Originally posted by kptone k watever u say but. K this link shows comparison of the 6800, and the X800s and read the whole pages and than look at the final words and see whos right. heres a link: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=2044&p=2 Read every page and than go to the Final words. It shows great comparison and it states that ATI wins still. and hold on it doesnt show the 6850 numbers but it STATES that its just a 6800 OC I wonder what would happen if we OC the X800XT??? HMmm. u loose again buddy.
Yes ATI is better than NVIDEA. Nvidea is way more expensive than ATI, uses 200 watts for than the X800, and well, the X800 pwns.
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It shows great comparison and it states that ATI wins still.
and hold on it doesnt show the 6850 numbers but it STATES that its just a 6800 OC
I wonder what would happen if we OC the X800XT??? HMmm. u loose again buddy.
Wonder what you'd get if you overclocked the x800 XT? You'd get the PE. :P
As for the article, if you take the PE out of the equation, as I keep saying, much like a broken record, and compare the x800 XT to the 6800 Ultra then just going by the charts the 6800 Ultra comes out ahead of the x800 26 to 6.
Really not seeing what your point in constantly referring to the finals words was, they flat out said the reason they'd recommend the ATI over the Nvidia was the pricing and power requirements, and the fact that they don't have the 6850 Ultra stats to compare to the PE.
Richard J. Cox "There were much of the beautiful, much of the wanton, much of the bizarre, something of the terrible, and not a little of that which might have excited disgust."
Yeh true but just realize this the X800 XT was made for competition with the 6800 ultra ok.
In ur statement u say that the X800 is for the 6800 which is absolutely wrong. The whole X800 family is made to Compete with the 6800s family. The person writing it stated that the 6850 is just a OC of the 6800 but the X800 XT P.E is not a OC of a X800, basicaly that shows that the 6800 and the X800 XT are the real competitors. And as a fact is states that when the 6800 was released ATI was so fast of making the X800 that it looked like that they didnt even try hard to perform better than the 6800. IM sure when the 6850 comes out ATI will just blast another state of the art card which will outpoerform it. Thats what competition is all bout, and from reading from all that ATI requirements much lower and PRICE is much cheaper.
As for the article, if you take the PE out of the equation, as I keep saying, much like a broken record, and compare the x800 to the 6800 Ultra then just going by the charts the 6800 Ultra comes out ahead of the x800 26 to 6.
It's true. The Nvidea has won more tests, but not enough frames per second to pay an extra 100 dollars for a card that barely beats the X800.
Playing: City of Heroes/ Dark Age of Camelot Upcoming: EverQuest II
Yes ATI is better than NVIDEA. Nvidea is way more expensive than ATI, uses 200 watts for than the X800, and well, the X800 pwns.
200w more than the x800? Thats funny considering it only uses 110 or so watts total...
To satisfy the 222 million transistor behemoth's hunger for power, NVIDIA strongly suggests the use of a power supply with a minimum capacity of 480 Watts. According to NVIDIA's numbers, the 6800 Ultra draws about 110 Watts, 2/3 of which are used by the GPU. That makes its power draw about 25% higher than that of the GeForce FX 5950 Ultra. It would seem, then, that the power requirements aren't really that high. Instead, the suggestion for such a large power supply stem from the fact that in practice, systems using the 6800 Ultra will need a PSU with four power cables. Obviously, the PSU itself has to be strong enough to satisfy this requirement. (from HERE)
As for your chart? There are 50 million different reviews all over the web which say one thing or another, here, lemme throw some charts up too:
Thats just from 2 reviews, there are many more, charts don't show a lot, and for any chart you can pull from one review showing something, I guarantee there's another review out there with a chart that shows the opposite. So "Owned"? Nah, I think not.
EDIT: Toms doesn't like linked pics on their site so I replaced the charts with just links to the reviews which have said charts.
Richard J. Cox "There were much of the beautiful, much of the wanton, much of the bizarre, something of the terrible, and not a little of that which might have excited disgust."
Yes ATI is better than NVIDEA. Nvidea is way more expensive than ATI, uses 200 watts for than the X800, and well, the X800 pwns.
200w more than the x800? Thats funny considering it only uses 110 or so watts total...
That is for the graphics card alone.... And most likely no people are going to try to play a game with just their GFX card sitting on their desk. I'm talking about the whole PC altogether with the GeForce 6800, it takes up around 550 (give or take, i read this about 2 weeks ago so correct me if i'm wrong) watts of power. And i'm pretty sure the ATI was considerably less, at least 100 watts under what the 6800 Ultra is running.
Playing: City of Heroes/ Dark Age of Camelot Upcoming: EverQuest II
That is for the graphics card alone.... And most likely no people are going to try to play a game with just their GFX card sitting on their desk. I'm talking about the whole PC altogether with the GeForce 6800, it takes up around 550 (give or take, i read this about 2 weeks ago so correct me if i'm wrong) watts of power. And i'm pretty sure the ATI was considerably less, at least 100 watts under what the 6800 Ultra is running.
I'd have to find the the quote, but Nvidia themselves recommend a 480w PSU, and as stated before a good part of that comes from the fact that PSUs that high generally come with 4 power cables instead of 3. Yeah, a 550 would be wise to give yourself even more extra room to play with, but really, you can get PSUs pretty cheap, even that high of wattage.
Richard J. Cox "There were much of the beautiful, much of the wanton, much of the bizarre, something of the terrible, and not a little of that which might have excited disgust."
You know I do! Found it very interesting. Sorry for the hijack GB.
Richard J. Cox "There were much of the beautiful, much of the wanton, much of the bizarre, something of the terrible, and not a little of that which might have excited disgust."
Quote-"I don't think anyone thought the race would be this close after what has been going on over the past couple years with ATI and NVIDIA. Clearly, both camps have had their wins and losses, but it is safe to say that ATI comes out on top when it comes to DX9 and PS 2.0 performance".
As it states clearly right now ATI has the better video card out, and when the 6850 comes out ATI already has made another card that will outperform it. ATI is not that dum to let NVIDIA take over anything, after the FX series ATI has been series bout competition even more and it will not give the lead to NVIDIA
YEh thats true, Kunou uve been wrong ur whole life when saying its X800 pro vs 6800 which is absolutely wrong as ive stated from teh beginning.
ITs been the X800 pro vs 5950 ultra and the X800 XT vs 6800. In both cases overall ATI wins the race, and if u still dont believe me than obviously u havent reasearched enough to even comment here.
YEh thats true, Kunou uve been wrong ur whole life when saying its X800 pro vs 6800 which is absolutely wrong as ive stated from teh beginning.
Excuse me? I guess this proves you havn't read a single one of my posts... Here, let me quote the most recent one, which is like 15 or so posts up, where I stated the same thing I have been saying over and over:
How many times do I have to point this out to you, you keep comparing the x800 XT PE to the 6800 Ultra and thats not the right comparrison. The x800 XT and the 6800 Ultra are the two comparable cards, if you want to bring ATI's ***NEXT*** card into the equation then compare it to Nvidia's ***NEXT*** card, the 6850, not the 6800.
Where in there did I say Pro? Nowhere! I SAID XT! Next time read, then open your mouth...
Richard J. Cox "There were much of the beautiful, much of the wanton, much of the bizarre, something of the terrible, and not a little of that which might have excited disgust."
jeez, we're talking about the best card for fps and quality performance here - NOT POWER CONSUMPTION. Thinkk about it, if your going to spend $300-500 on a graphics card i think your going to have enough to buy a 550w PSU aswell.
Yeah, exactly, besides, I had decided on a 550w PSU before I ever made a decision on which card to go with.
Richard J. Cox "There were much of the beautiful, much of the wanton, much of the bizarre, something of the terrible, and not a little of that which might have excited disgust."
hey guys, im buying new computer parts, and im wondering if what i am choosing to buy is any good. I have a $700 budget, and heres the stuff im buying. Oh, and i currently have a ATI Radeon 9600XT graphics card, and a 400-watt power supply. I dont plan on upgrading the graphics card till later, when a 9800 XT is cheaper . But, if i need to, ill upgrade my power supply, feel free to suggest something . Okay, heres what im getting.
If i were u id get the AMD athlon 64 3000+ its the same price as the P4 and DDR memory best runs on AMD if ur going P4 than get Rambus memory cause thats the best.
Anyways i reccomend u get a AMD athlon 64 its real nice and also will be faster tlhyan u 3ghz im sure.
i dunno about the AMD.... i allready have an AMD Athalon XP 2400+, and i dont like it that much... it doesnt perform well over time. I kinda wanna go with the P4, since ill be multi-tasking, and i hear that they maintain a good speed constantly and dont go crappy like my AMD. So meh, i think AMD and Intel are just personall preference... ill go with the P4, as for Rambus... is that a company? or a type of RAM? sorry.. i only know a little bout hardware.
Do not get Rambus, its outdated and has no future use(no more rdram boards). I have a p4 with it, it isn't worth the price. I also have a amd 64, it really kills my p4 in every game. It is much better than the old xp's and right now it is putting the hurt in the p4(especially the prescott). In the XP days, the P4 might have been better, now amd 64 is much better. I recommend going with a amd 64.
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really? i mean, if the difference in performance is much better than the P4 then i might get it... Also, there is the price factor, if it is too much for my budget, then ill have to pass. Another thing, is it like the XP's where it craps out after 30mins, or is it like a pentium and stays good for a long long time? Cause thats really the factor that turned me away from AMD. Thanks for the suggestion, im looking through AMD mobo's right now on www.newegg.com (its where im getting all my parts).
I have my AMD overclocked to 3200+ and it's been like that for almost six months. So to answer your question, no... they don't crap out after 30 minutes.
well.... im really not one of the "overclocking" types. I get kinda nervous with it and think my stuff is going to break, meh, its just how i am. I just want something nice and stable, and im planning on buying a 9800 XT later, so i just want this thing to run at least "medium" on EQ2. I think if i buy an extra gig of RAM later on, then my "future pc" with a P4 3.0 ghz HT, 2 gigs of Corsair XMS pc3200 RAM will run nice and smooth. Thats all im looking for, a nice stable, smooth running gaming pc.
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"Unlike me, many of you have accepted the situation of your imprisonment and will die here like rotten cabbages."- Number Six's speech from "Free for All"
You should deffinitly consider getting a processor with more cache since the price difference is usually very minimal and can really reflect the difference in performance. As well you may want to consider buying an Ati X800 XT or Nvidia 6800 Ultra considering there price difference is minimal in comparison to the 9800 XT and as well perform at much higher speeds and double the pipelines that the 9800 XT has.
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Yes ATI is better than NVIDEA. Nvidea is way more expensive than ATI, uses 200 watts for than the X800, and well, the X800 pwns.
Owned!
Playing: City of Heroes/ Dark Age of Camelot
Upcoming: EverQuest II
Wonder what you'd get if you overclocked the x800 XT? You'd get the PE. :P
As for the article, if you take the PE out of the equation, as I keep saying, much like a broken record, and compare the x800 XT to the 6800 Ultra then just going by the charts the 6800 Ultra comes out ahead of the x800 26 to 6.
Really not seeing what your point in constantly referring to the finals words was, they flat out said the reason they'd recommend the ATI over the Nvidia was the pricing and power requirements, and the fact that they don't have the 6850 Ultra stats to compare to the PE.
Richard J. Cox
"There were much of the beautiful, much of the wanton, much of the bizarre, something of the terrible, and not a little of that which might have excited disgust."
Yeh true but just realize this the X800 XT was made for competition with the 6800 ultra ok.
In ur statement u say that the X800 is for the 6800 which is absolutely wrong. The whole X800 family is made to Compete with the 6800s family. The person writing it stated that the 6850 is just a OC of the 6800 but the X800 XT P.E is not a OC of a X800, basicaly that shows that the 6800 and the X800 XT are the real competitors. And as a fact is states that when the 6800 was released ATI was so fast of making the X800 that it looked like that they didnt even try hard to perform better than the 6800. IM sure when the 6850 comes out ATI will just blast another state of the art card which will outpoerform it. Thats what competition is all bout, and from reading from all that ATI requirements much lower and PRICE is much cheaper.
As for the article, if you take the PE out of the equation, as I keep saying, much like a broken record, and compare the x800 to the 6800 Ultra then just going by the charts the 6800 Ultra comes out ahead of the x800 26 to 6.
It's true. The Nvidea has won more tests, but not enough frames per second to pay an extra 100 dollars for a card that barely beats the X800.
Playing: City of Heroes/ Dark Age of Camelot
Upcoming: EverQuest II
200w more than the x800? Thats funny considering it only uses 110 or so watts total...
As for your chart? There are 50 million different reviews all over the web which say one thing or another, here, lemme throw some charts up too:
Actually here are the links instead:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=2044&p=1
http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20040414/index.html
Thats just from 2 reviews, there are many more, charts don't show a lot, and for any chart you can pull from one review showing something, I guarantee there's another review out there with a chart that shows the opposite. So "Owned"? Nah, I think not.
EDIT: Toms doesn't like linked pics on their site so I replaced the charts with just links to the reviews which have said charts.
Richard J. Cox
"There were much of the beautiful, much of the wanton, much of the bizarre, something of the terrible, and not a little of that which might have excited disgust."
200w more than the x800? Thats funny considering it only uses 110 or so watts total...
That is for the graphics card alone.... And most likely no people are going to try to play a game with just their GFX card sitting on their desk. I'm talking about the whole PC altogether with the GeForce 6800, it takes up around 550 (give or take, i read this about 2 weeks ago so correct me if i'm wrong) watts of power. And i'm pretty sure the ATI was considerably less, at least 100 watts under what the 6800 Ultra is running.
Playing: City of Heroes/ Dark Age of Camelot
Upcoming: EverQuest II
I'd have to find the the quote, but Nvidia themselves recommend a 480w PSU, and as stated before a good part of that comes from the fact that PSUs that high generally come with 4 power cables instead of 3. Yeah, a 550 would be wise to give yourself even more extra room to play with, but really, you can get PSUs pretty cheap, even that high of wattage.
Richard J. Cox
"There were much of the beautiful, much of the wanton, much of the bizarre, something of the terrible, and not a little of that which might have excited disgust."
You know I do!
Found it very interesting. 
Sorry for the hijack GB. 
Richard J. Cox
"There were much of the beautiful, much of the wanton, much of the bizarre, something of the terrible, and not a little of that which might have excited disgust."
Quote-"I don't think anyone thought the race would be this close after what has been going on over the past couple years with ATI and NVIDIA. Clearly, both camps have had their wins and losses, but it is safe to say that ATI comes out on top when it comes to DX9 and PS 2.0 performance".
As it states clearly right now ATI has the better video card out, and when the 6850 comes out ATI already has made another card that will outperform it. ATI is not that dum to let NVIDIA take over anything, after the FX series ATI has been series bout competition even more and it will not give the lead to NVIDIA
YEh thats true, Kunou uve been wrong ur whole life when saying its X800 pro vs 6800 which is absolutely wrong as ive stated from teh beginning.
ITs been the X800 pro vs 5950 ultra and the X800 XT vs 6800. In both cases overall ATI wins the race, and if u still dont believe me than obviously u havent reasearched enough to even comment here.
http://bit-tech.net/images/review/325/splintercell-test4.php
- This shows the FX rendering the shadows correctly and not just through the boards like the ATI.
http://bit-tech.net/images/review/325/splintercell-test3.php#
http://bit-tech.net/images/review/325/ut2004.php
http://bit-tech.net/images/review/325/cod.php
http://bit-tech.net/images/review/325/halo.php
http://www.bit-tech.net/review/3
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Excuse me? I guess this proves you havn't read a single one of my posts... Here, let me quote the most recent one, which is like 15 or so posts up, where I stated the same thing I have been saying over and over:
Where in there did I say Pro? Nowhere! I SAID XT! Next time read, then open your mouth...
Richard J. Cox
"There were much of the beautiful, much of the wanton, much of the bizarre, something of the terrible, and not a little of that which might have excited disgust."
Yeah, exactly, besides, I had decided on a 550w PSU before I ever made a decision on which card to go with.
Richard J. Cox
"There were much of the beautiful, much of the wanton, much of the bizarre, something of the terrible, and not a little of that which might have excited disgust."
hey guys, im buying new computer parts, and im wondering if what i am choosing to buy is any good. I have a $700 budget, and heres the stuff im buying. Oh, and i currently have a ATI Radeon 9600XT graphics card, and a 400-watt power supply. I dont plan on upgrading the graphics card till later, when a 9800 XT is cheaper
. But, if i need to, ill upgrade my power supply, feel free to suggest something 
. Okay, heres what im getting.
Quantity Product
1x Western Digital Special Edition 80GB 7200RPM IDE Hard Drive, Model WD800JB, OEM Drive Only
2x Corsair XMS Extreme Memory Speed Series 184 Pin 512MB DDR PC-3200 - OEM
1x ASUS "P4P800-E Deluxe" i865PE Chipset Motherboard for Intel Socket 478 CPU -RETAIL
1x Intel Pentium 4/ 3.0C GHz 800MHz FSB, 512KB L2 Cache, Hyper Threading Technology - Retail
Total Cost: $630.00 (as of 6/28/04 price may change)
So.... any suggestions?
If i were u id get the AMD athlon 64 3000+ its the same price as the P4 and DDR memory best runs on AMD if ur going P4 than get Rambus memory cause thats the best.
Anyways i reccomend u get a AMD athlon 64 its real nice and also will be faster tlhyan u 3ghz im sure.
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"Those who sacrifice liberty in the name of security deserve neither"- Ben Franklin
"Unlike me, many of you have accepted the situation of your imprisonment and will die here like rotten cabbages."- Number Six's speech from "Free for All"
What will he do next?
I'm going to sell my current PC and buy another one soon.
I want SATA HDDs, Nvidia 6800... 2Gb RAM, 64bit CPU... Another SB Audigy 2 ZS..
What will he do next?
niiice..djin, where the hell did you get that cash!?
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"Those who sacrifice liberty in the name of security deserve neither"- Ben Franklin
"Unlike me, many of you have accepted the situation of your imprisonment and will die here like rotten cabbages."- Number Six's speech from "Free for All"
You should deffinitly consider getting a processor with more cache since the price difference is usually very minimal and can really reflect the difference in performance. As well you may want to consider buying an Ati X800 XT or Nvidia 6800 Ultra considering there price difference is minimal in comparison to the 9800 XT and as well perform at much higher speeds and double the pipelines that the 9800 XT has.
Your scathing wit and daring insight into the turbulent political crags of the internet are shining beacons of truth and purity for the slight remaining masses of visionless hypocriticial sheep who bleat at the thought of your glory
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