Pvp was not a feature, more like a bypass: on a couple times (I know only of two occasions) GMs dropped chickens into Ettenmoors. Never been there myself, but as I've heard it was massive
I think creeps were 60 at that time... not that it mattered, the group above attempted a similar run against goblins, and that was like a brick wall, so anything above level 10 is lethal to the chickens.
Well i am not going to be able to continue to respond as i had no idea some would be so personally offended by this post. From being called a child to comparing sam & frodo's adventure to real life US serviceman (which i have the highest respect for). At the end of the day this is just my opinion and as one other person said maybe im just old fashioned. This was suppose to be a fun little thread to have some laughs in not something where people were going to get emotionally wounded by my comments lol Not my intention.
Just remember these are FICTIONAL Characters we are talking about...... No need to bring real life into this discussion.
Well, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend you. But it just seemed that you were going for more than just two characters in a book but really saying that men, who are people, shouldn't cry because they is soft and weak.
Could be the father who cries because his daughter has a horrible disease or the son who cries because their mother, who sacrificed herself so that her family could make it day by day is on her death bed.
However, if that was not the case and you really are just honing in on two characters then "yeah" they aren't warriors, they are two people who were thrust into a situation they didn't want to be in and they knew they were going to die and when it was all over, just to be alive and to actually have succeeded when they thought they couldn't would most likely cause such a physical release as to cause them to cry.
In any case it wasn't my intention to make you uncomfortable in your own thread so I apologize for that.
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Ok, I'm not just replying to you. Several people in this thread have equated "farming", "rural", "agrarian" with being peaceful or non-violent. I know I'm going off on a bit of a tangent but that thinking is contrary to all of recorded human history.
Since the Neolithic until recent times the vast majority of the human population has been involved in agriculture in one way or another. Yet, those people still found the time to fight wars with each other. The pre-Roman Celts were an agrarian society but they would happily grab their weapons and run off to fight a rival group if they had some reason.
Just saying.
As far as the LoTR movies go, I didn't like them. They had way too much of a...um...a cartoony vibe to them for my tastes. I'm not sure if that's exactly the right word to use but the action scenes in particular tended to have an over the top ridiculous quality to them that really put me off.
I always thought the hobbits were a great people. Why do you think Gandalf placed so much trust in them? Not mention Bilbo ended up being quite the little badass and Frodo saved the world.
The whole point was to show even the smallest person can make all the difference. No matter how they are perceived.
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Well i am not going to be able to continue to respond as i had no idea some would be so personally offended by this post. From being called a child to comparing sam & frodo's adventure to real life US serviceman (which i have the highest respect for). At the end of the day this is just my opinion and as one other person said maybe im just old fashioned. This was suppose to be a fun little thread to have some laughs in not something where people were going to get emotionally wounded by my comments lol Not my intention.
Just remember these are FICTIONAL Characters we are talking about...... No need to bring real life into this discussion.
Well mate, in all fairness what did you expect to happen? Saying Tolkien did it wrong to hardcore RPG and RP fans is pretty much like to walk into Vatican and say Jesus did it wrong!:)
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hobbits are more than capable fighters. there are several instances (from the books) of them fighting orcs and winning. also, four basically random hobbits with no combat training went into adventure which they not only survived, but thrived in. and before you say Frodo got perma-damaged. Frodo literally *ascended to heavens*.
sure, in movies they were show as going from "pathetic cowering little creatures" to "indomitable wizardfracking backstabbers" so that general population gets idea of hero's journey. but some apparently still don't get it.
Ok, I'm not just replying to you. Several people in this thread have equated "farming", "rural", "agrarian" with being peaceful or non-violent. I know I'm going off on a bit of a tangent but that thinking is contrary to all of recorded human history.
Since the Neolithic until recent times the vast majority of the human population has been involved in agriculture in one way or another. Yet, those people still found the time to fight wars with each other. The pre-Roman Celts were an agrarian society but they would happily grab their weapons and run off to fight a rival group if they had some reason.
Just saying.
As far as the LoTR movies go, I didn't like them. They had way too much of a...um...a cartoony vibe to them for my tastes. I'm not sure if that's exactly the right word to use but the action scenes in particular tended to have an over the top ridiculous quality to them that really put me off.
I'm going to respectfully disagree with you. See you are mistaking people who at heart are warriors, or people that want to wage war ,but need to work a farm in order to survive, with people that want to work on a farm and leave the warring to others. Being Farming Folk, means you enjoy where you are, and don't fill your head with illusions of running off and joining the army to see the world and fight epic battles.
While I will agree with others that "Hobbits" would for the most part make horrible choices for an Adventuring Race in a Fantasy game, that does not mean they do't have courage when and were it counts.
Ok, I'm not just replying to you. Several people in this thread have equated "farming", "rural", "agrarian" with being peaceful or non-violent. I know I'm going off on a bit of a tangent but that thinking is contrary to all of recorded human history.
Since the Neolithic until recent times the vast majority of the human population has been involved in agriculture in one way or another. Yet, those people still found the time to fight wars with each other. The pre-Roman Celts were an agrarian society but they would happily grab their weapons and run off to fight a rival group if they had some reason.
Just saying.
As far as the LoTR movies go, I didn't like them. They had way too much of a...um...a cartoony vibe to them for my tastes. I'm not sure if that's exactly the right word to use but the action scenes in particular tended to have an over the top ridiculous quality to them that really put me off.
I'm going to respectfully disagree with you. See you are mistaking people who at heart are warriors, or people that want to wage war ,but need to work a farm in order to survive, with people that want to work on a farm and leave the warring to others. Being Farming Folk, means you enjoy where you are, and don't fill your head with illusions of running off and joining the army to see the world and fight epic battles.
While I will agree with others that "Hobbits" would for the most part make horrible choices for an Adventuring Race in a Fantasy game, that does not mean they do't have courage when and were it counts.
The way I read his post is there are some anthropological theories that, prior to the Neolithic revolution, there would have been no reason to wage war because the concept of land ownership hadn't yet been established. Thus agriculture is theoretically tied to warfare.
It makes sense conceptually but I can't say whether it holds up to observation. Wars seem more ideological than anything else these days, but that could just be a sign of the times.
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Hobbit in Hobbiton were a simple and good people. The further east you went the more corrupted by Man they became.
You are generalizing too much anyway. I'm sure for every sneaky assassins in the worlds you mentioned, there were dozens of simple little people that were bakers, innkeepers, farmers and such that simply weren't mentioned
It's okay. I find all these midgets races obnoxious.
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Ok, I'm not just replying to you. Several people in this thread have equated "farming", "rural", "agrarian" with being peaceful or non-violent. I know I'm going off on a bit of a tangent but that thinking is contrary to all of recorded human history.
Since the Neolithic until recent times the vast majority of the human population has been involved in agriculture in one way or another. Yet, those people still found the time to fight wars with each other. The pre-Roman Celts were an agrarian society but they would happily grab their weapons and run off to fight a rival group if they had some reason.
Just saying.
As far as the LoTR movies go, I didn't like them. They had way too much of a...um...a cartoony vibe to them for my tastes. I'm not sure if that's exactly the right word to use but the action scenes in particular tended to have an over the top ridiculous quality to them that really put me off.
I'm going to respectfully disagree with you. See you are mistaking people who at heart are warriors, or people that want to wage war ,but need to work a farm in order to survive, with people that want to work on a farm and leave the warring to others. Being Farming Folk, means you enjoy where you are, and don't fill your head with illusions of running off and joining the army to see the world and fight epic battles.
While I will agree with others that "Hobbits" would for the most part make horrible choices for an Adventuring Race in a Fantasy game, that does not mean they do't have courage when and were it counts.
The way I read his post is there are some anthropological theories that, prior to the Neolithic revolution, there would have been no reason to wage war because the concept of land ownership hadn't yet been established. Thus agriculture is theoretically tied to warfare.
It makes sense conceptually but I can't say whether it holds up to observation. Wars seem more ideological than anything else these days, but that could just be a sign of the times.
Actually, the one simple point I was trying to get across is that people who farm or raise livestock are not automatically peaceful and gentle. Human history supports me in this because until relatively modern times the vast majority of people you would find in any army were farmers when they weren't fighting wars or they grew up on farms.
That's not to say that farmers are all bloodthirsty killers either. No, what I'm saying is that there is no correlation between an agrarian lifestyle and a persons willingness to go off to war or his/her predisposition towards violence.
Ok, I'm not just replying to you. Several people in this thread have equated "farming", "rural", "agrarian" with being peaceful or non-violent. I know I'm going off on a bit of a tangent but that thinking is contrary to all of recorded human history.
Since the Neolithic until recent times the vast majority of the human population has been involved in agriculture in one way or another. Yet, those people still found the time to fight wars with each other. The pre-Roman Celts were an agrarian society but they would happily grab their weapons and run off to fight a rival group if they had some reason.
Just saying.
As far as the LoTR movies go, I didn't like them. They had way too much of a...um...a cartoony vibe to them for my tastes. I'm not sure if that's exactly the right word to use but the action scenes in particular tended to have an over the top ridiculous quality to them that really put me off.
I'm going to respectfully disagree with you. See you are mistaking people who at heart are warriors, or people that want to wage war ,but need to work a farm in order to survive, with people that want to work on a farm and leave the warring to others. Being Farming Folk, means you enjoy where you are, and don't fill your head with illusions of running off and joining the army to see the world and fight epic battles.
While I will agree with others that "Hobbits" would for the most part make horrible choices for an Adventuring Race in a Fantasy game, that does not mean they do't have courage when and were it counts.
The way I read his post is there are some anthropological theories that, prior to the Neolithic revolution, there would have been no reason to wage war because the concept of land ownership hadn't yet been established. Thus agriculture is theoretically tied to warfare.
It makes sense conceptually but I can't say whether it holds up to observation. Wars seem more ideological than anything else these days, but that could just be a sign of the times.
Actually, the one simple point I was trying to get across is that people who farm or raise livestock are not automatically peaceful and gentle. Human history supports me in this because until relatively modern times the vast majority of people you would find in any army were farmers when they weren't fighting wars or they grew up on farms.
That's not to say that farmers are all bloodthirsty killers either. No, what I'm saying is that there is no correlation between an agrarian lifestyle and a persons willingness to go off to war or his/her predisposition towards violence.
Agreed
It's all about competition for resources. Farmed, hunted or gathered.
This makes me want to watch LOTR, and The Hobbit again.
I said in a earlier post the bilbo baggins movies were much better, Im not sure if it was martin freemans acting or just the bilbo character in general but it was wayyyyy better than the original movies portrayal of hobbits, IN MY VIEW/OPINION not tolkiens or anyone else's of course.
Well, I think it's Bilbo's character, but it's also Peter Jackson's interpretation based on the books. So you're saying you didn't like Merry or Pippin either? First, did you watch all of the Lord of the Rings? Or did you just focus on Frodo and Sam? Remember Smeagol/Gollum was a Stoor Hobbit, it shows that not all hobbits are the same.
As he said, you and developers think one dimensional. The only reason no one wants to roleplay is because there is zero incentive. When I was growing up, roleplaying was fun and entertaining, not hard. Perhaps one day a game developer will reward people for roleplaying. Imagine a game where you don't need 100's of useless scripted NPCs to fill up the dead space in your world. You could have real players do it, non scripted, and get paid so to speak, to do it.
For example. Let's say you as a developer devise a way to reward good behavior or good roleplaying. Would that not only improve your game world but also entice people to play your game? Rewards could be special or unique apparel, depending on how much roleplaying points you have invested. The more you roleplay, the more spectacular the incentives.
This already exists on countless NWN and NWN2 servers. That said I didn't say anything about roleplay, I was speaking completely about class usefulness.
There are plenty who roleplay in games like ESO, LOTRO, etc... Hence I never understand the phrase "no one wants to roleplay". No reward needed.... As finding a good RP community/guild is a reward in itself in my eyes.
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I knew i was going to get beat up for posting this lol
Yeah, the wording of the title gets's people (myself included) a bit riled. I took the time to read through the first few pages and ended up getting what you were saying. So I don't feel the need to reiterate what has been said on both sides of the discussion.
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This guy is just bad troll in my opinion. Why you even speak with him?
*sigh* because if you actually read the thread he (she, no idea) is not trolling. Just stating an opinion, albeit a poor choice of words in some cases but just an opinion.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
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I have read his opinion. he is just repeating same bs around and posting pictures, trying to make this little ones looks stupid. That's all he does. if someone start thread like this and continue in way he does, seems like trolling to me. Not mention, we are speaking about one of biggest fantasy saga ever written and some cowboy from little village is telling like Tolkien did it wrong? Common. Fan/not fan, its just stupid. The Hobbit was published 21 September 1937. I would say, all the game developer, even the desktop games took those characters from him, not vice versa, so if we will take like hobbits are gnomes, what am not even sure, originally they should be good. Not mention that that guy seems to me like not really bright from his comments, maybe he is just young. This is my opinion. Am not posting anymore to this troll discussion.
I have read his opinion. he is just repeating same bs around and posting pictures, trying to make this little ones looks stupid. That's all he does. if someone start thread like this and continue in way he does, seems like trolling to me. Not mention, we are speaking about one of biggest fantasy saga ever written and some cowboy from little village is telling like Tolkien did it wrong? Common. Fan/not fan, its just stupid. The Hobbit was published 21 September 1937. I would say, all the game developer, even the desktop games took those characters from him, not vice versa, so if we will take like hobbits are gnomes, what am not even sure, originally they should be good. Not mention that that guy seems to me like not really bright from his comments. This is my opinion. Am not posting anymore to this troll discussion.
So you're saying one can not legitimately dislike Tolkien's work?
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I have read his opinion. he is just repeating same bs around and posting pictures, trying to make this little ones looks stupid. That's all he does. if someone start thread like this and continue in way he does, seems like trolling to me. Not mention, we are speaking about one of biggest fantasy saga ever written and some cowboy from little village is telling like Tolkien did it wrong? Common. Fan/not fan, its just stupid. The Hobbit was published 21 September 1937. I would say, all the game developer, even the desktop games took those characters from him, not vice versa, so if we will take like hobbits are gnomes, what am not even sure, originally they should be good. Not mention that that guy seems to me like not really bright from his comments. This is my opinion. Am not posting anymore to this troll discussion.
So you're saying one can not legitimately dislike Tolkien's work?
Sure you can dislike Tolkien's work. That's not what am saying. But you know that, don't you
I have read his opinion. he is just repeating same bs around and posting pictures, trying to make this little ones looks stupid. That's all he does. if someone start thread like this and continue in way he does, seems like trolling to me. Not mention, we are speaking about one of biggest fantasy saga ever written and some cowboy from little village is telling like Tolkien did it wrong? Common. Fan/not fan, its just stupid. The Hobbit was published 21 September 1937. I would say, all the game developer, even the desktop games took those characters from him, not vice versa, so if we will take like hobbits are gnomes, what am not even sure, originally they should be good. Not mention that that guy seems to me like not really bright from his comments. This is my opinion. Am not posting anymore to this troll discussion.
So you're saying one can not legitimately dislike Tolkien's work?
Sure you can dislike Tolkien's work. That's not what am saying. But you know that, don't you
Yeah I just figured I'd get you to post more in this discussion..
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I think creeps were 60 at that time... not that it mattered, the group above attempted a similar run against goblins, and that was like a brick wall, so anything above level 10 is lethal to the chickens.
Well, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend you. But it just seemed that you were going for more than just two characters in a book but really saying that men, who are people, shouldn't cry because they is soft and weak.
Could be the father who cries because his daughter has a horrible disease or the son who cries because their mother, who sacrificed herself so that her family could make it day by day is on her death bed.
However, if that was not the case and you really are just honing in on two characters then "yeah" they aren't warriors, they are two people who were thrust into a situation they didn't want to be in and they knew they were going to die and when it was all over, just to be alive and to actually have succeeded when they thought they couldn't would most likely cause such a physical release as to cause them to cry.
In any case it wasn't my intention to make you uncomfortable in your own thread so I apologize for that.
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Ok, I'm not just replying to you. Several people in this thread have equated "farming", "rural", "agrarian" with being peaceful or non-violent. I know I'm going off on a bit of a tangent but that thinking is contrary to all of recorded human history.
Since the Neolithic until recent times the vast majority of the human population has been involved in agriculture in one way or another. Yet, those people still found the time to fight wars with each other. The pre-Roman Celts were an agrarian society but they would happily grab their weapons and run off to fight a rival group if they had some reason.
Just saying.
As far as the LoTR movies go, I didn't like them. They had way too much of a...um...a cartoony vibe to them for my tastes. I'm not sure if that's exactly the right word to use but the action scenes in particular tended to have an over the top ridiculous quality to them that really put me off.
The whole point was to show even the smallest person can make all the difference. No matter how they are perceived.
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Well mate, in all fairness what did you expect to happen? Saying Tolkien did it wrong to hardcore RPG and RP fans is pretty much like to walk into Vatican and say Jesus did it wrong!:)
sure, in movies they were show as going from "pathetic cowering little creatures" to "indomitable wizardfracking backstabbers" so that general population gets idea of hero's journey. but some apparently still don't get it.
yes, hobbits are badass.
I'm going to respectfully disagree with you. See you are mistaking people who at heart are warriors, or people that want to wage war ,but need to work a farm in order to survive, with people that want to work on a farm and leave the warring to others. Being Farming Folk, means you enjoy where you are, and don't fill your head with illusions of running off and joining the army to see the world and fight epic battles.
While I will agree with others that "Hobbits" would for the most part make horrible choices for an Adventuring Race in a Fantasy game, that does not mean they do't have courage when and were it counts.
The way I read his post is there are some anthropological theories that, prior to the Neolithic revolution, there would have been no reason to wage war because the concept of land ownership hadn't yet been established. Thus agriculture is theoretically tied to warfare.
It makes sense conceptually but I can't say whether it holds up to observation. Wars seem more ideological than anything else these days, but that could just be a sign of the times.
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You are generalizing too much anyway. I'm sure for every sneaky assassins in the worlds you mentioned, there were dozens of simple little people that were bakers, innkeepers, farmers and such that simply weren't mentioned
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Actually, the one simple point I was trying to get across is that people who farm or raise livestock are not automatically peaceful and gentle. Human history supports me in this because until relatively modern times the vast majority of people you would find in any army were farmers when they weren't fighting wars or they grew up on farms.
That's not to say that farmers are all bloodthirsty killers either. No, what I'm saying is that there is no correlation between an agrarian lifestyle and a persons willingness to go off to war or his/her predisposition towards violence.
Agreed
It's all about competition for resources. Farmed, hunted or gathered.
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This already exists on countless NWN and NWN2 servers. That said I didn't say anything about roleplay, I was speaking completely about class usefulness.
There are plenty who roleplay in games like ESO, LOTRO, etc... Hence I never understand the phrase "no one wants to roleplay". No reward needed.... As finding a good RP community/guild is a reward in itself in my eyes.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
So you're saying one can not legitimately dislike Tolkien's work?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Sure you can dislike Tolkien's work. That's not what am saying. But you know that, don't you
Yeah I just figured I'd get you to post more in this discussion..
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson