love your child to death and brag about it all the time,are you suppose to change that opinion?
I personally don't care what opinion anyone has,i will state mine as i always do,we just accept each others opinions.Some do get a little smart ass with me,but i can't control their immaturity so whatever,it's pretty simple in discussion forums,discuss the game and try to be happy about doing so.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
The problem is opinion is automatically lumped into "troll" if that opinion is one of dislike.
I'll give you a very poignant example of what makes my scratch my head at just what Jeromy wants.
Jeromy says FFA PvP is totally possible, but the negative effects are quite severe.
Jeromy says about gold farmers
"Also, CoE is different than most MMOs because there is no mail system. People have to physically take money and give it to another person. I don't know about you, but if I discovered certain characters were gold farmers, I'd probably become a highwayman and repeatedly steal from them... just sayin'. ;-) They'd be forced to pay for bodyguards, etc... and would very quickly end up using all their farmed gold to protect the gold."
As to this game and it's future,it looks really good on paper,how the class structure is actually implemented and weather it works we won't know for quite some time.
As i said before,would we just rather yet another Wow clone and just instancing 24/7?
Two high priorities on my list are a game that tries to bring the players together "MMO" and tries to bring them together for GOOD not to pit them against each other in pvp.
The other thing i look for is a really good class system and no i don't care if one class seems ALPHA over the rest,i have already played that in FFXI and it works fine.You just need to stay away from pvp because that requires balance and balance is not good for PVE.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.