Anyone in here over 18? Just wondering because this argument is hysterically stupid. If you are over 18, shame on you. You should have more meaningful conversations than to keep arguing over a jump and a swim. I think people just like to argue. 12 pages of a thread that means crap. Come on! Seriously. Like you have any control over jumping or swimming in the game. SE does what they want. They've always done what they want. Get over it.
Thank you oh wise sage of the internet. Your post has enriched these forums beyond words. Your maturity has been proven by the greatness in your post. Thank you.
i honestly don't think this has anything more than jumping on the new bandwagon that is "jumping/swimming MUST be in a game". Nobody gave a shit about this a little over a month ago, nobody, and now even Rift: PoT has it's one idiot thread on this.
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The Developers were not being lazy. They just dont see jumping, sitting, or swimming as a big factor for the purpose of immersion. Square has stated such.
1/3 of respondents to this poll would disagree with the Developers. There's nothing wrong with the Devs doing their thing, of course. It just limits the potential customer base. It can be a niche game, these days it seems like thats what everything turns out to be, anyway.
~and yet 1/4 of all Americans, dare I say all people in general, are retarded.
Actually, it appears to be more like 2.5% or less rather than the 25% you claim. Of course, this is based purely off numbers I could find on the fly...
"between 1.675 and 7.5 million people because of the varying types of retardation."
Population of the U.S.: 309,865,000
Now for the sake of your argument I went with 7.5 million mentally challenged, the high end, and that is
7,500,000 / 309,865,000 = 0.024 or 2.4%
The lower end is more like
1,650,000 / 309,865,000 = 0.0053 or .5%, which would make more sense on a Standard Curve...
Not the kind of retarded where you need developmental help, you know exactly what I mean.
The kind of retarded where you have to rationalize anything you can, in any way you can, like bringing up numbers over the amount of physically handicapped people in this country - which in itself, is retarded.
Oh, of course. In that case, its more like 3/4.
Anyway, i'm a laboratory scientist. Reinforcing or refuting claims with data is what I do.
Not the kind of retarded where you need developmental help, you know exactly what I mean.
The kind of retarded where you have to rationalize anything you can, in any way you can, like bringing up numbers over the amount of physically handicapped people in this country - which in itself, is retarded.
Oh, of course. In that case, its more like 3/4.
Anyway, i'm a laboratory scientist. Reinforcing or refuting claims with data is what I do.
What data do you have that supports this? I want to see it. If this data is fictious then you should be fired from your job because this probably isn't the first time you did it.
And I really don't care to hear from you anymore either since you're all lies. Lies, I tell you! Lies!
Not the kind of retarded where you need developmental help, you know exactly what I mean.
The kind of retarded where you have to rationalize anything you can, in any way you can, like bringing up numbers over the amount of physically handicapped people in this country - which in itself, is retarded.
Oh, of course. In that case, its more like 3/4.
Anyway, i'm a laboratory scientist. Reinforcing or refuting claims with data is what I do.
What data do you have that supports this? I want to see it. If this data is fictious then you should be fired from your job because this probably isn't the first time you did it.
He's right though, there is a lot of pants-on-head retarded folk out there, and better yet, a lot of them that don't want to be called on it.
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What data do you have that supports this? I want to see it. If this data is fictious then you should be fired from your job because this probably isn't the first time you did it.
No, Jarin, my 3/4ths is as sarcastic as GTWander's 1/4 was. As to my previous numbers, I can gladly put up the sites, but theyre just wikis. As I disclaimed in my original post, they were based off numbers I could find on the fly.
What data do you have that supports this? I want to see it. If this data is fictious then you should be fired from your job because this probably isn't the first time you did it.
No, Jarin, my 3/4ths is as sarcastic as GTWander's 1/4 was. As to my previous numbers, I can gladly put up the sites, but theyre just wikis. As I disclaimed in my original post, they were based off numbers I could find on the fly.
While I was quoting South Park, I wasn't being sarcastic at all. No matter what qualms yo have with that show, I dare you to name a time they were wrong about something. We all know that 1 out of every 4 people around us is an idiot.
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While I was quoting South Park, I wasn't being sarcastic at all. No matter what qualms yo have with that show, I dare you to name a time they were wrong about something. We all know that 1 out of every 4 people around us is an idiot.
Ok, I would be willing to consider the statement then if it read 1/4 of people were slow, stupid, dim, moronic. But not retarded, per-se. It doesn't take a low IQ to be an idiot. In fact smart people's idiocy is alot more dangerous. Anyway, I daresay that South Park was indeed wrong, because again I assert it is more like 3 out of 4. But I guess that has to do with the parameters we each set. :O)
While I was quoting South Park, I wasn't being sarcastic at all. No matter what qualms yo have with that show, I dare you to name a time they were wrong about something. We all know that 1 out of every 4 people around us is an idiot.
Ok, I would be willing to consider the statement then if it read 1/4 of people were slow, stupid, dim, moronic. But not retarded, per-se. It doesn't take a low IQ to be an idiot. In fact smart people's idiocy is alot more dangerous. Anyway, I daresay that South Park was indeed wrong, because again I assert it is more like 3 out of 4. But I guess that has to do with the parameters we each set. :O)
I dunno about you, but i for one don't use the word "retard" on people with a serious handicap. It's a derogatory term that I feel is best used on people who actually deserve having an insult thrown at them. Times changing the meaning of words, and all that.
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There's no jumping in Chess so it is a bad game and I will never play it. Well, the Knight gets to jump but then everyone only moves their Knight and I don't feel special and unique anymore, like seeing my twins. Maybe if they allowed customization for the Knight piece. Well, anyways theres no Swimming either in Chess so I will never play it.
I'm looking for a game that can reflect real life actions so I don't have to take part in real life anymore. Please, WoW had swimming and jumping so can you make FF14 have it too so I can move to that
There's no jumping in Chess so it is a bad game and I will never play it. Well, the Knight gets to jump but then everyone only moves their Knight and I don't feel special and unique anymore, like seeing my twins. Maybe if they allowed customization for the Knight piece. Well, anyways theres no Swimming either in Chess so I will never play it.
I'm looking for a game that can reflect real life actions so I don't have to take part in real life anymore. Please, WoW had swimming and jumping so can you make FF14 have it too so I can move to that
Are you serious? EVERY Chess piece can jump. Pawns can jump over one space to another. Even the King can jump when he castles. Chess is ALL about jumping.
Either he was being sarcastic, or he is awesome at leading people to believe he is. Got me pretty good either way, seeing how hard it is to determine which it really is.
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The Developers were not being lazy. They just dont see jumping, sitting, or swimming as a big factor for the purpose of immersion. Square has stated such.
1/3 of respondents to this poll would disagree with the Developers. There's nothing wrong with the Devs doing their thing, of course. It just limits the potential customer base. It can be a niche game, these days it seems like thats what everything turns out to be, anyway.
~and yet 1/4 of all Americans, dare I say all people in general, are retarded.
Always remember that 1/2 of all people are below average intelligence. And if you dont get it you might be one of them.
The Developers were not being lazy. They just dont see jumping, sitting, or swimming as a big factor for the purpose of immersion. Square has stated such.
1/3 of respondents to this poll would disagree with the Developers. There's nothing wrong with the Devs doing their thing, of course. It just limits the potential customer base. It can be a niche game, these days it seems like thats what everything turns out to be, anyway.
~and yet 1/4 of all Americans, dare I say all people in general, are retarded.
Always remember that 1/2 of all people are below average intelligence. And if you dont get it you might be one of them.
Lol, if the 50% margin is the average, then yeah. It's not like you can grade that on such a direct curve though. The point I am making relates to a person's outlook, and to a point, common sense. I've seen dumb people with enough wisdom to look at a subject under the right scope, but lack the intelligence to have an answer as to why they reach those conclusions. As for me, I've never taken an IQ test outside of gate/seminar program placement tests in school, and I would never brag about the results either way.
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Yes bunny jumping while fighting and swimming in full plate makes total sense. Just because one game has it in, and another thinks it is not necessary doesn't make one or the other right. I hate jumping and swimming how it is in current mmo's. Underwater content is lame, and jumping is just annoying. I would much prefer for a game to have either no jumping or realistic jumping (drains stamina, slows you down for a bit, if you get hit while jumping you get knocked on your butt and take extra damage, etc.), and the same goes for swimming (if you go into water wearing a full suit of armor and a battle axe you drown.).
Agreed. I've also opined that it would be good if jumping drew attention from mobs and could get an individual, or their group wiped if Mr. or Mrs. Pogo couldn't keep their finger off the jump button while going through dangerous areas. I would find that very realistic. Not surprisingly, all the people who claim they want jumping "for realism", never seem to want to take it that far.
It's "realistic" to them to jump non-stop in heavy armor. It's "realistic" to jump on tables, fountains, buildings, etc. But suggest having jumping drain stamina as you suggest, or attract unwanted attention from aggressive mobs in the area? Nope.. they don't want *that* kind of realism.
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Different strokes for different folks. Not every game has to be the same.
The market is already flooded with fast combat, bunny hopping, PvP heavy, keyboard mashing games. I just find it ludicrous that if a single game is being produced that does something a little different, people will come crawling out of the woodwork to criticize the game. These people will then go on to later post about how they want something "fresh & innovative" about 50% of the time.
Yeah I don't get that either.
Every time a MMO clearly modeled after WoW comes out, the forums are aflame with "OMG It's another WoW clone! We want something different!"
Then someone does something different, and we get "OMG it doesn't do things the way WoW does! Make it more like WoW or it's going to fail!" Of course, they don't specifically say "make it more like WoW". However, reading what people want added and/or changed, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out what their "suggestions" are inspired by.
Frankly, based on how SE never caved to the demands of making FFXI more like WoW for years, I doubt they're going to cave with FFXIV. They know the kind of game they want to make. They know the kind of experience they want to provide. They know it's not going to appeal to everyone, and they're okay with that.... and that must drive people insane.
Here's what gets me, though. We're talking about a developer who has been around since 1983, has one of the largest, successful and most recognized franchises in the gaming industry, has put out hit game after hit game... has designed, developed and successfully run a MMO for 8+ years... And there are people in these threads (and elsewhere) who trash them dismissively like they're some small, shoestring indie company working out of someone's garage with no clue what they're doing.
I'm not sure if it's sad, funny, or both.
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It's sad.... that you and seemingly everyone else that is completely against jumping's only argument is "I don't want it like wow" when a lot of people aren't bringing up wow in the first place. Know what inspires me to like jumping? Mario.
I would like to see jumping and swimming just for the mere fact that it shows me the developer put some effort into their game.
If there is no meaningful reason to have it in game,then of course it doesn't bother me that it is not there,but like i said,it would show everyone that they are putting some effort into their game.Cutting corners is not something Sqaure has the luxury to do anymore,they can't use the aged game engine and console design excuse anymore,the PS3/Xbox/PC are all capable of not only swimming/jumping but also capable of utilizing advanced physics,something else the game won't have.
Basically FFXIV in a nutshell is a game trying to appease more subscriptions than FFXI could muster,it will have nicer graphics and offer more solo play,but the game will still fall well short of being a next gen game,one example ,lack of advanced physics and of course the lack of other common features,the swimming for example.
/facepalm
Right. Because nothing else they've done to get FFXIV to where it is now required effort. The past several years has been an extended vacation for the FFXIV development team. They've been kicking back with margaritas on some tropical beach, and the rest of the game has made itself. All they had to do was add jumping and swimming, but decided they just didn't feel like making the effort.
Do you think before you post some of the stuff you do, Wizardry? That's a serious question.
As for advanced physics... Why should they use it if it doesn't serve the game? Because you think it should be there to fit whatever your definition of "next gen" is?
Just because technology exists doesn't mean "it must be used".
A painter doesn't use every color in their palette simply because they're available. They use only the ones needed to complete the painting. A songwriter doesn't use every note playable on a guitar. They use only the notes required to create the melodies and get the song written.
Likewise, a developer isn't required to use a form of technology simply because "it exists". They use only what is needed to achieve what they're looking to design. They're cuttong corners no more than the painter or song-writer described above.
And once again.. There is no precedent to show that a MMO - or any game - requires jumping or swimming to be successful. Again, to the contrary, there are myriad examples out there that prove the exact opposite.
People who want jumping/swimming are entitled to their preferences. But this dishonest, spin-tastic BS about jumping and swimming being a requirement of modern or next-gen MMOs seriously needs to be let go. Jumping has never been "required". Swimming has never been "required". They've been features/functions that have been included or left out based on the requirements of the game in question.
But by all means.. go tell Bioware that Dragon Age is a failure because it has no jumping. Go tell ArenaNet that Guild Wars is a failure because it has no jumping or swimming. Go tell Blizzard that Diablo II is a failure because it has no jumping. Go tell Nintendo that Zelda 64 is a failure because it has no jump button (you auto-jump in that game). Go tell SE that FF VII was a failure because it has no jumping... Go ahead.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
It's sad.... that you and seemingly everyone else that is completely against jumping's only argument is "I don't want it like wow" when a lot of people aren't bringing up wow in the first place. Know what inspires me to like jumping? Mario.
Actually that's not my reason. If you want to know my thoughts on jumping in any game... ask me, and I'll happily tell you. Don't presume to know and put words in my mouth.
My take is, I don't care either way. If the gameplay warrants it, then fine. If the gameplay doesn't warrant it, then fine.
That said... I have read post after post after post after post, in thread after thread after thread, on forum after forum after forum where the words "like it is in WoW", or "it works in WoW" - or some other variation on that - used to describe why something should be done in FFXIV - including jumping. As a recent example, someone on another forum suggested SE have motorcycles in FFXIV that you can hop up and down on when you press space.. Their reason? Because they have them in WoW. That's it. No insight as to how it would improve or enhance the gameplay. WoW had it, and so, FFXIV should as well.
So, if it's all the same to you, people *do* make those comments, and when I read them, I'm going to refer to them.
Also, to state the obvious... FFXIV doesn't take place in the Mushroom Kingdom, and FFXIV is not a platformer.
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At this point, I'm only against it because it's the new popular topic that the general bandwagon crowd is circling around like vultures. The moment I saw a thread in the Rift section about it, I knew this wasn't about whether you can jump or not, but just about beating your chest and wanting to hear the sound of your own voice. Jumping didn't mean anything to anyone a little over a month ago, now it's a hot topic, and for all the wrong reasons.
I almost wish you fools would just go back to the sand vs park, or F2P vs P2P charade.
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It's sad.... that you and seemingly everyone else that is completely against jumping's only argument is "I don't want it like wow" when a lot of people aren't bringing up wow in the first place. Know what inspires me to like jumping? Mario.
Actually that's not my reason. If you want to know my thoughts on jumping in any game... ask me, and I'll happily tell you. Don't presume to know and put words in my mouth.
My take is, I don't care either way. If the gameplay warrants it, then fine. If the gameplay doesn't warrant it, then fine.
That said... I have read post after post after post after post, in thread after thread after thread, on forum after forum after forum where the words "like it is in WoW", or "it works in WoW" - or some other variation on that - used to describe why something should be done in FFXIV - including jumping. As a recent example, someone on another forum suggested SE have motorcycles in FFXIV that you can hop up and down on when you press space.. Their reason? Because they have them in WoW. That's it. No insight as to how it would improve or enhance the gameplay. WoW had it, and so, FFXIV should as well.
So, if it's all the same to you, people *do* make those comments, and when I read them, I'm going to refer to them.
Also, to state the obvious... FFXIV doesn't take place in the Mushroom Kingdom, and FFXIV is not a platformer.
You're trying to make an arguement against jumping.... you already lost soon as you posted.
It's sad.... that you and seemingly everyone else that is completely against jumping's only argument is "I don't want it like wow" when a lot of people aren't bringing up wow in the first place. Know what inspires me to like jumping? Mario.
Actually that's not my reason. If you want to know my thoughts on jumping in any game... ask me, and I'll happily tell you. Don't presume to know and put words in my mouth.
My take is, I don't care either way. If the gameplay warrants it, then fine. If the gameplay doesn't warrant it, then fine.
That said... I have read post after post after post after post, in thread after thread after thread, on forum after forum after forum where the words "like it is in WoW", or "it works in WoW" - or some other variation on that - used to describe why something should be done in FFXIV - including jumping. As a recent example, someone on another forum suggested SE have motorcycles in FFXIV that you can hop up and down on when you press space.. Their reason? Because they have them in WoW. That's it. No insight as to how it would improve or enhance the gameplay. WoW had it, and so, FFXIV should as well.
So, if it's all the same to you, people *do* make those comments, and when I read them, I'm going to refer to them.
Also, to state the obvious... FFXIV doesn't take place in the Mushroom Kingdom, and FFXIV is not a platformer.
You're trying to make an arguement against jumping.... you already lost soon as you posted.
That's fine. I'm "losing" according to someone or another no matter what I say, where I say it, or what side of the debate I fall on. I'm sure I'll live
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
It's sad.... that you and seemingly everyone else that is completely against jumping's only argument is "I don't want it like wow" when a lot of people aren't bringing up wow in the first place. Know what inspires me to like jumping? Mario.
Actually that's not my reason. If you want to know my thoughts on jumping in any game... ask me, and I'll happily tell you. Don't presume to know and put words in my mouth.
My take is, I don't care either way. If the gameplay warrants it, then fine. If the gameplay doesn't warrant it, then fine.
That said... I have read post after post after post after post, in thread after thread after thread, on forum after forum after forum where the words "like it is in WoW", or "it works in WoW" - or some other variation on that - used to describe why something should be done in FFXIV - including jumping. As a recent example, someone on another forum suggested SE have motorcycles in FFXIV that you can hop up and down on when you press space.. Their reason? Because they have them in WoW. That's it. No insight as to how it would improve or enhance the gameplay. WoW had it, and so, FFXIV should as well.
So, if it's all the same to you, people *do* make those comments, and when I read them, I'm going to refer to them.
Also, to state the obvious... FFXIV doesn't take place in the Mushroom Kingdom, and FFXIV is not a platformer.
You're trying to make an arguement against jumping.... you already lost soon as you posted.
That's fine. I'm "losing" according to someone or another no matter what I say, where I say it, or what side of the debate I fall on. I'm sure I'll live
ffxiv doesnt need jumping the game world isnt designed for it
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Thank you oh wise sage of the internet. Your post has enriched these forums beyond words. Your maturity has been proven by the greatness in your post. Thank you.
i honestly don't think this has anything more than jumping on the new bandwagon that is "jumping/swimming MUST be in a game". Nobody gave a shit about this a little over a month ago, nobody, and now even Rift: PoT has it's one idiot thread on this.
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Actually, it appears to be more like 2.5% or less rather than the 25% you claim. Of course, this is based purely off numbers I could find on the fly...
"between 1.675 and 7.5 million people because of the varying types of retardation."
Population of the U.S.: 309,865,000
Now for the sake of your argument I went with 7.5 million mentally challenged, the high end, and that is
7,500,000 / 309,865,000 = 0.024 or 2.4%
The lower end is more like
1,650,000 / 309,865,000 = 0.0053 or .5%, which would make more sense on a Standard Curve...
You are indeed welcome. Even if it's with sarcasm.
Oh, of course. In that case, its more like 3/4.
Anyway, i'm a laboratory scientist. Reinforcing or refuting claims with data is what I do.
What data do you have that supports this? I want to see it. If this data is fictious then you should be fired from your job because this probably isn't the first time you did it.
And I really don't care to hear from you anymore either since you're all lies. Lies, I tell you! Lies!
He's right though, there is a lot of pants-on-head retarded folk out there, and better yet, a lot of them that don't want to be called on it.
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No, Jarin, my 3/4ths is as sarcastic as GTWander's 1/4 was. As to my previous numbers, I can gladly put up the sites, but theyre just wikis. As I disclaimed in my original post, they were based off numbers I could find on the fly.
While I was quoting South Park, I wasn't being sarcastic at all. No matter what qualms yo have with that show, I dare you to name a time they were wrong about something. We all know that 1 out of every 4 people around us is an idiot.
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Ok, I would be willing to consider the statement then if it read 1/4 of people were slow, stupid, dim, moronic. But not retarded, per-se. It doesn't take a low IQ to be an idiot. In fact smart people's idiocy is alot more dangerous. Anyway, I daresay that South Park was indeed wrong, because again I assert it is more like 3 out of 4. But I guess that has to do with the parameters we each set. :O)
I dunno about you, but i for one don't use the word "retard" on people with a serious handicap. It's a derogatory term that I feel is best used on people who actually deserve having an insult thrown at them. Times changing the meaning of words, and all that.
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There's no jumping in Chess so it is a bad game and I will never play it. Well, the Knight gets to jump but then everyone only moves their Knight and I don't feel special and unique anymore, like seeing my twins. Maybe if they allowed customization for the Knight piece. Well, anyways theres no Swimming either in Chess so I will never play it.
I'm looking for a game that can reflect real life actions so I don't have to take part in real life anymore. Please, WoW had swimming and jumping so can you make FF14 have it too so I can move to that
Are you serious? EVERY Chess piece can jump. Pawns can jump over one space to another. Even the King can jump when he castles. Chess is ALL about jumping.
Either he was being sarcastic, or he is awesome at leading people to believe he is. Got me pretty good either way, seeing how hard it is to determine which it really is.
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Always remember that 1/2 of all people are below average intelligence. And if you dont get it you might be one of them.
Lol, if the 50% margin is the average, then yeah. It's not like you can grade that on such a direct curve though. The point I am making relates to a person's outlook, and to a point, common sense. I've seen dumb people with enough wisdom to look at a subject under the right scope, but lack the intelligence to have an answer as to why they reach those conclusions. As for me, I've never taken an IQ test outside of gate/seminar program placement tests in school, and I would never brag about the results either way.
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and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Yeah I don't get that either.
Every time a MMO clearly modeled after WoW comes out, the forums are aflame with "OMG It's another WoW clone! We want something different!"
Then someone does something different, and we get "OMG it doesn't do things the way WoW does! Make it more like WoW or it's going to fail!" Of course, they don't specifically say "make it more like WoW". However, reading what people want added and/or changed, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out what their "suggestions" are inspired by.
Frankly, based on how SE never caved to the demands of making FFXI more like WoW for years, I doubt they're going to cave with FFXIV. They know the kind of game they want to make. They know the kind of experience they want to provide. They know it's not going to appeal to everyone, and they're okay with that.... and that must drive people insane.
Here's what gets me, though. We're talking about a developer who has been around since 1983, has one of the largest, successful and most recognized franchises in the gaming industry, has put out hit game after hit game... has designed, developed and successfully run a MMO for 8+ years... And there are people in these threads (and elsewhere) who trash them dismissively like they're some small, shoestring indie company working out of someone's garage with no clue what they're doing.
I'm not sure if it's sad, funny, or both.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
It's sad.... that you and seemingly everyone else that is completely against jumping's only argument is "I don't want it like wow" when a lot of people aren't bringing up wow in the first place. Know what inspires me to like jumping? Mario.
/facepalm
Right. Because nothing else they've done to get FFXIV to where it is now required effort. The past several years has been an extended vacation for the FFXIV development team. They've been kicking back with margaritas on some tropical beach, and the rest of the game has made itself. All they had to do was add jumping and swimming, but decided they just didn't feel like making the effort.
Do you think before you post some of the stuff you do, Wizardry? That's a serious question.
As for advanced physics... Why should they use it if it doesn't serve the game? Because you think it should be there to fit whatever your definition of "next gen" is?
Just because technology exists doesn't mean "it must be used".
A painter doesn't use every color in their palette simply because they're available. They use only the ones needed to complete the painting. A songwriter doesn't use every note playable on a guitar. They use only the notes required to create the melodies and get the song written.
Likewise, a developer isn't required to use a form of technology simply because "it exists". They use only what is needed to achieve what they're looking to design. They're cuttong corners no more than the painter or song-writer described above.
And once again.. There is no precedent to show that a MMO - or any game - requires jumping or swimming to be successful. Again, to the contrary, there are myriad examples out there that prove the exact opposite.
People who want jumping/swimming are entitled to their preferences. But this dishonest, spin-tastic BS about jumping and swimming being a requirement of modern or next-gen MMOs seriously needs to be let go. Jumping has never been "required". Swimming has never been "required". They've been features/functions that have been included or left out based on the requirements of the game in question.
But by all means.. go tell Bioware that Dragon Age is a failure because it has no jumping. Go tell ArenaNet that Guild Wars is a failure because it has no jumping or swimming. Go tell Blizzard that Diablo II is a failure because it has no jumping. Go tell Nintendo that Zelda 64 is a failure because it has no jump button (you auto-jump in that game). Go tell SE that FF VII was a failure because it has no jumping... Go ahead.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Actually that's not my reason. If you want to know my thoughts on jumping in any game... ask me, and I'll happily tell you. Don't presume to know and put words in my mouth.
My take is, I don't care either way. If the gameplay warrants it, then fine. If the gameplay doesn't warrant it, then fine.
That said... I have read post after post after post after post, in thread after thread after thread, on forum after forum after forum where the words "like it is in WoW", or "it works in WoW" - or some other variation on that - used to describe why something should be done in FFXIV - including jumping. As a recent example, someone on another forum suggested SE have motorcycles in FFXIV that you can hop up and down on when you press space.. Their reason? Because they have them in WoW. That's it. No insight as to how it would improve or enhance the gameplay. WoW had it, and so, FFXIV should as well.
So, if it's all the same to you, people *do* make those comments, and when I read them, I'm going to refer to them.
Also, to state the obvious... FFXIV doesn't take place in the Mushroom Kingdom, and FFXIV is not a platformer.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
At this point, I'm only against it because it's the new popular topic that the general bandwagon crowd is circling around like vultures. The moment I saw a thread in the Rift section about it, I knew this wasn't about whether you can jump or not, but just about beating your chest and wanting to hear the sound of your own voice. Jumping didn't mean anything to anyone a little over a month ago, now it's a hot topic, and for all the wrong reasons.
I almost wish you fools would just go back to the sand vs park, or F2P vs P2P charade.
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You're trying to make an arguement against jumping.... you already lost soon as you posted.
That's fine. I'm "losing" according to someone or another no matter what I say, where I say it, or what side of the debate I fall on. I'm sure I'll live
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
ffxiv doesnt need jumping the game world isnt designed for it