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  • ArcheusCrossArcheusCross Member Posts: 793

    Originally posted by ThaneB

    Originally posted by PreCU


    calm down. Don't go all "get over it" 'n stuff. We've all had a creepy uncle touch us in inappropriate ways some time ago. Best thing to do is talk about it, inform others, and discuss relevant issues.

    Of course this is true. But should you tell the world 100+ times about it. If everybody's heard the story what's the point of constantly repeating it. Exactly it's pointless. A complete waste of time.

    HEY BUDDY HOW YA DOING? guess what.... im not going to stop my anti-soe stuff untill swg has its plug pulled... so you better get used to it...

    OH by the way... sorry to tell you but not everyone has heard yet.... we get a "how is this game, should i try it out?" every week or so...

    anywho, im not going anywhere or shutting up. So... get over us and theres the door *points* it was your choice to come in here the first place...

    "Do not fret! Your captain is about to enter Valhalla!" - General Beatrix of Alexandria

    "The acquisition of knowledge is of use to the intellect, for nothing can be loved or hated without first being known." - Leo da Vinci

  • ThaneBThaneB Member Posts: 131

    Originally posted by ArcheusCross


     
    Originally posted by ThaneB

    Originally posted by PreCU


    calm down. Don't go all "get over it" 'n stuff. We've all had a creepy uncle touch us in inappropriate ways some time ago. Best thing to do is talk about it, inform others, and discuss relevant issues.

    Of course this is true. But should you tell the world 100+ times about it. If everybody's heard the story what's the point of constantly repeating it. Exactly it's pointless. A complete waste of time.

     

    HEY BUDDY HOW YA DOING? guess what.... im not going to stop my anti-soe stuff untill swg has its plug pulled... so you better get used to it...

    OH by the way... sorry to tell you but not everyone has heard yet.... we get a "how is this game, should i try it out?" every week or so...

    anywho, im not going anywhere or shutting up. So... get over us and theres the door *points* it was your choice to come in here the first place...

    Hey buddy why are you being so hostile?. Read the posts I just made previously. This discussion is finished. I've made my point, you've made yours. You've got your own opinion and I've got mine. I'm tired of debating with you.  So good night. I'm off to go to bed.

    You can't say that civilization don't advance, however, for in every war they kill you in a new way.
    -Will Rogers

  • GaylenGaylen Member Posts: 113

    Why do you make the assumption that no other SWG vet has found another game to play? Why do NGE fans always assert this narrative that SWG vets do nothing but sit in their basements and blog about SWG?



    Of course vets are doing other things. Of course we are finding other games. We are just still unhappy our game went to hell. (People still bitch about TPM after 10 years, this is what the SW fandom does.)



    We got screwed by a company. Every consumer warns others away from companies that treat their customers like crap. Anytime it comes up, even with complete strangers, I encourage people who can to avoid Comcast at all costs. I have a story about Davids Bridal that I tell every bride-to-be I meet.



    When a company is confronted with their terrible treatment of their customers and they refuse to  acknowledge the offenses occurred, let alone offer compensation, then their future potential customers ought to hear about it. The gaming industry doesn't have a Better Business Bureau, so spreading the word on the internet is the next best thing.



    So your assumption that the presence of a vet on message boards to talk about SWG inherently means they aren't playing anything else is flawed. I could make the same assumption about you. No matter how many times you tell us you're a vet and you've totally moved on ('The lady doth protest too much, methinks.), that you really must have an empty life if you felt compelled to rant about people who rant about SWG.



    And your comment about women holding grudges just confirms you're an asshole. You want to make a tired, unoriginal "on the rag" joke while you're at it? If you can't find a way to express yourself without taking a crack at chicks, then you can shut your own huge mouth.

    Previous played: SWG (pre-NGE), DAoC, CoH, Anarchy Online, DDO, Champions Online Beta, LOTRO, GW2, SWTOR
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  • firefly2003firefly2003 Member UncommonPosts: 2,527

    I do all kinds of other things besides bash $OE  and the NGE turd I play about 4 -5 other games rotate them around each month till they are completed....


  • ArcAngel3ArcAngel3 Member Posts: 2,931

     

    Originally posted by ThaneB


     
    Originally posted by Harleyrider


    I disagreed with parts of your posts, but that's just me giving my opinion regarding the method of delivery in the initial post. My opinion and $1.90 will get you a cup o' joe at Starbucks.  And, just for the record, you originally accused Demalus of putting words in your mouth, not me.
    Again, I agree with your sentiment that vets should try a new game and see if they like it. I'm not bashing you, I'm saying you're right, trying a new game, MMO or not, is a good idea and can be healthy for some people. Are we now haggling over the degree to which I agree with you on that point? lol

     

    lol sorry about that sometimes I get too passionate about my views. I probably confused your two posts.  I am clearly going crazy over this lol ,  no sarcasm intended. I also apologize for telling SWG veterans to shut up. But I am tired of hearing your stories over a hundred times. I'm a SWG veteran for crying out loud, I've lived it.  I've been through the CU and NGE. I know what you've been through. You guys have got to understand that. You guys have had 3 years to find a game to replace SWG. I am sorry if you haven't found any good mmorpgs. I myself couldn't find one to replace SWG, so I am playing single player games until a good one finally shows up.

    Thanks for the respect you show in this post to others who see things differently.  It reads much better than your first one. 

    This may have been just a casual pastime for you, and that's totally cool.  Others invested a lot of emotional energy into building guilds, cities and being part of an online community.  The events had a variety of impacts on different people depending on their unique circumstances.  I know people who were recovering from serious illness or injury who used this game as their main source of social interaction.  I know others who invested a lot of emotion into taming virtual pets.  Some of them are kids.  They were heart-broken when they lost all their pets, and their parents were really pissed.  Others gave SOE a year's worth of sub money based on misleading development chats promoting things in the last expansion that SOE and LEC had already decided to delete, without telling the customers.  These people feel literally robbed, and they haven't got their money back still.  So, perhaps you can see that while you are correct, SWG is a video game, the meaning and significance it has for people is quite different, and the losses people experienced and emotions they felt as a result are also quite varied.

     

    Tbh I think SOE and LEC could do plenty to help people get past this.  I think they could refund subscription money paid beyond Nov. 15, 2005 on the basis of the misleading dev chats.  They've been asked to do this, but have refused.  They could officially apologize for misleading people about the last expansion and surprising them with the NGE.  They could offer classic servers, or give their blessing to SWG emulators for those that lost their game.  They could even at the very least fix the major issues caused by the NGE that they promised to fix the day after it was released, which they still haven't fixed btw.

    Unfortunately, they have done none of the above.  Should people be able to find a way to get past the emotional distress even if SOE and LEC continue to be hostile or indifferent?  In a perfect world, yes, but I'm aware this can be challenging.  I personally don't feel hurt or vengeful.  I've essentially forgiven people for the mistreatment and deception I experienced.  I do recognize that wrongs were done though, and continue to warn people about the history of player mistreatment in this game.  I guess I don't like seeing people treated like sh*t, and I don't like seeing this kind of treatment go on virtually unchecked.  I still think SOE should change the way the do business, and I still think they should be held accountable for their actions.

  • AmieheAmiehe Member Posts: 24

    Hey Thane, just curious what game are you now playing, what game did you move on to?? Also I agree with your post, just let the dam horse die already....and yes I am a vet from beta....and yes I really REALLY miss the old SWG, but that is life, things change and they are out of our control.....this does not mean I am happy with it.

  • airborne519airborne519 Member Posts: 542

    Don't know if you know this, but the makers of Oblivion are planning an mmo version. 

    Sorry for hijacking..

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  • I play EVE.

    Any SWG vet who found a new game that isn't EVE...  Is playing a version of the NGE.  Seriously.

     

  • AmieheAmiehe Member Posts: 24

    holy crap really??? what is the oblivion one called?? and where did you get your info?

  • ArcheusCrossArcheusCross Member Posts: 793

    Originally posted by ThaneB


     
    Originally posted by ArcheusCross


     
    Originally posted by ThaneB

    Originally posted by PreCU


    calm down. Don't go all "get over it" 'n stuff. We've all had a creepy uncle touch us in inappropriate ways some time ago. Best thing to do is talk about it, inform others, and discuss relevant issues.

    Of course this is true. But should you tell the world 100+ times about it. If everybody's heard the story what's the point of constantly repeating it. Exactly it's pointless. A complete waste of time.

     

    HEY BUDDY HOW YA DOING? guess what.... im not going to stop my anti-soe stuff untill swg has its plug pulled... so you better get used to it...

    OH by the way... sorry to tell you but not everyone has heard yet.... we get a "how is this game, should i try it out?" every week or so...

    anywho, im not going anywhere or shutting up. So... get over us and theres the door *points* it was your choice to come in here the first place...

     

    Hey buddy why are you being so hostile?. Read the posts I just made previously. This discussion is finished. I've made my point, you've made yours. You've got your own opinion and I've got mine. I'm tired of debating with you.  So good night. I'm off to go to bed.

    Meh mostly because im ticked at people coming in here and saying get over it when they don't even try to put it in perspective.... oh well though.. c ya later! ill still be here! :)

    "Do not fret! Your captain is about to enter Valhalla!" - General Beatrix of Alexandria

    "The acquisition of knowledge is of use to the intellect, for nothing can be loved or hated without first being known." - Leo da Vinci

  • ArcheusCrossArcheusCross Member Posts: 793

    Originally posted by airborne519


    Don't know if you know this, but the makers of Oblivion are planning an mmo version. 
    Sorry for hijacking..

    Link or it didnt happen :)

    "Do not fret! Your captain is about to enter Valhalla!" - General Beatrix of Alexandria

    "The acquisition of knowledge is of use to the intellect, for nothing can be loved or hated without first being known." - Leo da Vinci

  • airborne519airborne519 Member Posts: 542

    Originally posted by Amiehe


    holy crap really??? what is the oblivion one called?? and where did you get your info?
    Forgive me, that I didn't state the source.. but I couldn't be for sure where I read it, but I think it may have originated at this site

    http://www.massively.com/

    I will do some searching and post if I find it.  I did for sure read it, I didn't pull it out of thin air.

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  • AmieheAmiehe Member Posts: 24

    Im not doubting you man, just very curious as I have actually wanted that for a while

  • GaylenGaylen Member Posts: 113

     

    Originally posted by salvaje


    I play EVE.
    Any SWG vet who found a new game that isn't EVE...  Is playing a version of the NGE.  Seriously.
     

    The difference is they know that going in before they purchase the game and fork over months worth of subscription fees. They are playing the game they paid for, which wasn't the case with the NGE.

     

    Previous played: SWG (pre-NGE), DAoC, CoH, Anarchy Online, DDO, Champions Online Beta, LOTRO, GW2, SWTOR
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  • vet-in-exilevet-in-exile Member Posts: 239

    Why would we quit when we are winning? Log in to any mmorpg and mention SWG in the general or ooc chat. You'll get dozens of people bashing SOE and SWG. Go in to any store that sells computer games and you'll find that SWG isn't even on the shelves any longer because it has such a bad reputation. Go look at any gaming related forum and bring up SWG and again you'll get dozens of responses about how bad SOE screwed up.

     

    Look at Vanguard and Pirates of the Burning Sea...both games were DOA as soon as they announced they were partnering with SOE.

     

    Look at Smed's latest interviews where he talks about how he doesn't want to make games for "computer nerds" any more and wants to move completely to console games that use microtransaction scams.

     

    The true SWG vets are winning so there is no reason for us to quit fighting.

  • airborne519airborne519 Member Posts: 542

     

     

    Originally posted by ArcheusCross


     
    Originally posted by airborne519


    Don't know if you know this, but the makers of Oblivion are planning an mmo version. 
    Sorry for hijacking..

     

    Link or it didnt happen :)

     

    http://www.massively.com/2007/10/26/bethesda-mmo-studio-sees-substantial-investment/

    http://www.videogamer.com/ps3/the_elder_scrolls_iv_oblivion/news-4833.html

     Sorry, I know better..

    =)

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  • DracusDracus Member Posts: 1,449

    Originally posted by ThaneB


     
    This discussion is finished. I've made my point, you've made yours. You've got your own opinion and I've got mine. I'm tired of debating with you.  So good night. I'm off to go to bed.
    So in the end, did your viewpoint make other entities here to join the "SOE move on" movement or just stirred up the hornets nest?

     

    Wasted effort eh.

    And that is why...

    Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.

  • Makaveli04Makaveli04 Member Posts: 39

    This whole thread, and OP = /fail

  • FishermageFishermage Member Posts: 7,562


    Originally posted by ThaneB
    I am writing this thread to show the stupidity of many SWG veterans. Which makes all SWG veterans, including myself look like complete lunatics. Please read the entire thread before you post anything. Trolls, I advise you all to stay clear of this thread. I am an SWG veteran, and this thread's intention isn't to try to justify the NGE. The true purpose of this thread is to tell every fellow SWG veteran to finally shut their huge mouths, and find a new fun game to play. Just like I did. Yes I'm a genius I managed to find a game other than SWG. Please feel free to congratulate me (sarcasm).
    I am very surprised and annoyed by the fact that people are still whining about the NGE and CU. It has been 3 years ladies and gentlemen. Three years!, how can you hold a grudge for so long? This next sentence will sound very sexist, and I apologize. The only people I've seen hold grudges for that long are women. You guys sound like complete fools when you whine about something that occured a few years back.
    All of you that disagree with me will probably try to counter this argument by saying that you spent time and money on this game. So your telling me that every game that you played and got tired of and quit, was a waste of your time and money. My friends that is exactly what it sounds like. You had fun with SWG right? that's all that matters. Move on to a new game, no game is eternal. The only games that are eternal are vaporware.
    There are many great games out there. Trust me you'll find one you like. I was one of those that was pissed off at SOE for ruining SWG, but I moved on. Yes SWG was one of my favorite games, but I got sick and tired of whining about something I had no power over. Just stay clear of SWG and play a game you do enjoy. Crying imagewill get you nowhere. It will just make you miserable.
     


    Obviously you want people to continue to complain about the NGE, otherwise, why post and incite it?

    The fact is, the DEVs STILL show they have learned nothing from the NGE, and the game, while they have made some improvements, still shows the signs of NGE-ness.

    Also, they continue to make the same mistakes over and over an over again.

    I play many games I enjoy, my life is wonderful, blissful, I am quite happy. That has nothing to do with doing the right thing and calling the repeated unethical actions that SOE has done exactly what they are, It is insane that it bothers YOU. If you can't handle people and their opinions, I suggest you find another forums, or leave the internet entirely. Obviously it wasn't made for you but was rather made for people who can actually handle other people and their divergent positions on various subjects.

  • FishermageFishermage Member Posts: 7,562


    Originally posted by ThaneB
    Originally posted by demalus Why should anyone have to "get over it"?
     
    THAT is what's really pathetic here.  Let's all just forget that we are angry and pretend like everything is alright.  Your way of thinking is inherently flawed.  Now, I agree that the hate mongering is also unnecessary.  It's simply uncalled for, just like posts telling people to get over it.  If anything, the whining shows how much people liked the original game (which they won't soon find again).
     
    I respect your opinion on this topic, but I have no respect for your ideology.  Let the people say what they will.  The only reason they continue to whine is because they aren't as fortunate as you are to have found a better game.  Try to understand what they are saying from their point of view rather than assume everyone is like yourself.
    They should get over it, because it is a game!. I didn't assume everyone was like myself. I  was asking everyone to stop bickering. Where did you even get the idea that I think people think like me? My ideology is fine. Your acting like I'm telling people to change their lifestyle. I didn't mean to make anyone angry, but what you are saying is very annoying, and it's the same stuff I've been hearing for years from several SWG veterans.
    Continue your whining. You clearly do not understand what I was trying to say. I was just trying to help you deal with the fact that SWG is now awful and will never change.  By the way I didn't say I found a better game. Again you are putting words in my mouth!
    Who respects someone's opinion and then bashes it? Go back to crying about SWG. I didn't know a game could really make someone so mad. But I guess you learn a new thing everyday.
     

    You are obviously intentionally trying to incite people. I assume you are enjoying what you have done.

  • FishermageFishermage Member Posts: 7,562


    Originally posted by ThaneB
     
    Originally posted by Harleyrider Actually, I was agreeing with the part of your original post in which you suggested people should try other games and see if one suited them. I mentioned that in my second post, saying I think that point you made is spot-on and related how I experienced the same thing you did above. I agree with you wholeheartedly on that point.
    I just disagreed on the part about telling people to shut up and get over it because you thought they should. I also didn't think you should accuse someone of putting words in your mouth and then try to change the tone of your original message by claiming you were doing something less inflammatory.
     
    You did put words in my mouth. I clearly said that I am no longer playing mmos, and I am currently playing Oblivion. I didn't say that it was better than SWG. I am just enjoying playing it. I wasn't claiming anything. I said what I said. I just toned it down, because you didn't understand my message, and kept picking out my words, so you could prove your argument by bashing me. You just kept picking out things, like "shut up",  "get over it". My original message was meant to be clear and solid. That is the only reason it sounds hostile. In fact I made it sound friendly in the second half. Since you like picking out words so much I call SWG veterans "my friends". It wasn't sarcastic, and it shows that I have respect for disgruntled SWG veterans. I just want you guys to stop whining so you can finally be happy. I used the word whining, because that was the word I used  in my original post. I wanted to change it to get my message across clearly, but you would bash me for changing my words. I didn't make this thread to bash SWG veterans, I made it so SWG veterans can finally move on.

    If you wanted vets to be happy you wouldn't incite things the way you did. You are simply trolling; intentionally attacking people who did not do the same to you here; your tactics are blatant and obvious.

    Obviously you have an ulterior motive here; you WANT people to continue attacking the NGE and decided to stir folks up. That would be the only logical reason for trolling the way you are here.

  • EvilsamEvilsam Member UncommonPosts: 200

    The op's post was for one purpose and one purpose only..It wasn't to state an opinion,a view or any other rational..

    It was simply to try and piss people off. doubt he is a SWG vet from pre-cu .sounds more like SOE's targeted player to me.Low attention span and IQ to match.

    That in my opinion

  • FishermageFishermage Member Posts: 7,562


    Originally posted by ThaneB
    Originally posted by Harleyrider I disagreed with parts of your posts, but that's just me giving my opinion regarding the method of delivery in the initial post. My opinion and $1.90 will get you a cup o' joe at Starbucks.  And, just for the record, you originally accused Demalus of putting words in your mouth, not me.
    Again, I agree with your sentiment that vets should try a new game and see if they like it. I'm not bashing you, I'm saying you're right, trying a new game, MMO or not, is a good idea and can be healthy for some people. Are we now haggling over the degree to which I agree with you on that point? lol
    lol sorry about that sometimes I get too passionate about my views. I probably confused your two posts.  I am clearly going crazy over this lol ,  no sarcasm intended. I also apologize for telling SWG veterans to shut up. But I am tired of hearing your stories over a hundred times. I'm a SWG veteran for crying out loud, I've lived it.  I've been through the CU and NGE. I know what you've been through. You guys have got to understand that. You guys have had 3 years to find a game to replace SWG. I am sorry if you haven't found any good mmorpgs. I myself couldn't find one to replace SWG, so I am playing single player games until a good one finally shows up.

    If you can't handle other people's opinions, then it is time you left the internet. So you can be happy.

  • FishermageFishermage Member Posts: 7,562


    Originally posted by Dracus
    Originally posted by ThaneB  
    This discussion is finished. I've made my point, you've made yours. You've got your own opinion and I've got mine. I'm tired of debating with you.  So good night. I'm off to go to bed.
    So in the end, did your viewpoint make other entities here to join the "SOE move on" movement or just stirred up the hornets nest?

     
    Wasted effort eh.



    Actually I think he got exactly what he was aiming for.

  • FishermageFishermage Member Posts: 7,562


    Originally posted by Evilsam
    The op's post was for one purpose and one purpose only..It wasn't to state an opinion,a view or any other rational..
    It was simply to try and piss people off. doubt he is a SWG vet from pre-cu .sounds more like SOE's targeted player to me.Low attention span and IQ to match.
    That in my opinion

    Just as likely a fellow angry vet creating a character so he can stir up the boards since they were calming down lately.

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