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Logical and rational post as usual, Amathe. All divisional, and/or hate groups justify their own actions by projecting the blame on the focus of their hate. As a strawberry shampoo hater you should understand this concept the best.
As I said before if the makers of Guild Wars 2 wish to add such a feature as same sex marrige I see nothing wrong with it. However if a group of individuals force them to add it for their own benefit, against the game makers wishes, then it is a big issue.
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Lol, because I don't see heteros around here yelling for an in-game-mechanic-supported marriage.
I only see gays putting a strong case for "gay" marriage. (and I strongly suspect that a majority of homosexual people wouldn't care for it any way or the other, probably the same portion of them as hetero players)
And why is that? You tell me?
Is it the "marriage" here that is important, or is it the "gayness" of it?
Hmm?
Is it maybe because marriage itself is secondary here and is just a vehicle for flaunting gayness, for whatever reasons and some of them might even be justified in some wider political context.. but imo such political contexts don't really have a place in a fantasy game about killing dragons. As I said, I have absolutely nothing against gay marriage or any marriage in the game whatsoever. I'll play the game for different reasons than to get play-pretend married but I understand that some folks derive a lot of enjoyment from that kind of play, so more power to them. However in this case I don't see "marriage" being important - I see just "I'M GAY, I'M GAY! LOOK AT ME!! I'M DISCRIMINATED!!" and the vast majority of people couldn't care less. As I mentioned before I could scream "I'M JEWISH I'M JEWISH WHERE'S MY HANUKAH IN GAME ABOUT GIANT WERECATS AND DRAGONS YOU NAZIS" until people would get fed up and tell me to shuttup so I could really claim I got abused.
If the poster asked "Will there be marriage in game" then it would be ok by my book. If you say that for you just "marriage" implies heterosexual one then it is you who are bigoted and paranoid because when I see "marriage" written I don't automatically think "hetero" marriage. Ofc if there's marriage in game it should support both different-sex and same-sex combinations. And if Anet actually had marriage feature in-game that would work with different-sex chars only then you'd see me as first on the barricades screaming bloody murder and demanding the same RP rights for our gay brothers and sisters.
Sorry but I'm not buying the whole "discrimination" spiel. It's just pouring oil on the fire and making a ruckus where there is actually none. /yawn
The funniest thing about this whole thread is it has nothign to do with gw2 anymore. I personally dont get it I really dont see why it matters if gay marriage is around in the game or not. Half the female toons are male players most of the players are male no matter what way you slice it MARRIAGE IN A PVP GAME IS GAY! So if there is marriage in gw2 it will be gay no matter whos doing it IT WILL BE GAY!
On a semi serious not though its impossible to solve such a social issue on one gaming forum no devoted to the subject furthermore its pointless to try to convince some they are wrong if they are trying to convince that you are wrong. Opinions are wonderful but just because some doesnt agree winth you doesnt mean they are wrong it doesnt mean they are right either it just means they dont agree with you. No matter how many insults or shady comments you toss out just because some1 doesnt agree. If we make this about the basic america and gay marriage the answer is right there its fine in some places and not fine in others just as it should be both sides really get to have it their own way they both had their opinions heard and got what they wahted in an area. Neither side has their freedoms impaired. Is gat marriage legal in the United States? Yep and Nope just depends on what state your in. Why is that so bad?
Who cares if they did. Granted i Firmly believe marriage is between a man and a woman in hopes of producing offspring and assuring future generations. People talk about the love factor and that marriage is sacred but last time I checked it hasn't been for decades. Just my stance I don't think it should be called marriage but I do think they deserve all the rights that come with it. Don't see why they shouldn't to be honest.
Jeez people, don't be like this guy suing Left 4 Dead 2 for "racism"....
"Racism accusations
Willie Jefferson of the Houston Chronicle, after seeing initial promotional material for the game, considered that several of the infected "appear to be African-Americans" implying a racist approach to the game, and also noted that "setting the game in a city that was a scene of dead, bloated bodies floating by" some years after the impact of Hurricane Katrina was "a bad call".[68] Faliszek, commenting on Jefferson's claims, considered the supposition to be "utter insanity", and commented that the infected are a mix of all races, and that the game's version of New Orleans is "not a brick-for-brick representation" of the city and were not trying to make any statement about it with the game.[69][70] A writer for Kotaku considered that "Jefferson's seemed to me to be picking a fight where none exists."[71] Others noted that the appearance of African-American infected simply reflected the racial diversity of New Orleans.[72]""
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_4_Dead_2#Controversy
The funny bit being that if they didn't have african-american zombies in the game then they could also concievably get sued for "racism".
Just stop being so jumpy, it's contraproductive for the cause.
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Speak for your self..When me and my WIFE plays I know who i am with...LOL..There is no second guess of who behind Character #1..
I think they should have babies instead of pets to go along with marriage in the game at least i know gays cant have kids...
Mod edit add on..
I would agree with the latter part of this.I don't subscribe to any organized religion myself but don't deny their righ tto exist or for other people to believe in them.I also believe in seperation of Church and State and since marriage is a religious ceremony that it's up to each individual religion to decide their own stance on gay or straight marriage without governmental interference.
However I fully believe that gays and straight social/civil unions should be equal under governmental laws and all rights given under them.
As to the original post,I do not think the OP is grandstanding as some here accuse.I beleive the original question is fair simply because other MMOs that have included the concept of marriage in them have in fact limited them to only heterosexual unions.Personally in game marriage is not something that I care about at all but others do and they are allwoed to express their POVs.
Could be, but in this case I see no discrimination taking place, none whatsoever. Some posters may have bigoted views which surfaced provoked by this discussion, but imo the point of this thread has been hijacked because there is actually no subject to talk about - since there is no in-game marriage in GW2, or at least we don't know about it yet.
Imo the OP is the very definition of a troll post (tho it might be unintentional, always leave benefit of doubt unless you want to turn into an axe murderer eventually) . It purports to be talking about a certain subject but actually his agenda appears to have nothing to do with "gay marriage in GW2" but is just a provocation to start a discussion on gay-marriage as such. It has no validity on these forums whose subject is a particular game which has no marriage mechanics in it, gay or otherwise. If there was marriage announced in GW2 then it would be a valid discussion... maybe. It would be really valid only if there was an explicit statement "no gay marriage in GW2" by the devs.
However in this case, imo this thread should either get locked (which I don't like since I'm all for freedom of speach, no matter how much I dislike some views) or better yet moved to the Pub as a general discussion on gay marriages in MMOs.
This thread is cracking me up...
First off...I'm gay. I would hate to see an in-game marriage/union system in place. I have to deal with my partner of 11 years in my real life, why would I want to do it in-game. I use my games to get away from real life for short spurts. I don't need someone in-game yelling at me to take out the garbage....sheesh.
Ignoring the politics and beliefs about gay marriage, "Will there be gay marriage?" in Guild Wars 2.
Probably not. Considering the lore of the game, and the relative time it takes place. The setting is very similar to medival times in Europe. A more barbaric and primitave society. No gay marriage there. If the time period was less like DAOC and more like the Sims 3, I could see it happening.
My 2 cents.
There were actually ALOT of gay people back in medival times...
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Marriage in games i stupid anyways.
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Where did I say there wasn't many gay people in medival times???
I said there were no gay marriages.
Really? Are they carrying signs and tongue wrestling in an organized march or do you just assume they are straight in your heterophobic state?
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
Whether or not there were gay people in ye olde medivaly times is not the discussion though; gay marriage is, and in those days the Church (who in those days handled this sort of thing) would never have allowed such a union. Homosexuality is a sin in the church's eyes, and in those days the different kingdoms did not have anything to do with marriages.
As far as gay marriage in the game? If it fits the lore than sure add it in, but if the lore of the game does not support it then no. The lore of a different world is just that, A DIFFERENT WORLD; it does not have to play on the social standards of ours. People need to stop freaking out over such silly things.
If I played a game where only black characters could be archers because of the game's lore then guess what? This white guy is rollin a black toon for an archer then. Its a game, it is not a platform for social commentary.
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I say marriage of any kind is okay. Gay, straight, cross species, etc.. But couldn't you just roleplay? Remember that thing people used to do in MMOs? Yea... Roleplaying.
I believe no game should support marriage of any kind with a game mechanic, but that doesn't mean you can't get married. If it isn't a game mechanic you could marry any player, male, female, hermaphrodite... You get the idea. Of course it wont be coded into the game that Lisa and Hank got married on November 8th, 2011, nor will it say your spouse under your name and guild, but does it have to be? Seriously guys, as long as two people think they're married in a video game, then they might as well be.
This statement is false.
im not saying anything about whether or not a game SHOULD include a marriage feature, but if they do, they have to make it gender non specific unless they are trying to make a statement.
if you think this is a non issue, you are fooling youself. any debate about freedom not only represents its own specifics, but also acts as a template for all universal considerations.
debates such as these will last forever, until everyone accepts that everyone should be treated with totalt freedom, meaning allowed to act in anyway that does not harm others. any limititation to this will be resisted and discussed ad infinitum.
support universal freedom if you want to hasten the end of threads like this.
People are marrying across species so why this topic when we are not even on the same page. I recall orcs in warhammer have no females even so if they marry elves or goblins who cares. Really lol it is like a dragonfly marrying a bald eagle who cares.
That's my point, if these gays want freaking gay marriages then nothing is stopping them, they can RP gay marriages til they drop.
The game won't have any marriage features so they might as well just RP, what's the difference. We don't want know about it so find a quiet glade and have your freaking gay marriage, what's the issue with that.
I love these types of threads because they are so meaningless. However since I have some time to waste.
I think that a vote should be cast as to whether or not to allow homosexual marriage in the game. If it passes then it passes, if it doesnt then it doesnt.
In America and most countries, over 50% of voters dont want to see homosexuals getting married. There are civil unions, however marriage has for centuries been a religious institution. Since well over 50% of religions disagree wtih homosexual acts let alone marriage, most religious bystanders would agree that marriage is a religious act between a man and a woman and should not be defiled by including same sex marriage.
Consistently voters have approved state constitutional amendments that ban homosexual marriage. From Prop 8 in California to the voter referendum in Maine, again and again voters have, when faced with legalizing homosexual marriage, responded with a definite and unequivocal, NO. There are civil unions which have no basis in religion that are free to homosexuals wanting legal partnerships, quit trying to justify a homosexual lifestyle by trying to make it religiously " right".
Most religions say if you are homosexuals you are going to hell unless you repent. There are several fringe churchs that want more money, hence more members and seek to make this sin ok, however the majority of religions continue to say that homosexuality is a sin, and reprehensible.
So should there be homosexual marriage in GW2? I say lets vote and see which way players choose, yes or no. However I think that wont happen, as in the case of congress in America, they vote how they want not how the voters want, I am sure NCSoft will be much the same.
*My opinion is a definite No, I dont want to play a game where I have no say in whether a despicable act is ok or not. This is why I consitently vote yes on banning homosexual marriage*
It's a non-issue to me. As long as there are monsters to kill, quests to do, and ppl to party with, I'm cool with it. If any of you have issues w/ the gays, then maybe you can challenge them? That's what pvp is for, isn't it?
Two players with characters that agree to use the same surname. There, married regardless of gender. Problem solved. Now can this thread go away?
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