Originally posted by LordSlater Once again someone has missed the point of The readers awards. The point of it is the winner is the one who gets the most votes...So if you dont want eve to win again Vote and get your friends in the MMO world to vote too.
I voted. Hopefully, by bringing this issue up here, we will get our like minded friends to vote against EVE too.
Because you are right. The awards are not based upon the merits of the games. They are based on the votes, whether the voters vote on the basis of the merits, or not.
This is probably why most of the big game companies don't care enough to bother with these awards from MMORPG.com. Nor do they really post them on ads, or on the front page of their sites. An award for "best game" in no way means that it really is the best game.
__________________________ "Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it." --Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints." --Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls." --Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
Originally posted by Gameloading I actually think this proves CCP must really want those awards, but to each his own
Lol once again you miss the point.
Of course they would luke to do well any publicity is good after all.
So tell me what game do you play and why didnt it win last year then ?
Actually I didn't miss the point. What I was trying to say is that it seems CCP wants those awards more then others. you don't see Blizzard put up a link to mmorpg.com awards on WoW official site. You don't see Ncsoft do that. You don't see SOE do it either.
What game I currently play? Nothing, really. I hop onto ArchLord and EQ2 every now and then, but thats about it.
To be fare i dont go to those game forums so i dont know anything about that. Netherless CCP is doing things right they are supoting the community by stickying the thread amde by a PLAYER not a developer.
Point is the other games dont do well because those games dont get the same level of community/Developer support eve gets.
Of course if those games got the level of support like eve DiD then it wouldnt be eve everyone would be whining about it would be a game like WoW for example.
It was only made by a player because he posted it BEFORE a developer did. in Last years awards, a Developer DID ask to vote for EVE. and it was a Developer/Moderator who made the thread a sticky. And I guess it was a player that posted the message of the awards on the Official news page as well?
Asking your fans to vote has nothing to do with EVE's community or CCP's support. If blizzard posted it on the main site, it would be dominated by WoW fans who vote for their game. I don't see why EVE would have a more loyal fanbase then other MMORPG's.
Originally posted by Gameloading It was only made by a player because he posted it BEFORE a developer did. in Last years awards, a Developer DID ask to vote for EVE. and it was a Developer/Moderator who made the thread a sticky. And I guess it was a player that posted the message of the awards on the Official news page as well?
Asking your fans to vote has nothing to do with EVE's community or CCP's support. If blizzard posted it on the main site, it would be dominated by WoW fans who vote for their game. I don't see why EVE would have a more loyal fanbase then other MMORPG's. Well YOU wouldnt.
Lol this is obviously proof of the Evil truth of eve.........................NOT
You know very well when i talk about Eve's community support im not just talking about voting in MMORPG.com. Most people in EvE dont give a S**T about this site because its full of uselless threads and immature fanboys and Trolls.
the evil truth? what in heavens name are you talking about?
and actually, I don't know what your talking about. I honnestly don't see how EVE's fans are more loyal and supportive to EVE then communities of other MMORPG's.
Originally posted by LordSlater Most people in EvE dont give a S**T about this site
We know. Yet they vote, just so EVE can get the award.
__________________________ "Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it." --Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints." --Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls." --Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
Originally posted by Gameloading the evil truth? what in heavens name are you talking about? I was implying that you were pointing out some sort of conspiracy made up by eve's developers despite that it was a player who started that thread. The developer just showed support to those who vote for eve by stickying that thread and giving support to those who voted. and actually, I don't know what your talking about. I honnestly don't see how EVE's fans are more loyal and supportive to EVE then communities of other MMORPG's. Then maybee the reason you dont see is because you dont paly eve and love it like i do as do others so i guess i symapathise with you. You see when someone really loves a game liek eve we support it. So if i love this game i guess im guilty.
Originally posted by LordSlater But what gets me is the hate thats directed to eve just because it had the most votes last time.
No, the hate against EVE has nothing to do with getting the most votes last time.
The hate against EVE and CCP is because it is obvious to everyone that this site goes out of its way to promote EVE, and hide its failings.
Take the current review, which rated server performance/lag at a 10 (perfect), at a time when server performance and lag was horrendous on Tranquility, as an example of how this site goes out of its way to protect EVE.
There was a time when I would approve of protecting small, independent developers. Where I would give them the benefit of the doubt when they faltered, or try to show their offerings in the best light, in the spirit of equity. However, CCP can no longer be considered a "small, new developer," not when it boasts of over 100,000 subscriptions, is brancing out into multiple mediums, and is taking out fullpage ads gloating about its acclaim as an MMO powerhouse.
I don't mean to imply that this site should go out of its way to attack CCP and EVE, but at the very least it should make an attempt to do more than simply do what Reykjavik tells them to do. Players are getting screwed. MMORPG.com members are paying good money to CCP, and being abused. When is MMORPG.com going to ask the tough questions for the sake of the MMORPG players who depend on MMORPG.com to give them the straight dope?
__________________________ "Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it." --Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints." --Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls." --Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
Originally posted by Gameloading the evil truth? what in heavens name are you talking about? I was implying that you were pointing out some sort of conspiracy made up by eve's developers despite that it was a player who started that thread. The developer just showed support to those who vote for eve by stickying that thread and giving support to those who voted. and actually, I don't know what your talking about. I honnestly don't see how EVE's fans are more loyal and supportive to EVE then communities of other MMORPG's. Then maybee the reason you dont see is because you dont paly eve and love it like i do as do others so i guess i symapathise with you. You see when someone really loves a game liek eve we support it. So if i love this game i guess im guilty.
Its simply amazing the amount of excuses EVE fanatics come up with to hide the fact CCP is asking people to vote. It was a player that started the thread, but it was a DEVELOPER that started the exact same thread last year, and it was a STAFF MEMBER that made the thread a sticky,it was a STAFF MEMBER that posted it on the MAIN WEBSITE. No matter how much you try to hide it, CCP is asking its players to vote for EVE. period.
And stop acting like such a blind fanboy, tons of people love the games they are playing. Tons of people love World of Warcraft, Tons of people love Lineage 2, Tons of people love Everquest 2. As well as UO, FFXI and every other mmorpg ever made. Every game has fans that support it, just as much as EVE fans support CCP.
Originally posted by LordSlater But what gets me is the hate thats directed to eve just because it had the most votes last time.
No, the hate against EVE has nothing to do with getting the most votes last time.
The hate against EVE and CCP is because it is obvious to everyone that this site goes out of its way to promote EVE, and hide its failings.
Take the current review, which rated server performance/lag at a 10 (perfect), at a time when server performance and lag was horrendous on Tranquility, as an example of how this site goes out of its way to protect EVE.
There was a time when I would approve of protecting small, independent developers. Where I would give them the benefit of the doubt when they faltered, or try to show their offerings in the best light, in the spirit of equity. However, CCP can no longer be considered a "small, new developer," not when it boasts of over 100,000 subscriptions, is brancing out into multiple mediums, and is taking out fullpage ads gloating about its acclaim as an MMO powerhouse.
I don't mean to imply that this site should go out of its way to attack CCP and EVE, but at the very least it should make an attempt to do more than simply do what Reykjavik tells them to do. Players are getting screwed. MMORPG.com members are paying good money to CCP, and being abused. When is MMORPG.com going to ask the tough questions for the sake of the MMORPG players who depend on MMORPG.com to give them the straight dope?
Considering these Questions Have already been answered plenty of times i see no problem with this.
You know if you wanted to when the top 4 of each group are picked to be voted on just all vote the same game.. scummy victory but maybe eve wont post it next year if they get flogged. sorry for this post
Originally posted by Beatnik59 Originally posted by LordSlater But what gets me is the hate thats directed to eve just because it had the most votes last time.
No, the hate against EVE has nothing to do with getting the most votes last time.
The hate against EVE and CCP is because it is obvious to everyone that this site goes out of its way to promote EVE, and hide its failings.
Take the current review, which rated server performance/lag at a 10 (perfect), at a time when server performance and lag was horrendous on Tranquility, as an example of how this site goes out of its way to protect EVE.
There was a time when I would approve of protecting small, independent developers. Where I would give them the benefit of the doubt when they faltered, or try to show their offerings in the best light, in the spirit of equity. However, CCP can no longer be considered a "small, new developer," not when it boasts of over 100,000 subscriptions, is brancing out into multiple mediums, and is taking out fullpage ads gloating about its acclaim as an MMO powerhouse.
I don't mean to imply that this site should go out of its way to attack CCP and EVE, but at the very least it should make an attempt to do more than simply do what Reykjavik tells them to do. Players are getting screwed. MMORPG.com members are paying good money to CCP, and being abused. When is MMORPG.com going to ask the tough questions for the sake of the MMORPG players who depend on MMORPG.com to give them the straight dope?
Dunno about that.
I've played many. many MMOs (see my sig), but I've never, ever, ever in an MMO had confidence in a dev team like I had with CCP when I was playing EVE. Screwing players? I played EVE for 2.5 years and to be honest in my own personal experience there what I saw was the closest partnership between players and developers ... approaching a camaraderie really ... that I've ever seen in an MMO. I've never seen another developer treat its player base that way.
I know EVE is not for everyone, and a lot of people hate EVE here, but bashing CCP as screwing players really doesn't reflect my experience with CCP at all.
Originally posted by Gameloading And stop acting like such a blind fanboy, tons of people love the games they are playing. Tons of people love World of Warcraft, Tons of people love Lineage 2, Tons of people love Everquest 2. As well as UO, FFXI and every other mmorpg ever made. Every game has fans that support it, just as much as EVE fans support CCP.
And where exactly did i say eve was loved more than any other game
So once again i will say if you love your game or you hate eve VOTE.
Point is the other games dont do well because those games dont get the same level of community/Developer support eve gets.
Right here.
And ofcourse I will vote for my favourite games, that is not the issue here. We are talking about CCP asking its players to vote on its main site and the forums. Please stay on topic.
Point is the other games dont do well because those games dont get the same level of community/Developer support eve gets.
Right here.
And ofcourse I will vote for my favourite games, that is not the issue here. We are talking about CCP asking its players to vote on its main site and the forums. Please stay on topic.
Sorry but that is the issue here the devs support the community by validating that palyers post abut voting here and basically asked us to support eve. What dev wouldnt do that i ask.
And we support Eve by voting here because we love this game.
And people ahte us for this and use that post the dev made one year ago as first proof.
You know the last time I heard an argument like was when I visited a kindergarten.
So what if EVE asks players to vote.
I would think from all the crying here that the average age of the posters is around 5.
I don't understand all the pettiness and hate here. I play EVE and it does have major flaws. There are lots of things I don't like about it. However I wll vote for it. Not because someone posted on the EVE forums but because I think it is one of the better games.
So once again IF YOU DONT LIKE IT, DONT VOTE FOR IT AND STOP WHINING !!
Support Bacteria, its the only culture some people have.
I first need to say. I don't play Eve. I tried and didn't like it. Got boring after awhile.
Second. I could only get to the second page so if I repeat somebody, that is the reason and don't care if it annoys anybody.
Okay to the meat of my reply. Grow the hell up!!!!!! If you don't like Eve then vote for another game!
People are bitching because the devs are informing the players about the poll? Holy crap, I woke up in bizarro world! People should be bitching that devs of their favorite game is not informing them. You people are getting a board up your arse because CCP showed some freaking iniative. Those other developers deserve to lose to CCP if they don't try to support their own game.
Originally posted by LordSlater But what gets me is the hate thats directed to eve just because it had the most votes last time.
No, the hate against EVE has nothing to do with getting the most votes last time.
The hate against EVE and CCP is because it is obvious to everyone that this site goes out of its way to promote EVE, and hide its failings.
Take the current review, which rated server performance/lag at a 10 (perfect), at a time when server performance and lag was horrendous on Tranquility, as an example of how this site goes out of its way to protect EVE.
There was a time when I would approve of protecting small, independent developers. Where I would give them the benefit of the doubt when they faltered, or try to show their offerings in the best light, in the spirit of equity. However, CCP can no longer be considered a "small, new developer," not when it boasts of over 100,000 subscriptions, is brancing out into multiple mediums, and is taking out fullpage ads gloating about its acclaim as an MMO powerhouse.
I don't mean to imply that this site should go out of its way to attack CCP and EVE, but at the very least it should make an attempt to do more than simply do what Reykjavik tells them to do. Players are getting screwed. MMORPG.com members are paying good money to CCP, and being abused. When is MMORPG.com going to ask the tough questions for the sake of the MMORPG players who depend on MMORPG.com to give them the straight dope?
Dunno about that.
I've played many. many MMOs (see my sig), but I've never, ever, ever in an MMO had confidence in a dev team like I had with CCP when I was playing EVE. Screwing players? I played EVE for 2.5 years and to be honest in my own personal experience there what I saw was the closest partnership between players and developers ... approaching a camaraderie really ... that I've ever seen in an MMO. I've never seen another developer treat its player base that way.
I know EVE is not for everyone, and a lot of people hate EVE here, but bashing CCP as screwing players really doesn't reflect my experience with CCP at all.
Then consider yourself fortunate.
I'm not denying that players can be treated well by CCP and EVE. Almost like family. I'm sure that back in the early days, CCP and EVE really could treat the players like friends, and give them the individual attention and a big role. It sounds very much like my experience with Runestone and Seed.
But you can't do that with more than a few thousand or so. At that point, being friendly toward players becomes a burden, because it is impossible to give each subscriber, each corp, each alliance, and each subplot the sort of individual attention needed.
You see, while CCP and EVE were being friendly toward the friends in the playerbase they made in the early days, it has grown to such proportions that they could no longer realistically maintain that level of intimate concern. There were many new players who needed help, consideration, and professional quality control, and frankly, never got it.
The CS most players got in 2005 was about as bad as SOE. In fact, worse. Because at least SOE sends form responses that actually indicate that they have read about the issue, and sent generic advice that may help. All CCP sent was a form letter saying more or less, "Sorry for the form letter, but we are too busy to handle your issue. Resubmit, and better luck next time."
I bet you though that if the leader of ASCN, or Band of Brothers needs help, they won't get the form letter. After all, they stuck by CCP in the lean times, and CCP feels obligated to stick by them, no doubt.
But that sort of loyalty and friendship toward the faithful does not really help the fresh player who has no connection, and no desire to connect with those old timers. They pay just as much, and do not get the friend treatment. in fact, they get worse. They get their issues, concerns, and grievances put on the shelf, because the friend-subscribers from the old days demand that CCP jump when called upon.
You see, even if a famous player from the old days gets falsely banned for selling ISK on eBay, CCP will probably send free time, or apologize, or send gifts as a way of saying, "no hard feelings." However, there are more people than I can count who get falsely banned for all sorts of crimes they didn't do, and it takes weeks to get matters resolved, if they get resolved at all.
They will get no "sorry." They will get no gifts. They will get no friendship. All they will get is a firm, "CCP would never ban a player unjustly, so you get no sympathy from me you cheat," from the EVEangelists.
__________________________ "Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it." --Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints." --Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls." --Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
The CS most players got in 2005 was about as bad as SOE. In fact, worse. Because at least SOE sends form responses that actually indicate that they have read about the issue, and sent generic advice that may help. All CCP sent was a form letter saying more or less, "Sorry for the form letter, but we are too busy to handle your issue. Resubmit, and better luck next time." Heh then i assume you went off into a strop instead of resubmitting your ship loss.
But that sort of loyalty and friendship toward the faithful does not really help the fresh player who has no connection, and no desire to connect with those old timers. Hmm not true really and ccp dont show favouratism. They get their issues, concerns, and grievances put on the shelf, because the friend-subscribers from the old days demand that CCP jump when called upon. Proof please
You see, even if a famous player from the old days gets falsely banned for selling ISK on eBay, CCP will probably send free time, or apologize, or send gifts as a way of saying, "no hard feelings."Well asssuming they were inoccent id be angry if they didnt get an apology. However, there are more people than I can count who get falsely banned for all sorts of crimes they didn't do Oh really lol got any proof they werer inoccent apart from the fact they said they were., and it takes weeks to get matters resolved, if they get resolved at all.
They will get no "sorry." They will get no gifts Because they were guilty no doubt. They will get no friendship. All they will get is a firm, "CCP would never ban a player unjustly, so you get no sympathy from me you cheat," from the EVEangelists. Good cheating is bad.
Heh something tells me you used to play eve and got banned for selling isk or some other evil.
Originally posted by LordSlater Heh something tells me you used to play eve and got banned for selling isk or some other evil. Netherless this is off topic get on topic pls.
Actually, no I did not. In fact, I still play EVE from time to time.
__________________________ "Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it." --Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints." --Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls." --Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
Originally posted by LordSlater Heh something tells me you used to play eve and got banned for selling isk or some other evil. Netherless this is off topic get on topic pls.
Actually, no I did not. In fact, I still play EVE from time to time. If so then what was this 2005 thing about then there were a few posable problems in that time im curious to say the truth.
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I voted. Hopefully, by bringing this issue up here, we will get our like minded friends to vote against EVE too.
Because you are right. The awards are not based upon the merits of the games. They are based on the votes, whether the voters vote on the basis of the merits, or not.
This is probably why most of the big game companies don't care enough to bother with these awards from MMORPG.com. Nor do they really post them on ads, or on the front page of their sites. An award for "best game" in no way means that it really is the best game.
__________________________
"Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it."
--Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
--Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
--Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
Lol once again you miss the point.
Of course they would luke to do well any publicity is good after all.
So tell me what game do you play and why didnt it win last year then ?
Actually I didn't miss the point. What I was trying to say is that it seems CCP wants those awards more then others. you don't see Blizzard put up a link to mmorpg.com awards on WoW official site. You don't see Ncsoft do that. You don't see SOE do it either.
What game I currently play? Nothing, really. I hop onto ArchLord and EQ2 every now and then, but thats about it.
To be fare i dont go to those game forums so i dont know anything about that. Netherless CCP is doing things right they are supoting the community by stickying the thread amde by a PLAYER not a developer.
Point is the other games dont do well because those games dont get the same level of community/Developer support eve gets.
Of course if those games got the level of support like eve DiD then it wouldnt be eve everyone would be whining about it would be a game like WoW for example.
It was only made by a player because he posted it BEFORE a developer did. in Last years awards, a Developer DID ask to vote for EVE. and it was a Developer/Moderator who made the thread a sticky. And I guess it was a player that posted the message of the awards on the Official news page as well?
Asking your fans to vote has nothing to do with EVE's community or CCP's support. If blizzard posted it on the main site, it would be dominated by WoW fans who vote for their game. I don't see why EVE would have a more loyal fanbase then other MMORPG's.
Lol this is obviously proof of the Evil truth of eve.........................NOT
You know very well when i talk about Eve's community support im not just talking about voting in MMORPG.com. Most people in EvE dont give a S**T about this site because its full of uselless threads and immature fanboys and Trolls.
the evil truth? what in heavens name are you talking about?
and actually, I don't know what your talking about. I honnestly don't see how EVE's fans are more loyal and supportive to EVE then communities of other MMORPG's.
We know. Yet they vote, just so EVE can get the award.
__________________________
"Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it."
--Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
--Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
--Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
We know. Yet they vote, just so EVE can get the award.
Exactly.
But what gets me is the hate thats directed to eve just because it had the most votes last time.
We know. Yet they vote, just so EVE can get the award.
And how do you know they all massively flock to this site, just to get a vote in.. Do you have any data on which you can prove that conclusion?
Obviously not, and therefore i think EVE got those awards last year without any "cheating" involved. They deserve their awards.
I myself don't play EVE anymore, but i still find it a great game, and if someone decides to vote for it, what do you want to do about it?
"I'm sorry but your mmo has been diagnosed with EA and only has X number of days to live."
Lol a novice member with over 200 posts tells me a lot about you.
Nice sig pic tho.
No, the hate against EVE has nothing to do with getting the most votes last time.
The hate against EVE and CCP is because it is obvious to everyone that this site goes out of its way to promote EVE, and hide its failings.
Take the current review, which rated server performance/lag at a 10 (perfect), at a time when server performance and lag was horrendous on Tranquility, as an example of how this site goes out of its way to protect EVE.
There was a time when I would approve of protecting small, independent developers. Where I would give them the benefit of the doubt when they faltered, or try to show their offerings in the best light, in the spirit of equity. However, CCP can no longer be considered a "small, new developer," not when it boasts of over 100,000 subscriptions, is brancing out into multiple mediums, and is taking out fullpage ads gloating about its acclaim as an MMO powerhouse.
I don't mean to imply that this site should go out of its way to attack CCP and EVE, but at the very least it should make an attempt to do more than simply do what Reykjavik tells them to do. Players are getting screwed. MMORPG.com members are paying good money to CCP, and being abused. When is MMORPG.com going to ask the tough questions for the sake of the MMORPG players who depend on MMORPG.com to give them the straight dope?
__________________________
"Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it."
--Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
--Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
--Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
Its simply amazing the amount of excuses EVE fanatics come up with to hide the fact CCP is asking people to vote. It was a player that started the thread, but it was a DEVELOPER that started the exact same thread last year, and it was a STAFF MEMBER that made the thread a sticky,it was a STAFF MEMBER that posted it on the MAIN WEBSITE. No matter how much you try to hide it, CCP is asking its players to vote for EVE. period.
And stop acting like such a blind fanboy, tons of people love the games they are playing. Tons of people love World of Warcraft, Tons of people love Lineage 2, Tons of people love Everquest 2. As well as UO, FFXI and every other mmorpg ever made. Every game has fans that support it, just as much as EVE fans support CCP.
No, the hate against EVE has nothing to do with getting the most votes last time.
The hate against EVE and CCP is because it is obvious to everyone that this site goes out of its way to promote EVE, and hide its failings.
Take the current review, which rated server performance/lag at a 10 (perfect), at a time when server performance and lag was horrendous on Tranquility, as an example of how this site goes out of its way to protect EVE.
There was a time when I would approve of protecting small, independent developers. Where I would give them the benefit of the doubt when they faltered, or try to show their offerings in the best light, in the spirit of equity. However, CCP can no longer be considered a "small, new developer," not when it boasts of over 100,000 subscriptions, is brancing out into multiple mediums, and is taking out fullpage ads gloating about its acclaim as an MMO powerhouse.
I don't mean to imply that this site should go out of its way to attack CCP and EVE, but at the very least it should make an attempt to do more than simply do what Reykjavik tells them to do. Players are getting screwed. MMORPG.com members are paying good money to CCP, and being abused. When is MMORPG.com going to ask the tough questions for the sake of the MMORPG players who depend on MMORPG.com to give them the straight dope?
Considering these Questions Have already been answered plenty of times i see no problem with this.
No, the hate against EVE has nothing to do with getting the most votes last time.
The hate against EVE and CCP is because it is obvious to everyone that this site goes out of its way to promote EVE, and hide its failings.
Take the current review, which rated server performance/lag at a 10 (perfect), at a time when server performance and lag was horrendous on Tranquility, as an example of how this site goes out of its way to protect EVE.
There was a time when I would approve of protecting small, independent developers. Where I would give them the benefit of the doubt when they faltered, or try to show their offerings in the best light, in the spirit of equity. However, CCP can no longer be considered a "small, new developer," not when it boasts of over 100,000 subscriptions, is brancing out into multiple mediums, and is taking out fullpage ads gloating about its acclaim as an MMO powerhouse.
I don't mean to imply that this site should go out of its way to attack CCP and EVE, but at the very least it should make an attempt to do more than simply do what Reykjavik tells them to do. Players are getting screwed. MMORPG.com members are paying good money to CCP, and being abused. When is MMORPG.com going to ask the tough questions for the sake of the MMORPG players who depend on MMORPG.com to give them the straight dope?
Dunno about that.
I've played many. many MMOs (see my sig), but I've never, ever, ever in an MMO had confidence in a dev team like I had with CCP when I was playing EVE. Screwing players? I played EVE for 2.5 years and to be honest in my own personal experience there what I saw was the closest partnership between players and developers ... approaching a camaraderie really ... that I've ever seen in an MMO. I've never seen another developer treat its player base that way.
I know EVE is not for everyone, and a lot of people hate EVE here, but bashing CCP as screwing players really doesn't reflect my experience with CCP at all.
And where exactly did i say eve was loved more than any other game
So once again i will say if you love your game or you hate eve VOTE.
That goes for everyone not just you Gameloading.
Point is the other games dont do well because those games dont get the same level of community/Developer support eve gets.
Right here.
And ofcourse I will vote for my favourite games, that is not the issue here. We are talking about CCP asking its players to vote on its main site and the forums. Please stay on topic.
Point is the other games dont do well because those games dont get the same level of community/Developer support eve gets.
Right here.
And ofcourse I will vote for my favourite games, that is not the issue here. We are talking about CCP asking its players to vote on its main site and the forums. Please stay on topic.
Sorry but that is the issue here the devs support the community by validating that palyers post abut voting here and basically asked us to support eve. What dev wouldnt do that i ask.
And we support Eve by voting here because we love this game.
And people ahte us for this and use that post the dev made one year ago as first proof.
You know the last time I heard an argument like was when I visited a kindergarten.
So what if EVE asks players to vote.
I would think from all the crying here that the average age of the posters is around 5.
I don't understand all the pettiness and hate here. I play EVE and it does have major flaws. There are lots of things I don't like about it. However I wll vote for it. Not because someone posted on the EVE forums but because I think it is one of the better games.
So once again IF YOU DONT LIKE IT, DONT VOTE FOR IT AND STOP WHINING !!
Support Bacteria, its the only culture some people have.
I first need to say. I don't play Eve. I tried and didn't like it. Got boring after awhile.
Second. I could only get to the second page so if I repeat somebody, that is the reason and don't care if it annoys anybody.
Okay to the meat of my reply. Grow the hell up!!!!!! If you don't like Eve then vote for another game!
People are bitching because the devs are informing the players about the poll? Holy crap, I woke up in bizarro world! People should be bitching that devs of their favorite game is not informing them. You people are getting a board up your arse because CCP showed some freaking iniative. Those other developers deserve to lose to CCP if they don't try to support their own game.
Stop being a bunch of babies.
No, the hate against EVE has nothing to do with getting the most votes last time.
The hate against EVE and CCP is because it is obvious to everyone that this site goes out of its way to promote EVE, and hide its failings.
Take the current review, which rated server performance/lag at a 10 (perfect), at a time when server performance and lag was horrendous on Tranquility, as an example of how this site goes out of its way to protect EVE.
There was a time when I would approve of protecting small, independent developers. Where I would give them the benefit of the doubt when they faltered, or try to show their offerings in the best light, in the spirit of equity. However, CCP can no longer be considered a "small, new developer," not when it boasts of over 100,000 subscriptions, is brancing out into multiple mediums, and is taking out fullpage ads gloating about its acclaim as an MMO powerhouse.
I don't mean to imply that this site should go out of its way to attack CCP and EVE, but at the very least it should make an attempt to do more than simply do what Reykjavik tells them to do. Players are getting screwed. MMORPG.com members are paying good money to CCP, and being abused. When is MMORPG.com going to ask the tough questions for the sake of the MMORPG players who depend on MMORPG.com to give them the straight dope?
Dunno about that.
I've played many. many MMOs (see my sig), but I've never, ever, ever in an MMO had confidence in a dev team like I had with CCP when I was playing EVE. Screwing players? I played EVE for 2.5 years and to be honest in my own personal experience there what I saw was the closest partnership between players and developers ... approaching a camaraderie really ... that I've ever seen in an MMO. I've never seen another developer treat its player base that way.
I know EVE is not for everyone, and a lot of people hate EVE here, but bashing CCP as screwing players really doesn't reflect my experience with CCP at all.
Then consider yourself fortunate.
I'm not denying that players can be treated well by CCP and EVE. Almost like family. I'm sure that back in the early days, CCP and EVE really could treat the players like friends, and give them the individual attention and a big role. It sounds very much like my experience with Runestone and Seed.
But you can't do that with more than a few thousand or so. At that point, being friendly toward players becomes a burden, because it is impossible to give each subscriber, each corp, each alliance, and each subplot the sort of individual attention needed.
You see, while CCP and EVE were being friendly toward the friends in the playerbase they made in the early days, it has grown to such proportions that they could no longer realistically maintain that level of intimate concern. There were many new players who needed help, consideration, and professional quality control, and frankly, never got it.
The CS most players got in 2005 was about as bad as SOE. In fact, worse. Because at least SOE sends form responses that actually indicate that they have read about the issue, and sent generic advice that may help. All CCP sent was a form letter saying more or less, "Sorry for the form letter, but we are too busy to handle your issue. Resubmit, and better luck next time."
I bet you though that if the leader of ASCN, or Band of Brothers needs help, they won't get the form letter. After all, they stuck by CCP in the lean times, and CCP feels obligated to stick by them, no doubt.
But that sort of loyalty and friendship toward the faithful does not really help the fresh player who has no connection, and no desire to connect with those old timers. They pay just as much, and do not get the friend treatment. in fact, they get worse. They get their issues, concerns, and grievances put on the shelf, because the friend-subscribers from the old days demand that CCP jump when called upon.
You see, even if a famous player from the old days gets falsely banned for selling ISK on eBay, CCP will probably send free time, or apologize, or send gifts as a way of saying, "no hard feelings." However, there are more people than I can count who get falsely banned for all sorts of crimes they didn't do, and it takes weeks to get matters resolved, if they get resolved at all.
They will get no "sorry." They will get no gifts. They will get no friendship. All they will get is a firm, "CCP would never ban a player unjustly, so you get no sympathy from me you cheat," from the EVEangelists.
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"Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it."
--Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
--Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
--Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
The CS most players got in 2005 was about as bad as SOE. In fact, worse. Because at least SOE sends form responses that actually indicate that they have read about the issue, and sent generic advice that may help. All CCP sent was a form letter saying more or less, "Sorry for the form letter, but we are too busy to handle your issue. Resubmit, and better luck next time." Heh then i assume you went off into a strop instead of resubmitting your ship loss.
But that sort of loyalty and friendship toward the faithful does not really help the fresh player who has no connection, and no desire to connect with those old timers. Hmm not true really and ccp dont show favouratism. They get their issues, concerns, and grievances put on the shelf, because the friend-subscribers from the old days demand that CCP jump when called upon. Proof please
You see, even if a famous player from the old days gets falsely banned for selling ISK on eBay, CCP will probably send free time, or apologize, or send gifts as a way of saying, "no hard feelings."Well asssuming they were inoccent id be angry if they didnt get an apology. However, there are more people than I can count who get falsely banned for all sorts of crimes they didn't do Oh really lol got any proof they werer inoccent apart from the fact they said they were., and it takes weeks to get matters resolved, if they get resolved at all.
They will get no "sorry." They will get no gifts Because they were guilty no doubt. They will get no friendship. All they will get is a firm, "CCP would never ban a player unjustly, so you get no sympathy from me you cheat," from the EVEangelists. Good cheating is bad.
Heh something tells me you used to play eve
and got banned for selling isk or some other evil.
Netherless this is off topic get on topic pls.
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"Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it."
--Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
--Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
--Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
If so then what was this 2005 thing about then there were a few posable problems in that time im curious to say the truth.