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Rift shipments delayed for months in botched launch

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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    laserit said:
    Well... let's just say that we agree to disagree
    well when ones ego investment is so high its a natural response to just call all the news coming out basically 'lies' and to feel confident in that without any real reason to think as such.

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  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 7,591
    SEANMCAD said:
    laserit said:
    Well... let's just say that we agree to disagree
    well when ones ego investment is so high its a natural response to just call all the news coming out basically 'lies' and to feel confident in that without any real reason to think as such.
    There is also a term called "Blind Faith"

    Hmm... sounds like a good name for a band ;)

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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    edited April 2016
    laserit said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    laserit said:
    Well... let's just say that we agree to disagree
    well when ones ego investment is so high its a natural response to just call all the news coming out basically 'lies' and to feel confident in that without any real reason to think as such.
    There is also a term called "Blind Faith"

    Hmm... sounds like a good name for a band ;)
    ha!

    the opposite of blind faith is knowedge and facts..

    not randomly made up obscurities based on nothing.

    kind of like 'Lukcy is liying'
    why?
    'reasons...'

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  • GhavriggGhavrigg Member RarePosts: 1,308
    edited April 2016
    SEANMCAD said:
    laserit said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    laserit said:
    Well... let's just say that we agree to disagree
    well when ones ego investment is so high its a natural response to just call all the news coming out basically 'lies' and to feel confident in that without any real reason to think as such.
    There is also a term called "Blind Faith"

    Hmm... sounds like a good name for a band ;)

    kind of like 'Lukcy is liying'
    why?
    'reasons...'

    That's more of an example of butchering the English language than anything else. 
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    edited April 2016
    Ghavrigg said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    laserit said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    laserit said:
    Well... let's just say that we agree to disagree
    well when ones ego investment is so high its a natural response to just call all the news coming out basically 'lies' and to feel confident in that without any real reason to think as such.
    There is also a term called "Blind Faith"

    Hmm... sounds like a good name for a band ;)

    kind of like 'Lukcy is liying'
    why?
    'reasons...'

    That's more of an example of butchering the English language than anything else. 
    Game poster: 'I think Lucky is lying'

    Sean_mcad: 'oh really? why do you think that'?

    Game poster: 'blind faith because I have no idea whatsoever and have nothing to even remotely back it up'

    Sean_mcad: 'oh I see, well would you like to hear my reasons why I think he is not lying'

    Game poster: 'not really because I will just say you dont have any facts which is why I am more comfortable with my position that is completely baseless'

     its like talking to someone with blind faith in god and in the believe that VR (or at least Oculus) will fail

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  • GestankfaustGestankfaust Member UncommonPosts: 1,989
    Worst debate thread ever....

    "This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."

  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 7,591
    SEANMCAD said:
    Ghavrigg said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    laserit said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    laserit said:
    Well... let's just say that we agree to disagree
    well when ones ego investment is so high its a natural response to just call all the news coming out basically 'lies' and to feel confident in that without any real reason to think as such.
    There is also a term called "Blind Faith"

    Hmm... sounds like a good name for a band ;)

    kind of like 'Lukcy is liying'
    why?
    'reasons...'

    That's more of an example of butchering the English language than anything else. 
    Game poster: 'I think Lucky is lying'

    Sean_mcad: 'oh really? why do you think that'?

    Game poster: 'blind faith because I have no idea whatsoever and have nothing to even remotely back it up'

    Sean_mcad: 'oh I see, well would you like to hear my reasons why I think he is not lying'

    Game poster: 'not really because I will just say you dont have any facts which is why I am more comfortable with my position that is completely baseless'

     its like talking to someone with blind faith in god and in the believe that VR (or at least Oculus) will fail
    I think another term is coming into par

    "Broken Record"

    "Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee

  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    laserit said:

    Game poster: 'I think Lucky is lying'

    Sean_mcad: 'oh really? why do you think that'?

    Game poster: 'blind faith because I have no idea whatsoever and have nothing to even remotely back it up'

    Sean_mcad: 'oh I see, well would you like to hear my reasons why I think he is not lying'

    Game poster: 'not really because I will just say you dont have any facts which is why I am more comfortable with my position that is completely baseless'

     its like talking to someone with blind faith in god and in the believe that VR (or at least Oculus) will fail
    I think another term is coming into par

    "Broken Record"
    'why do you think he is lying?'
    no reason, I dont need no stinkin reasons I just have blind faith that I am right even though evidence suggests the opposite.

    its kinda funny

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  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 7,591
    SEANMCAD said:
    laserit said:

    Game poster: 'I think Lucky is lying'

    Sean_mcad: 'oh really? why do you think that'?

    Game poster: 'blind faith because I have no idea whatsoever and have nothing to even remotely back it up'

    Sean_mcad: 'oh I see, well would you like to hear my reasons why I think he is not lying'

    Game poster: 'not really because I will just say you dont have any facts which is why I am more comfortable with my position that is completely baseless'

     its like talking to someone with blind faith in god and in the believe that VR (or at least Oculus) will fail
    I think another term is coming into par

    "Broken Record"
    'why do you think he is lying?'
    no reason, I dont need no stinkin reasons I just have blind faith that I am right even though evidence suggests the opposite.

    its kinda funny
    If you want to read the most logical and most probable response in this whole thread. Reread @Pepeq

    Shit happens

    "Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee

  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    laserit said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    laserit said:

    Game poster: 'I think Lucky is lying'

    Sean_mcad: 'oh really? why do you think that'?

    Game poster: 'blind faith because I have no idea whatsoever and have nothing to even remotely back it up'

    Sean_mcad: 'oh I see, well would you like to hear my reasons why I think he is not lying'

    Game poster: 'not really because I will just say you dont have any facts which is why I am more comfortable with my position that is completely baseless'

     its like talking to someone with blind faith in god and in the believe that VR (or at least Oculus) will fail
    I think another term is coming into par

    "Broken Record"
    'why do you think he is lying?'
    no reason, I dont need no stinkin reasons I just have blind faith that I am right even though evidence suggests the opposite.

    its kinda funny
    If you want to read the most logical and most probable response in this whole thread. Reread @Pepeq

    Shit happens
    reasoning? there isnt any reasoning to the assumption that Lucky is either liying or that its 'clearly' a supply problem and not what Lucky says it is which is 'unexpected demand' I mean that statement is crazy talk right?

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  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 7,591
    edited April 2016
    SEANMCAD said:
    laserit said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    laserit said:

    Game poster: 'I think Lucky is lying'

    Sean_mcad: 'oh really? why do you think that'?

    Game poster: 'blind faith because I have no idea whatsoever and have nothing to even remotely back it up'

    Sean_mcad: 'oh I see, well would you like to hear my reasons why I think he is not lying'

    Game poster: 'not really because I will just say you dont have any facts which is why I am more comfortable with my position that is completely baseless'

     its like talking to someone with blind faith in god and in the believe that VR (or at least Oculus) will fail
    I think another term is coming into par

    "Broken Record"
    'why do you think he is lying?'
    no reason, I dont need no stinkin reasons I just have blind faith that I am right even though evidence suggests the opposite.

    its kinda funny
    If you want to read the most logical and most probable response in this whole thread. Reread @Pepeq

    Shit happens
    reasoning? there isnt any reasoning to the assumption that Lucky is either liying or that its 'clearly' a supply problem and not what Lucky says it is which is 'unexpected demand' I mean that statement is crazy talk right?
    No

    It's called "Marketing Speak"

    edit: And admitting that you're having a production problem "could" be disastrous.

    And yes everyone is making assumptions.

    Including you

    "Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee

  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    laserit said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    laserit said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    laserit said:

    Game poster: 'I think Lucky is lying'

    Sean_mcad: 'oh really? why do you think that'?

    Game poster: 'blind faith because I have no idea whatsoever and have nothing to even remotely back it up'

    Sean_mcad: 'oh I see, well would you like to hear my reasons why I think he is not lying'

    Game poster: 'not really because I will just say you dont have any facts which is why I am more comfortable with my position that is completely baseless'

     its like talking to someone with blind faith in god and in the believe that VR (or at least Oculus) will fail
    I think another term is coming into par

    "Broken Record"
    'why do you think he is lying?'
    no reason, I dont need no stinkin reasons I just have blind faith that I am right even though evidence suggests the opposite.

    its kinda funny
    If you want to read the most logical and most probable response in this whole thread. Reread @Pepeq

    Shit happens
    reasoning? there isnt any reasoning to the assumption that Lucky is either liying or that its 'clearly' a supply problem and not what Lucky says it is which is 'unexpected demand' I mean that statement is crazy talk right?
    No

    It's called "Marketing Speak"
    ah yeah...that meme.

    yeah because every single sell out ever in history is always 'more than expected' is actually not so because every sell out ever is just a marketing scam.

    well Vive sold out 15,000 in 10 mins, they published that number. you think Oculus is only about what? 200 that they 'expected'?

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  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 7,591
    edited April 2016
    SEANMCAD said:
    laserit said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    laserit said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    laserit said:

    Game poster: 'I think Lucky is lying'

    Sean_mcad: 'oh really? why do you think that'?

    Game poster: 'blind faith because I have no idea whatsoever and have nothing to even remotely back it up'

    Sean_mcad: 'oh I see, well would you like to hear my reasons why I think he is not lying'

    Game poster: 'not really because I will just say you dont have any facts which is why I am more comfortable with my position that is completely baseless'

     its like talking to someone with blind faith in god and in the believe that VR (or at least Oculus) will fail
    I think another term is coming into par

    "Broken Record"
    'why do you think he is lying?'
    no reason, I dont need no stinkin reasons I just have blind faith that I am right even though evidence suggests the opposite.

    its kinda funny
    If you want to read the most logical and most probable response in this whole thread. Reread @Pepeq

    Shit happens
    reasoning? there isnt any reasoning to the assumption that Lucky is either liying or that its 'clearly' a supply problem and not what Lucky says it is which is 'unexpected demand' I mean that statement is crazy talk right?
    No

    It's called "Marketing Speak"
    ah yeah...that meme.

    yeah because every single sell out ever in history is always 'more than expected' is actually not so because every sell out ever is just a marketing scam.

    well Vive sold out 15,000 in 10 mins, they published that number. you think Oculus is only about what? 200 that they 'expected'?
    Marketing speak happens beit scam or not.

    Lol... Its part of Marketing period.

    edit: Here in Vancouver, Paul Mccartney sold  out 30,000 tickets in about 1 1/2 minutes. What's your point?

    There is always a mad dash for something new.

    We'll have to wait and see if they can sustain sales.

    "Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee

  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    laserit said:

    Marketing speak happens beit scam or not.

    Lol... Its part of Marketing period.
    DIRECT QUESTION

    is it always a marketing thing when a company says it sells out OR is there something specific you can point to that makes this marketing and other examples not?

    also...if Vive sold out 15,000 in 10 mins how many do you think Oculus sold out as an educated guess?

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    Please do not respond to me

  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 7,591
    SEANMCAD said:
    laserit said:

    Marketing speak happens beit scam or not.

    Lol... Its part of Marketing period.
    DIRECT QUESTION

    is it always a marketing thing when a company says it sells out OR is there something specific you can point to that makes this marketing and other examples not?

    also...if Vive sold out 15,000 in 10 mins how many do you think Oculus sold out as an educated guess?
    None of this matters. It's sustained sales that will matter.

    "Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee

  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    laserit said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    laserit said:

    Marketing speak happens beit scam or not.

    Lol... Its part of Marketing period.
    DIRECT QUESTION

    is it always a marketing thing when a company says it sells out OR is there something specific you can point to that makes this marketing and other examples not?

    also...if Vive sold out 15,000 in 10 mins how many do you think Oculus sold out as an educated guess?
    None of this matters. It's sustained sales that will matter.
    yes I know that debate an angle is coming later and so will the 'console wars of VR' will come but for now we are still stuck on this one thing. dont get ahead of yourself.

    15,0000 HTC in 10 mins
    150 Oculus?

    does that sound about right?

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  • mgilbrtsnmgilbrtsn Member EpicPosts: 3,430
    Whether they made 10 or 100000, they clearly have supply issues.  I know how is sucks have delays when your excited about getting a new toy.  At least they are taking the high ground and providing free shipping.  I know there will be a contingency which screams for 'they should be free' crowd, but it isn't realistic, so those can be ignored.

    The key is whether or not they fix their supply problem for future sales.

    I self identify as a monkey.

  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    mgilbrtsn said:
    Whether they made 10 or 100000, they clearly have supply issues.  I know how is sucks have delays when your excited about getting a new toy.  At least they are taking the high ground and providing free shipping.  I know there will be a contingency which screams for 'they should be free' crowd, but it isn't realistic, so those can be ignored.

    The key is whether or not they fix their supply problem for future sales.
    its funny how as soon as I mentioned that HTC sold 15,000 in 10 mins its now longer an issue of how many where sold....

    this is a circle jerk exercise.

    but what I can tell over the course of a few months is that I am making progress and the debate changes exactly as I predicted it would

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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    SEANMCAD said:
    mgilbrtsn said:
    Whether they made 10 or 100000, they clearly have supply issues.  I know how is sucks have delays when your excited about getting a new toy.  At least they are taking the high ground and providing free shipping.  I know there will be a contingency which screams for 'they should be free' crowd, but it isn't realistic, so those can be ignored.

    The key is whether or not they fix their supply problem for future sales.
    its funny how as soon as I mentioned that HTC sold 15,000 in 10 mins its now longer an issue of how many where sold....

    this is a circle jerk exercise.

    but what I can tell over the course of a few months is that I am making progress and the debate changes exactly as I predicted it would
    You are the Nostradamus of your generation.

    lol...

    yeah here is my prediction

    that Oculus sold more than the expected.

    ...? what? yup. that is my entire prediction and its based on what Oculus said. radical I know, I know the more reasonable position to take is something that Oculus did not say because clearly that makes more sense...no wait...it actually dosent make more sense

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  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 7,591
    SEANMCAD said:
    laserit said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    laserit said:

    Marketing speak happens beit scam or not.

    Lol... Its part of Marketing period.
    DIRECT QUESTION

    is it always a marketing thing when a company says it sells out OR is there something specific you can point to that makes this marketing and other examples not?

    also...if Vive sold out 15,000 in 10 mins how many do you think Oculus sold out as an educated guess?
    None of this matters. It's sustained sales that will matter.
    yes I know that debate an angle is coming later and so will the 'console wars of VR' will come but for now we are still stuck on this one thing. dont get ahead of yourself.

    15,0000 HTC in 10 mins
    150 Oculus?

    does that sound about right?
    Ah... Back from lunch

    15,000 HTC in 10 mins, is that every 10 mins or is that a one time deal?

    If it's a one time deal, I say whoopity shit. 

    "Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee

  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    laserit said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    laserit said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    laserit said:

    Marketing speak happens beit scam or not.

    Lol... Its part of Marketing period.
    DIRECT QUESTION

    is it always a marketing thing when a company says it sells out OR is there something specific you can point to that makes this marketing and other examples not?

    also...if Vive sold out 15,000 in 10 mins how many do you think Oculus sold out as an educated guess?
    None of this matters. It's sustained sales that will matter.
    yes I know that debate an angle is coming later and so will the 'console wars of VR' will come but for now we are still stuck on this one thing. dont get ahead of yourself.

    15,0000 HTC in 10 mins
    150 Oculus?

    does that sound about right?
    Ah... Back from lunch

    15,000 HTC in 10 mins, is that every 10 mins or is that a one time deal?

    If it's a one time deal, I say whoopity shit. 
    let me try asking again

    15,0000 HTC in 10 mins
    150 Oculus in 10 mins seems reasonable?

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  • k61977k61977 Member EpicPosts: 1,527
    And this is the perfect example of why you never preorder first generation hardware.  More than likely they will improve and release a better version in about a year, and by then there will be a lot more things you can actually use it with.  I know these have been in beta for a long while but still will never buy a first generation anything when it first launches.  I can hold onto my money for at least a year and get the same if not better experience then.
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    k61977 said:
    And this is the perfect example of why you never preorder first generation hardware.  More than likely they will improve and release a better version in about a year, and by then there will be a lot more things you can actually use it with.  I know these have been in beta for a long while but still will never buy a first generation anything when it first launches.  I can hold onto my money for at least a year and get the same if not better experience then.
    completely agree 100%

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