Originally posted by modjoe86 Originally posted by OneMuslim Originally posted by opeth313x I don't understand this. I have a hard enough time with religion already. I am catholic and go to church every sunday. But still, I don't understand much about my religion, though I would like to know more. I'm 13 and I'm troubled with things like this... I don't understand why Atheists feel it is their duty to try to pull people away from their religion. My religion and what I believe to be true is my business, not yours. I suppose the same thing goes for you?
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Because Atheists love to bring people down with them to hell. He was griping about people pushing their beliefs on others for no reason. Take notes Ob1sr.
yeah, he is talking about Atheists who want others to become like them, as for Muslims we don't force anyone into Islam.
Originally posted by OneMuslim Originally posted by modjoe86 Originally posted by OneMuslim Originally posted by opeth313x I don't understand this. I have a hard enough time with religion already. I am catholic and go to church every sunday. But still, I don't understand much about my religion, though I would like to know more. I'm 13 and I'm troubled with things like this... I don't understand why Atheists feel it is their duty to try to pull people away from their religion. My religion and what I believe to be true is my business, not yours. I suppose the same thing goes for you?
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Because Atheists love to bring people down with them to hell.
He was griping about people pushing their beliefs on others for no reason. Take notes Ob1sr.
yeah, he is talking about Atheists who want others to become like them, as for Muslims we don't force anyone into Islam. So you're trying to convince me you aren't pushing your beliefs on people in this forum? There is a huge difference between "push" and "force." And for the freaking last time I'm not an atheist.
Oh and Edit: Nice propaganda wording. Why is it OK for muslims to want others to become like them, but not atheists?
Atheism isn't a religion. I'm not an atheist. I'm not trying to prove you wrong. All I'm trying to get across to you is that neither of us have any real solid proof to back ourselves up, so how the hell can you say 100% sure that a being higher than us exists? You can't, and I can't say 100% sure that a being higher than us doesn't exist. I actually hold atheists and theists on about the same level when they are over-zealous about their beliefs.
Well, you don't consider it a Religion, but it Falls into the category.
As of proving that no super being is above us, well, as much as it is hard to prove, it is also as much as hard to deny it.
no one can say that 100% that there's a super being above us, if they didn't learn of the messages and signs that this super being has sent us, however if we read something and it is true, it is realy hard to deny it unless our pride into what we believe in and hold true to us ( even if it is false ) prevents us.
Why do you think the Shiites hold into their stupid self-harming beliefs about things that don't exist in Islam? because of their pride, but many of them disband this pride and confess, and convert back to the real Islam.
Originally posted by modjoe86 Atheism isn't a religion. I'm not an atheist. I'm not trying to prove you wrong. All I'm trying to get across to you is that neither of us have any real solid proof to back ourselves up, so how the hell can you say 100% sure that a being higher than us exists? You can't, and I can't say 100% sure that a being higher than us doesn't exist. I actually hold atheists and theists on about the same level when they are over-zealous about their beliefs.
Well, you don't consider it a Religion, but it Falls into the category.
As of proving that no super being is above us, well, as much as it is hard to prove, it is also as much as hard to deny it.
no one can say that 100% that there's a super being above us, if they didn't learn of the messages and signs that this super being has sent us, however if we read something and it is true, it is realy hard to deny it unless our pride into what we believe in and hold true to us ( even if it is false ) prevents us.
Why do you think the Shiites hold into their stupid self-harming beliefs about things that don't exist in Islam? because of their pride, but many of them disband this pride and confess, and convert back to the real Islam.
a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
And why did you just repeat what I just said in my above post, then follow it with a load of cryptic psychobabble? As I said before, and you just said, neither of us knows so neither of us knows the right answer.
So you're trying to convince me you aren't pushing your beliefs on people in this forum? There is a huge difference between "push" and "force."
Well, everyone pushes their beliefs which is fine by everyone.
And for the freaking last time I'm not an atheist. Ok ok got it, you're agnostic then?
Oh and Edit: Nice propaganda wording. Why is it OK for muslims to want others to become like them, but not atheists?
Because Muslims love good for people, they want other people to share Paradise with them and be saved from hellfire, but Atheists or agnostics don't believe in that, they just care about this life so much, that they forget stuff like morality and spirituality.
Ok ok got it, you're agnostic then?
Oh and Edit: Nice propaganda wording. Why is it OK for muslims to want others to become like them, but not atheists?
Because Muslims love good for people, they want other people to share Paradise with them and be saved from hellfire, but Atheists or agnostics don't believe in that, they just care about this life so much, that they forget stuff like morality and spirituality.
a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
that's only one meaning for it, and it doesn't necessarly have to have a super being behind it.
And why did you just repeat what I just said in my above post, then follow it with a load of cryptic psychobabble? As I said before, and you just said, neither of us knows so neither of us knows the right answer.
yeah, then read the rest of what i have said.
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a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
that's only one meaning for it, and it doesn't necessarly have to have a super being behind it.
And why did you just repeat what I just said in my above post, then follow it with a load of cryptic psychobabble? As I said before, and you just said, neither of us knows so neither of us knows the right answer.
Originally posted by modjoe86 So you're trying to convince me you aren't pushing your beliefs on people in this forum? There is a huge difference between "push" and "force." Well, everyone pushes their beliefs which is fine by everyone. And for the freaking last time I'm not an atheist. Ok ok got it, you're agnostic then?
Oh and Edit: Nice propaganda wording. Why is it OK for muslims to want others to become like them, but not atheists? Because Muslims love good for people, they want other people to share Paradise with them and be saved from hellfire, but Atheists or agnostics don't believe in that, they just care about this life so much, that they forget stuff like morality and spirituality.
Ok ok got it, you're agnostic then?
Oh and Edit: Nice propaganda wording. Why is it OK for muslims to want others to become like them, but not atheists?
Because Muslims love good for people, they want other people to share Paradise with them and be saved from hellfire, but Atheists or agnostics don't believe in that, they just care about this life so much, that they forget stuff like morality and spirituality.
All the atheists I know have good morals. Morals for the most part don't require religion. It's more of an instinct thing. Gross generalizations are bad in a debate. And since I put more value into this life I'm not interested in the good of my fellow human beings? That doesn't make much sense.
a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs. that's only one meaning for it, and it doesn't necessarly have to have a super being behind it.
And why did you just repeat what I just said in my above post, then follow it with a load of cryptic psychobabble? As I said before, and you just said, neither of us knows so neither of us knows the right answer. yeah, then read the rest of what i have said.
That is the primary, and most widely accepted definition of the word. Find one that applies to atheists rather than just saying I'm wrong. That's how debates work, you supply a counter-point with some base behind it, such as an alternate definition and a link. And I just said that your message was too cryptic and cloudy to read.
Atheism isn't a religion. I'm not an atheist. I'm not trying to prove you wrong. All I'm trying to get across to you is that neither of us have any real solid proof to back ourselves up, so how the hell can you say 100% sure that a being higher than us exists? You can't, and I can't say 100% sure that a being higher than us doesn't exist. I actually hold atheists and theists on about the same level when they are over-zealous about their beliefs.
Well, you don't consider it a Religion, but it Falls into the category.
As of proving that no super being is above us, well, as much as it is hard to prove, it is also as much as hard to deny it.
no one can say that 100% that there's a super being above us, if they didn't learn of the messages and signs that this super being has sent us, however if we read something and it is true, it is realy hard to deny it unless our pride into what we believe in and hold true to us ( even if it is false ) prevents us.
Why do you think the Shiites hold into their stupid self-harming beliefs about things that don't exist in Islam? because of their pride, but many of them disband this pride and confess, and convert back to the real Islam.
Thats incorrect. if someone says "There is no superior being above us" then how is it so hard to deny? don't come up with the old "prove it doesn't exist", because there is no such thing.
I am not saying there is no superior being/God, but its clear that its much more easy to deny its existance then to prove it.
That is the primary, and most widely accepted definition of the word. Find one that applies to atheists rather than just saying I'm wrong. That's how debates work, you supply a counter-point with some base behind it, such as an alternate definition and a link.
And I just said that your message was too cryptic and cloudy to read.
OMG i didn't say you were wrong man, i just said this is one meaning for it, you were right, but religion doesn't always mean that a higher being is beind it, a set of beliefs alone is a religion.
Thats incorrect. if someone says "There is no superior being above us" then how is it so hard to deny? don't come up with the old "prove it doesn't exist", because there is no such thing.
I am not saying there is no superior being/God, but its clear that its much more easy to deny its existance then to prove it.
All the atheists I know have good morals. Morals for the most part don't require religion. It's more of an instinct thing. Gross generalizations are bad in a debate. And since I put more value into this life I'm not interested in the good of my fellow human beings? That doesn't make much sense.
In this case, why do they bother us believers and insult our beliefs? why? while they are the least in this entire earth who don't believe in anything.
Believers care for people more than anyone else, believe it or not.
In this case, why do they bother us believers and insult our beliefs? why? while they are the least in this entire earth who don't believe in anything.
Believers care for people more than anyone else, believe it or not.
Originally posted by Gameloading Thats incorrect. if someone says "There is no superior being above us" then how is it so hard to deny? don't come up with the old "prove it doesn't exist", because there is no such thing.
I am not saying there is no superior being/God, but its clear that its much more easy to deny its existance then to prove it.
You just contradicted yourself twice in here. Hardly. you didn't understand my post.
Originally posted by modjoe86 All the atheists I know have good morals. Morals for the most part don't require religion. It's more of an instinct thing. Gross generalizations are bad in a debate. And since I put more value into this life I'm not interested in the good of my fellow human beings? That doesn't make much sense.
In this case, why do they bother us believers and insult our beliefs? why? while they are the least in this entire earth who don't believe in anything. Believers care for people more than anyone else, believe it or not.
In this case, why do they bother us believers and insult our beliefs? why? while they are the least in this entire earth who don't believe in anything.
Believers care for people more than anyone else, believe it or not.
Your elitism disgusts me. You're basically saying that atheists are assholes for doing the same thing you are doing right now, but since you believe in heaven it's ok for you to do it.
Originally posted by modjoe86 All the atheists I know have good morals. Morals for the most part don't require religion. It's more of an instinct thing. Gross generalizations are bad in a debate. And since I put more value into this life I'm not interested in the good of my fellow human beings? That doesn't make much sense.
In this case, why do they bother us believers and insult our beliefs? why? while they are the least in this entire earth who don't believe in anything. Believers care for people more than anyone else, believe it or not.
In this case, why do they bother us believers and insult our beliefs? why? while they are the least in this entire earth who don't believe in anything.
Believers care for people more than anyone else, believe it or not.
Believers actually bother non-believers more then the other way around. you as a follower of the islam should know this, as the Islam is currently the number 1 religion that is trying to convert people, and they have proven they will use violence if they feel the need to.
Your elitism disgusts me. You're basically saying that atheists are assholes for doing the same thing you are doing right now, but since you believe in heaven it's ok for you to do it.
Ahh, here's the difference, Atheists have no hope, we do, it doesn't get any simple than this.
Ahh, here's the difference, Atheists have no hope, we do, it doesn't get any simple than this.
Your elitism disgusts me. You're basically saying that atheists are assholes for doing the same thing you are doing right now, but since you believe in heaven it's ok for you to do it.
Ahh, here's the difference, Atheists have no hope, we do, it doesn't get any simple than this.
Ahh, here's the difference, Atheists have no hope, we do, it doesn't get any simple than this. So because you have "hope," it gives you the right to insult someone else's beliefs. Thanks for the enlightenment.
Believers actually bother non-believers more then the other way around. you as a follower of the islam should know this, as the Islam is currently the number 1 religion that is trying to convert people, and they have proven they will use violence if they feel the need to.
You're describing terrorists who have nothing to do with Islam and are implanted by the US govie.
Your elitism disgusts me. You're basically saying that atheists are assholes for doing the same thing you are doing right now, but since you believe in heaven it's ok for you to do it.
Ahh, here's the difference, Atheists have no hope, we do, it doesn't get any simple than this.
Ahh, here's the difference, Atheists have no hope, we do, it doesn't get any simple than this. And that makes you better than me? I don't think so. I have morals, I'm a good person, I'm an Atheist. I see why people tend to think that they are better than one another.
And that makes you better than me? I don't think so. I have morals, I'm a good person, I'm an Atheist. I see why people tend to think that they are better than one another.
Yes, but your beliefs insult me, do i have anything more to say? realy man.
Yes, but your beliefs insult me, do i have anything more to say? realy man.
And that makes you better than me? I don't think so. I have morals, I'm a good person, I'm an Atheist. I see why people tend to think that they are better than one another.
Yes, but your beliefs insult me, do i have anything more to say? realy man.
Yes, but your beliefs insult me, do i have anything more to say? realy man. How the hell do my beliefs insult you?! Your beliefs don't insult me, I just find them stupid and irrational.
Originally posted by modjoe86 So because you have "hope," it gives you the right to insult someone else's beliefs. Thanks for the enlightenment.
First, when did i insult? second thing, saying your grandfather was a monkey or a soup is pretty much by itself an insult.
First, when did i insult? second thing, saying your grandfather was a monkey or a soup is pretty much by itself an insult.
Making me backtrack to prove you said it...what a hassle.
In this case, why do they bother us believers and insult our beliefs? why? while they are the least in this entire earth who don't believe in anything.
Believers care for people more than anyone else, believe it or not.
With which I retorted "Your elitism disgusts me. You're basically saying that atheists are assholes for doing the same thing you are doing right now, but since you believe in heaven it's ok for you to do it." Then you said
Ahh, here's the difference, Atheists have no hope, we do, it doesn't get any simple than this.
So put it all together. You think you have the right to insult atheists because they lack "hope."
EDIT: And Onemuslim retreats when backed into yet another corner.
And that makes you better than me? I don't think so. I have morals, I'm a good person, I'm an Atheist. I see why people tend to think that they are better than one another.
Yes, but your beliefs insult me, do i have anything more to say? realy man.
Yes, but your beliefs insult me, do i have anything more to say? realy man. How does it insult you? Why do you even care what somebody else believes? leave others belief in peace.
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He was griping about people pushing their beliefs on others for no reason. Take notes Ob1sr.
yeah, he is talking about Atheists who want others to become like them, as for Muslims we don't force anyone into Islam.
He was griping about people pushing their beliefs on others for no reason. Take notes Ob1sr.
yeah, he is talking about Atheists who want others to become like them, as for Muslims we don't force anyone into Islam.
So you're trying to convince me you aren't pushing your beliefs on people in this forum? There is a huge difference between "push" and "force."
And for the freaking last time I'm not an atheist.
Oh and Edit: Nice propaganda wording. Why is it OK for muslims to want others to become like them, but not atheists?
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Well, you don't consider it a Religion, but it Falls into the category.
As of proving that no super being is above us, well, as much as it is hard to prove, it is also as much as hard to deny it.
no one can say that 100% that there's a super being above us, if they didn't learn of the messages and signs that this super being has sent us, however if we read something and it is true, it is realy hard to deny it unless our pride into what we believe in and hold true to us ( even if it is false ) prevents us.
Why do you think the Shiites hold into their stupid self-harming beliefs about things that don't exist in Islam? because of their pride, but many of them disband this pride and confess, and convert back to the real Islam.
Well, you don't consider it a Religion, but it Falls into the category.
As of proving that no super being is above us, well, as much as it is hard to prove, it is also as much as hard to deny it.
no one can say that 100% that there's a super being above us, if they didn't learn of the messages and signs that this super being has sent us, however if we read something and it is true, it is realy hard to deny it unless our pride into what we believe in and hold true to us ( even if it is false ) prevents us.
Why do you think the Shiites hold into their stupid self-harming beliefs about things that don't exist in Islam? because of their pride, but many of them disband this pride and confess, and convert back to the real Islam.
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–noun
set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the
universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency
or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and
often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
And why did you just repeat what I just said in my above post, then follow it with a load of cryptic psychobabble? As I said before, and you just said, neither of us knows so neither of us knows the right answer.
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All the atheists I know have good morals. Morals for the most part don't require religion. It's more of an instinct thing. Gross generalizations are bad in a debate.
And since I put more value into this life I'm not interested in the good of my fellow human beings? That doesn't make much sense.
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That is the primary, and most widely accepted definition of the word. Find one that applies to atheists rather than just saying I'm wrong. That's how debates work, you supply a counter-point with some base behind it, such as an alternate definition and a link.
And I just said that your message was too cryptic and cloudy to read.
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Well, you don't consider it a Religion, but it Falls into the category.
As of proving that no super being is above us, well, as much as it is hard to prove, it is also as much as hard to deny it.
no one can say that 100% that there's a super being above us, if they didn't learn of the messages and signs that this super being has sent us, however if we read something and it is true, it is realy hard to deny it unless our pride into what we believe in and hold true to us ( even if it is false ) prevents us.
Why do you think the Shiites hold into their stupid self-harming beliefs about things that don't exist in Islam? because of their pride, but many of them disband this pride and confess, and convert back to the real Islam.
Thats incorrect. if someone says "There is no superior being above us" then how is it so hard to deny? don't come up with the old "prove it doesn't exist", because there is no such thing.
I am not saying there is no superior being/God, but its clear that its much more easy to deny its existance then to prove it.
In this case, why do they bother us believers and insult our beliefs? why? while they are the least in this entire earth who don't believe in anything.
Believers care for people more than anyone else, believe it or not.
Hardly. you didn't understand my post.
In this case, why do they bother us believers and insult our beliefs? why? while they are the least in this entire earth who don't believe in anything.
Believers care for people more than anyone else, believe it or not.
Your elitism disgusts me. You're basically saying that atheists are assholes for doing the same thing you are doing right now, but since you believe in heaven it's ok for you to do it.
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In this case, why do they bother us believers and insult our beliefs? why? while they are the least in this entire earth who don't believe in anything.
Believers care for people more than anyone else, believe it or not.
Believers actually bother non-believers more then the other way around. you as a follower of the islam should know this, as the Islam is currently the number 1 religion that is trying to convert people, and they have proven they will use violence if they feel the need to.
So because you have "hope," it gives you the right to insult someone else's beliefs. Thanks for the enlightenment.
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And that makes you better than me? I don't think so. I have morals, I'm a good person, I'm an Atheist. I see why people tend to think that they are better than one another.
How the hell do my beliefs insult you?! Your beliefs don't insult me, I just find them stupid and irrational.
Making me backtrack to prove you said it...what a hassle.
In this case, why do they bother us
believers and insult our beliefs? why? while they are the least in this
entire earth who don't believe in anything.
Believers care for people more than anyone else, believe it or not.
With which I retorted "Your elitism disgusts me. You're basically saying that atheists are
assholes for doing the same thing you are doing right now, but since
you believe in heaven it's ok for you to do it." Then you said
Ahh, here's the difference, Atheists have no hope, we do, it doesn't get any simple than this.
So put it all together. You think you have the right to insult atheists because they lack "hope."
EDIT: And Onemuslim retreats when backed into yet another corner.
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How does it insult you? Why do you even care what somebody else believes? leave others belief in peace.