I always tend to play a gnome or halfing in every mmo if its a option available. No not a dwarf , a GNOME -Halfling - or little person. I Find it interesting how dungeons & dragons and Warcraft portray gnomes and halflings as BAD ASS as opposed to Tolkien and lord of the rings. Type in halfling D & D and you will get all these pics of little tricksters with daggers and a devilish smile on their face. Type in WOW Gnome and you get the same along with magic wielding warlocks . Now look up Tolkien Hobbits and you get these little goofs with oversized feet who's shining achievement is shire pumpkin growing. Put a sword in their hand and they will likely cower in fear. I mean just the constant look of misery and cowardice on their face is rage inducing. I realize why i could never get into any of the LOTR movies, It was the hobbits. They are nauseating to watch.
Thoughts?
sorry to disagree (na, kidding, i love disagreeing), but tolkien did what tolkien did.
and imo the hobbits are a quite unique approach to the halfing theme. they are no little buggers, they are basicaly the hippies of halflings.
they are chilled, don't like too much action, love to farm and have decent parties with all their families, they aren't fighters or explorers, they simply are NO BLOODY MMO CLASS by design.
anyway, enough of us love em, exactly how they are, and after the baggins incident, i guess some of the younger hobbits went on to their own adventure (most likely not alot tho). those might be the hobbits you see in LotR online i'd guess
anyway, GRR Tolkien did nothing wrong on hobbits, they make lord of the rings great, bc the whole point of the story is: don't let society tell you what to do. do what needs to be done. and if no one else is there to do it, suck it up, buttercake, the choice falls on you!
uh, but if you wanna talk bout kenders for example (the other extrem in halfling behaviour), i totaly love em too! so.... just tell me if i should comment on them
and for the record, i did NOT steal that item, it was lying around, i merely saved it wrong being stolen by taking it first so i would know where it is!
ps: curiosity killed the kender.
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This kind of reminds me of when my classmates were going to watch Shakespeare on TV because (this was ages ago may be around 40 over years ago) instead of reading it for their exams. They said it was just as good but I was not able to agree with them on this.
The fact is the Lord of Rings should always have been read and while watching the films enriches the whole experience it will never overtake or fulfil you like the books can. There are so many things that happen and insights and tidbits that will be completely lost to you OP. You have seriously been deprived of a great experience that will never be recovered because you already watched the films. You can never go back.
Halfings are Hobbits and Hobbits are Halflings. If you've read the books, you might have noticed a couple times it's pointed out that they call themselves hobbits, and the other races tend to call them halflings.
Of course, in those books, they are dealing with hobbits from the shire. Basically an agrarian community. A bunch of tight-knit family oriented farmers. Yeah, not exactly a lot of strapping warriors chomping at the bit to go battle the forces of evil in places like those, so you really shouldn't be surprised at the lack of enthusiasm they show towards the prospects of the so called 'adventures'. Heck, do that in any races community with a similar profile and you'll have pretty much the same results, though they will tend to be taller, and have a few less meal periods. Though to be honest, I'm pretty sure those guys were just screwing with the non-hobbits when they listed all the 'meals' out.
I always tend to play a gnome or halfing in every mmo if its a option available. No not a dwarf , a GNOME -Halfling - or little person. I Find it interesting how dungeons & dragons and Warcraft portray gnomes and halflings as BAD ASS as opposed to Tolkien and lord of the rings. Type in halfling D & D and you will get all these pics of little tricksters with daggers and a devilish smile on their face. Type in WOW Gnome and you get the same along with magic wielding warlocks . Now look up Tolkien Hobbits and you get these little goofs with oversized feet who's shining achievement is shire pumpkin growing. Put a sword in their hand and they will likely cower in fear. I mean just the constant look of misery and cowardice on their face is rage inducing. I realize why i could never get into any of the LOTR movies, It was the hobbits. They are nauseating to watch.
Thoughts?
This is like saying they built the coliseum wrong, because it totally didn't have electrical outlets or modern day insulation, etc.
You wouldn't be playing gnomes or halflings in games if Tolkien didn't make hobbits. Okay, that's not absolute, perhaps someone along the way would have done something similar in the fantasy genre, but Tolkien pretty much created Fantasy as we know it today.
You're comparing something at it's genesis to something after decades of evolution and refinement by countless others who built upon the foundation developed by Tolkien.
The thing about RP is that we are free to RP our characters any way we want. If @thunderC wants to RP their Hobbit / Gnome as a Bad Ass, then they are free to do so. Also if they believe that said races deserve the chance or opportunity to be said Bad Asses, then they do.
I have been in many an MMO where people have rolled slight characters trying to minimize there target profile. It is a choice and a play style. I ask that it be recognized for that and accepted, so we can all just move on and play.
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It actually does take courage to show your true emotions to others and to tell them how you really do feel about them. Heroic, could be argued over I suppose but it is heroic to try to lift your friend's spirits up as you are both sitting and waiting to die.
I know a lot of male culture is based on grunting and always being tough, ALWAYS. But in reality men have emotions also and they should be allowed to express them as well. Now Hobbits in particular to me at least are depicted as being very emotional and affectionate past what we humans are. So how they act really isn't too far off if you turn on your suspension of disbelief.
I am rambling now but to me when they show a really manly man manliest of men character who is stoic, strong, what have you and he says how he really feels or has tears in his eyes it can be the most powerful of moments. Someone who is not prone to acting in such ways showing his real emotions he keeps inside most of the time is moving.
I knew i was going to get beat up for posting this lol
You do realize that the entire fantasy side of the MMO genre is either directly or indirectly influenced by Tolkien, right?
Of course you're going to get beat up.
Still doesnt sway my opinion that the hobbits were some sorry ass mother*&&^.... lol
have you actually read the books?
curious because from my memory it is chock full of heroic hobbits..
*spoilers below
Frodo takies on the Ringwraths on Weathertop.and gets stabbed for his trouble Sam kills Shelob Merry along with Eowyn fights and kills the Witch King of Angmar
Merry and Pippin leave the trail that leads to the destruction of the Orcs who killed Boromir, Pippin stallskills grishnakh the Uruk long enough when he tries to kill them Pippin stands up to Denethor after he goes madand tries to kill everyone
the entirepopulation of the shire rises up and stage a revolution killing both Wormtongue and Saruman..
for orry ass mother*&&^....' they go alright
also welcome to discuussing ' nerd stuff' with nerds:p
A tiny bit of additional history/reference for you on a related but a slightly take on how different the behaviour of Frodo and Sam seem in lotr. Tolkien himself expressed some reservations and concerns over the Frodo/Sam dynamic as it was in the books. As he himself stated it was an attempt to put into writing a relationship dynamic that was almost extinct/dying out at the time.. that of the Caring Master/Loyal Servant dynamic. Which unfortunately by the time LOTR was published in the 1950s.he regretted having written it that way as he felt modern audiences completely failed to understand it as they had never encountered anything like it in their modern day to day lives..
A tiny bit of additional history/reference for you on a related but a slightly take on how different the behaviour of Frodo and Sam seem in lotr. Tolkien himself expressed some reservations and concerns over the Frodo/Sam dynamic as it was in the books. As he himself stated it was an attempt to put into writing a relationship dynamic that was almost extinct/dying out at the time.. that of the Caring Master/Loyal Servant dynamic. Which unfortunately by the time LOTR was published in the 1950s.he regretted having written it that way as he felt modern audiences completely failed to understand it as they had never encountered anything like it in their modern day to day lives..
Very good point. I grew up reading fiction written in the late 1800s early 1900s: Verne, HG Wells, Stevenson, Arthur Conan Doyle. The Caring Master/Loyal Servant dynamic or the similar leader/follower friends dynamic (as was the case with Holmes and Watson) were staples in fiction from that era.
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Yeah, expressing gratitude to a friend for choosing to stay by your side during what could be your last moments alive is totally for pussies, right?
Sam literally walked into a river knowing he'd probably drown simply because he didn't want to abandon his friend.
Sam stayed with his friend as they marched into a land where almost everything in it wanted them dead.
Even after being told to fuck off, Sam returned to save Frodo from a spider the size of a dump truck using a glowing blue sword and a bottle of water. He then proceeded to infiltrate a tower full of warriors twice his size, kill a few, and rescue Frodo. Despite suffering from malnutrition, dehydration, and exhaustion, Sam carried Frodo up the slopes of Mt. Doom, fought off Gollum twice, then saved his life by convincing him not to let go, and pulling him up to safety. Samwise Gamgee is one of the most heroic characters around in any medium. Just because he doesn't wear black spiky armor, swear a lot, and murder people for fun doesn't mean he isn't a badass. And you know what? Merry, Pippin, and Frodo aren't far behind him. They were all instrumental in Sauron's final defeat, despite being simple small folk who mostly looked forward to the next good meal.
Your ideas of what courage and heroism mean are like those of a child.
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Solar Prophet said what more of what I was thinking internally. I tried to be more gentle about it all. Also agree 100% that Sam really is one of the most heroic characters around, period, the end.
This is the most fun thread I've seen on these forums in a while.
I totally get where the OP is coming from. I'm an old fashioned guy. Seeing grown men, even half sized ones, whine and cry makes me cringe. Frodo is just a horrible character. I notice it's a common trend in cinema to make the main character bland and whiny and put the more interesting personalities on the surrounding cast. I don't remember them being quite so effeminate in the books, but that was long ago.
All complaints aside, Sam earned his badass badge with the spider. Sam was dumb as a rock, but courage and stupidity often overlap, so it worked in his favor.
If the world had been relying on me to fight a giant spider, we'd all be kneeling to Sauron now.
I think reading the books before watching the movies gives you a different perspective.
personally i have found doing it the other way around more enjoyable. If i watch the movie first i will like it, then read the book and see how bad ass that story really is !
when i read the book first then watch the movie, the movie is normally not as good.
So 2 guys just marched across the entire land, into the heart of evil.. for the purpose of destroying the ultimate Ring, knowing that doing so would Doom them to die... and that's not heroic?
No thats heroic as it comes, but 2 guys marching across thew entire land and into the heart of evil AND THEN RUBBING HEADS TOGETHER AND CRYING in this fashion is over the top ...... Like i said maybe it was the acting, Maybe elijah wood and sam wise were just too soft for my taste
So you are saying that two men crying is weak? I think you're the one who's soft. Emotionally soft.
I should point out that when my cousin died, a marine, his friends, also marines, cried at his wake. Some pretty tough guys. I wonder if you could explain to them how they are soft? I'm sure they would be very willing to listen.
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I understand where you guys are coming from and it sounds like you are huge Tolkien fans which is fine. Maybe i just "Don't get it" which is fine as well. For me though, The whole vibe of the hobbits made the movies borderline impossible to watch, Like i said their weakness was nauseating to watch . Maybe it was the acting of Elijah Wood & Sean Austin that turned me off, cause i felt the bilbo baggins newer movies with martin freeman acting were a bit better, He wasn't a total bitch.
Start reading the books I'd say and start with The Hobbit (then LotR en if you still want, The Books of Lost Tales series and Silmarillion), the story where it all started. n the 1st chapter Tolkien explains what hobbits are and how they live their lives. The fact that Bilbo went on an adventure and left The Shire with 12 dwarfs was already an accomplishment on it's own...
Yups, Hobbits are not a heroic people at all. Like I said before, read the books. Books are always better than movies, and while Peter Jackson did a good job on the LotR, The Hobbit he totally screwed up and added tons of stuff that's not there at all.
Keep in mind that The Hobbit is only around 300 pages and it still baffles me that Peter managed to make 9 hours of film from it, while The Lord of the Rings is 6 parts total, also around 300 pages each (and bundled per 2 parts, making the famous trilogy) and he managed to get 9 hours of movie from that as well...
Actually it's you that has it wrong. You do understand that not only are gnomes a different thing in tolkien, there are MANY beings considered to be in the realm of halflings, gnomes, etc. With lots of different names. You should do some research on mythology and fables.
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sorry to disagree (na, kidding, i love disagreeing), but tolkien did what tolkien did.
and imo the hobbits are a quite unique approach to the halfing theme.
they are no little buggers, they are basicaly the hippies of halflings.
they are chilled, don't like too much action, love to farm and have decent parties with all their families, they aren't fighters or explorers, they simply are NO BLOODY MMO CLASS by design.
anyway, enough of us love em, exactly how they are, and after the baggins incident, i guess some of the younger hobbits went on to their own adventure (most likely not alot tho).
those might be the hobbits you see in LotR online i'd guess
anyway, GRR Tolkien did nothing wrong on hobbits, they make lord of the rings great, bc the whole point of the story is: don't let society tell you what to do. do what needs to be done. and if no one else is there to do it, suck it up, buttercake, the choice falls on you!
uh, but if you wanna talk bout kenders for example (the other extrem in halfling behaviour), i totaly love em too! so.... just tell me if i should comment on them
and for the record, i did NOT steal that item, it was lying around, i merely saved it wrong being stolen by taking it first so i would know where it is!
ps: curiosity killed the kender.
"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"
The fact is the Lord of Rings should always have been read and while watching the films enriches the whole experience it will never overtake or fulfil you like the books can. There are so many things that happen and insights and tidbits that will be completely lost to you OP. You have seriously been deprived of a great experience that will never be recovered because you already watched the films. You can never go back.
Of course, in those books, they are dealing with hobbits from the shire. Basically an agrarian community. A bunch of tight-knit family oriented farmers. Yeah, not exactly a lot of strapping warriors chomping at the bit to go battle the forces of evil in places like those, so you really shouldn't be surprised at the lack of enthusiasm they show towards the prospects of the so called 'adventures'.
Heck, do that in any races community with a similar profile and you'll have pretty much the same results, though they will tend to be taller, and have a few less meal periods. Though to be honest, I'm pretty sure those guys were just screwing with the non-hobbits when they listed all the 'meals' out.
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This is like saying they built the coliseum wrong, because it totally didn't have electrical outlets or modern day insulation, etc.
You wouldn't be playing gnomes or halflings in games if Tolkien didn't make hobbits. Okay, that's not absolute, perhaps someone along the way would have done something similar in the fantasy genre, but Tolkien pretty much created Fantasy as we know it today.
You're comparing something at it's genesis to something after decades of evolution and refinement by countless others who built upon the foundation developed by Tolkien.
In short, you're being silly.
I have been in many an MMO where people have rolled slight characters trying to minimize there target profile. It is a choice and a play style. I ask that it be recognized for that and accepted, so we can all just move on and play.
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Mom: We don't talk to Priests.
As if it could exist, without being payed for.
F2P means you get what you paid for. Pay nothing, get nothing.
Even telemarketers wouldn't think that.
It costs money to play. Therefore P2W.
It actually does take courage to show your true emotions to others and to tell them how you really do feel about them. Heroic, could be argued over I suppose but it is heroic to try to lift your friend's spirits up as you are both sitting and waiting to die.
I know a lot of male culture is based on grunting and always being tough, ALWAYS. But in reality men have emotions also and they should be allowed to express them as well. Now Hobbits in particular to me at least are depicted as being very emotional and affectionate past what we humans are. So how they act really isn't too far off if you turn on your suspension of disbelief.
I am rambling now but to me when they show a really manly man manliest of men character who is stoic, strong, what have you and he says how he really feels or has tears in his eyes it can be the most powerful of moments. Someone who is not prone to acting in such ways showing his real emotions he keeps inside most of the time is moving.
have you actually read the books?
curious because from my memory it is chock full of heroic hobbits..
*spoilers below
Frodo takies on the Ringwraths on Weathertop.and gets stabbed for his trouble
Sam kills Shelob
Merry along with Eowyn fights and kills the Witch King of Angmar
Merry and Pippin leave the trail that leads to the destruction of the Orcs who killed Boromir,
Pippin stallskills grishnakh the Uruk long enough when he tries to kill them
Pippin stands up to Denethor after he goes madand tries to kill everyone
the entirepopulation of the shire rises up and stage a revolution killing both Wormtongue and Saruman..
for orry ass mother*&&^....' they go alright
also welcome to discuussing ' nerd stuff' with nerds:p
A tiny bit of additional history/reference for you on a related but a slightly take on how different the behaviour of Frodo and Sam seem in lotr. Tolkien himself expressed some reservations and concerns over the Frodo/Sam dynamic as it was in the books. As he himself stated it was an attempt to put into writing a relationship dynamic that was almost extinct/dying out at the time..
that of the Caring Master/Loyal Servant dynamic.
Which unfortunately by the time LOTR was published in the 1950s.he regretted having written it that way as he felt modern audiences completely failed to understand it as they had never encountered anything like it in their modern day to day lives..
Very good point. I grew up reading fiction written in the late 1800s early 1900s: Verne, HG Wells, Stevenson, Arthur Conan Doyle. The Caring Master/Loyal Servant dynamic or the similar leader/follower friends dynamic (as was the case with Holmes and Watson) were staples in fiction from that era.
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Yeah, expressing gratitude to a friend for choosing to stay by your side during what could be your last moments alive is totally for pussies, right?
Sam literally walked into a river knowing he'd probably drown simply because he didn't want to abandon his friend.
Sam stayed with his friend as they marched into a land where almost everything in it wanted them dead.
Even after being told to fuck off, Sam returned to save Frodo from a spider the size of a dump truck using a glowing blue sword and a bottle of water. He then proceeded to infiltrate a tower full of warriors twice his size, kill a few, and rescue Frodo.
Despite suffering from malnutrition, dehydration, and exhaustion, Sam carried Frodo up the slopes of Mt. Doom, fought off Gollum twice, then saved his life by convincing him not to let go, and pulling him up to safety.
Samwise Gamgee is one of the most heroic characters around in any medium. Just because he doesn't wear black spiky armor, swear a lot, and murder people for fun doesn't mean he isn't a badass. And you know what? Merry, Pippin, and Frodo aren't far behind him. They were all instrumental in Sauron's final defeat, despite being simple small folk who mostly looked forward to the next good meal.
Your ideas of what courage and heroism mean are like those of a child.
AN' DERE AIN'T NO SUCH FING AS ENUFF DAKKA, YA GROT! Enuff'z more than ya got an' less than too much an' there ain't no such fing as too much dakka. Say dere is, and me Squiggoff'z eatin' tonight!
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I totally get where the OP is coming from. I'm an old fashioned guy. Seeing grown men, even half sized ones, whine and cry makes me cringe.
Frodo is just a horrible character. I notice it's a common trend in cinema to make the main character bland and whiny and put the more interesting personalities on the surrounding cast. I don't remember them being quite so effeminate in the books, but that was long ago.
All complaints aside, Sam earned his badass badge with the spider. Sam was dumb as a rock, but courage and stupidity often overlap, so it worked in his favor.
If the world had been relying on me to fight a giant spider, we'd all be kneeling to Sauron now.
personally i have found doing it the other way around more enjoyable. If i watch the movie first i will like it, then read the book and see how bad ass that story really is !
when i read the book first then watch the movie, the movie is normally not as good.
I should point out that when my cousin died, a marine, his friends, also marines, cried at his wake. Some pretty tough guys. I wonder if you could explain to them how they are soft? I'm sure they would be very willing to listen.
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Start reading the books I'd say and start with The Hobbit (then LotR en if you still want, The Books of Lost Tales series and Silmarillion), the story where it all started. n the 1st chapter Tolkien explains what hobbits are and how they live their lives. The fact that Bilbo went on an adventure and left The Shire with 12 dwarfs was already an accomplishment on it's own...
Yups, Hobbits are not a heroic people at all. Like I said before, read the books. Books are always better than movies, and while Peter Jackson did a good job on the LotR, The Hobbit he totally screwed up and added tons of stuff that's not there at all.
Keep in mind that The Hobbit is only around 300 pages and it still baffles me that Peter managed to make 9 hours of film from it, while The Lord of the Rings is 6 parts total, also around 300 pages each (and bundled per 2 parts, making the famous trilogy) and he managed to get 9 hours of movie from that as well...