"*16-04-13 update1: This has now been confirmed to me by sources.
Also, in consultations with my attorneys, I can now add the commentary previously not included when this blog first went live.
I can now reveal that on a date certain in May, my attorneys and I will – again – walk into a Federal building.
Further to my comments above regarding how to follow and account for backer money, one thing that sticks out in all the research material I have, is the allegation that when Simon Elms (see the aforementioned Gizmondo debacle) was called back to join the fold, he, Derek Senior, and Erin Roberts (brother of Chris Roberts) – all execs in the UK – were allegedly “bought out” by CIG. While I see no evidence of this in the short-form financial filings (as they are public) of the UK companies, if this did in fact take place as alleged, then it was probably done on the US or German CIG side of those companies (see why we started tracking all these companies?) where the details are not accessible by the public, as they would be in the UK. Why is this relevant? If true, and even if found to be legal, it would still be a blatant violation of trust as per the transfer of liquid cash assets, the bulk (again, assuming that the $112M does not include other non crowd-funded investment) of which was raised with the sole purpose of creating this crowd-funded project."
You can go read the rest. Find this very interesting and if true why wasn't the backers informed? You really can't make this stuff up on how CR runs these companies.
The only thing I really find sad is that people who support DS do not see the pattern that he repeats over and over and over. When I follow the links in his blog they do not lead to evidence or sources. There never is any hard evidence but only rumors/hearsay and things that fit his narrative.
I again want to clarify that I am not happy with everything CR says and have my own worries but I will never ever in my life let my opinion be decisively dictated by others but do reasearch on both sides. Of course I am not imune to influence.
DS is a loudmouth. Maybe he has NPD and it would be the best if people just ignore him. Sadly he always finds some tools/fools who preach his work and keep him alive.
It's so funny... Pro SC people are called cult but the people who say that behave exactly like a cult and repeat things they have heard instead of doing research. They just believe what was told them.
Oh man... I did not want to write so much about it again and therefor just stop now.
Do not be a tool, be a reflecting person and try to see things from another POV.
The only thing I really find sad is that people who support DS do not see the pattern that he repeats over and over and over. When I follow the links in his blog they do not lead to evidence or sources. There never is any hard evidence but only rumors/hearsay and things that fit his narrative.
I again want to clarify that I am not happy with everything CR says and have my own worries but I will never ever in my life let my opinion be decisively dictated by others but do reasearch on both sides. Of course I am not imune to influence.
DS is a loudmouth. Maybe he has NPD and it would be the best if people just ignore him. Sadly he always finds some tools/fools who preach his work and keep him alive.
It's so funny... Pro SC people are called cult but the people who say that behave exactly like a cult and repeat things they have heard instead of doing research. They just believe what was told them.
Oh man... I did not want to write so much about it again and therefor just stop now.
Do not be a tool, be a reflecting person and try to see things from another POV.
Over and out
I find it even funnier not to be a tool for DS yet you guys are a tool for CR. Yet DS does do one thing CR and CIG does, he lays it all out there. CR hides just about everything when it comes to why the product he promised isn't even 20% done yet and how much money he has left. You all can say he doesn't need to open his books and I agree yet to every backer he should have been doing it all along.
The only thing I really find sad is that people who support DS do not see the pattern that he repeats over and over and over. When I follow the links in his blog they do not lead to evidence or sources. There never is any hard evidence but only rumors/hearsay and things that fit his narrative.
I again want to clarify that I am not happy with everything CR says and have my own worries but I will never ever in my life let my opinion be decisively dictated by others but do reasearch on both sides. Of course I am not imune to influence.
DS is a loudmouth. Maybe he has NPD and it would be the best if people just ignore him. Sadly he always finds some tools/fools who preach his work and keep him alive.
It's so funny... Pro SC people are called cult but the people who say that behave exactly like a cult and repeat things they have heard instead of doing research. They just believe what was told them.
Oh man... I did not want to write so much about it again and therefor just stop now.
Do not be a tool, be a reflecting person and try to see things from another POV.
Over and out
I find it even funnier not to be a tool for DS yet you guys are a tool for CR. Yet DS does do one thing CR and CIG does, he lays it all out there. CR hides just about everything when it comes to why the product he promised isn't even 20% done yet and how much money he has left. You all can say he doesn't need to open his books and I agree yet to every backer he should have been doing it all along.
Read again what I wrote... read it again slowly.
With your definition of tool everyone is a tool who supports someone... even if supporter is critical and does proper reasearch. Hmmkay...
Brenics... you see what you want to see. That's up to you. That's ok for me. Everyone life's in his own reality which is created by what you observe and see. But some life in an echo chamber.
Yes in your world CR is a liar and never honest and hides whatever and DS never lied ever. This alone shows how limited and biased your perception is. That is no insult... that is psychology.
The only thing I really find sad is that people who support DS do not see the pattern that he repeats over and over and over. When I follow the links in his blog they do not lead to evidence or sources. There never is any hard evidence but only rumors/hearsay and things that fit his narrative.
I again want to clarify that I am not happy with everything CR says and have my own worries but I will never ever in my life let my opinion be decisively dictated by others but do reasearch on both sides. Of course I am not imune to influence.
DS is a loudmouth. Maybe he has NPD and it would be the best if people just ignore him. Sadly he always finds some tools/fools who preach his work and keep him alive.
It's so funny... Pro SC people are called cult but the people who say that behave exactly like a cult and repeat things they have heard instead of doing research. They just believe what was told them.
Oh man... I did not want to write so much about it again and therefor just stop now.
Do not be a tool, be a reflecting person and try to see things from another POV.
Over and out
I find it even funnier not to be a tool for DS yet you guys are a tool for CR. Yet DS does do one thing CR and CIG does, he lays it all out there. CR hides just about everything when it comes to why the product he promised isn't even 20% done yet and how much money he has left. You all can say he doesn't need to open his books and I agree yet to every backer he should have been doing it all along.
Read again what I wrote... read it again slowly.
With your definition of tool everyone is a tool who supports someone... even if supporter is critical and does proper reasearch. Hmmkay...
Brenics... you see what you want to see. That's up to you. That's ok for me. Everyone life's in his own reality which is created by what you observe and see. But some life in an echo chamber.
Yes in your world CR is a liar and never honest and hides whatever and DS never lied ever. This alone shows how limited and biased your perception is. That is no insult... that is psychology.
Everyone lies, but yet you can tell when CR lies, which is almost every time he opens his mouth. The funny part is you refuse to see the facts. I can't believe you can't see you will never get any game CR says he is making will never come to light and SQ42 will never be what he sold you guys.
The only thing I really find sad is that people who support DS do not see the pattern that he repeats over and over and over. When I follow the links in his blog they do not lead to evidence or sources. There never is any hard evidence but only rumors/hearsay and things that fit his narrative.
I again want to clarify that I am not happy with everything CR says and have my own worries but I will never ever in my life let my opinion be decisively dictated by others but do reasearch on both sides. Of course I am not imune to influence.
DS is a loudmouth. Maybe he has NPD and it would be the best if people just ignore him. Sadly he always finds some tools/fools who preach his work and keep him alive.
It's so funny... Pro SC people are called cult but the people who say that behave exactly like a cult and repeat things they have heard instead of doing research. They just believe what was told them.
Oh man... I did not want to write so much about it again and therefor just stop now.
Do not be a tool, be a reflecting person and try to see things from another POV.
Over and out
I find it even funnier not to be a tool for DS yet you guys are a tool for CR. Yet DS does do one thing CR and CIG does, he lays it all out there. CR hides just about everything when it comes to why the product he promised isn't even 20% done yet and how much money he has left. You all can say he doesn't need to open his books and I agree yet to every backer he should have been doing it all along.
Read again what I wrote... read it again slowly.
With your definition of tool everyone is a tool who supports someone... even if supporter is critical and does proper reasearch. Hmmkay...
Brenics... you see what you want to see. That's up to you. That's ok for me. Everyone life's in his own reality which is created by what you observe and see. But some life in an echo chamber.
Yes in your world CR is a liar and never honest and hides whatever and DS never lied ever. This alone shows how limited and biased your perception is. That is no insult... that is psychology.
Everyone lies, but yet you can tell when CR lies, which is almost every time he opens his mouth. The funny part is you refuse to see the facts. I can't believe you can't see you will never get any game CR says he is making will never come to light and SQ42 will never be what he sold you guys.
IF we had the "facts" to look at there would be no argument, it's the lack of "facts" that creates this ongoing circular process..
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Maybe you need to check your knowledge of human nature. Because saying that he always/almost every time is just wrong and shows lack of an open mind and reading body language which shows your passion for DS.
What FACTS are you talking about?
I could tell you the same... I can't believe you can't see you will get eventually a game CR says he is making will see the day of light and SQ42 will be what he sold us.
I know I can't change your mindset... and I do not need to. That's up to yourself as it is with everyone else.
One last thing. You are hardcore anti SC... I am a supporter but nowhere near a hardcore pro SC. I admitted having my own worries but it is not enough for you. You try to hard to convince me that you are right. Discussion never end well with that kind of talk tactics. And it's worse when you are wrong like this:
Maybe you need to check your knowledge of human nature. Because saying that he always/almost every time is just wrong and shows lack of an open mind and reading body language which shows your passion for DS.
What FACTS are you talking about?
I could tell you the same... I can't believe you can't see you will get eventually a game CR says he is making will see the day of light and SQ42 will be what he sold us.
I know I can't change your mindset... and I do not need to. That's up to yourself as it is with everyone else.
One last thing. You are hardcore anti SC... I am a supporter but nowhere near a hardcore pro SC. I admitted having my own worries but it is not enough for you. You try to hard to convince me that you are right. Discussion never end well with that kind of talk tactics. And it's worse when you are wrong like this:
That link about sums up my feelings about the posters who are anti SC who state 'facts' just like the Donkey lol
That's why he defends DS so hard... they both have a similar mindset and share the same argumentation circle amongst other things. People surround themselves with people who share similar character traits.
What most DS fans do not get is that DS is a con artist. If they would do proper research they would know. Quest Online was his "masterpiece".
I understand both...DS and his supporters and why they think like that due to my empathy but I therefor also understand what's wrong with them. But I can't and will not want to change their mind because it does not work on the Internet.
What all the pro white knight guys should consider is that without a persistent universe there cannot by definition be an economy because nothing lasts. The only economy this game will have (until probably 2020 now) is a real world cash for in game pixels one.
How can there possibly be an in game economy when there is not a game nor is there even a server that is backing anything up thatthey might even try to put into this whatever they want to call it.
What all the pro white knight guys should consider is that without a persistent universe there cannot by definition be an economy because nothing lasts. The only economy this game will have (until probably 2020 now) is a real world cash for in game pixels one.
How can there possibly be an in game economy when there is not a game nor is there even a server that is backing anything up thatthey might even try to put into this whatever they want to call it.
You have not forgotten that the OP - who is not exactly a "pro white knight guy" - is the one that asks if the SC economy is already "live", or have you ?
And it is another not-exactly-"pro white knight guy" that proclaims it to be already "live".
While many posters here - including me - argue that AT THE MOMENT the economy is not yet "live".
First elements of persistency are planned to be added with the next patch (Alpha 2.4), which should include server backed up purchases made with Alpha-UEC currency (a temporary in game currency to be used in the Alpha tests).
Maybe you need to check your knowledge of human nature. Because saying that he always/almost every time is just wrong and shows lack of an open mind and reading body language which shows your passion for DS.
What FACTS are you talking about?
I could tell you the same... I can't believe you can't see you will get eventually a game CR says he is making will see the day of light and SQ42 will be what he sold us.
I know I can't change your mindset... and I do not need to. That's up to yourself as it is with everyone else.
One last thing. You are hardcore anti SC... I am a supporter but nowhere near a hardcore pro SC. I admitted having my own worries but it is not enough for you. You try to hard to convince me that you are right. Discussion never end well with that kind of talk tactics. And it's worse when you are wrong like this:
So the Donkey is pretty much the perfect representation of the SC fanbois?
Well I hope you guys (whiteknights) will do me a favor. DS is now willing to buy anybody's ships that want out and refused a refund. But to let CR know they would rather have their refund. But bottomline DS is now open to buy ships.
I spoke about people that believe that the zeroes and ones on a central game server belong to them.
And then they found out - nope, it never belonged to them in the first place.
And that they cannot sell something they never owned.
Some choice TOS violation options:
>>Sell or offer for sale, communicate to the public or otherwise
distribute the Game to any third party, or to transfer the Game other
than through means permitted by RSI >>>
>>>>Interfere with the ability of others to enjoy playing a RSI Service or take actions that interfere with or materially increase the cost to provide a RSI Service for the enjoyment of all its users.
>>>>
>>>Post any messages to, or otherwise attempt via any of the RSI
Services (or otherwise) to trade or sell physical or digital
merchandize, such as ships, “insurance benefits,” Game credits or other
accrued Game benefits offered by RSI.
>>>
I am no legal expert but all of those seem to apply to me.
I spoke about people that believe that the zeroes and ones on a central game server belong to them.
And then they found out - nope, it never belonged to them in the first place.
And that they cannot sell something they never owned.
Some choice TOS violation options:
>>Sell or offer for sale, communicate to the public or otherwise
distribute the Game to any third party, or to transfer the Game other
than through means permitted by RSI >>>
>>>>Interfere with the ability of others to enjoy playing a RSI Service or take actions that interfere with or materially increase the cost to provide a RSI Service for the enjoyment of all its users.
>>>>
>>>Post any messages to, or otherwise attempt via any of the RSI
Services (or otherwise) to trade or sell physical or digital
merchandize, such as ships, “insurance benefits,” Game credits or other
accrued Game benefits offered by RSI.
>>>
I am no legal expert but all of those seem to apply to me.
Have fun
Smart is offering to buy, not sell. Every one of those is only referring to the seller.
I am no legal expert either, but the end result appears to be that Smart would still be banned and now people who sold the zeroes and ones because they wanted out and couldn't get a refund would be banned as well.
I am also no PR expert, but that doesn't seem like a winning formula moving forward to me
CIG extended that refund period on a voluntary basis to almost 3 years. And then declared that it no longer offers those voluntary refunds a few months ago.
If people complain after waiting up to 3 years for a service the company does not have to offer in the first place ..... c'est la vie...
Shifting from a pseudo legal stance to a "we didn't want you anyways" is pretty disingenuous. I guess it's a fair tactic, given the subject, though.
Given the timing of the whole voluntary refund ordeal it had more an air of ridding themselves of a growing din of dissenting voices than any sense of kindness, but that's just my observation. Particularly when the reasoning to stop offering them was the declaration that they have now met their base obligations in providing what they stated they would. There's more on that subject, but it would again just be observations.
Timelines and deadlines and what services the company offers are probably not a great bolster to your argument either seeing as had CIG met even a couple of those on their end the whole refund and charge back scenario probably would have never reared its head in the first place.
And still, from a PR standpoint, DS is painting them into a corner. I doubt he's offering to buy up all these pictures of ships to hoard for his own enjoyment in game. If people sell ships to him to get out then he gets points and CIG loses them. If those people end up banned then do you go back on your TOS later if they decide to get back in when/if it ever releases? Do you keep them banned and risk losing them and anyone who would want to join with them? What's the end game for CIG?
There's not some endless pool of people who have never heard of the game and would be overly interested. There's not very many people who are even on the fence any longer. CR himself stated there was a finite, and fairly short, window of opportunity on releasing this game. He also said he would be able to deliver within it. That window is closing. Time isn't on his side any longer. Other games are releasing, re-releasing, and adding to their feature list. There are disjointed bits and pieces of a game here, but the hard parts are still nowhere to be seen, being reworked again and again, or dropped completely. Every major accomplishment that has been touted is not about the game. Offices opened, money raised, actors hired, mocap studio work. Well, there was a lot of touting about Star Marine I guess...
I wanted this game very badly. I think the argument that devs can do amazing things without a publisher squashing them is valid. I just thought that CR would probably be at the very bottom of the list of devs who could do it. I had hope, but not faith, that he could pull off Freelancer this go round. I'll have the money if this thing ever goes anywhere, but one sign of possible illness is floating turds and this thing looks more and more like it is barely afloat and drifting right now.
>>>Post any messages to, or otherwise attempt via any of the RSI
Services (or otherwise) to trade or sell physical or digital
merchandize, such as ships, “insurance benefits,” Game credits or other
accrued Game benefits offered by RSI.
>>>
I am no legal expert but all of those seem to apply to me.
Have fun
Have they started cracking down on the grey market and also punished all the people who would regift a ship through their account so it would have LTI on it, effectively selling LTI to other users?
>>> And still, from a PR standpoint, DS is painting them into a corner. >>> Not seeing that. The international gaming press reports IMHO favorably on Star Citizen - with the caveat that it takes longer than people hoped. Most do not even MENTION TheSmarty these days. Even that he pulled his own game off Steam was almost ignored by the majority of the gaming press (because almost no one cares anyway).
Have patience w.r.t. Star Citizen. I also wanted (and still want) this game. Personally i prefer that the product matches the vision ... and i think that means "its done when its done". I do not want a mediocre game come out because an arbitrary delivery date is demanded by a tiny group of players.
CIG extended that refund period on a voluntary basis to almost 3 years. And then declared that it no longer offers those voluntary refunds a few months ago.
If people complain after waiting up to 3 years for a service the company does not have to offer in the first place ..... c'est la vie...
Have fun
If you think the company doesn't have to offer a refund then have fun with that. They have yet to deliver a product so therefore anyone can ask for their money back because CIG hasn't delivered on their end of the bargain. They can argue they don't have to give you a refund until they are blue in the face but when push comes to shove, they will lose.
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ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
https://t.co/tVEab3x0aC
"*16-04-13 update1: This has now been confirmed to me by sources.
Also, in consultations with my attorneys, I can now add the commentary previously not included when this blog first went live.
I can now reveal that on a date certain in May, my attorneys and I will – again – walk into a Federal building.
Further to my comments above regarding how to follow and account for backer money, one thing that sticks out in all the research material I have, is the allegation that when Simon Elms (see the aforementioned Gizmondo debacle) was called back to join the fold, he, Derek Senior, and Erin Roberts (brother of Chris Roberts) – all execs in the UK – were allegedly “bought out” by CIG. While I see no evidence of this in the short-form financial filings (as they are public) of the UK companies, if this did in fact take place as alleged, then it was probably done on the US or German CIG side of those companies (see why we started tracking all these companies?) where the details are not accessible by the public, as they would be in the UK. Why is this relevant? If true, and even if found to be legal, it would still be a blatant violation of trust as per the transfer of liquid cash assets, the bulk (again, assuming that the $112M does not include other non crowd-funded investment) of which was raised with the sole purpose of creating this crowd-funded project."
You can go read the rest. Find this very interesting and if true why wasn't the backers informed? You really can't make this stuff up on how CR runs these companies.
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
Have fun
I again want to clarify that I am not happy with everything CR says and have my own worries but I will never ever in my life let my opinion be decisively dictated by others but do reasearch on both sides. Of course I am not imune to influence.
DS is a loudmouth. Maybe he has NPD and it would be the best if people just ignore him. Sadly he always finds some tools/fools who preach his work and keep him alive.
It's so funny... Pro SC people are called cult but the people who say that behave exactly like a cult and repeat things they have heard instead of doing research. They just believe what was told them.
Oh man... I did not want to write so much about it again and therefor just stop now.
Do not be a tool, be a reflecting person and try to see things from another POV.
Over and out
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
With your definition of tool everyone is a tool who supports someone... even if supporter is critical and does proper reasearch. Hmmkay...
Brenics... you see what you want to see. That's up to you. That's ok for me. Everyone life's in his own reality which is created by what you observe and see. But some life in an echo chamber.
Yes in your world CR is a liar and never honest and hides whatever and DS never lied ever. This alone shows how limited and biased your perception is. That is no insult... that is psychology.
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
I could care less HOW he makes the game as long as he makes it.
If the game doesn't come out THEN I will have an issue.
But until then I will get on with life....and I suggest everyone getting all worked up does the same.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Maybe you need to check your knowledge of human nature. Because saying that he always/almost every time is just wrong and shows lack of an open mind and reading body language which shows your passion for DS.
What FACTS are you talking about?
I could tell you the same... I can't believe you can't see you will get eventually a game CR says he is making will see the day of light and SQ42 will be what he sold us.
I know I can't change your mindset... and I do not need to. That's up to yourself as it is with everyone else.
One last thing. You are hardcore anti SC... I am a supporter but nowhere near a hardcore pro SC. I admitted having my own worries but it is not enough for you. You try to hard to convince me that you are right. Discussion never end well with that kind of talk tactics. And it's worse when you are wrong like this:
What most DS fans do not get is that DS is a con artist. If they would do proper research they would know. Quest Online was his "masterpiece".
I understand both...DS and his supporters and why they think like that due to my empathy but I therefor also understand what's wrong with them. But I can't and will not want to change their mind because it does not work on the Internet.
How can there possibly be an in game economy when there is not a game nor is there even a server that is backing anything up thatthey might even try to put into this whatever they want to call it.
And it is another not-exactly-"pro white knight guy" that proclaims it to be already "live".
While many posters here - including me - argue that AT THE MOMENT the economy is not yet "live".
First elements of persistency are planned to be added with the next patch (Alpha 2.4), which should include server backed up purchases made with Alpha-UEC currency (a temporary in game currency to be used in the Alpha tests).
Have fun
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
Many years ago i am sure some people thought it would be a brilliant idea to buy and/or sell MMO accounts e.g. via e-bay
When the banhammer struck (TOS violation) and their accounts and digital assets were null and void - they got a rude wake up call.
Have fun
Wait did you just call it an MMO? Thought you said this isn't an MMO? LOL!
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
And then they found out - nope, it never belonged to them in the first place.
And that they cannot sell something they never owned.
Some choice TOS violation options:
>>Sell or offer for sale, communicate to the public or otherwise distribute the Game to any third party, or to transfer the Game other than through means permitted by RSI >>>
>>>>Interfere with the ability of others to enjoy playing a RSI Service or take actions that interfere with or materially increase the cost to provide a RSI Service for the enjoyment of all its users. >>>>
>>>Post any messages to, or otherwise attempt via any of the RSI Services (or otherwise) to trade or sell physical or digital merchandize, such as ships, “insurance benefits,” Game credits or other accrued Game benefits offered by RSI. >>>
I am no legal expert but all of those seem to apply to me.
Have fun
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
I am no legal expert either, but the end result appears to be that Smart would still be banned and now people who sold the zeroes and ones because they wanted out and couldn't get a refund would be banned as well.
I am also no PR expert, but that doesn't seem like a winning formula moving forward to me
CIG extended that refund period on a voluntary basis to almost 3 years. And then declared that it no longer offers those voluntary refunds a few months ago.
If people complain after waiting up to 3 years for a service the company does not have to offer in the first place ..... c'est la vie...
Have fun
Given the timing of the whole voluntary refund ordeal it had more an air of ridding themselves of a growing din of dissenting voices than any sense of kindness, but that's just my observation. Particularly when the reasoning to stop offering them was the declaration that they have now met their base obligations in providing what they stated they would. There's more on that subject, but it would again just be observations.
Timelines and deadlines and what services the company offers are probably not a great bolster to your argument either seeing as had CIG met even a couple of those on their end the whole refund and charge back scenario probably would have never reared its head in the first place.
And still, from a PR standpoint, DS is painting them into a corner. I doubt he's offering to buy up all these pictures of ships to hoard for his own enjoyment in game. If people sell ships to him to get out then he gets points and CIG loses them. If those people end up banned then do you go back on your TOS later if they decide to get back in when/if it ever releases? Do you keep them banned and risk losing them and anyone who would want to join with them? What's the end game for CIG?
There's not some endless pool of people who have never heard of the game and would be overly interested. There's not very many people who are even on the fence any longer. CR himself stated there was a finite, and fairly short, window of opportunity on releasing this game. He also said he would be able to deliver within it. That window is closing. Time isn't on his side any longer. Other games are releasing, re-releasing, and adding to their feature list. There are disjointed bits and pieces of a game here, but the hard parts are still nowhere to be seen, being reworked again and again, or dropped completely. Every major accomplishment that has been touted is not about the game. Offices opened, money raised, actors hired, mocap studio work. Well, there was a lot of touting about Star Marine I guess...
I wanted this game very badly. I think the argument that devs can do amazing things without a publisher squashing them is valid. I just thought that CR would probably be at the very bottom of the list of devs who could do it. I had hope, but not faith, that he could pull off Freelancer this go round. I'll have the money if this thing ever goes anywhere, but one sign of possible illness is floating turds and this thing looks more and more like it is barely afloat and drifting right now.
Just deliver, because I want to...
Have fun.
>>> And still, from a PR standpoint, DS is painting them into a corner. >>>
Not seeing that. The international gaming press reports IMHO favorably on Star Citizen - with the caveat that it takes longer than people hoped. Most do not even MENTION TheSmarty these days. Even that he pulled his own game off Steam was almost ignored by the majority of the gaming press (because almost no one cares anyway).
Have patience w.r.t. Star Citizen. I also wanted (and still want) this game. Personally i prefer that the product matches the vision ... and i think that means "its done when its done". I do not want a mediocre game come out because an arbitrary delivery date is demanded by a tiny group of players.
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