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"Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."
[quote]Originally posted by Aldaron
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Originally posted by Jamkull
Originally posted by Aldaron Well I'm mainly looking for you to give an exact implication of what religions you're referring to as to whether or not I can prove or disprove what you're saying. By just generalizing you could be meaning any religion, and some actually do what you say, while others are the opposite. So please give an exact description of what religions you are implicating of.
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I'm not good with naming names, but i will try to purpose some historical events and you can place the religion with the event.
Salem witch trials?
Spanish Inquisition?
Various mass suicides?
Iran and Iraq wars?
There was a time shortly after King James made Christianity their main religion not sure what it is called. But if you didn't conform you were either killed or ostracized.
The miens sacrificing for what?
Sacrificing was the age old way of many religions and even in todays society there are a couple different religions that still do sacrifices. either it being human or animal. The ones that sacrifice other humans of course which are generalized as satanism, but not all of them have vowed Satan to be their reason.
So many things that have transpired in time that makes religions in general to be considered Evil in one way or another. But that is of course only a perspective.
There are even my own experiences with the various forms of christianity and various other religions within the great old US of A. In various small towns especially through the bible belt how people are ostracized because they don't believe the way the local folk believe.
What you got to look at is what the actual belief system is based on. And then what it says before making your decision about that religion.
Such as alot of people critisize Christianity as being evil because of what some people have done in the past, and that they proclaimed to be Christians. But yet those same people obviously haven't actually studied their basics or they wouldn't make such ignorant statements such as those.
It's always better to base your thoughts on the religion based on what it actually states, instead of the flawed men who follow it.
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how horibbly wrong... you should base you opnions on religous belifs from a point of view in which is only looking at the teachings and belifs of a relgion correct.... you should based your opnions on a organized relgion based on the facts of what the orgazation has done... the people make up the organized relgion so on them you must look... the teachings are all fine and dandy but the people the misuse them are wrong.... christinaty is a great relgion when just looking at the bible... but when looking at the actual orgainzed relgion it is pretty crappy, along with all relgions...
"Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."
err sorry I dont really understand what you mean... but its ok...
Sorry. Should of been more descriptive. What I was talking about was the fact of you generalizing. You saying organized religion is crappy because of corruptible people, and their abuse of power, and them using the name of their religion when they do something that it's actually against.
Thus me making a comment about aliens in retrospect to the whole fact of, if you use the same logic in comparison to the human race. The human race would just be a hopeless pile of crap.
Or maybe i'm mis-interpreting what you said. Please say so if I did.
"Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."
good point exxcept two things... church is not needed for people to still belive in the teachings of christinaity second though the historical records are superb they have also destroyed and change lots of historical events... it would have been better if 3rd party memebers sucha as in the time of ROmans/Greeks there were Historians to write down info... though that to would have a biased opnion, however since there would be more then one it would be easier to understand the "middle" ground...
Ah, but without the church keeping a documented report dating back to the roman persecution of the jews (before and during the time jesus is believed have exsisted). Historians were able to set a time table, have a rough idea where to gather information, and a loose referance to help them understand the times. from this basis archioligist and historians were able to create a stageringly accurate description of life during roman times and even explore further back into time.
This place is full of tree-huggers and tofu fartn' faeries...
you kinda understood but then again kinda way off
... I am not "generlaizing" I am stating events that happened and why organized relgion is bad... the relgion itself is good and some of the people that fallow it are good to... but the people that corrupt it spread the corruption to everyone else because then they fallow out the "wrong" orders... I dont mean to say I think christinas are corrupt just that they are sometimes lead to do the wrong things, and those wrongs thigns are horrible... so with out the governing relgious leaders people could belive in the good teachings of the bible with out putting themselves in the potion in which they are forced to commit wrong doings... see organized relgion sucks 
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I can't believe this is even being discussed here of all places. Religion is the type of discussion that no matter who you get, will end up ugly or annoying everyone. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not going to side wth any of your religious beliefs. I just find it irritatingly interesting that on a gaming site the discussion of religion has 60 pages of comments. and we can barely get 20 if that many for most any Morg or game published and discussed.
Not that this is going to make a dent in your need to express your opinion of religion but can't we just let this topic Die.
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Frumple bog was here
yea but all they did was keep the historical refrences that the 3rd party romans wrote... anyone could have done that... might not have happened but then agian I am thinking that chances are high some one would keep them...
I am bored... this gives me something to do...
Original Christianity was meant as a brotherhood, with only Christ as the head. Sort of fixes that problem doesn't it?
The Christian church surely does need a reform, going back to it's original intent.
I couldn't really agree with your statement or not as I do not know where your definition of "organized religion" begins and ends.
Anyhow. I'm out for the night. I'll continue this later.
Godbless everyone.
"Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."
This place is full of tree-huggers and tofu fartn' faeries...
This place is full of tree-huggers and tofu fartn' faeries...
foul temptress... now I have to do it... @&;(@ you mother*@#@! I ahte your @&;!@# guts...
How come there are so many pedofile priests?
Watch out.. he might be touching your child right when we speak.
If you were born alone in this world and lived with no human interaction would you believe in (a) God?
Hellen Keller thought there was someone like that before she was educated enough to effectively communicate.
I am sorry to say but Hellen Keller did have human interaction.
but he's NOT straying from what's said in the bible, because he said that it doesn't say that adam and eve were the only people. It's more likely to assume than there WERE other people, because most likely cain didn't have sex with his mom.
HAHAHA We all know incest was going down. It's the bible!
-Let's all be ignorant!
How is it that these ancient people were aware of the existence of creatueres that had supposedly been extinct for millions of years when they drew these pictures?
The same reason why they were aware of open-heart surgery, flying machines and telescopes. The Ica stones are a hoax. Here's some more info on them that shows why they must be a hoax and why no one takes these as evidence for anything
http://skepdic.com/icastones.html
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The second law of thermodynamics tells us that the universwe had a beginning.
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How is it that these ancient people were aware of the existence of creatueres that had supposedly been extinct for millions of years when they drew these pictures?
The same reason why they were aware of open-heart surgery, flying machines and telescopes. The Ica stones are a hoax. Here's some more info on them that shows why they must be a hoax and why no one takes these as evidence for anything
http://skepdic.com/icastones.html
The Ica stoens need not be taken literally, thei mportant thing is that they show knowledge fo these things. But how do you know they didn't know of those things? It is proven fact that they had and used hot air balloons. The Nazca lines? explain that one, some of the depictions of animals there feature detail only viewable through a microscope. Perhaps these primitives were a bit more advanced than they are commonly given credit for.
Who was responsible for the Ica stones' hoax?
You gonna tell me Dr Cabrera, who discovered the stones sat down and made 10,000 stones, only to give them away (not sell them)?
What was his motivation then?
Or was it one of the simple farmers in the area, who somehow found time in his busy life to carve 10,000 stones for God knows why?
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Whether he sold them or gave them away is irrelevant.
His motivation is irrelevant too.
What does this matter? The point is that you are trying to use these stones to prove your case that man and dinos lived together. The evidence of the authenticity of these stones is shaky..at best. You want to toss out known science that is firmly supported with fossil evidence because of some rock art. Absurd!
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Show me your fossil evidence.
So, when accusing someone of doing something, it is not important to establish the fact that they had a reason for doing so?
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[quote]Originally posted by Vodalus
[b]Show me your fossil evidence.[/quote]
It's not MY fossil evidence, it's the generally accepted explanation that scientists use today and I accept it because it's based on solid evidence. You can usually find this information in biology textbooks.
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"Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."
but he's NOT straying from what's said in the bible, because he said that it doesn't say that adam and eve were the only people. It's more likely to assume than there WERE other people, because most likely cain didn't have sex with his mom.
HAHAHA We all know incest was going down. It's the bible!
Do you make a living of being ignorant? In the Bible, they traveled accross the lands and found other folk. This is a common misconception in Bible studies.