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Mythbusting EVE for Potentials
hauptmann85
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Ever since the news of Dust 541 (or was it 514? 415? Bahhh....), I really wanted to give it a try. Unfortunately, there are some things said about the game that has prevented me from playing it sooner, so I hope you guys can clear some things up.
1) "If you don't know anyone who plays this game, you're going to get raped."
2) "All you ever do in this game is mine, mine, mine, mine, mine, and mine even more ores from asterioids."
3) "The game is old, so everyone in there is already l33t and you'll feel out of place." (Kind of pertains to no. 1)
4) "It's a true sandbox game, so you can permanently too everything and all the months/years you put into it can be for nothing."
Just trying to get a better picture of the game. I did try the 14-day free trial, but something tells me, I barley even scatched the surface.
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You hear that? I think that's the mob of people who are going to tell you that EVE is the best thing since sliced bread coming.
Anyway, that's kind of the same impression I got. I didn't like how you had to be patient in order to enjoy the game. I'm not impatient, it's just that I play games to alleviate the burden of time, not the opposite.
This statement is false.
1) There are plenty of corporations out there that are more than happy to help new players. Look up Eve University. They will help you learn the ropes and give you people to fly with so space isn't quite as lonely.
2) If you do not want to mine, don't mine. It is as simple as that. Go out and run missions. Do some ratting with that corporation that you joined. Go make people explode and take their stuffs and sell it back to them at exorbitant prices. (personal favorite)
3) While there are plenty of old players in the game, that does not mean that you cannot kill them and find your place. It is a simple matter to make a T1 frigate something that a battleship will have to worry about. Mind you, you will most definitely be taking on said battleship with friends, but that T1 frigate is important in making sure the battleship doesn't get away.
4) Eve is a sandbox. You need to find your own way. Set yourself some goals and go from there. Go out to have a good time. It's better to try and make a decision as to what path you want to take early on. Do you want to become an industrial guru? Perhaps one of the mercenary corporations is more to your liking, or maybe you want to become cannon fodder for one of the larger alliances that reside out in 0.0 space. Once you know what general path you want to go along, that gives you a purpose to play the game. But, all that said, Eve is a sandbox.
If you wake up one day and decide you want to try and rival some of the mining conglomerates rather than take their iskies the explosive way, go for it. That is what is so great about Eve. You can do pretty much every part of the game without having to make some major change to your play time or do insane grinding for money. I say almost every part because affording your own personal capital ship can be a bit daunting for a casual player based in Empire.
There is a lot to Eve that cannot be seen in 14 days. Odds of you getting to witness a major alliance fleet operation in 0.0 are pretty slim on a 14 day trial, but, at the least, you can experience some smaller scale pvp around Empire and low-sec. My suggestion is to search for some Eve blogs. Read what people are writing about their experiences. There are some pretty interesting stories to be told out there, and it will give you some insight into what can happen without having to be at the receiving end of a gatecamp into your 0.0 space.
ive been playing the game since beta, and here are a few things that arent myths (mostly in regards to pvp):
- the game is a giant grind if you enjoy pvp. pvp is expensive once you skill up for t2/t3 ships. you will lose a lot, and it hurts. there are a few ways of making money efficiently, and theyre extremely boring. for the most part, this is what did me in.
- which brings me to the next point: the game is a huge timesink. ive never ever experienced another activity IRL that requires this much dedication. pvp ops can take hours. making enough for a new tech 2 ship can take 4-5 hours for a seasoned player. unless youre just playing with the market and doing PVE, other people will usually dictate how much time you spend in EVE per day, and how much fun you have.
- balanced pvp is difficult to find. if you enjoy small-gang warfare, you may roam for hours before finding a good fight. most people dont like joining blobs, but tend to do so anyway just to preserve their ship and get on some killmails
- you will get decimated by older players. they will have faction mods, t2 or t3 ships, vent, several alts scouting, experience. if anyone tells you otherwise, that's the myth. griefing noobs is everyone's favourite activity in EVE. a kill is a kill.
- you will never catch up. some will say you can train up for pvp in a few days and "tackle". tackling is boring, you will be the first to die because more advanced ships/equipment will melt you in seconds, and you'll contribute next to nothing. in reality it will take you 4-6 months to train up for a decent t2 ship and to be effective
- depending on your standards, you may need to invest several months into the game before you can start to have fun. even when you unlock the best gear and ships, there is no guarantee you will find the fun
- again, depending on your standards, you may never find a good corp. i was a part of a few good ones, but ultimately you will get tired of depending on others to engage in pvp. having a coordinated group and scouts is a necessity if you wanna keep your ship.
i played EVE for a few years, did just about everything, flew many ships and had lots of assets, was a part of some of the best pvp corps. i quit because i got tired of looking for a good fight, and of grinding in order to pvp. unfortunately, the entire game revolves around people losing their ships and grinding for new ones.
if you enjoy the monotonous pve of EVE, then most of the things i stated may not apply.
1. It would be best to join a corp to learn the ropes, you can also learn from other groups in game. It's alot more fun with other people, personally I play "alone" but I don't. I just like being in my own corp, so I can make my own rules. I do run a little bit with other people.... but there is actually alot to do solo.
2. I just bought a miner char for 2bil. But, before that I never mined.
3. Nope. New and old players and alts. Plus, it's a game where levels don't matter after about 6 months or so.... which is about the same as a game with a level cap. The old players can do alot more things than you and always will be able to, but you can get to most of them eventually.
4. I don't even know what this means. "so you can permanently too everything" wtf? lol
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You forgot to mention the "haha let's go play spreadsheets" one.
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Thank you very much for the feed back.
As for no. 4, What I was told is that one you're ship is destroyed, it's gone - forever, unless you buy insurance. Is this true for assets and money?
Dust 514, is REALLY sparking my interest, but if I have any advantage for being an EVE player when the game comes out, I'll be in for sure.
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You can insure your ship
but not the things attached to or in it
You can insure your clones skillpoints
but not the implants the clone has plugged in.
Ship Insurance comes in a few flavours from None to Full
None - gets you a brand new shiny 'noobship'
Full - generally gets you more than you paid (but not always)
Clone insurance starts at None aswell, then ramps up in cost by SP preserved
None - you will lose some of any Skill Points aquired over 900,000
Some of the responses you'll might not make a lot of sense until you see the game and how things work. To that end, it has a free trial so what is lost except a little time? You'll find even more time lost if you enjoy it and end up subbing right?
I can understand wanting reassurance, but you're in the EvE forum, you're going to here the postives (and a few negatives I'm sure). Until you try it yourself though, it's all just ear candy.
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1. Eh, with the tutorial system and help channel these days, this is most definitely a myth--maybe back in 2004 when I started it was true, but definitely not now.
2. I haven't touched an asteroid belt for about 5 years now (other than chasing ratters and miners) and am fairly rich.
3. There is a certain element of truth to this, however there are plenty of newbie corps out there willing to train you up and teach you how to play. After about ~6 months or less of experience + skill training I can guarantee you could be an asset to the best of corps or Alliances.
4. It is a sandbox game, but this is a plus, not a minus. There is no 'leveling' or 'gearing' system perse so you can't really 'rank' the top players in the game, but I still can't see how this is a minus. I don't really understand the meaning of this question, I'm sorry.
Eve is either a game you'll love or you'll hate, as most MMOs are. It definitely is a niche and nothing that has tried to attempt competing with it has succeeded so far.
I can't really offer you any guidance as I don't know what path you'd likely take, as there are many in Eve--however I can give you some advise if you decide to start playing.
I hope this helps anyone that wants to try this out. I can hook you up with a Eve Trial if you want to give it a go, just send me a PM.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
I believe the fourth question was supposed to be this.
You can lose everything, but only if you put all your eggs in one basket yourself. Nobody can ever reach out into your wallet and take your ISK from you. It is always with you wherever you go.
Insurance and clones are about mitigating losses. Use them smartly. Don't get scammed. Distribute your non-ISK assets or only put them where you can recover them. Once you get jump clones, establish a back-up home with some ship(s) to fly in safe space before venturing out. Or don't, it's up to you if you want to go for a big double-or-nothing and fly a ship you can't afford to lose.
Veterans who lose most of their stuff when their 0.0 corp's station is taken start over the ISK-making if they had no reserves. They don't lose character skills and definitely not the player skills, experience or contacts.
Hah, not likley!
Eve is one of the few MMO's where by its players are so used to new players not making it past the trial that even they wont tell you its the best game since sliced bread!
I dont consider myself a VET, but I am experienced and very often I will reply to such threads in a way that does NOT hype eve into something its not, and alwats offer a word of caution.
And yes, your right. If your a person of little patience, fast action and instant gratification Eve is definatly NOT for you. And I dont mean that in a pretentious 'eve is too good for you' kinda way. I genuinly mean it. Your trial should consist of mostly research and asking questions.
--- Back to the OP
If your interested in Dust514, then Eve is a game that couldnt be any different. I think you maybe be under the mistaken impression that in order to make the most of Dust you need to play Eve too. Which is completly wrong!
But I'll answer the questions:
1) Wrong. But you will find it very hard to not meet people on Eve. Single server and all that. Just make an effort and talk to people in your corp
2) Wrong. Mining is a profitable career path for loner types just as mission running is
3) Wrong again. Its a single server so EVERYONE plays and I can assure you with 100% certainty that noobs out populate 'vets' but something like 3 to 1. In anycase, the premise of your question is wrong. There are no levels in Eve so its not like max level players are going around ganking low level players. My 3 week old characters first pvp kill was against a character that was 3 years old with a ship fitted. So dont worry about other players who are vets... in fact you want to be-freind them! They have pots of money and will do anything to help out new players. (exceptions noted.)
4) Not sure what you mean about this. Spending months and years to acheive nothing?.. this is definatly wrong, In fact the opposite can be true. If you did nothing but train skills for 6 months you've made 6 months worth of progress.. and you would be able to do far more than a character thats 1 month old.
Your right, but I know I wanted bias review of the game from people who played it (because I really want to play it). Otherwise, I would have read the reviews.
Money is kind of tight, so at the same time, I don't want to play the game for 6 months and then deciding that I don't like it.
Plus, Sonoggi's post seems to be well thought out with both the good and the bad.
Thanks again!
All negative feedback is denied and met with hostility. I wonder why... Are you protecting a house of cards? Will it collapse when someone doesn't like it and brings his/her experience to light? There are many who agree with sonoggi - I for one. "No smoke without fire" goes the saying.
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Well, I think one of the things that’s wrong in his post, is that some of the things he says are possible but they are not inevitable.
One thing I clearly disagreed with was his claim to understand what it will be like for a player that has never played before, and is starting out today, when he started in 2003. From my own experience I just don’t think that it realistic.
Well, I think one of the things that’s wrong in his post, is that some of the things he says are possible but they are not inevitable.
One thing I clearly disagreed with was his claim to understand what it will be like for a player that has never played before, and is starting out today, when he started in 2003. From my own experience I just don’t think that it realistic.
Fair enough. It is true that it is easier to start now than it was "back in the day" but by no means is it easy even now by todays gaming standards. Eve's tutorials are just bad compared to the best. No matter how CCP has stated that they are working to improve the new player's experience - it is bad right now and the new player doesn't care if it'll be better in six months.
Some fans lack the sense of objectivity. Some are used to Eve's little quirks and don't mind them anymore. Some players haven't played that many games to have a good understanding how the gam scales to other games. New players tend to see the things as they are and they speak more or less the truth.
A common misunderstanding would be that the voice of an inexperienced player would be less valuable than that of an experienced player. They both have equal value but concentrate on different things.
Everyone has outright bad games they liked. I liked Pirates of the Burning Sea, for example. I knew it was repetitive, the land combat was rubbish, etc. but somehow I liked it. I don't know why. I can still say the game as a whole wasn't a good one. Why do I need to love and defend the games I like to play?
Me? I can honestly say that Eve has many quirks and bugs which you face every day you play. I see many things that could be better. Eve has much to improve even without changing the soul of the game.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky
Eve is a great game for what it is.
Some people may hate its combat, the offline skill training, the learning curve or the harsh death penalty but you know what?
It's only a game, why waste so much time bitching about a game you cant stand?
Sorry if I thought a video game was a piece of shit i wouldnt bother to hound its fans on the forums.
As an example I recently dropped fallen earth because i feel letting players repair armor kills the economy. It was enough for me to unsub and not recommend the game to my friends.
You don't see me on their forums giving them hell constantly.
Do you guys have nothing better to do? I'm sure you would have a better time discussing a game you like.
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Well, I think one of the things that’s wrong in his post, is that some of the things he says are possible but they are not inevitable.
One thing I clearly disagreed with was his claim to understand what it will be like for a player that has never played before, and is starting out today, when he started in 2003. From my own experience I just don’t think that it realistic.
Yeah, I have to agree, the reason I responded is that his views were just one possible outcome and greatly influenced by his own personal preferences.
As you saw, I viewed many of them in a completely different light and that too is due to my own preferences and perceptions.
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If you would have your way, by researching forums, every game would be the next coming of Jesus without any flaws in them. Every game would be perfect when infact non are. Negative feedback is needed and it is very welcome. They always point out the ways games can improve and I myself find them way more informative than the feedback(/blind praise) given by a rapid fanboy. They also expand your insight on games without you playing them.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky
If you would have your way, by researching forums, every game would be the next coming of Jesus without any flaws in them. Every game would be perfect when infact non are. Negative feedback is needed and it is very welcome. They always point out the ways games can improve and I myself find them way more informative than the feedback(/blind praise) given by a rapid fanboy. They also expand your insight on games without you playing them.
There's a difference between playing a game and discussing game mechanics and how they could improve and not playing at all and just bashing the shit out of it.
Im all for the constructive criticism not the blind unwavering hate tossed out by most of this community.
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Ive played eve on & off for a few years
Forget what you are used to in other games like Wow, EQ, Warhammer etc etc.
Eve has no 'pvp duel' system
Eve has no pvp arena or battleground
Eve favours the 'Gank' mentality, it always has and it always will
If your alone you are a 'victim waiting to happen'
Do I or sonoggi strike you as blind haters? I think he explained his point very well and he and I are entitled to our opinion without you branding us as haters. "Hater" is a word thrown very easily anyway. Easy way out to the fan trying to defend his/her game. A forfeit.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky
Ya, pretty much the same feeling I've towards the game.
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