It doesn't matter what ye are so much as what ye are perceived as.
There's a few saying here.
First. "Only nerds and geeks care about the difference between nerds and geeks." - Putting to the point, one is what they are, beyond that is all semantics to the onlooker.
Second "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar." - There needn't be purpose or deliberation to every action, especially when even people are primarily emotionally dirven at their core. A sinister thought, lustful desire, or sense of denial/rejection doesn't have to motivate these choices.
Third "Or it could be a -CENSORED- in your mouth" - On the flipside, denial is a pretty strong thing.
Fourth "Please remind me, why do I care?" - I ain't you and you ain't me. And if we are, we have bigger issues that what one's personal preferences entails. As long as one isn't doing something that's generally accepted as 'bad', then others hardly have a reson to butt in, unless they're trying to get your attention.
..... Says the man with the beastly boy avatar!
I would be offended by that comment for multiple reasons if I could muster the will to be more than miffed.
More than that it makes me feel like I need to draw my avatar again now that she's been called a 'beastly boy'. T_T
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LOL at first glance of your avatar I did think that it was a manboy with a beard too and it was right while reading this funny thread.
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I shall go make doodles in hopes of one being lass manly now.
I don't think you should be too sad - it's just that she does appear to have a beard, and that draws the attention away from subtler gender distinctions.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
So there seems to be a large number of people that are so allergic to anime/manga style art that they won't even try a game that has that same art style. Some of these people won't even play a game that is too “cartoony” in its art style. If it isn't brownish-gray with big tuff manly men drawn like refrigerators with cantaloupes nailed on for heads, they won't play it.
What I find odd about this attitude is that it only goes one way. I've never heard anyone say that they would refuse to play a game because the only colors it features are dogshit brown and muzzle flash. I've never heard anyone say “I'm not going to play a game where the protagonists breasts are that small!!!” We all want to talk about how games have broken out of the “teenage boys in their basement” demographic, but the forums seem to be jam packed with people who are too macho insecure to be anything other than.
So just how much of this hatred toward charm and color in artwork is really just insecurity about how others will perceive your sexuality? You know what I'm talking about? How many of these comments are really about the need to be seen as straight and manly? Seriously.
Most of the games I grew up with had horrible graphics. I still played them, because they were good games. I can put up with sub-par artwork or art styles that I don't like if the game underneath is solid. So what gives with the cartoon haters? Why rob yourself if you aren't worried about how others look at you?
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You make a lot of baseless assumptions, inflammatory remarks & insensitive comments in your post.
I'm inclined to label this post as pure troll-bait because it is up to people to like what they like, your tastes are not everyone else's & if "some" like big-breasted anime females wearing the absolute bare-minimum, and "some" like turd-coloured landscapes it is a matter of taste.
The one thing I always champion is "choice" in any game there should be the choice for the player to view the game in a way that suits them.
I advocate "visual filters" so that any player could be as well-covered or as naked as they like but that a client side filter meant that players who do not wish to see others nudity do not have to be subjected to it, & in that way each player get's exactly the view they want.
I'm just disappointed that kind of visual filtering has not been attempted yet.
Sexuality? That's a whole other ball of wax. heck, if I made a game that was completely realistic but the men wore bondage gear and "assless" chaps and the women dressed like realistic hookers or dominatrixes I think there would be people who would start having problems with the art design. Or at least the themes.
Thus my ability to play every race in L2 except Dark Elf.
... thus what ?
Male darkelves didnt wear anything like that.
Yeah female darkelves did, but they didnt turned me on anyway, so I didnt mind either.
I'm more into women like Drew Barrymore, not in thin, overly busty dunno-whats.
So there seems to be a large number of people that are so allergic to anime/manga style art that they won't even try a game that has that same art style. Some of these people won't even play a game that is too “cartoony” in its art style. If it isn't brownish-gray with big tuff manly men drawn like refrigerators with cantaloupes nailed on for heads, they won't play it.
What I find odd about this attitude is that it only goes one way. I've never heard anyone say that they would refuse to play a game because the only colors it features are dogshit brown and muzzle flash. I've never heard anyone say “I'm not going to play a game where the protagonists breasts are that small!!!” We all want to talk about how games have broken out of the “teenage boys in their basement” demographic, but the forums seem to be jam packed with people who are too macho insecure to be anything other than.
So just how much of this hatred toward charm and color in artwork is really just insecurity about how others will perceive your sexuality? You know what I'm talking about? How many of these comments are really about the need to be seen as straight and manly? Seriously.
Most of the games I grew up with had horrible graphics. I still played them, because they were good games. I can put up with sub-par artwork or art styles that I don't like if the game underneath is solid. So what gives with the cartoon haters? Why rob yourself if you aren't worried about how others look at you?
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Great post, man!
"If it isn't brownish-gray with big tuff manly men drawn like refrigerators with cantaloupes nailed on for heads, they won't play it."
Haha, I love that sentence. It really hits the nail, or how that saying goes. I guess it is one of those sentences we should remember. A great truism. Now while I am no fan of overly stylized Anime design, I vividly HATE this western stereotype where every female character looks like "vixen" and every male like a Schwarzenegger type, or so. (Hello WOW...) I mean, if you play that grim warrior, thats ok, but when you decide to play a lithe rogue or a priest, why should be be bulky like that macho stereotype? For me that is an aspect that breaks my Roleplaying.
I really think indeed there is a lot of insecurity and overcompensation; if we take what we know about youth psychology we can take that as a fact that really isn't disputable. Every time someone comes up with more detailled and colourful, they have to laugh it up and make some mockery about it, and that's just proof that it is indeed insecurity.
Games, especially MMOs, are a sort of last bastion for the machos and the nerds, and both are entirely closed to a more rounded and balanced manlyness. It doesn't need a metro-man approach, really, but where women got more balanced in the last 50 years, men still often are stuck in century old stereotypes.
Good post! Don't let some people who don't understand irritate you!
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So there seems to be a large number of people that are so allergic to anime/manga style art that they won't even try a game that has that same art style. Some of these people won't even play a game that is too “cartoony” in its art style. If it isn't brownish-gray with big tuff manly men drawn like refrigerators with cantaloupes nailed on for heads, they won't play it.
What I find odd about this attitude is that it only goes one way. I've never heard anyone say that they would refuse to play a game because the only colors it features are dogshit brown and muzzle flash. I've never heard anyone say “I'm not going to play a game where the protagonists breasts are that small!!!” We all want to talk about how games have broken out of the “teenage boys in their basement” demographic, but the forums seem to be jam packed with people who are too macho insecure to be anything other than.
So just how much of this hatred toward charm and color in artwork is really just insecurity about how others will perceive your sexuality? You know what I'm talking about? How many of these comments are really about the need to be seen as straight and manly? Seriously.
Most of the games I grew up with had horrible graphics. I still played them, because they were good games. I can put up with sub-par artwork or art styles that I don't like if the game underneath is solid. So what gives with the cartoon haters? Why rob yourself if you aren't worried about how others look at you?
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Great post, man!
"If it isn't brownish-gray with big tuff manly men drawn like refrigerators with cantaloupes nailed on for heads, they won't play it."
Haha, I love that sentence. It really hits the nail, or how that saying goes. I guess it is one of those sentences we should remember. A great truism. Now while I am no fan of overly stylized Anime design, I vividly HATE this western stereotype where every female character looks like "vixen" and every male like a Schwarzenegger type, or so. (Hello WOW...) I mean, if you play that grim warrior, thats ok, but when you decide to play a lithe rogue or a priest, why should be be bulky like that macho stereotype? For me that is an aspect that breaks my Roleplaying.
I really think indeed there is a lot of insecurity and overcompensation; if we take what we know about youth psychology we can take that as a fact that really isn't disputable. Every time someone comes up with more detailled and colourful, they have to laugh it up and make some mockery about it, and that's just proof that it is indeed insecurity.
Games, especially MMOs, are a sort of last bastion for the machos and the nerds, and both are entirely closed to a more rounded and balanced manlyness. It doesn't need a metro-man approach, really, but where women got more balanced in the last 50 years, men still often are stuck in century old stereotypes.
Good post! Don't let some people who don't understand irritate you!
That is a gross over simplification. Personally I find the fact that Japanese Anime tends to be overly obsessed with some form of pedophilia to be one of the reasons many gamers snub their nose at it( Fanservice{a very popular Anime genre} for example usually involves prepubescent girls in highly provocative sometimes overtly sexual situations; this just does not reside well with Western moral sensibilities). The fact is, there is a considerable difference between Western and Asian culture.
To sum things up as "Western audiences are just insecure thats why they don't like Anime style games" is just preposterous. One needs to actually look at why the two cultures are different in order to come up with a better reason. Western society by its very nature is based of Judeo-Christian morality. Asian cultures specifically Japanese are not; thats why you have Japanese business men buying soiled teenage girls panties from vending machines. That just would not fly in the U.S.A. . Whether you agree with that or not is completely besides the point; that is just the reality of these two cultures. So please leave your egotistical and overly presumptuous statements at the door. Try to look at things more objectively.
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So there seems to be a large number of people that are so allergic to anime/manga style art that they won't even try a game that has that same art style. Some of these people won't even play a game that is too cartoony in its art style. If it isn't brownish-gray with big tuff manly men drawn like refrigerators with cantaloupes nailed on for heads, they won't play it. What I find odd about this attitude is that it only goes one way. I've never heard anyone say that they would refuse to play a game because the only colors it features are dogshit brown and muzzle flash. I've never heard anyone say I'm not going to play a game where the protagonists breasts are that small!!! We all want to talk about how games have broken out of the teenage boys in their basement demographic, but the forums seem to be jam packed with people who are too macho insecure to be anything other than. So just how much of this hatred toward charm and color in artwork is really just insecurity about how others will perceive your sexuality? You know what I'm talking about? How many of these comments are really about the need to be seen as straight and manly? Seriously. Most of the games I grew up with had horrible graphics. I still played them, because they were good games. I can put up with sub-par artwork or art styles that I don't like if the game underneath is solid. So what gives with the cartoon haters? Why rob yourself if you aren't worried about how others look at you? [Mod edit]
well since I have a gf and a kid I dont really believe ur argument of me not being sure of my sexuality cause I dont like Manga crap!"! ( I asume ur thinkin of FFXIVXII or whatever it is now ) Ive played alot of old games with crappy graphics on my C64 and NES 8bit and loved it.. But even as a young kid I couldnt stand watching Manga cartoons.. I didnt like it when I was 3-4y old, and I sure dont like it now.. Manga is a "required" taste, and many Asians love it cause they grew up with it. But in the west we had/have other traditions and we are acostume to other styles, so if someone says then dont like the creepy/girly/gay look thats is anime, well then thats theyre opinion in taste as it should be.
I bet Jimmy thinks I'm insecure because I prefer Warhammer 40k over a cute cat-girl that can punch through walls and then go, "Giggle giggle did I do that? I'm so cute and innocent but I just punched through a wall! OOOOPS LOL xD xD xD xD xD!"
I'm half Japanese, too. I like some anime, but not the cute crap. If the show as a whole is good, I'll tolerate some of it, but there's a fine line. For instance - Bleach - I hate Inoue (Orihime, w/e). But because I like the other characters, I don't mind. Naruto sucked, but Shippuden is better because it's more mature and I can tolerate it. If an anime show can balance serious issues, good action/mature themes with light spurts of comedy or cuteness, it works. For me. That's probably why I like so few.
As for MMOs, no. Keep animes out of my MMOs. I just don't think it works on a gameplay level - it's like I'm fine with watching them be their own characters in a show, but I'd never actually want to be one of them. Unless it was a very cool samurai-type game that was stylized but not too cartoony, because I love samurai.
As long as the female toons have boob sliders makng them bigger, I do not care about the art stayle.
I'm not sure I understand the seeming male fascination in this thread with "boob sliders." I mean...I'm a lesbian and still...boob sliders for fake boobs on cartoons do nothin' for me. O.o Must just be a downright "dude thing."
It is not just a male thing. I am a woman, and I think I was the one promoting boob sliders on this thread due to looking at that very odd female avatar above. It looks odd to me to play a female toon that is breastless. I have breasts, I would expect my female avatar to have breasts. Lack of breasts would be masculine. I think the rift picture posted in this thread looks masculine. I am a woman and proud to be a woman and enjoy my breasts very much, the removal of them appears as if they are trying to strip away our feminine details and form us in the shape of a man. I feel that breasts are part of being a woman, unlike the idea that many have that feminine = weak. Instead, I see that women should be proud to be women. A woman can be strong, sexy, fierce, curvaceous, intelligent, and be a survivor and THAT is all part of being feminine. Women for too long have thought that we should hide our bodies, but I disagree. I think we should be proud of our bodies, that we can wear a dress or a bikini and it does not degrade us in any way, it is the idea that we need " hide ourselves" from others that is degrading. I mean we are the lucky ones, women are blessed with the superior form.. That is why there are so many males these days that feel they have to be a woman in game because they think the male form is ugly.
I know I sure as hell wouldn't want to look like a guy.. I will keep my boobs thank you.
I also find it degrading that people assume if you have large breasts that means they have to be fake. SOME OF US WERE BORN THAT WAY! I hear it all the time, because I have a small frame and large breasts that they must be fake.. No I have had people harassing me about these things my whole life.. I even had to tape them down in school, and I am tired of being told how I am supposed to look. This was the way I was made, I am not changing myself because others are offended by it.
LOL
I tried to make my character in AOC with the biggest butt and smallest breasts possible. The largest butt was a little tiny bit more than average and the smallest boobs were still huge.
My GF is really bummed about graphics revamp in Darkfall . .. changing the look from this (not the best pictures):
to this:
She wants the bigger more natural boobs even though she doesnt have them IRL.
They really arent that much smaller but she was freaking out saying stuff like, "OMG they are going to turn me into sheman and the boobs look fake ever though they are smaller and she has no butt!"
I think a droopy boob slider would make her happy.
I think the new model looks fine but I am going to miss that cute butt in deerskin LOL
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So there seems to be a large number of people that are so allergic to anime/manga style art that they won't even try a game that has that same art style. Some of these people won't even play a game that is too cartoony in its art style. If it isn't brownish-gray with big tuff manly men drawn like refrigerators with cantaloupes nailed on for heads, they won't play it. What I find odd about this attitude is that it only goes one way. I've never heard anyone say that they would refuse to play a game because the only colors it features are dogshit brown and muzzle flash. I've never heard anyone say I'm not going to play a game where the protagonists breasts are that small!!! We all want to talk about how games have broken out of the teenage boys in their basement demographic, but the forums seem to be jam packed with people who are too macho insecure to be anything other than. So just how much of this hatred toward charm and color in artwork is really just insecurity about how others will perceive your sexuality? You know what I'm talking about? How many of these comments are really about the need to be seen as straight and manly? Seriously. Most of the games I grew up with had horrible graphics. I still played them, because they were good games. I can put up with sub-par artwork or art styles that I don't like if the game underneath is solid. So what gives with the cartoon haters? Why rob yourself if you aren't worried about how others look at you? [Mod edit]
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Come back when you understand that it has nothing to do with sexuality ... unless you happen to be repressing yours. In which case, I can almost understand your teen-ish angst.
I'm just disappointed that kind of visual filtering has not been attempted yet.
Because it would drastically raise the requirement for models again ?
Actually no, a visual filtering system need only add clothes, so several modifications of the same outfit could be made & then the filter just selects which for you to see based on your preferences, with enough planning & forethought this would not be a performance impacting system at all, this would open up the same base game to a much wider audience, for example middle-eastern countries where dress restrictions have a solid cultural foundation, it might be that a game could set the "base" filtering to be more appropriate to those countries so it could well have some serious economic foundations for being there too.
Same engine being able to be fliexible enough to allow visual filtering of the kind I describe would be much more likely to become a game that hits much wider markets.
So there seems to be a large number of people that are so allergic to anime/manga style art that they won't even try a game that has that same art style. Some of these people won't even play a game that is too “cartoony” in its art style. If it isn't brownish-gray with big tuff manly men drawn like refrigerators with cantaloupes nailed on for heads, they won't play it.
What I find odd about this attitude is that it only goes one way. I've never heard anyone say that they would refuse to play a game because the only colors it features are dogshit brown and muzzle flash. I've never heard anyone say “I'm not going to play a game where the protagonists breasts are that small!!!” We all want to talk about how games have broken out of the “teenage boys in their basement” demographic, but the forums seem to be jam packed with people who are too macho insecure to be anything other than.
So just how much of this hatred toward charm and color in artwork is really just insecurity about how others will perceive your sexuality? You know what I'm talking about? How many of these comments are really about the need to be seen as straight and manly? Seriously.
Most of the games I grew up with had horrible graphics. I still played them, because they were good games. I can put up with sub-par artwork or art styles that I don't like if the game underneath is solid. So what gives with the cartoon haters? Why rob yourself if you aren't worried about how others look at you?
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Good questions. I only know my own opinion but, it has nothing to do with any insecurity I have. I am a straight male. I however, was president of my law school's LGBTQ rights club and active in the LGBTQ club in undergrad. Many people at school thought I was gay because of this and I really didn't care.
For me, it is simply about role play. I don't feel like I can portray an effeminate man well without being offensive. I feel more comfortable playing butchy females or manly men. Especially, if the game uses vent, I pretty much need to play a big hairy brute, since that's how my voice sounds.
I don't mean to imply than sexual orientation and gender stereotypical mannerisms are the same, but I there is overlap at least from a superficial role play perspective.
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So there seems to be a large number of people that are so allergic to anime/manga style art that they won't even try a game that has that same art style. Some of these people won't even play a game that is too “cartoony” in its art style. If it isn't brownish-gray with big tuff manly men drawn like refrigerators with cantaloupes nailed on for heads, they won't play it.
What I find odd about this attitude is that it only goes one way. I've never heard anyone say that they would refuse to play a game because the only colors it features are dogshit brown and muzzle flash. I've never heard anyone say “I'm not going to play a game where the protagonists breasts are that small!!!” We all want to talk about how games have broken out of the “teenage boys in their basement” demographic, but the forums seem to be jam packed with people who are too macho insecure to be anything other than.
So just how much of this hatred toward charm and color in artwork is really just insecurity about how others will perceive your sexuality? You know what I'm talking about? How many of these comments are really about the need to be seen as straight and manly? Seriously.
Most of the games I grew up with had horrible graphics. I still played them, because they were good games. I can put up with sub-par artwork or art styles that I don't like if the game underneath is solid. So what gives with the cartoon haters? Why rob yourself if you aren't worried about how others look at you?
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You make a lot of baseless assumptions, inflammatory remarks & insensitive comments in your post.
I'm inclined to label this post as pure troll-bait because it is up to people to like what they like, your tastes are not everyone else's & if "some" like big-breasted anime females wearing the absolute bare-minimum, and "some" like turd-coloured landscapes it is a matter of taste.
The one thing I always champion is "choice" in any game there should be the choice for the player to view the game in a way that suits them.
I advocate "visual filters" so that any player could be as well-covered or as naked as they like but that a client side filter meant that players who do not wish to see others nudity do not have to be subjected to it, & in that way each player get's exactly the view they want.
I'm just disappointed that kind of visual filtering has not been attempted yet.
On a very small scale it was done with America's Army. Both sides played as the US army while the enemy always looked like terrorists. Can't have any terrorists win a-la counterstrike I guess D=
I would like to see Asian style armors in Western style graphics. Everything massive and spiky but rendered with realistic tones/lighting instead of anime-esque.
In what way is that picture Manga? It doesn't look Japanese in any form. Maybe people are confusing terms here but Manga is a Japanese style and that certainly isn't it.
In what way is that picture Manga? It doesn't look Japanese in any form. Maybe people are confusing terms here but Manga is a Japanese style and that certainly isn't it.
It looks like your average western style High-Fantasy art.
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In what way is that picture Manga? It doesn't look Japanese in any form. Maybe people are confusing terms here but Manga is a Japanese style and that certainly isn't it.
It looks like your average western style High-Fantasy art.
That is because it is.
Just because Eastern games are starting to incorporate western art into eastern games in order to sell more games, it doesn;t suddenly turn it into something else.
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I would be offended by that comment for multiple reasons if I could muster the will to be more than miffed.
More than that it makes me feel like I need to draw my avatar again now that she's been called a 'beastly boy'. T_T
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LOL at first glance of your avatar I did think that it was a manboy with a beard too and it was right while reading this funny thread.
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You sir have now made me sad. Q_Q
I shall go make doodles in hopes of one being lass manly now.
"The knowledge of the theory of logic has no tendency whatever to make men good reasoners." - Thomas B. Macaulay
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin
I don't think you should be too sad - it's just that she does appear to have a beard, and that draws the attention away from subtler gender distinctions.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
You make a lot of baseless assumptions, inflammatory remarks & insensitive comments in your post.
I'm inclined to label this post as pure troll-bait because it is up to people to like what they like, your tastes are not everyone else's & if "some" like big-breasted anime females wearing the absolute bare-minimum, and "some" like turd-coloured landscapes it is a matter of taste.
The one thing I always champion is "choice" in any game there should be the choice for the player to view the game in a way that suits them.
I advocate "visual filters" so that any player could be as well-covered or as naked as they like but that a client side filter meant that players who do not wish to see others nudity do not have to be subjected to it, & in that way each player get's exactly the view they want.
I'm just disappointed that kind of visual filtering has not been attempted yet.
Me luv Manga style !
I dont have a clue what it has to do with Sexuality, though.
For me, Manga style = very beautiful and very stylish characters.
Because it would drastically raise the requirement for models again ?
Err ... so you hate Manga, but you like Manga ? Or what ?
GW is looking very much like Lineage 2 ...
... thus what ?
Male darkelves didnt wear anything like that.
Yeah female darkelves did, but they didnt turned me on anyway, so I didnt mind either.
I'm more into women like Drew Barrymore, not in thin, overly busty dunno-whats.
Also, if a game has darkelves, I play darkelf !
Great post, man!
"If it isn't brownish-gray with big tuff manly men drawn like refrigerators with cantaloupes nailed on for heads, they won't play it."
Haha, I love that sentence. It really hits the nail, or how that saying goes. I guess it is one of those sentences we should remember. A great truism. Now while I am no fan of overly stylized Anime design, I vividly HATE this western stereotype where every female character looks like "vixen" and every male like a Schwarzenegger type, or so. (Hello WOW...) I mean, if you play that grim warrior, thats ok, but when you decide to play a lithe rogue or a priest, why should be be bulky like that macho stereotype? For me that is an aspect that breaks my Roleplaying.
I really think indeed there is a lot of insecurity and overcompensation; if we take what we know about youth psychology we can take that as a fact that really isn't disputable. Every time someone comes up with more detailled and colourful, they have to laugh it up and make some mockery about it, and that's just proof that it is indeed insecurity.
Games, especially MMOs, are a sort of last bastion for the machos and the nerds, and both are entirely closed to a more rounded and balanced manlyness. It doesn't need a metro-man approach, really, but where women got more balanced in the last 50 years, men still often are stuck in century old stereotypes.
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That is a gross over simplification. Personally I find the fact that Japanese Anime tends to be overly obsessed with some form of pedophilia to be one of the reasons many gamers snub their nose at it( Fanservice{a very popular Anime genre} for example usually involves prepubescent girls in highly provocative sometimes overtly sexual situations; this just does not reside well with Western moral sensibilities). The fact is, there is a considerable difference between Western and Asian culture.
To sum things up as "Western audiences are just insecure thats why they don't like Anime style games" is just preposterous. One needs to actually look at why the two cultures are different in order to come up with a better reason. Western society by its very nature is based of Judeo-Christian morality. Asian cultures specifically Japanese are not; thats why you have Japanese business men buying soiled teenage girls panties from vending machines. That just would not fly in the U.S.A. . Whether you agree with that or not is completely besides the point; that is just the reality of these two cultures. So please leave your egotistical and overly presumptuous statements at the door. Try to look at things more objectively.
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well since I have a gf and a kid I dont really believe ur argument of me not being sure of my sexuality cause I dont like Manga crap!"! ( I asume ur thinkin of FFXIVXII or whatever it is now ) Ive played alot of old games with crappy graphics on my C64 and NES 8bit and loved it.. But even as a young kid I couldnt stand watching Manga cartoons.. I didnt like it when I was 3-4y old, and I sure dont like it now.. Manga is a "required" taste, and many Asians love it cause they grew up with it. But in the west we had/have other traditions and we are acostume to other styles, so if someone says then dont like the creepy/girly/gay look thats is anime, well then thats theyre opinion in taste as it should be.I bet Jimmy thinks I'm insecure because I prefer Warhammer 40k over a cute cat-girl that can punch through walls and then go, "Giggle giggle did I do that? I'm so cute and innocent but I just punched through a wall! OOOOPS LOL xD xD xD xD xD!"
I'm half Japanese, too. I like some anime, but not the cute crap. If the show as a whole is good, I'll tolerate some of it, but there's a fine line. For instance - Bleach - I hate Inoue (Orihime, w/e). But because I like the other characters, I don't mind. Naruto sucked, but Shippuden is better because it's more mature and I can tolerate it. If an anime show can balance serious issues, good action/mature themes with light spurts of comedy or cuteness, it works. For me. That's probably why I like so few.
As for MMOs, no. Keep animes out of my MMOs. I just don't think it works on a gameplay level - it's like I'm fine with watching them be their own characters in a show, but I'd never actually want to be one of them. Unless it was a very cool samurai-type game that was stylized but not too cartoony, because I love samurai.
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I tried to make my character in AOC with the biggest butt and smallest breasts possible. The largest butt was a little tiny bit more than average and the smallest boobs were still huge.
My GF is really bummed about graphics revamp in Darkfall . .. changing the look from this (not the best pictures):
to this:
She wants the bigger more natural boobs even though she doesnt have them IRL.
They really arent that much smaller but she was freaking out saying stuff like, "OMG they are going to turn me into sheman and the boobs look fake ever though they are smaller and she has no butt!"
I think a droopy boob slider would make her happy.
I think the new model looks fine but I am going to miss that cute butt in deerskin LOL
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Come back when you understand that it has nothing to do with sexuality ... unless you happen to be repressing yours. In which case, I can almost understand your teen-ish angst.Actually no, a visual filtering system need only add clothes, so several modifications of the same outfit could be made & then the filter just selects which for you to see based on your preferences, with enough planning & forethought this would not be a performance impacting system at all, this would open up the same base game to a much wider audience, for example middle-eastern countries where dress restrictions have a solid cultural foundation, it might be that a game could set the "base" filtering to be more appropriate to those countries so it could well have some serious economic foundations for being there too.
Same engine being able to be fliexible enough to allow visual filtering of the kind I describe would be much more likely to become a game that hits much wider markets.
Good questions. I only know my own opinion but, it has nothing to do with any insecurity I have. I am a straight male. I however, was president of my law school's LGBTQ rights club and active in the LGBTQ club in undergrad. Many people at school thought I was gay because of this and I really didn't care.
For me, it is simply about role play. I don't feel like I can portray an effeminate man well without being offensive. I feel more comfortable playing butchy females or manly men. Especially, if the game uses vent, I pretty much need to play a big hairy brute, since that's how my voice sounds.
I don't mean to imply than sexual orientation and gender stereotypical mannerisms are the same, but I there is overlap at least from a superficial role play perspective.
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I tried Aion despite it having anime-ish gfx. Didn't like it. Not just for that reason.
I like anime art and film styles... just never liked anime as an rpg... just doesn't feel right. Can't relate to it at all.
On a very small scale it was done with America's Army. Both sides played as the US army while the enemy always looked like terrorists. Can't have any terrorists win a-la counterstrike I guess D=
Not sure what you are looking at, but GW looks nothing like manga or lineage2 LOL
It is also apparent Lineage is evolving with a combination of eastern and western styles.
Actually that looks exactly like L2. If GW isn't manga-ish then neither is L2 or Aion. There are other games like Mabinogi that are tho.
I would like to see Asian style armors in Western style graphics. Everything massive and spiky but rendered with realistic tones/lighting instead of anime-esque.
In what way is that picture Manga? It doesn't look Japanese in any form. Maybe people are confusing terms here but Manga is a Japanese style and that certainly isn't it.
It looks like your average western style High-Fantasy art.
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That is because it is.
Just because Eastern games are starting to incorporate western art into eastern games in order to sell more games, it doesn;t suddenly turn it into something else.