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TSW - The Best Animations & Combat.

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  • golightgolight Member Posts: 104
    Originally posted by lathaan

    whats all this spooky 'video-compares'? Will i play a video? I played TSW and GW2 (if you want to compare those) - and TSW animations are crap. they are bad, you know? Thats no 'art-style' or 'taste' thing. thats: do people really slide over the floor and look pathetic when sidestepping? GW2 animations are not very good too - far better than TSW's tho. The art direction of both games is great - imo (taste!!) GW2 looks better, feels better.

     

    And then: GW2 is the better game (for me). by far.

    All this is based on actual PLAYING. you go on and watch your videos while you start useless threads.

     

     

    Exactly my feeling. Played both GW2 and TSW. I love the setting for TSW but the animations are one of the worst I've seen in a recent MMO - if anything would put me off in TSW it's the animations. GW2 while not perfect is superior in graphics and animations. Doesn't mean you can't play both, two very different games and probably a good combination to play at the same time.

    I like both, but TSW needs more improvment and work than GW2 does at this stage,which is a worry as the TSW release date isn't that far off. Lots of weird litte bugs.

     

    Play: -
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  • niceguy3978niceguy3978 Member UncommonPosts: 2,051
    Originally posted by colddog04
    Originally posted by niceguy3978
    Originally posted by colddog04
    Originally posted by cooper85
    Originally posted by colddog04
    Originally posted by cooper85
    Originally posted by Kuppa
    This reminds me of politics, when you have an agenda you always follow your talking points. Are you in politics cooper? ;)

    No I'm into far play ;) I always stuck up for the little guy against the bully ;)

    So you view Funcom as the little guy and ArenaNet as the big mean bully?

     

    And that's why you are acting like this?

    No I don't really view Anet as more than a name. It's FC vs NCsoft/Nexom.

    That's funny because EA is publishing The Secret World and NC Soft is publishing GW2.

     

    Here is an article on this site that talks about it a bit:

    http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/404/feature/5303/The-Secret-World-EA-and-Funcom-What.html

    Difference is that while NCSOFT is publishing the game, they also own Anet.  

    I still find it amusing that he views Funcom as the little guys that are getting bullied by EA published Funcom.

    I tend to agree, though I think that who is publishing is irrelevant, because for the purpose of development it is the owners that have the pockets, not the publisher.  But, on the other hand Funcom is a publicly traded corporation and I have a hard time viewing any corporation as an underdog in anything.

  • GajariGajari Member Posts: 984

    TSW is genuinely one of the worst animated MMO's of recent memory. The combat is pretty standard, however.

  • DfixDfix Member UncommonPosts: 238
    Originally posted by Sameer1979
    Originally posted by Dfix
    Originally posted by Sameer1979
    Originally posted by Mmotosher
    Originally posted by cooper85
    Originally posted by Kuppa
    This reminds me of politics, when you have an agenda you always follow your talking points. Are you in politics cooper? ;)

    No I'm into far play ;) I always stuck up for the little guy against the bully ;)

     

    Thats Coop cooper just keep it up. I do find it funny how some posters who historically only post in a certain game suddenly posts here whith comments that clearly show they not Even in beta ;)

    I mostly see GW2 fans upto their usual antics. After Tera and SWTOR, TSW is their new play ground. I just hope GW2 releases already.

    When all the other games fanbois fling shit what do you expect to happen?

    Very mature.... 'my game is better than yours' arguments are for kids not grown ups. Two wrongs doesn't make one right. 


    This whole god damn thread is about whos game is better. So I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. I just think the attitude of people starting shit with GW2 fans is funny. Especially when your game has EAs name on it.

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  • niceguy3978niceguy3978 Member UncommonPosts: 2,051
    Originally posted by Dfix
    Originally posted by Sameer1979
    Originally posted by Dfix
    Originally posted by Sameer1979
    Originally posted by Mmotosher
    Originally posted by cooper85
    Originally posted by Kuppa
    This reminds me of politics, when you have an agenda you always follow your talking points. Are you in politics cooper? ;)

    No I'm into far play ;) I always stuck up for the little guy against the bully ;)

     

    Thats Coop cooper just keep it up. I do find it funny how some posters who historically only post in a certain game suddenly posts here whith comments that clearly show they not Even in beta ;)

    I mostly see GW2 fans upto their usual antics. After Tera and SWTOR, TSW is their new play ground. I just hope GW2 releases already.

    When all the other games fanbois fling shit what do you expect to happen?

    Very mature.... 'my game is better than yours' arguments are for kids not grown ups. Two wrongs doesn't make one right. 


    This whole god damn thread is about whos game is better. So I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. I just think the attitude of people starting shit with GW2 fans is funny. Especially when your game has EAs name on it.

    I guess it just depends on who you think is worse, EA or NCSOFT?  Both companies have those that despise them.  The only real difference is that NCSOFT owns everything associated with GW2, and EA is the publisher of TSW.  

  • DerpybirdDerpybird Member Posts: 991
    Originally posted by Mmotosher
    Originally posted by p_c_sousa 

    i play the beta before this one and i play like 5-6hours on the beta is online now. more than enough to see how combat system work. 

    combat is a personal taste but claim animations are the best when in fact are one of worse is something incredible to say.

    but everyone know OP and is post history ...

     

    Well yes he is a bit positive. But hey every game has a number 1 fanboi :) but not every game is for everyone.

    And how many posts has that number 1 fanboi made in the threads of a game that he hasn't even played?

    A lot of people don't like the combat. That doesn't mean they all have an agenda. But the again, a lot of people are fine with the combat and love the settings and the lore.

    In my opinion, a game should stand on its own.

    "Loading screens" are not "instances".
    Your personal efforts to troll any game will not, in fact, impact the success or failure of said game.

  • Sameer1979Sameer1979 Member Posts: 362
    Originally posted by Dfix
    Originally posted by Sameer1979
    Originally posted by Dfix
    Originally posted by Sameer1979
    Originally posted by Mmotosher
    Originally posted by cooper85
    Originally posted by Kuppa
    This reminds me of politics, when you have an agenda you always follow your talking points. Are you in politics cooper? ;)

    No I'm into far play ;) I always stuck up for the little guy against the bully ;)

     

    Thats Coop cooper just keep it up. I do find it funny how some posters who historically only post in a certain game suddenly posts here whith comments that clearly show they not Even in beta ;)

    I mostly see GW2 fans upto their usual antics. After Tera and SWTOR, TSW is their new play ground. I just hope GW2 releases already.

    When all the other games fanbois fling shit what do you expect to happen?

    Very mature.... 'my game is better than yours' arguments are for kids not grown ups. Two wrongs doesn't make one right. 


    This whole god damn thread is about whos game is better. So I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. I just think the attitude of people starting shit with GW2 fans is funny. Especially when your game has EAs name on it.

    My point of the post is that you are as bad as people you are pointing fingers at. Last time i checked EA didn't punch my babies. I play a game if it is fun regardless it is EA or Ncsoft (not that they are Angels of MMO industry).

  • GajariGajari Member Posts: 984
    Originally posted by Mmotosher
    Originally posted by Gajari

    TSW is genuinely one of the worst animated MMO's of recent memory. The combat is pretty standard, however.

     

    Could you specify what you mean by worst? Like in the video where is it the worst?

    The animations in the whole video are pretty stiff and weird in terms of combat, and the disconnected upperbody and lower body makes things look awkward. The general running around and stuff don't seem too bad.

    6:34 has a good example of terrible animation, right there. lol

  • RizelStarRizelStar Member UncommonPosts: 2,773
    Originally posted by Charlizzard
    Originally posted by Mmotosher
    Originally posted by p_c_sousa 

    i play the beta before this one and i play like 5-6hours on the beta is online now. more than enough to see how combat system work. 

    combat is a personal taste but claim animations are the best when in fact are one of worse is something incredible to say.

    but everyone know OP and is post history ...

     

    Well yes he is a bit positive. But hey every game has a number 1 fanboi :) but not every game is for everyone.

    And how many posts has that number 1 fanboi made in the threads of a game that he hasn't even played?

    Checkmate.

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  • VladamyreVladamyre Member UncommonPosts: 223

    After getting into TSW beta I found out just how clunky and terrible the combat system is. Its just flat out terrible, the animations suck, moving around is horrible too. The game is a pure clunker. Couldn't play this thing for more then a half hour before I logged off it and never looked back. The game concept is very nice, I do like where they are trying to go with this game, but it just needs to be put into a 2012 model, instead of a 1995 clunkfest. I don't think that I've ever played a game with movement being that shitty before.

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  • cooper85cooper85 Member Posts: 386
    Originally posted by RizelStar
    Originally posted by Charlizzard
    Originally posted by Mmotosher
    Originally posted by p_c_sousa 

    i play the beta before this one and i play like 5-6hours on the beta is online now. more than enough to see how combat system work. 

    combat is a personal taste but claim animations are the best when in fact are one of worse is something incredible to say.

    but everyone know OP and is post history ...

     

    Well yes he is a bit positive. But hey every game has a number 1 fanboi :) but not every game is for everyone.

    And how many posts has that number 1 fanboi made in the threads of a game that he hasn't even played?

    Checkmate.

     /sigh look at the guy you quoted... The same can be said for him and you. Except there is a lot of competition in the GW2 fanboi department. 

  • nationalcitynationalcity Member UncommonPosts: 501

    People need to start having there own minds and stop blindly following others just because someone else didn't like it doesn't mean you wont....

     

    So many drama-queens in this thread its unreal people saying its the worst movement and animations ever I mean pls....

    It's basically turned into my game is better then your game....

  • FredomSekerZFredomSekerZ Member Posts: 1,156
    Originally posted by Vladamyre

    After getting into TSW beta I found out just how clunky and terrible the combat system is. Its just flat out terrible, the animations suck, moving around is horrible too. The game is a pure clunker. Couldn't play this thing for more then a half hour before I logged off it and never looked back. The game concept is very nice, I do like where they are trying to go with this game, but it just needs to be put into a 2012 model, instead of a 1995 clunkfest. I don't think that I've ever played a game with movement being that shitty before.

    I'm starting to see a patern here.

    Anywa, why is everyone treating the animations and models like final. They already improved the lack of impact and sounds like everyone wanted. So, they fix what needed to be fixed, but not everything and it's not enough adn we treat like that's that. Look, i'm not saying FC will actually make it happen, but since the games hasn't launched yet, can we atleast wait to see what happens?

  • DfixDfix Member UncommonPosts: 238
    Originally posted by Sameer1979
    Originally posted by Dfix
    Originally posted by Sameer1979
    Originally posted by Dfix
    Originally posted by Sameer1979
    Originally posted by Mmotosher
    Originally posted by cooper85
    Originally posted by Kuppa
    This reminds me of politics, when you have an agenda you always follow your talking points. Are you in politics cooper? ;)

    No I'm into far play ;) I always stuck up for the little guy against the bully ;)

     

    Thats Coop cooper just keep it up. I do find it funny how some posters who historically only post in a certain game suddenly posts here whith comments that clearly show they not Even in beta ;)

    I mostly see GW2 fans upto their usual antics. After Tera and SWTOR, TSW is their new play ground. I just hope GW2 releases already.

    When all the other games fanbois fling shit what do you expect to happen?

    Very mature.... 'my game is better than yours' arguments are for kids not grown ups. Two wrongs doesn't make one right. 


    This whole god damn thread is about whos game is better. So I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. I just think the attitude of people starting shit with GW2 fans is funny. Especially when your game has EAs name on it.

    My point of the post is that you are as bad as people you are pointing fingers at. Last time i checked EA didn't punch my babies. I play a game if it is fun regardless it is EA or Ncsoft (not that they are Angels of MMO industry).


    I'm not finger pointing I'm simply saying when you start a thread like this you cannot expect there to not be a rebuttal. The OP has specifically made a challenge. People are just answering said challenge.

    I will leave it at this: simply put I think TSW has potential and when it comes to their UI (best I've seen in a long time) they got it right but character animations are horrendous, character models are ugly as hell and the game, being 3 weeks away from launch, has very little to be desired in my opinion. I personally play MMOs not only for the content but I like to be able to look at my character and not feel like I'm going to throw up. Just my personal taste.

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  • DJJazzyDJJazzy Member UncommonPosts: 2,053

    I'm not a fan of the combat and animations in TSW, which is one of the things that has turned me off of the game.

    And really I find it puzzling since it uses the same game engine as Age of Conan correct? AoC has some of the best animations I've seen in an mmo, and I love the combat there.

  • VladamyreVladamyre Member UncommonPosts: 223
    Originally posted by FredomSekerZ
    Originally posted by Vladamyre

    After getting into TSW beta I found out just how clunky and terrible the combat system is. Its just flat out terrible, the animations suck, moving around is horrible too. The game is a pure clunker. Couldn't play this thing for more then a half hour before I logged off it and never looked back. The game concept is very nice, I do like where they are trying to go with this game, but it just needs to be put into a 2012 model, instead of a 1995 clunkfest. I don't think that I've ever played a game with movement being that shitty before.

    I'm starting to see a patern here.

    Anywa, why is everyone treating the animations and models like final. They already improved the lack of impact and sounds like everyone wanted. So, they fix what needed to be fixed, but not everything and it's not enough adn we treat like that's that. Look, i'm not saying FC will actually make it happen, but since the games hasn't launched yet, can we atleast wait to see what happens?

    Pattern or no pattern when I play games I like the movement, animations, combat system to be smooth. I don't want any movement in games to feel like im trying to drive a car whith square wheels. The movement in this game is a big big, drawback. Too slow and clunky, just like the combat and other animations. Hell Dark Age of Camelot had better movement and combat animations in 2001, so there is no reason Funcom can't put a little money into this game and fix it up right.

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  • JackdogJackdog Member UncommonPosts: 6,321

    well all I will say is kudos to Funcom for allowing the beta weekend so that a lot of people will get a chance to try before buying. The big deciding factor for me not preordering was the aninmation/combat but those can be a matter of personal taste. Shame too since I like the skill wheel and game world settings.

    I miss DAoC

  • heartlessheartless Member UncommonPosts: 4,993
    Originally posted by GamerUntouch

    This is what the animations remind me of because it really works the same way.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hxuoEvOczX4#t=259s

    OMG LMAO! Yes, that is pretty accurate.

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  • IAmMMOIAmMMO Member UncommonPosts: 1,462

    It's time for Funcom to do a whole next engine to makes MMO's on. This old engine built upon since AO just doesn't do it for me. You can feel the quirts of the engine from AO to AOC and now TSW and I just hate it. The engine abilities is limited and brings the same old mechanics restrictions to the table for Funcom to build their MMO's on. TSW really didn't do it for me, good luck to those who do enjoy it though.

     
  • RizelStarRizelStar Member UncommonPosts: 2,773
    Originally posted by cooper85
    Originally posted by RizelStar
    Originally posted by Charlizzard
    Originally posted by Mmotosher
    Originally posted by p_c_sousa 

    i play the beta before this one and i play like 5-6hours on the beta is online now. more than enough to see how combat system work. 

    combat is a personal taste but claim animations are the best when in fact are one of worse is something incredible to say.

    but everyone know OP and is post history ...

     

    Well yes he is a bit positive. But hey every game has a number 1 fanboi :) but not every game is for everyone.

    And how many posts has that number 1 fanboi made in the threads of a game that he hasn't even played?

    Checkmate.

     /sigh look at the guy you quoted... The same can be said for him and you. Except there is a lot of competition in the GW2 fanboi department. 

    Nope, try again, I say that because few pages before this one TSW supporters where making statements as if  [you] the op literally don't be coming on GW 2 forum section talking ish and at that spewing out misinfo, badmouth it and didn't even play it. Though like they say it must be an age thing. I disagree btw because I'm 18 I'm pretty sure there are guys older than me lol.

    As for me other than games that haven't came out yet(meaning their betas) I played/tested about every game I talk about.

    I like to play and test games out before I shit talk em, and what's sad is I still don't shit talk em. So why might I be in TSW forums, personally TSW intrest me, playing it is quite fun, still not a strong hook on [me].

    I think in terms of best animations Tera wins that department, combat I don't know it's subjective, I can handle the visceral combat of GW 2 and the animation side of Tera, as well as controls.

    I do like how all three of the games mention are action.

    Also disclaimer I don't think it's right for GW 2 fans to do what the OP do, I don't hang on other games forums to correct them, I have corrected some in say SWTOR before, no one is perfect, I'm certaintly am not, but the two top games I hold intrest in is this one and GW 2 but, I'm more hooked on GW 2 than TSW, so I barely look  at TSW forums.

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  • p_c_sousap_c_sousa Member Posts: 620
    Originally posted by cooper85
    Originally posted by RizelStar
    Originally posted by Charlizzard
    Originally posted by Mmotosher
    Originally posted by p_c_sousa 

    i play the beta before this one and i play like 5-6hours on the beta is online now. more than enough to see how combat system work. 

    combat is a personal taste but claim animations are the best when in fact are one of worse is something incredible to say.

    but everyone know OP and is post history ...

     

    Well yes he is a bit positive. But hey every game has a number 1 fanboi :) but not every game is for everyone.

    And how many posts has that number 1 fanboi made in the threads of a game that he hasn't even played?

    Checkmate.

     /sigh look at the guy you quoted... The same can be said for him and you. Except there is a lot of competition in the GW2 fanboi department. 

    that guy you mean is me?? because if is, go check my post history and you can see i say lot of good things about many games. 

    yes, i post most on GW2 because is the game i like most.

    btw i only make post and comment on games i really play, i dont go to other game topic make non sense post (that clear show someone didnt play the game)  just to say something bad about the game.

    post mainly on a topic about a game you like is normal, what isnt normal is post mainly on topic about game you dont like.

     

  • BetaguyBetaguy Member UncommonPosts: 2,629

    There is nothing to dispel, I do not need video for proof. I have played it and formulated my own opinion with first hand knowledge. The animations and combat are lack luster and not very organic or fluid...it feels all disjointed. The clunky game I have felt in a long time.  I had great hopes for this title but it is not ready imo.

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  • felchawefelchawe Member Posts: 27

    will make it simple for you in overall comparesion between GW2 and TSW (pre ordered TSW and pre Purchased GW2)

    * GW2 BWE1 logged in played all weekend long was sad when it ended. Stress Test logged in skipped work the next day because   of it. BWE2 logged from start till end without even noticing time

    * TSW logged in for the first beta after 2 hours told myself ( am done playing this play station 2 game ( graphics animation mechanics everything Wise) ) uninstalled it and never looked back

    the thing is TSW is maybe a good game or a Bad game but i did not like it compareing it to GW2, you might do so are others, But it's not my cup of tea. one thing though don't compare it to GW2 like tera fan boys did on lunch and guess what we don't know were are they right now :). you enjoyed TSW good for you, play that and have fun but don't force you opinion cuz comes TSW release i will give you 2 months max and u will be the first to complain about it.

     

     

  • VhalnVhaln Member Posts: 3,159
    Originally posted by Nefera
    Originally posted by GamerUntouch

    You see the problem is what they did is really poorly decide how it's going to be animated.

     

    Attacking moves your arms while moving moves your legs.

    It looks completely unnatural.

     

    This. Also, there's no transition animations between moving and not moving. Essentially each time the character starts or stops moving, (especially) the upper body is defying laws of physics.

     

    I think this is the problem in all sorts of ways.  The animations look stiff and robotic, because it's as if the animator just didn't think about the physics at all.  When a person moves a heavy object, including their own body, the constant struggle against gravity is visible in the nuances of that movement.  When a robot moves an object, it simply does it, or it doesn't.  So when animation is done without taking the nuances of physics into account well enough, it tends to look robotic.  Artificial.  Not lifelike.  This is probably also why the combat lacks "impact."

     

    That is the difference I see between the two examples, anyway...

    When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.

  • LostarLostar Member UncommonPosts: 891

    GW2 has been on my radar for years but this is one of the videos that sold me:

     

    Being in Beta in both TSW and GW2 has given me the comfort of knowing my next 5 years (at the very least) of gaming will be great!  The video doesn't compare animations.  I felt that in GW2 they were very organic feeling and I got great feedback when I hit something hard.  Most of the abilities in GW2 had a sense of purpose that was easily detected compared to TSW where you have to dig deeper and THINK much more.  TSW is the thinking (wo)man's game and I appreciate that.  GW2 is the escapists dream and I appreciate that.  Animations of either of the games are done well enough to be a non issue.

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