"...and then Sony, bent on world domination, bought out all the critical components and ground the competition into dust... "
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My prediction? Oculus VR is the first consumer available product for VR. A bunch of celebrities, politicians and business men with connections called in and jumped the line to be 'first.' Also a bunch of media that normally doesn't look into gaming called at the last minute to get 'review' products. The consumers being commoners must wait until the specials get theirs first.
Crap like this happens all the time. Especially when you're talking about such high demand and limited quantity. It's a status symbol right now.
Not buying their faulty part B.S. The details are very sketchy for a reason. When you are lying to the mass people you want to keep as little information as possible and keep it vague.
Regardless, there's no denying that there's incredibly high interest for the tech.
My prediction? Oculus VR is the first consumer available product for VR. A bunch of celebrities, politicians and business men with connections called in and jumped the line to be 'first.' Also a bunch of media that normally doesn't look into gaming called at the last minute to get 'review' products. The consumers being commoners must wait until the specials get theirs first.
Crap like this happens all the time. Especially when you're talking about such high demand and limited quantity. It's a status symbol right now.
Not buying their faulty part B.S. The details are very sketchy for a reason. When you are lying to the mass people you want to keep as little information as possible and keep it vague.
Regardless, there's no denying that there's incredibly high interest for the tech.
How that all plays out remains to be seen.
does that mean that next years sales numbers will be lower than expected?
and what predictions did you make about VR 9-12 months ago. I would be curious to know
personally my prediction is that in the article I linked Palmer Lucky was not liying
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
'I can’t talk about numbers, but we sold through in 10 minutes what I thought we were going to sell 'through in a few hours.'
That really says it all. Why can't he talk about numbers at this point. The main reason a business doesn't want to talk about numbers is when it will leave them vulnerable to criticism and negative interpretation by analysts.
my position in this thread is that he is likely not liying.
your position seems to be that he likely is and you base this on...nothing
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
'I can’t talk about numbers, but we sold through in 10 minutes what I thought we were going to sell 'through in a few hours.'
That really says it all. Why can't he talk about numbers at this point. The main reason a business doesn't want to talk about numbers is when it will leave them vulnerable to criticism and negative interpretation by analysts.
my position in this thread is that he is likely not liying. your position seems to be that he likely is and you base this on...nothing
Nope, you misread me then. I wouldn't call anyone a liar unless they were and I could prove it.
I'm saying he isn't saying anything of any value. It's all a bunch of marketing obfuscation. He can't/won't talk about numbers. Why? That situation should be scrutinized.
Then he goes on to say nothing that sounds really exciting. He got more orders in 10 minutes than he expected in hours. So how many did he expect in hours... 1, 5, 20, 100? How many of those 10 minute streaks did he have? What was the total projected expectation? What was the total initial demand. If he can't/won't answer that and just talks in "exciting" PR blurbs like "sales in 10 minutes" then he's saying nothing at all.
On top of that they know how many people want (read have paid for) their units, yet they can't deliver and either haven't said anything until now which is shady and reflects on their integrity, or they didn't know which reflects on their competence.
you come very very close to contradicting yourself.
first you say he is not liying but then you saying he (or marketing) is obfuscating and in addition to that you base that conclusion based on zero evidence at all to support it.
are you saying that he is not liying but he is obfuscating?
on your last point the average thinking person would assume that based on passed sales of the Oculus that the 'expected' numbers would be aroun 50,000. Why would we ASSUME that they are 'expecting' less numbers then the rest of us would expect based on passed numbers that come from them!?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
'I can’t talk about numbers, but we sold through in 10 minutes what I thought we were going to sell 'through in a few hours.'
That really says it all. Why can't he talk about numbers at this point. The main reason a business doesn't want to talk about numbers is when it will leave them vulnerable to criticism and negative interpretation by analysts.
my position in this thread is that he is likely not liying. your position seems to be that he likely is and you base this on...nothing
Nope, you misread me then. I wouldn't call anyone a liar unless they were and I could prove it.
I'm saying he isn't saying anything of any value. It's all a bunch of marketing obfuscation. He can't/won't talk about numbers. Why? That situation should be scrutinized.
Then he goes on to say nothing that sounds really exciting. He got more orders in 10 minutes than he expected in hours. So how many did he expect in hours... 1, 5, 20, 100? How many of those 10 minute streaks did he have? What was the total projected expectation? What was the total initial demand. If he can't/won't answer that and just talks in "exciting" PR blurbs like "sales in 10 minutes" then he's saying nothing at all.
On top of that they know how many people want (read have paid for) their units, yet they can't deliver and either haven't said anything until now which is shady and reflects on their integrity, or they didn't know which reflects on their competence.
you come very very close to contradicting yourself.
first you say he is not liying but then you saying he (or marketing) is obfuscating and in addition to that you base that conclusion based on zero evidence at all to support it.
are you saying that he is not liying but he is obfuscating?
on your last point the average thinking person would assume that based on passed sales of the Oculus that the 'expected' numbers would be aroun 50,000. Why would we ASSUME that they are 'expecting' less numbers then the rest of us would expect based on passed numbers that come from them!?
ob·fus·cate
ˈäbfəˌskāt/
verb
gerund or present participle: obfuscating
render obscure, unclear, or unintelligible.
"the spelling changes will deform some familiar words and obfuscate their etymological origins"
"her work became more and more obfuscated by mathematics and jargon"
for the record here is his position
1. Despite Oculus having the numbers of previous sales and knowing just as we do what those numbers are they likely estimated a number far lower than that instead of around those numbers because of reasons....and because of the non-evidence and non-logical reason to that.
2. Palmer Lucky, he is not lying he is obfuscating, again based on non-evidence that doesnt exist or even come close to being implied
maybe...just maybe....he is just telling the truth. I know but maybe....just maybe they did actually sell more than expected and that expected number was something based on past expeirence..maybe
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
"her work became more and more obfuscated by mathematics and jargon"
for the record here is his position
1. Despite Oculus having the numbers of previous sales and knowing just as we do what those numbers are they likely estimated a number far lower than that instead of around those numbers because of reasons....and because of the non-evidence and non-logical reason to that.
2. Palmer Lucky, he is not lying he is obfuscating.
"her work became more and more obfuscated by mathematics and jargon"
for the record here is his position
1. Despite Oculus having the numbers of previous sales and knowing just as we do what those numbers are they likely estimated a number far lower than that instead of around those numbers because of reasons....and because of the non-evidence and non-logical reason to that.
2. Palmer Lucky, he is not lying he is obfuscating.
Palmer Lucky is talking like a politician.
based on zero evidence and zero reasoning.
I am sorry but I am taking the position that he is telling the truth AND that the numbers they were expecting where based on evidence of past sells. I know you guys want to take a different position based on zero evidence to support such a position but lets just stop and wait and see when more numbers come out, shall we?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
"her work became more and more obfuscated by mathematics and jargon"
for the record here is his position
1. Despite Oculus having the numbers of previous sales and knowing just as we do what those numbers are they likely estimated a number far lower than that instead of around those numbers because of reasons....and because of the non-evidence and non-logical reason to that.
2. Palmer Lucky, he is not lying he is obfuscating.
Palmer Lucky is talking like a politician.
based on zero evidence and zero reasoning.
I am sorry but I am taking the position that he is telling the truth AND that the numbers they were expecting where based on evidence of past sells. I know you guys want to take a different position based on zero evidence to support such a position but lets just stop and wait and see when more numbers come out, shall we?
Lol
Lucky Quote:
"I can’t talk about numbers, but we sold through in 10 minutes what I thought we were going to sell 'through in a few hours."
"her work became more and more obfuscated by mathematics and jargon"
for the record here is his position
1. Despite Oculus having the numbers of previous sales and knowing just as we do what those numbers are they likely estimated a number far lower than that instead of around those numbers because of reasons....and because of the non-evidence and non-logical reason to that.
2. Palmer Lucky, he is not lying he is obfuscating.
Palmer Lucky is talking like a politician.
based on zero evidence and zero reasoning.
I am sorry but I am taking the position that he is telling the truth AND that the numbers they were expecting where based on evidence of past sells. I know you guys want to take a different position based on zero evidence to support such a position but lets just stop and wait and see when more numbers come out, shall we?
Lol
Lucky Quote:
"I can’t talk about numbers, but we sold through in 10 minutes what I thought we were going to sell 'through in a few hours."
What numbers?
I am not sure I follow your question.
he cant talk about number NOW..but they can talk about numbers eventually.
usually its an annual thing, quarterly thing, or never thing so I am not sure based on what he said.
forgive me but you are kinda new to this? by that I mean the reporting of a publicly traded company meaning facebook
"her work became more and more obfuscated by mathematics and jargon"
for the record here is his position
1. Despite Oculus having the numbers of previous sales and knowing just as we do what those numbers are they likely estimated a number far lower than that instead of around those numbers because of reasons....and because of the non-evidence and non-logical reason to that.
2. Palmer Lucky, he is not lying he is obfuscating.
Palmer Lucky is talking like a politician.
based on zero evidence and zero reasoning.
I am sorry but I am taking the position that he is telling the truth AND that the numbers they were expecting where based on evidence of past sells. I know you guys want to take a different position based on zero evidence to support such a position but lets just stop and wait and see when more numbers come out, shall we?
Lol
Lucky Quote:
"I can’t talk about numbers, but we sold through in 10 minutes what I thought we were going to sell 'through in a few hours."
What numbers?
I am not sure I follow your question.
he cant talk about number NOW..but they can talk about numbers eventually.
usually its an annual thing, quarterly thing, or never thing so I am not sure based on what he said.
forgive me but you are kinda new to this? by that I mean the reporting of a publicly traded company meaning facebook
You say: Do you think he's lying?
I say: He talks like a politician. As in what he says means shit either way.
"her work became more and more obfuscated by mathematics and jargon"
for the record here is his position
1. Despite Oculus having the numbers of previous sales and knowing just as we do what those numbers are they likely estimated a number far lower than that instead of around those numbers because of reasons....and because of the non-evidence and non-logical reason to that.
2. Palmer Lucky, he is not lying he is obfuscating.
Palmer Lucky is talking like a politician.
based on zero evidence and zero reasoning.
I am sorry but I am taking the position that he is telling the truth AND that the numbers they were expecting where based on evidence of past sells. I know you guys want to take a different position based on zero evidence to support such a position but lets just stop and wait and see when more numbers come out, shall we?
Lol
Lucky Quote:
"I can’t talk about numbers, but we sold through in 10 minutes what I thought we were going to sell 'through in a few hours."
What numbers?
I am not sure I follow your question.
he cant talk about number NOW..but they can talk about numbers eventually.
usually its an annual thing, quarterly thing, or never thing so I am not sure based on what he said.
forgive me but you are kinda new to this? by that I mean the reporting of a publicly traded company meaning facebook
You say: Do you think he's lying?
I say: He talks like a politician. As in what he says means shit either way.
to be completely frank having listened to him a few times the last type of person I would say he talks like is a politician. He talks more like an uncontrolled inexperienced often more honestly driven youth who needs to be controlled at times.
far from a 'politician' to be honest.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
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Hey gais, we're gonna jack the original price estimate up by $300 and then we're gonna push your order back by a year. Ya'll enjoy this new technology now.
"her work became more and more obfuscated by mathematics and jargon"
for the record here is his position
1. Despite Oculus having the numbers of previous sales and knowing just as we do what those numbers are they likely estimated a number far lower than that instead of around those numbers because of reasons....and because of the non-evidence and non-logical reason to that.
2. Palmer Lucky, he is not lying he is obfuscating, again based on non-evidence that doesnt exist or even come close to being implied
maybe...just maybe....he is just telling the truth. I know but maybe....just maybe they did actually sell more than expected and that expected number was something based on past expeirence..maybe
It is not non-evidence and actually very logical. It is basic marketing 101. If one's product does well, especially better than expected, that information is released because it fuels more sales. If the sales aren't what one was hoping, it is kept vague and positive spin is put on it. Every company does it.
Its like that verizon commercial with Ricky Gervais where he says they looked into a competitor who says they have the fastest LTE, then do some digging and discover they're the fastest in 1 city in Kansas. The fastest statement is not a lie, but its very misleading. Ironically that same commercial does the same thing they state others are doing, lol.
"her work became more and more obfuscated by mathematics and jargon"
for the record here is his position
1. Despite Oculus having the numbers of previous sales and knowing just as we do what those numbers are they likely estimated a number far lower than that instead of around those numbers because of reasons....and because of the non-evidence and non-logical reason to that.
2. Palmer Lucky, he is not lying he is obfuscating, again based on non-evidence that doesnt exist or even come close to being implied
maybe...just maybe....he is just telling the truth. I know but maybe....just maybe they did actually sell more than expected and that expected number was something based on past expeirence..maybe
It is not non-evidence and actually very logical. It is basic marketing 101. If one's product does well, especially better than expected, that information is released because it fuels more sales. If the sales aren't what one was hoping, it is kept vague and positive spin is put on it. Every company does it.
Its like that verizon commercial with Ricky Gervais where he says they looked into a competitor who says they have the fastest LTE, then do some digging and discover they're the fastest in 1 city in Kansas. The fastest statement is not a lie, but its very misleading. Ironically that same commercial does the same thing they state others are doing, lol.
Or like that Dodge Truck commercial where Sam Elliot is criticizing the "other" truck makers abuse of disclaimers while they have their own disclaimer showing at the same time.
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did you have long drawn out debates about that subject spanning several months and several hundred posts?
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Crap like this happens all the time. Especially when you're talking about such high demand and limited quantity. It's a status symbol right now.
Not buying their faulty part B.S. The details are very sketchy for a reason. When you are lying to the mass people you want to keep as little information as possible and keep it vague.
Regardless, there's no denying that there's incredibly high interest for the tech.
How that all plays out remains to be seen.
and what predictions did you make about VR 9-12 months ago. I would be curious to know
personally my prediction is that in the article I linked Palmer Lucky was not liying
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
What do we consider a success? 10 thousand sales? 50 thousand sales? Million? 2 million?
Never forget, many of those early adopters might throw their headsets in the trash.
What if the whole VR market sits at ~100-200k devices? Do you think devs will care for VR if this is the case?
It's the same with this tech as it is with new game.
But honestly, I'd like to know what do you consider success.
@Leon1e
no its really simpler than that.
All I am suggesting is that this article is not a lie and that Lucky is not liying:
http://www.roadtovr.com/founder-oculus-rift-pre-orders-going-much-better-than-expected-sales/
Lucky Quote:
Other people here are saying that he is, I am saying that he is not. that is my entire position regarding Oculus and VR in this thread
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
your position seems to be that he likely is and you base this on...nothing
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
first you say he is not liying but then you saying he (or marketing) is obfuscating and in addition to that you base that conclusion based on zero evidence at all to support it.
are you saying that he is not liying but he is obfuscating?
on your last point the average thinking person would assume that based on passed sales of the Oculus that the 'expected' numbers would be aroun 50,000. Why would we ASSUME that they are 'expecting' less numbers then the rest of us would expect based on passed numbers that come from them!?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
1. Despite Oculus having the numbers of previous sales and knowing just as we do what those numbers are they likely estimated a number far lower than that instead of around those numbers because of reasons....and because of the non-evidence and non-logical reason to that.
2. Palmer Lucky, he is not lying he is obfuscating, again based on non-evidence that doesnt exist or even come close to being implied
maybe...just maybe....he is just telling the truth. I know but maybe....just maybe they did actually sell more than expected and that expected number was something based on past expeirence..maybe
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
I am sorry but I am taking the position that he is telling the truth AND that the numbers they were expecting where based on evidence of past sells. I know you guys want to take a different position based on zero evidence to support such a position but lets just stop and wait and see when more numbers come out, shall we?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
"I can’t talk about numbers, but we sold through in 10 minutes what I thought we were going to sell 'through in a few hours."
What numbers?
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
forgive me but you are kinda new to this? by that I mean the reporting of a publicly traded company meaning facebook
for example, if your beancounters want to wait until a quartly report then they can do something like this:
http://www.androidbeat.com/2014/05/samsung-sold-500-000-smartwatches-q1-2014-71-global-marketshare/
so yeah 'cant' doesnt mean 'cant never ever ever' which i thought was fairly well implied
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I say: He talks like a politician. As in what he says means shit either way.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
far from a 'politician' to be honest.
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Please do not respond to me
None? Still not interested.
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Its like that verizon commercial with Ricky Gervais where he says they looked into a competitor who says they have the fastest LTE, then do some digging and discover they're the fastest in 1 city in Kansas. The fastest statement is not a lie, but its very misleading. Ironically that same commercial does the same thing they state others are doing, lol.
Shit just cracks me up.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
@SEANMCAD hasn't really provided any prediction number.
He agrees with Palmer Lucky in a linked article, in which Palmer says the sold faster than expected.
But no sales numbers. No produciton numbers. Just "10 minutes" and "few hours"
Just making sure I have this correct here, you know, so in 9-12 months we can come back and see exactly what @SEANMCAD ;told all of us.