1. It really should not be a shocker that HTC being a phone manufacturing company that they would be able to throttle up their supply chain easier then Facebook can
2. However, companies do in fact try to target an 'expected sales number' often based on passed experience. It has is possible for sales to be higher than those expected numbers. So Facbeook's supply chain really doesnt make the statement of 'we had more orders that expected' untrue. They simply could not handle the extra unexpected demand but HTC could because they are a manufacturing company of the very same technology in question
its really that simple
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Me: 'I think its likely that Lukcy is not liying' and I told you so when it comes out in a few months. I don't know what It is. I love lamp.
Your Buddies: 'Lucky isn't saying anything, and neither are you. So what are you trying to say? Just speaking the same mumbled nonsense louder doesn't make it any more intelligible.'
Whether they made 10 or 100000, they clearly have supply issues. I know how is sucks have delays when your excited about getting a new toy. At least they are taking the high ground and providing free shipping. I know there will be a contingency which screams for 'they should be free' crowd, but it isn't realistic, so those can be ignored.
The key is whether or not they fix their supply problem for future sales.
its funny how as soon as I mentioned that HTC sold 15,000 in 10 mins its now longer an issue of how many where sold....
this is a circle jerk exercise.
but what I can tell over the course of a few months is that I am making progress and the debate changes exactly as I predicted it would
How do you go from one guy saying the volume doesn't matter, because it's still a supply issue to... whatever the f(*& that conclusion you are trying to make there is.
I do agree, you love circle jerking. And I'm a sucker for replying all the time.
is it always a marketing thing when a company says it sells out OR is there something specific you can point to that makes this marketing and other examples not?
also...if Vive sold out 15,000 in 10 mins how many do you think Oculus sold out as an educated guess?
None of this matters. It's sustained sales that will matter.
yes I know that debate an angle is coming later and so will the 'console wars of VR' will come but for now we are still stuck on this one thing. dont get ahead of yourself.
15,0000 HTC in 10 mins 150 Oculus?
does that sound about right?
Ah... Back from lunch
15,000 HTC in 10 mins, is that every 10 mins or is that a one time deal?
If it's a one time deal, I say whoopity shit.
let me try asking again
15,0000 HTC in 10 mins 150 Oculus in 10 mins seems reasonable?
Is that 15,0000 or 15,000?
Sony is a much better known brand for electronics, it's also trusted. So I think they might have an edge on numbers.
If you think anyone is seriously arguing 150 units for Oculus, you're being ridiculous.
Sony is a much better known brand for electronics, it's also trusted. So I think they might have an edge on numbers.
If you think anyone is seriously arguing 150 units for Oculus, you're being ridiculous.
Typo,,,
ok so does this sound a little more accurate as a guess
HTC 15,000 in the first 10 mins Oculus 1500 in the first 30 mins
how about that?
second question: do you think its highly unlikely that Oculus had an 'estimated number' that they felt was 'expected' based on passed sells?
I'd be guessing at any number.
Oculus has sales projections. Every company does. The only thing Oculus has sold that I'm aware of are the Developer models, so I wouldn't think they were basing projections off those.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to the lake.
Might check in tonight on my mobile for some more entertainment if my wife ends up boring me
Sony is a much better known brand for electronics, it's also trusted. So I think they might have an edge on numbers.
If you think anyone is seriously arguing 150 units for Oculus, you're being ridiculous.
Typo,,,
ok so does this sound a little more accurate as a guess
HTC 15,000 in the first 10 mins Oculus 1500 in the first 30 mins
how about that?
second question: do you think its highly unlikely that Oculus had an 'estimated number' that they felt was 'expected' based on passed sells?
I'd be guessing at any number.
Oculus has sales projections. Every company does. The only thing Oculus has sold that I'm aware of are the Developer models, so I wouldn't think they were basing projections off those.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to the lake.
Might check in tonight on my mobile for some more entertainment if my wife ends up boring me
so its not crazy to think what Lucky said is actually true. that the sales figures actually did exceed the expectation they had
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
so its not crazy to think what Lucky said is actually true. that the sales figures actually did exceed the expectation they had
It's just as possible as it is speculative and irrelevant.
Have you ever heard of a new product launching where the company did not claim that the demand exceeded expectations?
Whoever says it about whatever they're selling should always be assumed to be doing nothing other than marketing spin unless they have real numbers to back it up. This is not just a VR thing. It applies to any new product.
All you're really doing in this thread is displaying a monumental pig-headed determination to be pollyannaish about it.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
Not being able to meet even the earliest purchasers delivery date suggests that there is a problem that does not revolve around demand being greater than supply. Something went wrong... and not in a good way.
that is very much incorrect. The problem can be EITHER supply or demand and the chance that demand actually is larger then they expected which is what they said could very well be true.
The good news is that we will likely find out the exact numbers within 12 months and then we can know for sure.
In the meantime you and your buddies could just collect old PC magazines from the 90s looking for adds for Virtual Boy to pass the time
Pepeq's comment is very "likely" IMHO probably in the 80% range of "Probability"
The price jump from $350 to $600 supports his theory.
I think you guys are really really going to need to work on this.
its a good idea to stop stating things as facts and then jump on someone for 'not knowing the fact' even when they explicitly use the word 'likely' but your buddies dont.
Here is the problem you face:
Option 1: Lucky is not liying
Option 2: Lucky is liying but there is zero evidence at all to even remotely suggest that he might be liying.
I am going with option 1, until we get more information which I am sure will come within 12 months
Who the hell stated anything as a fact? I stated a very COMMON issue in manufacturing... in fact it was the very issue that plagued Boeing's 787 Dreamliner.
YOU PERSONALLY DO NOT KNOW the actual reasons for the delay. You only PRESUME TO KNOW. You're opinion on the matter is no more valid than anyone else's... sans the actual people making the damn thing, and they ARE NOT going to announce some faux pax on their part, they're going to sugar coat it to make it go down better.
So in essence, this entire debate is purely one of opinion... and opinions are neither right or wrong... they're just opinions.
We get that VR to you is some second coming. We also know that a lot of people thing VR is a complete waste of time. Two differing opinions... neither of which are a statement of fact. Get over it.
so its not crazy to think what Lucky said is actually true. that the sales figures actually did exceed the expectation they had
It's just as possible as it is speculative and irrelevant.
Have you ever heard of a new product launching where the company did not claim that the demand exceeded expectations?
Whoever says it about whatever they're selling should always be assumed to be doing nothing other than marketing spin unless they have real numbers to back it up. This is not just a VR thing. It applies to any new product.
All you're really doing in this thread is displaying a monumental pig-headed determination to be pollyannaish about it.
I can point to you about 3-4 posts where the poster says things AS A FACT that its clear they (oculus) are either lying, have no idea what they are doing, or estimated low numbers.
they are stating these things AS A FACT!!!!!!!!!! not as an opinion not me OTHER POSTERS...
not me I am stating things as an best guess, likely, OTHERS as in NOT ME as stating the opposite AS A FACT.
would you like me to show you?
you are actually accusing me of doing what I am NOT doing but what other ARE doing
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Not being able to meet even the earliest purchasers delivery date suggests that there is a problem that does not revolve around demand being greater than supply. Something went wrong... and not in a good way.
that is very much incorrect. The problem can be EITHER supply or demand and the chance that demand actually is larger then they expected which is what they said could very well be true.
The good news is that we will likely find out the exact numbers within 12 months and then we can know for sure.
In the meantime you and your buddies could just collect old PC magazines from the 90s looking for adds for Virtual Boy to pass the time
Pepeq's comment is very "likely" IMHO probably in the 80% range of "Probability"
The price jump from $350 to $600 supports his theory.
I think you guys are really really going to need to work on this.
its a good idea to stop stating things as facts and then jump on someone for 'not knowing the fact' even when they explicitly use the word 'likely' but your buddies dont.
Here is the problem you face:
Option 1: Lucky is not liying
Option 2: Lucky is liying but there is zero evidence at all to even remotely suggest that he might be liying.
I am going with option 1, until we get more information which I am sure will come within 12 months
Who the hell stated anything as a fact? I stated a very COMMON issue in manufacturing... in fact it was the very issue that plagued Boeing's 787 Dreamliner.
YOU PERSONALLY DO NOT KNOW the actual reasons for the delay. You only PRESUME TO KNOW. You're opinion on the matter is no more valid than anyone else's... sans the actual people making the damn thing, and they ARE NOT going to announce some faux pax on their part, they're going to sugar coat it to make it go down better.
So in essence, this entire debate is purely one of opinion... and opinions are neither right or wrong... they're just opinions.
We get that VR to you is some second coming. We also know that a lot of people thing VR is a complete waste of time. Two differing opinions... neither of which are a statement of fact. Get over it.
at leats 3-4 posts I have read people stating it as a fact that Oculus is either lying, 'clearly' under estimated, or are just screw ups.
Now I know its a radical position for me to take but my EDUCATED GUESS is that Lucky is actually not liying and that the numbers they estimated where reasonably aquired based on past sells. That is not a prediction on future sells and its not stating something as a fact. I give reasons for why I think as I do.
I want to know why you guys think he is liying or is estimating numbers that are not based on past sells.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
so its not crazy to think what Lucky said is actually true. that the sales figures actually did exceed the expectation they had
It's just as possible as it is speculative and irrelevant.
Have you ever heard of a new product launching where the company did not claim that the demand exceeded expectations?
Whoever says it about whatever they're selling should always be assumed to be doing nothing other than marketing spin unless they have real numbers to back it up. This is not just a VR thing. It applies to any new product.
All you're really doing in this thread is displaying a monumental pig-headed determination to be pollyannaish about it.
I can point to you about 3-4 posts where the poster says things AS A FACT that its clear they (oculus) are either lying, have no idea what they are doing, or estimated low numbers.
they are stating these things AS A FACT!!!!!!!!!! not as an opinion not me OTHER POSTERS...
not me I am stating things as an best guess, likely, OTHERS as in NOT ME as stating the opposite AS A FACT.
would you like me to show you?
you are actually accusing me of doing what I am NOT doing but what other ARE doing
I don't think you understand the meaning of pollyannaish. It doesn't mean that you are stating opinions as fact. It simply means that you're painting an unrealistically optimistic picture...as you did with your very first post in this thread.
Anything in PR should be assumed to be massaged spin unless, as I said, they show you the numbers.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
so its not crazy to think what Lucky said is actually true. that the sales figures actually did exceed the expectation they had
It's just as possible as it is speculative and irrelevant.
Have you ever heard of a new product launching where the company did not claim that the demand exceeded expectations?
Whoever says it about whatever they're selling should always be assumed to be doing nothing other than marketing spin unless they have real numbers to back it up. This is not just a VR thing. It applies to any new product.
All you're really doing in this thread is displaying a monumental pig-headed determination to be pollyannaish about it.
I can point to you about 3-4 posts where the poster says things AS A FACT that its clear they (oculus) are either lying, have no idea what they are doing, or estimated low numbers.
they are stating these things AS A FACT!!!!!!!!!! not as an opinion not me OTHER POSTERS...
not me I am stating things as an best guess, likely, OTHERS as in NOT ME as stating the opposite AS A FACT.
would you like me to show you?
you are actually accusing me of doing what I am NOT doing but what other ARE doing
I don't think you understand the meaning of pollyannaish. It doesn't mean that you are stating opinions as fact. It simply means that you're painting a unrealistically optimistic picture...as you did with your very first post in this thread.
Anything in PR should be assumed to be massaged spin unless, as I said, they show you the numbers.
first you say its not fact. then you say 'Anything in PR should be assumed to be massaged spin '
and what I wan to know is WHY??????????????
the 'assumption' you are making is that all owners of companies or representives of said companies lie when they speak' unless you have some REASON you can explain to me why this would be an assumption? please break that assumption down a LEAST a little bit.
also...currently on Ebay I can sell both my headsets for more than I paid for them. this is also a hint that yeah...maybe the sales actually were more than expected ?
also....Vive sold 15,000 in 10 mins. so yeah...maybe the sales numbers from Oculus which went on sale first actually did get more than expected?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
And what are those sales numbers from Oculus again?
Oh, that's right, you have no idea. You don't even have an educated guess.
All you know is that Palmer isn't lying. Which isn't hard to do, because he didn't say anything either.
again..
its called an educated guess based on various known facts vs. randomly making a guess based on zero known facts.
would you like to know what the known facts are to my educated guess that the numbers are not low? and yes...he DID say something and he did say something that people here are arguing with over which is 'sold more than expected' key phrase that is because some people here are saying that they DIDNT sell more than expected
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
As far as i can see there is only 1 known fact, that since even the kickstarter backers had their shipments pushed back something went wrong. There was know way for Oculus to know how many pre-orders there would be so being overwhelmed by a huge number could have happened, but the Kickstarter numbers were a known quantity from the very start. They knew exactly how many units they needed to produce to fulfill that obligation and they failed.
Poor planning, poor resource acquisition or simple manufacturing delays, it doesn't matter. They failed to fulfill even the most basic of obligations.
I'd actually like to know what your educated guess is. You still haven't said.
actually I have several times but I will state it again.
---------------------START READ-------------- My educated guess is that Palmer Lucky is not lying AND that the expected sales numbers he is referring is an estimated numbers based off of past sells and the actual number is likely close to the same number HTC Vive posted which is 15,000 in the first 10 mins. --------------------END READ-----------------
print that, post that, refer to it every time you see my name, that is the position I am taking and its the position I have said more than once.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Seanmcad your desperation to defend Oculus no matter how bad they are is rather scary. I guess you don't care about having any respect or credability on these forums.
It's almost like you invested your retirement into it and are now scared shi*less your investment is going down the tubes
Seanmcad your desperation to defend Oculus no matter how bad they are is rather scary. I guess you don't care about having any respect or credability on these forums.
It's almost like you invested your retirement into it and are now scared shi*less your investment is going down the tubes
my scary position:
---------------------START READ--------------
My educated guess is that Palmer Lucky is not lying AND that the expected sales numbers he is referring is an estimated numbers based off of past sells and the actual number is likely close to the same number HTC Vive posted which is 15,000 in the first 10 mins. --------------------END READ-----------------
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Seanmcad your desperation to defend Oculus no matter how bad they are is rather scary. I guess you don't care about having any respect or credability on these forums.
It's almost like you invested your retirement into it and are now scared shi*less your investment is going down the tubes
my scary position:
---------------------START READ--------------
My educated guess is that Palmer Lucky is not lying AND that the expected sales numbers he is referring is an estimated numbers based off of past sells and the actual number is likely close to the same number HTC Vive posted which is 15,000 in the first 10 mins. --------------------END READ-----------------
You reek of desperation. Country concerts sell 25,000+ seats in under 5 minutes. 15,000 sales isn't something to be bragging about.
Seanmcad your desperation to defend Oculus no matter how bad they are is rather scary. I guess you don't care about having any respect or credability on these forums.
It's almost like you invested your retirement into it and are now scared shi*less your investment is going down the tubes
my scary position:
---------------------START READ--------------
My educated guess is that Palmer Lucky is not lying AND that the expected sales numbers he is referring is an estimated numbers based off of past sells and the actual number is likely close to the same number HTC Vive posted which is 15,000 in the first 10 mins. --------------------END READ-----------------
You reek of desperation. Country concerts sell 25,000+ seats in under 5 minutes. 15,000 sales isn't something to be bragging about.
if someone even came close to agreeing that the 'estimated number' is closer to 15,000 than not then that alone would be a HUGE win for me regardless of if that number is significant or not. in fact almost such a huge win I might even leave the conversation completely. its all I have been saying for a long time.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Seanmcad your desperation to defend Oculus no matter how bad they are is rather scary. I guess you don't care about having any respect or credability on these forums.
It's almost like you invested your retirement into it and are now scared shi*less your investment is going down the tubes
my scary position:
---------------------START READ--------------
My educated guess is that Palmer Lucky is not lying AND that the expected sales numbers he is referring is an estimated numbers based off of past sells and the actual number is likely close to the same number HTC Vive posted which is 15,000 in the first 10 mins. --------------------END READ-----------------
You reek of desperation. Country concerts sell 25,000+ seats in under 5 minutes. 15,000 sales isn't something to be bragging about.
if someone even came close to agreeing that the 'estimated number' is closer to 15,000 than not then that alone would be a HUGE win for me regardless of if that number is significant or not
And there is your issue and why you reek of desperation. A win for you? Dude you lost a long time ago that's why you are so desperate now...
Seanmcad your desperation to defend Oculus no matter how bad they are is rather scary. I guess you don't care about having any respect or credability on these forums.
It's almost like you invested your retirement into it and are now scared shi*less your investment is going down the tubes
my scary position:
---------------------START READ--------------
My educated guess is that Palmer Lucky is not lying AND that the expected sales numbers he is referring is an estimated numbers based off of past sells and the actual number is likely close to the same number HTC Vive posted which is 15,000 in the first 10 mins. --------------------END READ-----------------
You reek of desperation. Country concerts sell 25,000+ seats in under 5 minutes. 15,000 sales isn't something to be bragging about.
if someone even came close to agreeing that the 'estimated number' is closer to 15,000 than not then that alone would be a HUGE win for me regardless of if that number is significant or not
And there is your issue and why you reek of desperation. A win for you? Dude you lost a long time ago that's why you are so desperate now...
so you agree that the expected sales numbers he is referring is an estimated numbers based off of past sells and the actual number is likely close to the same number HTC Vive posted which is 15,000 in the first 10 mins.
I havent, nor do I plan to, suggest that the number is significate. All I have been saying is:
---------------------START READ-------------- My educated guess is that Palmer Lucky is not lying AND that the expected sales numbers he is referring is an estimated numbers based off of past sells and the actual number is likely close to the same number HTC Vive posted which is 15,000 in the first 10 mins. --------------------END READ-----------------
and I am being told its unlikely that the above is remotely true
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Seanmcad your desperation to defend Oculus no matter how bad they are is rather scary. I guess you don't care about having any respect or credability on these forums.
It's almost like you invested your retirement into it and are now scared shi*less your investment is going down the tubes
my scary position:
---------------------START READ--------------
My educated guess is that Palmer Lucky is not lying AND that the expected sales numbers he is referring is an estimated numbers based off of past sells and the actual number is likely close to the same number HTC Vive posted which is 15,000 in the first 10 mins. --------------------END READ-----------------
You reek of desperation. Country concerts sell 25,000+ seats in under 5 minutes. 15,000 sales isn't something to be bragging about.
if someone even came close to agreeing that the 'estimated number' is closer to 15,000 than not then that alone would be a HUGE win for me regardless of if that number is significant or not
And there is your issue and why you reek of desperation. A win for you? Dude you lost a long time ago that's why you are so desperate now...
so you agree that the expected sales numbers he is referring is an estimated numbers based off of past sells and the actual number is likely close to the same number HTC Vive posted which is 15,000 in the first 10 mins.
I havent, nor do I plan to, suggest that the number is significate. All I have been saying is:
---------------------START READ-------------- My educated guess is that Palmer Lucky is not lying AND that the expected sales numbers he is referring is an estimated numbers based off of past sells and the actual number is likely close to the same number HTC Vive posted which is 15,000 in the first 10 mins. --------------------END READ-----------------
and I am being told its unlikely that the above is remotely true
Hey lied about the price, he lied about the release date, he lied about being adjustable, he lied about when people would get preorders, he lied about motion sickness not being an issue...so how exactly would a logical person come to the conclusion he's not lying about expected sales number. And again 15,000 isn't anything to brag about.
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2. However, companies do in fact try to target an 'expected sales number' often based on passed experience. It has is possible for sales to be higher than those expected numbers. So Facbeook's supply chain really doesnt make the statement of 'we had more orders that expected' untrue. They simply could not handle the extra unexpected demand but HTC could because they are a manufacturing company of the very same technology in question
its really that simple
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
I do agree, you love circle jerking. And I'm a sucker for replying all the time.
Sony is a much better known brand for electronics, it's also trusted. So I think they might have an edge on numbers.
If you think anyone is seriously arguing 150 units for Oculus, you're being ridiculous.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
ok so does this sound a little more accurate as a guess
HTC 15,000 in the first 10 mins
Oculus 1500 in the first 30 mins
how about that?
second question:
do you think its highly unlikely that Oculus had an 'estimated number' that they felt was 'expected' based on passed sells?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Oculus has sales projections. Every company does. The only thing Oculus has sold that I'm aware of are the Developer models, so I wouldn't think they were basing projections off those.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to the lake.
Might check in tonight on my mobile for some more entertainment if my wife ends up boring me
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Have you ever heard of a new product launching where the company did not claim that the demand exceeded expectations?
Whoever says it about whatever they're selling should always be assumed to be doing nothing other than marketing spin unless they have real numbers to back it up. This is not just a VR thing. It applies to any new product.
All you're really doing in this thread is displaying a monumental pig-headed determination to be pollyannaish about it.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
YOU PERSONALLY DO NOT KNOW the actual reasons for the delay. You only PRESUME TO KNOW. You're opinion on the matter is no more valid than anyone else's... sans the actual people making the damn thing, and they ARE NOT going to announce some faux pax on their part, they're going to sugar coat it to make it go down better.
So in essence, this entire debate is purely one of opinion... and opinions are neither right or wrong... they're just opinions.
We get that VR to you is some second coming. We also know that a lot of people thing VR is a complete waste of time. Two differing opinions... neither of which are a statement of fact. Get over it.
they are stating these things AS A FACT!!!!!!!!!! not as an opinion
not me OTHER POSTERS...
not me
I am stating things as an best guess, likely, OTHERS as in NOT ME as stating the opposite AS A FACT.
would you like me to show you?
you are actually accusing me of doing what I am NOT doing but what other ARE doing
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Now I know its a radical position for me to take but my EDUCATED GUESS is that Lucky is actually not liying and that the numbers they estimated where reasonably aquired based on past sells. That is not a prediction on future sells and its not stating something as a fact. I give reasons for why I think as I do.
I want to know why you guys think he is liying or is estimating numbers that are not based on past sells.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Anything in PR should be assumed to be massaged spin unless, as I said, they show you the numbers.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
then you say 'Anything in PR should be assumed to be massaged spin '
and what I wan to know is WHY??????????????
the 'assumption' you are making is that all owners of companies or representives of said companies lie when they speak' unless you have some REASON you can explain to me why this would be an assumption? please break that assumption down a LEAST a little bit.
also...currently on Ebay I can sell both my headsets for more than I paid for them. this is also a hint that yeah...maybe the sales actually were more than expected ?
also....Vive sold 15,000 in 10 mins. so yeah...maybe the sales numbers from Oculus which went on sale first actually did get more than expected?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Oh, that's right, you have no idea. You don't even have an educated guess.
All you know is that Palmer isn't lying. Which isn't hard to do, because he didn't say anything either.
its called an educated guess based on various known facts vs. randomly making a guess based on zero known facts.
would you like to know what the known facts are to my educated guess that the numbers are not low?
and yes...he DID say something and he did say something that people here are arguing with over which is 'sold more than expected' key phrase that is because some people here are saying that they DIDNT sell more than expected
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Poor planning, poor resource acquisition or simple manufacturing delays, it doesn't matter. They failed to fulfill even the most basic of obligations.
---------------------START READ--------------
My educated guess is that Palmer Lucky is not lying AND that the expected sales numbers he is referring is an estimated numbers based off of past sells and the actual number is likely close to the same number HTC Vive posted which is 15,000 in the first 10 mins.
--------------------END READ-----------------
print that, post that, refer to it every time you see my name, that is the position I am taking and its the position I have said more than once.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
It's almost like you invested your retirement into it and are now scared shi*less your investment is going down the tubes
---------------------START READ--------------
My educated guess is that Palmer Lucky is not lying AND that the expected sales numbers he is referring is an estimated numbers based off of past sells and the actual number is likely close to the same number HTC Vive posted which is 15,000 in the first 10 mins.
--------------------END READ-----------------
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
I havent, nor do I plan to, suggest that the number is significate. All I have been saying is:
---------------------START READ--------------
My educated guess is that Palmer Lucky is not lying AND that the expected sales numbers he is referring is an estimated numbers based off of past sells and the actual number is likely close to the same number HTC Vive posted which is 15,000 in the first 10 mins.
--------------------END READ-----------------
and I am being told its unlikely that the above is remotely true
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me