Actually Meowhead, I personally am bashing him for REFUSING to play even though he had a chance. He then sells his opinion, based on nothing but some obscure "feelings", as fact while trying to also write off any criticism with the "This isn't a review" disclaimer. It's the worst form of journalism and in my opinion, this type of "Blogger" should be fired.
The man doesn't want to play the game. He looks at it, and it makes a part of him go 'Ugh. That's not the kind of Star Wars I want to have'
Which is fine. That was like... the first sentence he had, or the second. So it's hardly misleading that this is a post PURELY based off of his emotions.
His whole post was about how the appearance of the game bugs him, and how it appears to not be what he wants. You said earlier in this thing that you probably won't play GW2 because the backgrounds are too soft for you.
Kotaku has its times when it's about facts and SRS Business. ... and they do some of the better MMO review styles out there (They take a whole month to review it, 4 reviews each cataloguing what the past week was like.)
... but sometimes they just have opinion pieces. Purely opinion, and duly noted as such. The Glee fanboys were more mature when they said they didn't want to play the Glee game. Or at least, I never heard any of them ranting about it. :V
... at least stop calling it a review, or even hinting that it resembles a review, because it most clearly is not.
(edit: I dont' want to play Imagine: Babies, but if I was a blogger, I would clearly say that the whole concept of the Imagine: Stereotypical Girl Activity series of games by Ubisoft weirds me out.
... and that I refuse to play them. Does that make me a bad person?)
Your welcome to read the site, I won't. They have lost credibility for me now with three different people on three different games that write opinion peice "reviews" and yet have never played the games in question. (BTW, 2 of those games I had no interest in so you can drop the fanboy crap) Like I said before, if this guy worked for me he would have been fired after writing that peice. Lousy reporting is just that. If I send someone to a show like E3 I expect that to come back with player experience, not gut feelings after REFUSING to play a game. Oh and if he works on commission, he would have been going hungry that week.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
Your welcome to read the site, I won't. They have lost credibility for me now with three different people on three different games that write opinion peice "reviews" and yet have never played the games in question. (BTW, 2 of those games I had no interest in so you can drop the fanboy crap) Like I said before, if this guy worked for me he would have been fired after writing that peice. Lousy reporting is just that. If I send someone to a show like E3 I expect that to come back with player experience, not gut feelings after refusing to play a game.
They're not reviews. If they haven't played it, it's not a review. You can stop calling it 'reviews' in quotes, because that suggests they were calling it a review, and you are exposing them for the fraudulent fakers they are.
You'll probably feel a little more at peace with the world if you come to grips with the difference between a review and an opinionated rant on aesthetics.
Though it's very nice of you to look out for other people, since so far as I can tell your complaint at this point in time is that you're mad that he's wasting somebody else's money.
To me now. That post doesn't really tell me anything about the game itself expect for how it looks when you look at the game and his opinion on it. It's about as important as anyones elses opinion on the game.
It just no longer matters. THe only way it gets weight to it's article is if the person plays the game. If they don't, well they are entitle to their opinion and i won't fault him for it as long as it stays in the realm of...it looks like. If he starts on this will be a bad feature or won't work well in this game, then i need him to have played the game for a decent amount of time to be sure.
As it stands now. It's his opinion after watching the game so its about on forum poster level maybe a tad higher. Still it doesn't really say anything about how the game plays or how it feels to play it. Which to me is the biggest part.
I'm mostly on the throw it in with the rest pile of feelings towards this game.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
To me now. That post doesn't really tell me anything about the game itself expect for how it looks when you look at the game and his opinion on it. It's about as important as anyones elses opinion on the game.
It just no longer matters. THe only way it gets weight to it's article is if the person plays the game. If they don't, well they are entitle to their opinion and i won't fault him for it as long as it stays in the realm of...it looks like. If he starts on this will be a bad feature or won't work well in this game, then i need him to have played the game for a decent amount of time to be sure.
As it stands now. It's his opinion after watching the game so its about on forum poster level maybe a tad higher. Still it doesn't really say anything about how the game plays or how it feels to play it. Which to me is the biggest part.
I'm mostly on the throw it in with the rest pile of feelings towards this game.
By blogging on a gaming website, a certain level of credibility is given to the bloggers word over the average persons. Just like ANY reporter really. This person let his personal feeling get in the way of his professional duty as a "reporter" when he refused to play the game and give a report based on that play. The website itself is also at fault for allowing this type of behavior and has to be held accountable since they published his garbage peice. So now the bloggers name AND the website are on my "Banned" list. I simple will not view their material anymore. It's too bad really, because I used to visit this site everyday or pretty close to it. Now I can't trust them and so I won't let my "hit" be a feather in their hat when they are trying to get advertisers.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
People need to stop treating EVERY NEW MMO like a god send and then crying after they are released. Look at this from a developer and business stand point. Less you are fairly certain and have some substantial backing in your reasoning, why take liberties that could harm or do worse for generating a profit. Yes it's been said a million times, WoW clone and all that horse spit. But honestly if you were running a business, are you going to give people what they want or give people what you like.
ToR is not going to be vastly different from other MMO's. What truly is going to draw in people is the simple fact that it'ss another Star Wars MMO.
For example, instead of people to just eating at Mcdonalds(SWG) all the time for a burger fix(only Star Wars MMO on the market at this time), why not give people some variety and allow them to eat at possibly Burger King or Wendy's(ToR). Just because they are two different places with there own menus(different titles, different gameplay setups, etc), doesn't mean they are still not going to serve you the same general selection of food(missions, leveling, classes, etc).
When did you start playing "old school" MMO's. World Of Warcraft?
People need to stop treating EVERY NEW MMO like a god send and then crying after they are released. Look at this from a developer and business stand point. Less you are fairly certain and have some substantial backing in your reasoning, why take liberties that could harm or do worse for generating a profit. Yes it's been said a million times, WoW clone and all that horse spit. But honestly if you were running a business, are you going to give people what they want or give people what you like.
ToR is not going to be vastly different from other MMO's. What truly is going to draw in people is the simple fact that it'ss another Star Wars MMO.
For example, instead of people to just eating at Mcdonalds(SWG) all the time for a burger fix(only Star Wars MMO on the market at this time), why not give people some variety and allow them to eat at possibly Burger King or Wendy's(ToR). Just because they are two different places with there own menus(different titles, different gameplay setups, etc), doesn't mean they are still not going to serve you the same general selection of food(missions, leveling, classes, etc).
Very good points all around Erstok.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
Tor does not really impress me from the outside looking in but im not a real big SW fan either and playing SWG early on left a bad impression of the mmo versions of the star wars universe...
If given the chance to try TOR i most certainly will but it would have to be a great game outside of the fact that it is a "STAR WARS" game to impress me and convince me to buy it as i am really not a fan of any movie series no matter how great being turned into mmo games that generally cant even begin to capture the imagination or excitement factor of the movies that game devs so often fail to emulate using an outdated combat and class system...
These days i am a pretty jaded gamer and when it comes to buying mmo games these days my wallet has become a well gaurded fortress and i try many but buy few, however i try to respect the young fanbois of any titles and their unjaded and excited optimism afterall i was once unjaded and often over optimistic and it eventually leads to jaded on its own..
Only 2 mmo games have me seriously intrigued at the moment and this may be an all time low for me as i am currently playing no mmo but i am enjoying the nostalgic goodness of duke nukem forever, now if an mmo could bring that back..../sigh
Tor does not really impress me from the outside looking in but im not a real big SW fan either and playing SWG early on left a bad impression of the mmo versions of the star wars universe...
If given the chance to try TOR i most certainly will but it would have to be a great game outside of the fact that it is a "STAR WARS" game to impress me and convince me to buy it as i am really not a fan of any movie series no matter how great being turned into mmo games that generally cant even begin to capture the imagination or excitement factor of the movies that game devs so often fail to emulate using an outdated combat and class system...
These days i am a pretty jaded gamer and when it comes to buying mmo games these days my wallet has become a well gaurded fortress and i try many but buy few, however i try to respect the young fanbois of any titles and their unjaded and excited optimism afterall i was once unjaded and often over optimistic and it eventually leads to jaded on its own..
Only 2 mmo games have me seriously intrigued at the moment and this may be an all time low for me as i am currently playing no mmo but i am enjoying the nostalgic goodness of duke nukem forever, now if an mmo could bring that back..../sigh
I can agree with this since I am a jaded gamer as well. I gave up on MMOs about 2 years ago and it wasn't until I saw something about this game that I started to have a glimmer of hope for MMOs in general. I am fairly certain this game will be a good game, and i am hoping it will be the game for me, but I am also cautiously optimistic overall about how I am viewing this game. I know that if I let myself get too hyped, then I will have wasted my money since no game could ever live up to my expectations. Hopefully this game is better than what I am hoping.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
When I see the footage I just think it looks like WoW with a new paint job, the graphics look like they could have been done in 2003. I know why they are going the cartoony art style because it wont age as badly as a realistic look, just everyone is doing it now and it has become stale. When I first saw SWG at E3 2002 (I think) it blew me away and it looked like Star Wars! When I see SWTOR I refuse to see Star Wars and I just think of the shitty Clone Wars or World of Warcraft.
Not only the looks but the Gameplay just plays like what WoW refined and made standard over the years and everyone else has tried to copy. To be honest, I was fed up of that many years ago and become angry at all the clones since. They were talking about story driven gameplay and how you wont be grinding ten rats, yet the gameplay just shows grind kill quests over and over. Even Jeff Gerstmann on GiantBomb said that he wont be playing it because when he was given a demo at E3, it just looked and played like WoW to him and he isn't interested in that type of game anymore.
Then there are just let downs like how space is 2D and on rails. i was hoping for a Battlefront like 3D space PVP or exploration like SWG had where you can seamlessly watch other people out of your ship with other people on the board. Also the character models haven't really changed all that much and they're the ugliest part of the game. The combat looks really slow and akward, Bioware have never made a game with a good combat system, always have massive flaws. I'm afraid with WoW getting combat down so well, if Bioware don't do the same then they will not compete.
I've gotten older now since Star Wars Galaxies was released and I've been disappointed by so many games, MMOs in particular. There hasn't been a good one since WoW launched in 2004 and even that was ruined thanx to the dumbing down of an already easy game. I just wish I could get excited for SWTOR and I really want to try but the more I see, the more I realise it is just going to be like any other MMO but with more Age of Conan slapped on. For me story isn't the good part of an MMO, it just means there's less replay value and you cannot impact the world. The best part of MMOs is when the players create the story and have an impact on the world like what happens in EVE.
I hope I'm wrong, I just don't think I will be.
I was an SWG vet as well, but I understand this game isn't going to be SWG 2 in graphics or gameplay. Obviously, artstyle/graphics is taste thing. I think as of now they look pretty good, graphically at least. Artstyle coulda been toned down a bit but it's nothing I would let affect my decision to play. I think you are a little overzealous in not wanting to see SW in the game's style. It has lightsabers, stormtroopers, etc. and realistically, the graphics allow for the game to be marketed at a broader audience not just age wise, but also hardware wise.
As for the gameplay, once again this is not SWG (clearly). It is not a sandbox, it is a themepark MMO. The mechanics and gameplay aren't going to vary too far off from the industry standard. You'll often hear people say "When you play a FPS, do expect to be toting around guns from a shooters perspective killing dudes?" It comes with the genre. It is not a hack and slash action/adventure game, it is not Jedi Academy... it's a themepark MMO. You're going to be using hotkeys for abilities and taking on quests that usually involve killing a certain number of mobs. Comes with the territory.
Now the third paragraph I can get behind. I was hoping for a more fleshed out space game, similar to SWG's. Instead we got a cheap on-rails shooter. Hopefully they'll expand upon it later after release. If not, I can only see myself doing it as a change of pace every now and then and not really playing it seriously. Thankfully, it is not essential to progression or anything on the ground game so it is not required. Also agree that the character models aren't to my particular tastes. They're alright and have gotten better overtime but I've accepted they are going with the stylized design and that's that. As for animations and such, those have never been Bioware's strong points. Combatwise, this is an MMO through and through. As for Bioware's other games, ME and ME2 were the only games that I somewhat enjoyed the combat in. KOTOR, DA:O, and DA2 all sucked combatwise. Only played through KOTOR and DA:O for the story.
I recommend sticking with EVE while you wait for a good sandbox to come out. Clearly you aren't open to the full market of MMOs and strongly prefer the sandbox type. I don't think from your perspective you'll be wrong about the game. If I don't like a particular food, no need for me to keep trying to eat it. You sound like you enjoy SW, but don't like Bioware games or themepark MMOs, so 2/3 of the equation not being to your liking doesn't increase the odds that you'll enjoy this game. If I were you, I'd just wait till the free trial.
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Your welcome to read the site, I won't. They have lost credibility for me now with three different people on three different games that write opinion peice "reviews" and yet have never played the games in question. (BTW, 2 of those games I had no interest in so you can drop the fanboy crap) Like I said before, if this guy worked for me he would have been fired after writing that peice. Lousy reporting is just that. If I send someone to a show like E3 I expect that to come back with player experience, not gut feelings after REFUSING to play a game. Oh and if he works on commission, he would have been going hungry that week.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
They're not reviews. If they haven't played it, it's not a review. You can stop calling it 'reviews' in quotes, because that suggests they were calling it a review, and you are exposing them for the fraudulent fakers they are.
You'll probably feel a little more at peace with the world if you come to grips with the difference between a review and an opinionated rant on aesthetics.
Though it's very nice of you to look out for other people, since so far as I can tell your complaint at this point in time is that you're mad that he's wasting somebody else's money.
To me now. That post doesn't really tell me anything about the game itself expect for how it looks when you look at the game and his opinion on it. It's about as important as anyones elses opinion on the game.
It just no longer matters. THe only way it gets weight to it's article is if the person plays the game. If they don't, well they are entitle to their opinion and i won't fault him for it as long as it stays in the realm of...it looks like. If he starts on this will be a bad feature or won't work well in this game, then i need him to have played the game for a decent amount of time to be sure.
As it stands now. It's his opinion after watching the game so its about on forum poster level maybe a tad higher. Still it doesn't really say anything about how the game plays or how it feels to play it. Which to me is the biggest part.
I'm mostly on the throw it in with the rest pile of feelings towards this game.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
By blogging on a gaming website, a certain level of credibility is given to the bloggers word over the average persons. Just like ANY reporter really. This person let his personal feeling get in the way of his professional duty as a "reporter" when he refused to play the game and give a report based on that play. The website itself is also at fault for allowing this type of behavior and has to be held accountable since they published his garbage peice. So now the bloggers name AND the website are on my "Banned" list. I simple will not view their material anymore. It's too bad really, because I used to visit this site everyday or pretty close to it. Now I can't trust them and so I won't let my "hit" be a feather in their hat when they are trying to get advertisers.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
People need to stop treating EVERY NEW MMO like a god send and then crying after they are released. Look at this from a developer and business stand point. Less you are fairly certain and have some substantial backing in your reasoning, why take liberties that could harm or do worse for generating a profit. Yes it's been said a million times, WoW clone and all that horse spit. But honestly if you were running a business, are you going to give people what they want or give people what you like.
ToR is not going to be vastly different from other MMO's. What truly is going to draw in people is the simple fact that it'ss another Star Wars MMO.
For example, instead of people to just eating at Mcdonalds(SWG) all the time for a burger fix(only Star Wars MMO on the market at this time), why not give people some variety and allow them to eat at possibly Burger King or Wendy's(ToR). Just because they are two different places with there own menus(different titles, different gameplay setups, etc), doesn't mean they are still not going to serve you the same general selection of food(missions, leveling, classes, etc).
When did you start playing "old school" MMO's. World Of Warcraft?
Very good points all around Erstok.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
Tor does not really impress me from the outside looking in but im not a real big SW fan either and playing SWG early on left a bad impression of the mmo versions of the star wars universe...
If given the chance to try TOR i most certainly will but it would have to be a great game outside of the fact that it is a "STAR WARS" game to impress me and convince me to buy it as i am really not a fan of any movie series no matter how great being turned into mmo games that generally cant even begin to capture the imagination or excitement factor of the movies that game devs so often fail to emulate using an outdated combat and class system...
These days i am a pretty jaded gamer and when it comes to buying mmo games these days my wallet has become a well gaurded fortress and i try many but buy few, however i try to respect the young fanbois of any titles and their unjaded and excited optimism afterall i was once unjaded and often over optimistic and it eventually leads to jaded on its own..
Only 2 mmo games have me seriously intrigued at the moment and this may be an all time low for me as i am currently playing no mmo but i am enjoying the nostalgic goodness of duke nukem forever, now if an mmo could bring that back..../sigh
Playing GW2..
I can agree with this since I am a jaded gamer as well. I gave up on MMOs about 2 years ago and it wasn't until I saw something about this game that I started to have a glimmer of hope for MMOs in general. I am fairly certain this game will be a good game, and i am hoping it will be the game for me, but I am also cautiously optimistic overall about how I am viewing this game. I know that if I let myself get too hyped, then I will have wasted my money since no game could ever live up to my expectations. Hopefully this game is better than what I am hoping.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
I was an SWG vet as well, but I understand this game isn't going to be SWG 2 in graphics or gameplay. Obviously, artstyle/graphics is taste thing. I think as of now they look pretty good, graphically at least. Artstyle coulda been toned down a bit but it's nothing I would let affect my decision to play. I think you are a little overzealous in not wanting to see SW in the game's style. It has lightsabers, stormtroopers, etc. and realistically, the graphics allow for the game to be marketed at a broader audience not just age wise, but also hardware wise.
As for the gameplay, once again this is not SWG (clearly). It is not a sandbox, it is a themepark MMO. The mechanics and gameplay aren't going to vary too far off from the industry standard. You'll often hear people say "When you play a FPS, do expect to be toting around guns from a shooters perspective killing dudes?" It comes with the genre. It is not a hack and slash action/adventure game, it is not Jedi Academy... it's a themepark MMO. You're going to be using hotkeys for abilities and taking on quests that usually involve killing a certain number of mobs. Comes with the territory.
Now the third paragraph I can get behind. I was hoping for a more fleshed out space game, similar to SWG's. Instead we got a cheap on-rails shooter. Hopefully they'll expand upon it later after release. If not, I can only see myself doing it as a change of pace every now and then and not really playing it seriously. Thankfully, it is not essential to progression or anything on the ground game so it is not required. Also agree that the character models aren't to my particular tastes. They're alright and have gotten better overtime but I've accepted they are going with the stylized design and that's that. As for animations and such, those have never been Bioware's strong points. Combatwise, this is an MMO through and through. As for Bioware's other games, ME and ME2 were the only games that I somewhat enjoyed the combat in. KOTOR, DA:O, and DA2 all sucked combatwise. Only played through KOTOR and DA:O for the story.
I recommend sticking with EVE while you wait for a good sandbox to come out. Clearly you aren't open to the full market of MMOs and strongly prefer the sandbox type. I don't think from your perspective you'll be wrong about the game. If I don't like a particular food, no need for me to keep trying to eat it. You sound like you enjoy SW, but don't like Bioware games or themepark MMOs, so 2/3 of the equation not being to your liking doesn't increase the odds that you'll enjoy this game. If I were you, I'd just wait till the free trial.
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