Originally posted by J0kerr1 As for Catholics, Gay is a sin. The pope says so. If you don't beleive the pope you are not a Catholic. If you disagree with your religion get out. No one forces in it.
Well put.
Also if you leave your religion, it won't change what the pope says.
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
As a christian, i have read the Bible, and to the other person that said the Bible could be changed over time, i have to disagree to that point. The Bible is a very important book to Christians, if it could be changed then how can our religion still continue? Also, the Bible was strictly supervised when translated, copied or told. But most important, why would God let his own words be changed over time? Humans can change, but God will not change. Remember that please.
For those who are trying to presaude people that homosexuality is not a sin. Shame on you.
God created MAN and WOMAN for a purpose. Homosexuality is just for pure pleasure because only man and woman can reproduce. Some might say, it's ok because it's LOVE, but love is a very self centered word. and some might agree because they simply don't care.
Again, i am not racist again Homosexuals or anything, but saying it's not a sin is WRONG.
To reavo (starter of this thread), you say your religion allows it, ok. But what if another religion says Raping others and Killing is fine? Your religion is complete nonsense. Your post is misleading and should be deleted.
Originally posted by AhLaw379 Homosexuality IS A SIN.
As a christian, i have read the Bible, and to the other person that said the Bible could be changed over time, i have to disagree to that point. The Bible is a very important book to Christians, if it could be changed then how can our religion still continue? Also, the Bible was strictly supervised when translated, copied or told. But most important, why would God let his own words be changed over time? Humans can change, but God will not change. Remember that please.
For those who are trying to presaude people that homosexuality is not a sin. Shame on you.
God created MAN and WOMAN for a purpose. Homosexuality is just for pure pleasure because only man and woman can reproduce. Some might say, it's ok because it's LOVE, but love is a very self centered word. and some might agree because they simply don't care.
Again, i am not racist again Homosexuals or anything, but saying it's not a sin is WRONG.
To reavo (starter of this thread), you say your religion allows it, ok. But what if another religion says Raping others and Killing is fine? Your religion is complete nonsense. Your post is misleading and should be deleted.
Hmmm... another angry uneducated christian... You'd be suprised how many times the bible has been re-written to fit the needs of kings/political figureheads throughout history. Read up on it.
You may say it is wrong, you may say it is a sin, but truth be told, if the person is outside of your religion, he doesn't consider it a sin, and therefore is not one.
Oh, and how can you compare homosexuality to raping and killing? How about this, your religion is complete nonsense. How stupid does that sound? Fairly arrogant too.
Originally posted by Blurr Originally posted by J0kerr1 As for Catholics, Gay is a sin. The pope says so. If you don't beleive the pope you are not a Catholic. If you disagree with your religion get out. No one forces in it.
Well put.
Also if you leave your religion, it won't change what the pope says.
Originally posted by Xexima Originally posted by AhLaw379 Homosexuality IS A SIN.
As a christian, i have read the Bible, and to the other person that said the Bible could be changed over time, i have to disagree to that point. The Bible is a very important book to Christians, if it could be changed then how can our religion still continue? Also, the Bible was strictly supervised when translated, copied or told. But most important, why would God let his own words be changed over time? Humans can change, but God will not change. Remember that please.
For those who are trying to presaude people that homosexuality is not a sin. Shame on you.
God created MAN and WOMAN for a purpose. Homosexuality is just for pure pleasure because only man and woman can reproduce. Some might say, it's ok because it's LOVE, but love is a very self centered word. and some might agree because they simply don't care.
Again, i am not racist again Homosexuals or anything, but saying it's not a sin is WRONG.
To reavo (starter of this thread), you say your religion allows it, ok. But what if another religion says Raping others and Killing is fine? Your religion is complete nonsense. Your post is misleading and should be deleted.
Hmmm... another angry uneducated christian... You'd be suprised how many times the bible has been re-written to fit the needs of kings/political figureheads throughout history. Read up on it.
You may say it is wrong, you may say it is a sin, but truth be told, if the person is outside of your religion, he doesn't consider it a sin, and therefore is not one.
Oh, and how can you compare homosexuality to raping and killing? How about this, your religion is complete nonsense. How stupid does that sound? Fairly arrogant too.
Uneducated Christian? The pope says it is a sin. If you are a christian it is a sin.
Originally posted by AhLaw379 As a christian, i have read the Bible, and to the other person that said the Bible could be changed over time, i have to disagree to that point. The Bible is a very important book to Christians, if it could be changed then how can our religion still continue? Also, the Bible was strictly supervised when translated, copied or told. But most important, why would God let his own words be changed over time? Humans can change, but God will not change. Remember that please.
It has been changed, multiple times. Do you know how the new testament was formed? A Roman counsel got together, long after Jesus and his apostles died, and they VOTED on what portion of the apostles writings would be kept. That which they rejected, they burned every copy they could fin. The bible may have once represented the pure word of god, but it was still written and rewritten by man. It inevitably will deviate from its original message.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. Hemingway
Originally posted by Xexima Joker.. did you even read my post? thats not what i was talking about. If you want to put your entire religion into the hands of one man, fine by me.
Umm....thats what most religions do. They beleive that they have a leader who has a connection with their god. If you disagree with that, well, you don't belong to those religions. Simple.
Originally posted by Aelfinn Originally posted by AhLaw379 As a christian, i have read the Bible, and to the other person that said the Bible could be changed over time, i have to disagree to that point. The Bible is a very important book to Christians, if it could be changed then how can our religion still continue? Also, the Bible was strictly supervised when translated, copied or told. But most important, why would God let his own words be changed over time? Humans can change, but God will not change. Remember that please.
It has been changed, multiple times. Do you know how the new testament was formed? A Roman counsel got together, long after Jesus and his apostles died, and they VOTED on what portion of the apostles writings would be kept. That which they rejected, they burned every copy they could fin. The bible may have once represented the pure word of god, but it was still written and rewritten by man. It inevitably will deviate from its original message.
And according to Christians, the pope has a direct connection with god. He says gay is a sin. If you are a christian you beleive that or you are not a christian, or at least not a good one.
Originally posted by Xexima Originally posted by AhLaw379 Homosexuality IS A SIN.
As a christian, i have read the Bible, and to the other person that said the Bible could be changed over time, i have to disagree to that point. The Bible is a very important book to Christians, if it could be changed then how can our religion still continue? Also, the Bible was strictly supervised when translated, copied or told. But most important, why would God let his own words be changed over time? Humans can change, but God will not change. Remember that please.
For those who are trying to presaude people that homosexuality is not a sin. Shame on you.
God created MAN and WOMAN for a purpose. Homosexuality is just for pure pleasure because only man and woman can reproduce. Some might say, it's ok because it's LOVE, but love is a very self centered word. and some might agree because they simply don't care.
Again, i am not racist again Homosexuals or anything, but saying it's not a sin is WRONG.
To reavo (starter of this thread), you say your religion allows it, ok. But what if another religion says Raping others and Killing is fine? Your religion is complete nonsense. Your post is misleading and should be deleted.
Hmmm... another angry uneducated christian... You'd be suprised how many times the bible has been re-written to fit the needs of kings/political figureheads throughout history. Read up on it.
You may say it is wrong, you may say it is a sin, but truth be told, if the person is outside of your religion, he doesn't consider it a sin, and therefore is not one.
Oh, and how can you compare homosexuality to raping and killing? How about this, your religion is complete nonsense. How stupid does that sound? Fairly arrogant too.
Like i said, why would God let his own words be changed? To non-believers, they might not believe what i am saying. But considering what i said earlier, God made man and woman for a reason.
and I ain't comparing Raping and Killing to Homosexuality, i am saying religions these days can allow anything they want because they are making up stupid rules and saying it's ok. I can say Man with Animal can be ok if i create a new religion right? I might sound arrogant, i applogize because it's sad to see how the world changes with these people posting nonsense on forums.
you are now confusing me, I'm agnostic, I don't do that, in fact I don't even believe in any religions... What I was saying is that he is uneducated about his own religion... that was the point I was trying to convey.
Originally posted by AhLaw379 Originally posted by Xexima Originally posted by AhLaw379 Homosexuality IS A SIN.
As a christian, i have read the Bible, and to the other person that said the Bible could be changed over time, i have to disagree to that point. The Bible is a very important book to Christians, if it could be changed then how can our religion still continue? Also, the Bible was strictly supervised when translated, copied or told. But most important, why would God let his own words be changed over time? Humans can change, but God will not change. Remember that please.
For those who are trying to presaude people that homosexuality is not a sin. Shame on you.
God created MAN and WOMAN for a purpose. Homosexuality is just for pure pleasure because only man and woman can reproduce. Some might say, it's ok because it's LOVE, but love is a very self centered word. and some might agree because they simply don't care.
Again, i am not racist again Homosexuals or anything, but saying it's not a sin is WRONG.
To reavo (starter of this thread), you say your religion allows it, ok. But what if another religion says Raping others and Killing is fine? Your religion is complete nonsense. Your post is misleading and should be deleted.
Hmmm... another angry uneducated christian... You'd be suprised how many times the bible has been re-written to fit the needs of kings/political figureheads throughout history. Read up on it.
You may say it is wrong, you may say it is a sin, but truth be told, if the person is outside of your religion, he doesn't consider it a sin, and therefore is not one.
Oh, and how can you compare homosexuality to raping and killing? How about this, your religion is complete nonsense. How stupid does that sound? Fairly arrogant too.
Like i said, why would God let his own words be changed? To non-believers, they might not believe what i am saying. But considering what i said earlier, God made man and woman for a reason.
and I ain't comparing Raping and Killing to Homosexuality, i am saying religions these days can allow anything they want because they are making up stupid rules and saying it's ok. I can say Man with Animal can be ok if i create a new religion right? I might sound arrogant, i applogize because it's sad to see how the world changes with these people posting nonsense on forums.
Everyone is allowed to break from a mainstream religion to follow what they may consider the true path.
Originally posted by Xexima you are now confusing me, I'm agnostic, I don't do that, in fact I don't even believe in any religions... What I was saying is that he is uneducated about his own religion... that was the point I was trying to convey.
His religion says gays are sinnful. The pope said so. So, if he is practicing his religion thats what he should believe.
Originally posted by Xexima Yep, thats why we have all of these religions we have nowadays ... heck even your christianity and Ob1sr's Islam are both extentions from Judaism..
Correct. Those were formed from difernet opinions of religion. Instead of changing the religion they formed their own. So, if you disagree that gays are sinnful, creat your own religion that accepts them. Then you can practive your way to enlightenment...or whatever.
Originally posted by J0kerr1 Originally posted by Aelfinn Originally posted by AhLaw379 As a christian, i have read the Bible, and to the other person that said the Bible could be changed over time, i have to disagree to that point. The Bible is a very important book to Christians, if it could be changed then how can our religion still continue? Also, the Bible was strictly supervised when translated, copied or told. But most important, why would God let his own words be changed over time? Humans can change, but God will not change. Remember that please.
It has been changed, multiple times. Do you know how the new testament was formed? A Roman counsel got together, long after Jesus and his apostles died, and they VOTED on what portion of the apostles writings would be kept. That which they rejected, they burned every copy they could fin. The bible may have once represented the pure word of god, but it was still written and rewritten by man. It inevitably will deviate from its original message.
And according to Christians, the pope has a direct connection with god. He says gay is a sin. If you are a christian you beleive that or you are not a christian, or at least not a good one.
Sorry, Christians do not believe in the pope, that's Catholic. I don't want to start another topic about Christians and Catholics and Popes. So let's leave it at that. And please don't offend others saying they are not a good believer.
To the person on top of this guy, Yes, the counsel has voted, but aren't they believers of God too? God was with them, and God and the counsel kept what was best for us. But i will not use "deviate from it's original message" because all our power and knowledge comes from God. Again, God will not let his own words be changed.
Then if you break these rules or tell others it is ok to break these rules means you are telling people to sin. Are you a good believer if you encourage people to sin and act against your god?
Originally posted by Blurr Originally posted by modjoe86 If the religion harbors such a broad range of people, I don't really understand the point of it. If I'm an agnostic, and I'm sharing my religion with a liberal christian, I wouldn't feel very unified. I thought the whole point of a religion was to surround myself with people of similar beliefs.
It's part of the whole "I'm Okay, You're Okay" movement that is ruining our society. They believe everyone is right, therefore they don't really stand for anything except "we're all good all the time and we're never wrong and we're never bad and whatever you believe is the truth" I'm a proud member of the movement, I just don't feel a need to label myself with a particular group.
Originally posted by modjoe86 Originally posted by Blurr Originally posted by modjoe86 If the religion harbors such a broad range of people, I don't really understand the point of it. If I'm an agnostic, and I'm sharing my religion with a liberal christian, I wouldn't feel very unified. I thought the whole point of a religion was to surround myself with people of similar beliefs.
It's part of the whole "I'm Okay, You're Okay" movement that is ruining our society. They believe everyone is right, therefore they don't really stand for anything except "we're all good all the time and we're never wrong and we're never bad and whatever you believe is the truth" I'm a proud member of the movement, I just don't feel a need to label myself with a particular group. They have every right to believe that philsophy. But, they cannot not say they are good beleivers of their religion if their religion says something is bad and they say it is ok and good.
Originally posted by J0kerr1 Originally posted by Xexima Yep, thats why we have all of these religions we have nowadays ... heck even your christianity and Ob1sr's Islam are both extentions from Judaism..
Correct. Those were formed from difernet opinions of religion. Instead of changing the religion they formed their own. So, if you disagree that gays are sinnful, creat your own religion that accepts them. Then you can practive your way to enlightenment...or whatever. This post will not end because noone will be truly satisfied after reading all these posts, We just say what we believe in. But using common sense, what does man and man, female and female do? They are pleasurable for sex (for some) but what else? I ain't here to convert people to christianity. But to give others another viewpoint from many self centered post.
Originally posted by AhLaw379 Originally posted by J0kerr1 Originally posted by Xexima Yep, thats why we have all of these religions we have nowadays ... heck even your christianity and Ob1sr's Islam are both extentions from Judaism..
Correct. Those were formed from difernet opinions of religion. Instead of changing the religion they formed their own. So, if you disagree that gays are sinnful, creat your own religion that accepts them. Then you can practive your way to enlightenment...or whatever. This post will not end because noone will be truly satisfied after reading all these posts, We just say what we believe in. But using common sense, what does man and man, female and female do? They are pleasurable for sex (for some) but what else? I ain't here to convert people to christianity. But to give others another viewpoint from many self centered post.
Do Catholics/Christians believe that homosexuality is a decision made by the person? Or some form of sinful temptation that god doesn't interfere with? If god created man and woman to be together and had no intention of same-sex relations, how is it, in these religion's eyes, that man started down the sinful path? Why doesn't god just make it...not...happen?
I'm in no way a follower of organized religion. I'm just curious on how all this works. I know many gays that are affected by these views, and think its really a sad state of affairs.
Originally posted by J0kerr1 If there are stated rules to a relgion. 1. The acts of being gay are sins. Then if you break these rules or tell others it is ok to break these rules means you are telling people to sin. Are you a good believer if you encourage people to sin and act against your god?
Of course it's bad to encourage others to sin. =__=
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Well put.
Also if you leave your religion, it won't change what the pope says.
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
As a christian, i have read the Bible, and to the other person that said the Bible could be changed over time, i have to disagree to that point. The Bible is a very important book to Christians, if it could be changed then how can our religion still continue? Also, the Bible was strictly supervised when translated, copied or told. But most important, why would God let his own words be changed over time? Humans can change, but God will not change. Remember that please.
For those who are trying to presaude people that homosexuality is not a sin. Shame on you.
God created MAN and WOMAN for a purpose. Homosexuality is just for pure pleasure because only man and woman can reproduce. Some might say, it's ok because it's LOVE, but love is a very self centered word. and some might agree because they simply don't care.
Again, i am not racist again Homosexuals or anything, but saying it's not a sin is WRONG.
To reavo (starter of this thread), you say your religion allows it, ok. But what if another religion says Raping others and Killing is fine? Your religion is complete nonsense. Your post is misleading and should be deleted.
You may say it is wrong, you may say it is a sin, but truth be told, if the person is outside of your religion, he doesn't consider it a sin, and therefore is not one.
Oh, and how can you compare homosexuality to raping and killing? How about this, your religion is complete nonsense. How stupid does that sound? Fairly arrogant too.
in my humble opinion, the issue is not whether homosexuality is a sin. The issue is whether religion itself is a sham.
Well put.
Also if you leave your religion, it won't change what the pope says.
So?
You may say it is wrong, you may say it is a sin, but truth be told, if the person is outside of your religion, he doesn't consider it a sin, and therefore is not one.
Oh, and how can you compare homosexuality to raping and killing? How about this, your religion is complete nonsense. How stupid does that sound? Fairly arrogant too.
Uneducated Christian? The pope says it is a sin. If you are a christian it is a sin.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
Hemingway
And according to Christians, the pope has a direct connection with god. He says gay is a sin. If you are a christian you beleive that or you are not a christian, or at least not a good one.
You may say it is wrong, you may say it is a sin, but truth be told, if the person is outside of your religion, he doesn't consider it a sin, and therefore is not one.
Oh, and how can you compare homosexuality to raping and killing? How about this, your religion is complete nonsense. How stupid does that sound? Fairly arrogant too.
Like i said, why would God let his own words be changed? To non-believers, they might not believe what i am saying. But considering what i said earlier, God made man and woman for a reason.
and I ain't comparing Raping and Killing to Homosexuality, i am saying religions these days can allow anything they want because they are making up stupid rules and saying it's ok. I can say Man with Animal can be ok if i create a new religion right? I might sound arrogant, i applogize because it's sad to see how the world changes with these people posting nonsense on forums.
You may say it is wrong, you may say it is a sin, but truth be told, if the person is outside of your religion, he doesn't consider it a sin, and therefore is not one.
Oh, and how can you compare homosexuality to raping and killing? How about this, your religion is complete nonsense. How stupid does that sound? Fairly arrogant too.
Like i said, why would God let his own words be changed? To non-believers, they might not believe what i am saying. But considering what i said earlier, God made man and woman for a reason.
and I ain't comparing Raping and Killing to Homosexuality, i am saying religions these days can allow anything they want because they are making up stupid rules and saying it's ok. I can say Man with Animal can be ok if i create a new religion right? I might sound arrogant, i applogize because it's sad to see how the world changes with these people posting nonsense on forums.
Everyone is allowed to break from a mainstream religion to follow what they may consider the true path.
And according to Christians, the pope has a direct connection with god. He says gay is a sin. If you are a christian you beleive that or you are not a christian, or at least not a good one.
Sorry, Christians do not believe in the pope, that's Catholic.
I don't want to start another topic about Christians and Catholics and Popes. So let's leave it at that.
And please don't offend others saying they are not a good believer.
To the person on top of this guy, Yes, the counsel has voted, but aren't they believers of God too? God was with them, and God and the counsel kept what was best for us. But i will not use "deviate from it's original message" because all our power and knowledge comes from God. Again, God will not let his own words be changed.
If there are stated rules to a relgion.
1. The acts of being gay are sins.
Then if you break these rules or tell others it is ok to break these rules means you are telling people to sin. Are you a good believer if you encourage people to sin and act against your god?
I'm a proud member of the movement, I just don't feel a need to label myself with a particular group.
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I'm a proud member of the movement, I just don't feel a need to label myself with a particular group.
They have every right to believe that philsophy. But, they cannot not say they are good beleivers of their religion if their religion says something is bad and they say it is ok and good.
This post will not end because noone will be truly satisfied after reading all these posts, We just say what we believe in. But using common sense, what does man and man, female and female do? They are pleasurable for sex (for some) but what else? I ain't here to convert people to christianity. But to give others another viewpoint from many self centered post.
This post will not end because noone will be truly satisfied after reading all these posts, We just say what we believe in. But using common sense, what does man and man, female and female do? They are pleasurable for sex (for some) but what else? I ain't here to convert people to christianity. But to give others another viewpoint from many self centered post.
That has nothing to do with this forum.
Do Catholics/Christians believe that homosexuality is a decision made by the person? Or some form of sinful temptation that god doesn't interfere with? If god created man and woman to be together and had no intention of same-sex relations, how is it, in these religion's eyes, that man started down the sinful path? Why doesn't god just make it...not...happen?
I'm in no way a follower of organized religion. I'm just curious on how all this works. I know many gays that are affected by these views, and think its really a sad state of affairs.