Have they started cracking down on the grey market and also punished all the people who would regift a ship through their account so it would have LTI on it, effectively selling LTI to other users?
And still, from a PR standpoint, DS is painting them into a corner.
DS's charades paint none bar himself. Which is exactly what he craves for.
The fact that along the way he is loosing whatever shards of credibility he has left doesn't seem to bother him. Something which tells us a lot about the man.
Speaking of the grey market. What happens with these concept ships, is there any limitation on them? Supposing you bought a MISC Prospector for $175 and it increases by $50 at each design stage for a final price of $275, you could stand to make a very tidy profit on it.
It seems odd that they would give people such easy means to cash in on their work.
Speaking of the grey market. What happens with these concept ships, is there any limitation on them? Supposing you bought a MISC Prospector for $175 and it increases by $50 at each design stage for a final price of $275, you could stand to make a very tidy profit on it.
It seems odd that they would give people such easy means to cash in on their work.
A number of people do this. They have a list of ships which are anticipated to increase in value over time and people buy several of them at once. Then, ones that aren't being requested today, they just keep until this foreseen time they believe these ships will all have huge value when the game releases and it's amazing.
To clarify, I don't think DS is winning any PR war so much as he's making the PR that much more difficult for CIG.
If he buys out people's ships then that is x amount of people who no longer have any vested interest in the game. Any interest that remains within them is likely to be negative. His army of followers grows. Best case scenario is that his scenarios get a little more fuel and more personal anecdote sources. If he really has the money he says he does and if he really just wants to watch the world (universe) burn then the monetary cost is extremely small in relation to the potential impact. CIG would only further compound that by banning the sellers who are still potential future customers. As far as PR ventures go it is a low risk high reward endeavor for DS.
I still have my money in my pocket based solely on CRs history. I'm not in DSs corner based solely on his his history. As far as games they've been involved in, CR. As far as games they've actually led all the way to release, regardless of the thoughts on said game or release, DS. In a parallel universe, I think they'd probably actually make a good team in many ways.
DS isn't the only one who has shards of credibility on the line here. Unless CIG pulls a rabbit out of their hat what started out as a few guys with pitchforks and torches is slowly turning into Malta circa 1565 and I see no Valette in Chris or Erin.
A number of people do this. They have a list of ships which are anticipated to increase in value over time and people buy several of them at once. Then, ones that aren't being requested today, they just keep until this foreseen time they believe these ships will all have huge value when the game releases and it's amazing.
Until CIG comes along and re-offers those ships at the basic price for an anniversary or X-mas sale.
I think I can still hear the wailing and teeth gnashing of those profiteers that tried to sell pledge packages at +100 % inflated prices.
A number of people do this. They have a list of ships which are anticipated to increase in value over time and people buy several of them at once. Then, ones that aren't being requested today, they just keep until this foreseen time they believe these ships will all have huge value when the game releases and it's amazing.
Until CIG comes along and re-offers those ships at the basic price for an anniversary or X-mas sale.
I think I can still hear the wailing and teeth gnashing of those profiteers that tried to sell pledge packages at +100 % inflated prices.
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But it's different in this case. If you buy the concept ship at $175 and then the price increases you stand to gain no matter what happens, unless there is zero demand for the ship. CIG won't increase prices at hangar+flight stage and then reduce it to concept stage for an anniversary sale.
CIG won't increase prices at hangar+flight stage and then reduce it to concept stage for an anniversary sale.
Nice theory ... but they HAVE done it ;-)
What was is called .... the fighter package, the explorer package, the freighter package etc. ?
Where the individual ships were significantly cheaper than usual ....
Alas ... those were only temporary offers ....
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By how much though? Take the Starfarer which will see a $200 increase by the time it's flight ready, are you talking about that much discount on a single ship?
I can understand a reasonable reduction on packages containing multiple ships, but what do these fighter/explorer or freighter packages contain anyway? If we're talking 5 ships in a package and $50 saved then it doesn't really compare to the point I was trying to make.
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I wonder if TheSmarty really understands that part when he offered to buy other accounts. I wonder if those that sell him accounts have understood that part ... but HEY ... if he offers money and no strings attached .... better him than them .....
By how much though? Take the Starfarer which will see a $200 increase by the time it's flight ready, are you talking about that much discount on a single ship?
I can understand a reasonable reduction on packages containing multiple ships, but what do these fighter/explorer or freighter packages contain anyway? If we're talking 5 ships in a package and $50 saved then it doesn't really compare to the point I was trying to make.
I remember a package with approx. a half dozen ships ... one capital class and several fighter class .... and it cost as much as the old capital class ship pledge alone (and the fighter class ships were basically for free - bonus in that package). Sometime last year - November i think.
DS buys loads of ships and realises that not only is he breaching the terms of the TOS but he is also advising otehrs to breach the terms of the TOS and legally screws both himself and anyone stupid enough to rabidly listen to him?
Not for temporary offers that have no permanent webpages to link. At least none that i found on the fly using a smartphone ;-) Have fun
Perhaps there's something on reddit or archive.is then?
Regardless, it's not a good comaprison. Handing over $175 is doable for a lot of people if they wanted to cash in this way. Handing over $2500+ for capital ships is a completely different ballgame.
DS buys loads of ships and realises that not only is he breaching the terms of the TOS but he is also advising otehrs to breach the terms of the TOS and legally screws both himself and anyone stupid enough to rabidly listen to him?
Is buying ships actually breaking the TOS?
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it. The cake is a lie.
DS buys loads of ships and realises that not only is he breaching the terms of the TOS but he is also advising otehrs to breach the terms of the TOS and legally screws both himself and anyone stupid enough to rabidly listen to him?
Is buying ships actually breaking the TOS?
CIG is aware of the grey market and complicit in its existence. They've honored and processed a large number of ship trades. Evidence is the fact it began being counterproductive when said trades happened immediately preceding a chargeback. This has been no secret to them, hence the limitation of melt tokens.
It's difficult to argue one's involvement isn't vested when there are modifications being made to the process.
CIG leans on these ship sales, knowing people buy to resell them later. This is an environment, a set of circumstances, perpetuated in the favor of the company's current income. Is CIG going to tell all these people, "nope, we're putting our foot down, there will be no more honoring of 3rd party trade transactions"?
Do you realize the number of completely not right people who would lose their shit.
DS buys loads of ships and realises that not only is he breaching the terms of the TOS but he is also advising otehrs to breach the terms of the TOS and legally screws both himself and anyone stupid enough to rabidly listen to him?
Is buying ships actually breaking the TOS?
Well if the TOS that Erillion posted is accurate then yes because DS has already been refused the service.
Specifically this aprt: -
You may not allow individuals whose Accounts have been terminated by RSI to use your Account.
DS buys loads of ships and realises that not only is he breaching the terms of the TOS but he is also advising otehrs to breach the terms of the TOS and legally screws both himself and anyone stupid enough to rabidly listen to him?
Is buying ships actually breaking the TOS?
Well if the TOS that Erillion posted is accurate then yes because DS has already been refused the service.
Specifically this aprt: -
You may not allow individuals whose Accounts have been terminated by RSI to use your Account.
I can see a problem here, though CIG can not refuse the service in general to an individual the saying it's their house they can throw you out is not applicable. As soon as you are a public company with a product that is avaiable to the public they have to let everyone in.
If someone act inappropriate they can deny the service for the persons account to protect the service and software (Hacking, Cheating, backengineering etc) or the users (spamming, flaming, goldselling, etc).
They also can say that the license of using in game assets (FKA ship buying) may not be sold outside of the service but with a mechanic like "gifting ships" there is almost no chance to track this back.
AFAIK DS didn't break the TOS in the first place (from what I heard). He was thrown out cause of his blog, that's where the war began.
Most parts of a TOS/EULA are just to scare the users to enforce stuff that wouldn't hold a second in any court. With ingame stuff and a cloud server structure this is more complicated because you are always under the laws of the country where the server is physically located.
My best guess is that DS found a way to enforce refunds
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it. The cake is a lie.
I can see a problem here, though CIG can not refuse the service in general to an individual the saying it's their house they can throw you out is not applicable. As soon as you are a public company with a product that is avaiable to the public they have to let everyone in.
Tell that to Blizzard when they ban the next 90.000 users from Battle.Net ... without compensation of course.
I can see a problem here, though CIG can not refuse the service in general to an individual the saying it's their house they can throw you out is not applicable. As soon as you are a public company with a product that is avaiable to the public they have to let everyone in.
Tell that to Blizzard when they ban the next 90.000 users from Battle.Net ... without compensation of course.
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They are banning accounts, not individuals.
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it. The cake is a lie.
I can see a problem here, though CIG can not refuse the service in general to an individual the saying it's their house they can throw you out is not applicable. As soon as you are a public company with a product that is avaiable to the public they have to let everyone in.
Tell that to Blizzard when they ban the next 90.000 users from Battle.Net ... without compensation of course.
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Yeah and those people are more then welcome to create new accounts. SC's TOS sounds like once they ban you they never want you coming back even if you buy another package
I can see a problem here, though CIG can not refuse the service in general to an individual the saying it's their house they can throw you out is not applicable. As soon as you are a public company with a product that is avaiable to the public they have to let everyone in.
Tell that to Blizzard when they ban the next 90.000 users from Battle.Net ... without compensation of course.
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They are banning accounts, not individuals.
I fail to see the difference.
Each account is linked to a person, said person is required to use valid info when creating his account. CIG, like Blizzard does, banned DS's account.
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The fact that along the way he is loosing whatever shards of credibility he has left doesn't seem to bother him. Something which tells us a lot about the man.
Supposing you bought a MISC Prospector for $175 and it increases by $50 at each design stage for a final price of $275, you could stand to make a very tidy profit on it.
It seems odd that they would give people such easy means to cash in on their work.
If he buys out people's ships then that is x amount of people who no longer have any vested interest in the game. Any interest that remains within them is likely to be negative. His army of followers grows. Best case scenario is that his scenarios get a little more fuel and more personal anecdote sources. If he really has the money he says he does and if he really just wants to watch the world (universe) burn then the monetary cost is extremely small in relation to the potential impact. CIG would only further compound that by banning the sellers who are still potential future customers. As far as PR ventures go it is a low risk high reward endeavor for DS.
I still have my money in my pocket based solely on CRs history. I'm not in DSs corner based solely on his his history. As far as games they've been involved in, CR. As far as games they've actually led all the way to release, regardless of the thoughts on said game or release, DS. In a parallel universe, I think they'd probably actually make a good team in many ways.
DS isn't the only one who has shards of credibility on the line here. Unless CIG pulls a rabbit out of their hat what started out as a few guys with pitchforks and torches is slowly turning into Malta circa 1565 and I see no Valette in Chris or Erin.
I think I can still hear the wailing and teeth gnashing of those profiteers that tried to sell pledge packages at +100 % inflated prices.
Have fun
And on the other side something from La Mancha ? Cannot decide yet if this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Quixote
or this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Lamancha_goat
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But it's different in this case. If you buy the concept ship at $175 and then the price increases you stand to gain no matter what happens, unless there is zero demand for the ship.
CIG won't increase prices at hangar+flight stage and then reduce it to concept stage for an anniversary sale.
What was is called .... the fighter package, the explorer package, the freighter package etc. ?
Where the individual ships were significantly cheaper than usual ....
Alas ... those were only temporary offers ....
Have fun
By how much though? Take the Starfarer which will see a $200 increase by the time it's flight ready, are you talking about that much discount on a single ship?
I can understand a reasonable reduction on packages containing multiple ships, but what do these fighter/explorer or freighter packages contain anyway? If we're talking 5 ships in a package and $50 saved then it doesn't really compare to the point I was trying to make.
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I wonder if TheSmarty really understands that part when he offered to buy other accounts. I wonder if those that sell him accounts have understood that part ... but HEY ... if he offers money and no strings attached .... better him than them .....
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PS:
Hey look who's blackmarket trading gets deleted ;-)
http://archive.is/4oQfc
https://www.reddit.com/r/Starcitizen_trades/comments/4bmmnq/wtbhuge_and_medium_acc_vb_ob_or_whatever/
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DS buys loads of ships and realises that not only is he breaching the terms of the TOS but he is also advising otehrs to breach the terms of the TOS and legally screws both himself and anyone stupid enough to rabidly listen to him?
Perhaps there's something on reddit or archive.is then?
Regardless, it's not a good comaprison. Handing over $175 is doable for a lot of people if they wanted to cash in this way.
Handing over $2500+ for capital ships is a completely different ballgame.
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it.
The cake is a lie.
It's difficult to argue one's involvement isn't vested when there are modifications being made to the process.
CIG leans on these ship sales, knowing people buy to resell them later. This is an environment, a set of circumstances, perpetuated in the favor of the company's current income. Is CIG going to tell all these people, "nope, we're putting our foot down, there will be no more honoring of 3rd party trade transactions"?
Do you realize the number of completely not right people who would lose their shit.
Specifically this aprt: -
You may not allow individuals whose Accounts have been terminated by RSI to use your Account.
If someone act inappropriate they can deny the service for the persons account to protect the service and software (Hacking, Cheating, backengineering etc) or the users (spamming, flaming, goldselling, etc).
They also can say that the license of using in game assets (FKA ship buying) may not be sold outside of the service but with a mechanic like "gifting ships" there is almost no chance to track this back.
AFAIK DS didn't break the TOS in the first place (from what I heard). He was thrown out cause of his blog, that's where the war began.
Most parts of a TOS/EULA are just to scare the users to enforce stuff that wouldn't hold a second in any court. With ingame stuff and a cloud server structure this is more complicated because you are always under the laws of the country where the server is physically located.
My best guess is that DS found a way to enforce refunds
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it.
The cake is a lie.
Have fun
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it.
The cake is a lie.
Each account is linked to a person, said person is required to use valid info when creating his account. CIG, like Blizzard does, banned DS's account.