Actually there are many corelations between the story of Hercules and Jesus. So many that many historians believe much like christmas the story of Jesus's life was lifted from the cult of hercules to help pagans convert.
Could you list these correlations? If the story of Jesus is based on so many different religions, then it would obviously have some disparities with these religions unless the religions themselves are exactly the same (in which case that might lead us to assume that all of these religions originated from a single source of belief at one point in time).
and Islam which are 4th generation perversions derived from older Cults worshipped by different names in different places but all the parrables and lessons were the same.
You mean to say that Christianity developed in 300+ AD from other cults or was simply influenced during that time by other religions?
What hasn't changed is what these religions teach and stress. Control. Be a good little follower and you shall be rewarded when your dead.
Why would anyone want to control someone by using Christianity? For the most part, it seems like it was a nuissance to those in rule trying to force their supposed gods upon the Christian Jews - so much so that Christians were sometimes tortured and killed if they didn't renounce their faith.
Half of the old testaments wisdom comes directly from Egyptian occult teaching. Take proverbs for example. The whole book is word for word egyptian teachings.
Is similar to or comes from? Could you give me some examples over my weekend away from the net so that I can peruse them when I return (and sources)? If you're citing from that Egyptian proverbial document (I forget the name), then I think I've still got it in my email account.
Half of the Old Testament's wisdom? What do you consider to be wisdom in the Old Testament and how does it relate to others' teachings (specifically Egyptian)? I think it might've been you that linked me to that Egyptian article on the net that one time. I skimmed through it and noticed some similarities, but I didn't spend a lot of time on it. I'll try to go over it again, though, if you want.
Well, got to go again.
"Put your foot where your mouth is." - Wisdom from my grandfather "Paper or plastic? ... because I'm afraid I'll have to suffocate you unless you put this bag on your head..." - Ethnitrek AC1: Wierding from Harvestgain
I just had a thought... Seeing as how theres such a wide argument that Christians are less likely to do wrong than non-Christians are... I'd like to see an official nonbiased study on select prisons (preferably max security), and poll inmates as to their religious preference. Because until I see some good evidence that this is true its just a bunch of made up bullshit. If such a study has been done I'd love to see a link from somebody
Originally posted by modjoe86 Originally posted by LilithIshtar You all do realize that...
Just because there are "documents" and "bibles/books" saying Jesus did exsist..
Doesn't mean he actualy did.
It so EASY to lie when it comes to writting something.
It isn't good enough proof.
^^
And I don't think there ever was a Jesus either myself. I think some old guy wanted attintion and to be praised by all, so he wrote up some crap ( the bible ) and look, people believe it! ( Btw, you can eat me if you disagree. I don't care what you think. ^^ )
I agree in the Bible's fallacy, but I'll have to disagree with you about an old man writing the whole thing, as this has been proven time and time again. The Bible has many many author's. one of which may be an attention whore old man.
Umm, did you know that every single archeological find has either supported the fact that Jesus in fact did live or just said nothing regarding Jesus at all. Not a single one has disproven his existence. Yes it is easy to lie, but the Bible agrees with history. Also, although the Bible has been written by many authors, they all were inspired by the Holy Spirit to write it.
I love sounding like a spiritual nutjob, because all of us Christians really are. Doesn't mean we don't believe to the death in God and we aren't able to back up our faith.
Oh yeah, I want one lilith, slightly rare, with a side order of fries, extra ownage sauce.
Originally posted by Slayerexpert Originally posted by modjoe86 Originally posted by LilithIshtar You all do realize that...
Just because there are "documents" and "bibles/books" saying Jesus did exsist..
Doesn't mean he actualy did.
It so EASY to lie when it comes to writting something.
It isn't good enough proof.
^^
And I don't think there ever was a Jesus either myself. I think some old guy wanted attintion and to be praised by all, so he wrote up some crap ( the bible ) and look, people believe it! ( Btw, you can eat me if you disagree. I don't care what you think. ^^ )
I agree in the Bible's fallacy, but I'll have to disagree with you about an old man writing the whole thing, as this has been proven time and time again. The Bible has many many author's. one of which may be an attention whore old man.
Umm, did you know that every single archeological find has either supported the fact that Jesus in fact did live or just said nothing regarding Jesus at all. Not a single one has disproven his existence. Yes it is easy to lie, but the Bible agrees with history. Also, although the Bible has been written by many authors, they all were inspired by the Holy Spirit to write it.
I love sounding like a spiritual nutjob, because all of us Christians really are. Doesn't mean we don't believe to the death in God and we aren't able to back up our faith.
Oh yeah, I want one lilith, slightly rare, with a side order of fries, extra ownage sauce.
How could an archeological find possibly disprove the existance of someone? Would we find a stone tablet saying "oh hey guys 2000 years in the future, the guy you worship didn't exist. This mystery tablet from the past will self destruct in 5 seconds". I mean... C'mon... CMONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN.
I love how aggressive atheists try to get Christians to prove their faith. Faith is a belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.
I've noticed people referring to "The Bible" as their source material, stating how christians cannot even agree on their own religon... Well the problem there is that there are several different versions of The Bible to correlate with several different christian faiths.
Many christian religions only agree on one thing, that Jesus was the saviour.
I'm a Catholic, my wifes family are Church of Christ. The differences in the details of the two faiths are very defined and noticable... (for example) We had pre-marital counseling from a preacher in her faith, after we wed he gave us a follow up at my house, the guy sat there and told me that I was not saved because in catholic baptism you are sprinkled and that is not the proper way to be baptized, you must be immersed in water to be saved...needless to say we have never had counseling from him again.
Many branches of christianity were created by kings who disagreed with one aspect of their former religion. The Church of England as is my understanding was created because a king wanted a divorce from his wife and Catholicism would not allow for that at that time.
So I guess my point is your (at least the atheists in this forum) generalizations of my faith are insulting and you can kiss my butt.
on a side note I recently saw a program on discovery channel where all these scientists proved the plagues and miracles during The Exodus happened, using the geological record around the Mediterranean. Pretty interesting stuff. Science proves Gods existence everyday, to me at least, since God is in all things the presence of the universe is all I need.
Originally posted by Theutus I love how aggressive atheists try to get Christians to prove their faith. Faith is a belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. I've noticed people referring to "The Bible" as their source material, stating how christians cannot even agree on their own religon... Well the problem there is that there are several different versions of The Bible to correlate with several different christian faiths. Many christian religions only agree on one thing, that Jesus was the saviour. I'm a Catholic, my wifes family are Church of Christ. The differences in the details of the two faiths are very defined and noticable... (for example) We had pre-marital counseling from a preacher in her faith, after we wed he gave us a follow up at my house, the guy sat there and told me that I was not saved because in catholic baptism you are sprinkled and that is not the proper way to be baptized, you must be immersed in water to be saved...needless to say we have never had counseling from him again. Many branches of christianity were created by kings who disagreed with one aspect of their former religion. The Church of England as is my understanding was created because a king wanted a divorce from his wife and Catholicism would not allow for that at that time. So I guess my point is your (at least the atheists in this forum) generalizations of my faith are insulting and you can kiss my butt. on a side note I recently saw a program on discovery channel where all these scientists proved the plagues and miracles during The Exodus happened, using the geological record around the Mediterranean. Pretty interesting stuff. Science proves Gods existence everyday, to me at least, since God is in all things the presence of the universe is all I need.
So you admit that a certain denomination damned you to hell, then called out atheists for seeing the folly in that. To each his own I guess...
If Jesus were alive today he'd be in a nut-house for talking to god.
He is with out a doubt, the worse thing that ever happened to mankind. He came said he is the son of god and never left any proof. This action forced two millennia of argument. Same with Mohamed no proof has been left to prove they are who they said they were.
The sad thing is the faithless use Jesus to prove faith (paradox I know but…) and this shows how weak they really are. I find most people that believe in this shit are petty and mindless but above all plan old dumb.
Originally posted by viadi If Jesus were alive today he'd be in a nut-house for talking to god.
He is with out a doubt, the worse thing that ever happened to mankind. He came said he is the son of god and never left any proof. This action forced two millennia of argument. Same with Mohamed no proof has been left to prove they are who they said they were.
The sad thing is the faithless use Jesus to prove faith (paradox I know but…) and this shows how weak they really are. I find most people that believe in this shit are petty and mindless but above all plan old dumb.
Debate or no, the religion that follows him is primarily responsible for the western society as it is today. Whether or not you consider that fact to be a good thing, it certainly is more peacefull than if say the Aztecs grew powerfull enough to pull what the Europeans did, and they were close to being able to reach that hurdle when Cortez came.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. Hemingway
Originally posted by Aelfinn Originally posted by viadi If Jesus were alive today he'd be in a nut-house for talking to god.
He is with out a doubt, the worse thing that ever happened to mankind. He came said he is the son of god and never left any proof. This action forced two millennia of argument. Same with Mohamed no proof has been left to prove they are who they said they were.
The sad thing is the faithless use Jesus to prove faith (paradox I know but…) and this shows how weak they really are. I find most people that believe in this shit are petty and mindless but above all plan old dumb.
Debate or no, the religion that follows him is primarily responsible for the western society as it is today. Whether or not you consider that fact to be a good thing, it certainly is more peacefull than if say the Aztecs grew powerfull enough to pull what the Europeans did, and they were close to being able to reach that hurdle when Cortez came. im sorry but no its not. it may have been born in a cristian state but its not a product of it. had the religion had its say the world would still be flat and the sun would still be moving around us. it was people the had the foresight to think outside the box that slowley made the west what it is today.
Originally posted by viadi Originally posted by Aelfinn Debate or no, the religion that follows him is primarily responsible for the western society as it is today. Whether or not you consider that fact to be a good thing, it certainly is more peacefull than if say the Aztecs grew powerfull enough to pull what the Europeans did, and they were close to being able to reach that hurdle when Cortez came.
im sorry but no its not. it may have been born in a cristian state but its not a product of it. had the religion had its say the world would still be flat and the sun would still be moving around us. it was people the had the foresight to think outside the box that slowley made the west what it is today.
Having influence on a culture does not necessarily mean you get what you want. Christian influnce (loosely) held the European countries together, partly because the church could excommunicate any nations that got out of line. Excommunication was a powerfull tool back then. It also gave the Europeans a powerfull reason/excuse to make forays into the unkown parts of the world.
And, probably the biggest reason the US is like it is today, is it became the refuge for those wishing to practive their own religion, away from the damning influence of the all powerful Catholic Church.
Once again, a group's influence on the rest of the world does not necessarily reflect its goals. Hitler and the Nazis are probably the perfect example of this. Prior to WWII, hating and discriminating against Jews was accepted and encouraged the world over. Along comes the so called third Riech, and they take things several steps too far. All of a sudden, anti-semitism is associated with the enemy, a thing to be reviled.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. Hemingway
Originally posted by Aelfinn Originally posted by viadi Originally posted by Aelfinn Debate or no, the religion that follows him is primarily responsible for the western society as it is today. Whether or not you consider that fact to be a good thing, it certainly is more peacefull than if say the Aztecs grew powerfull enough to pull what the Europeans did, and they were close to being able to reach that hurdle when Cortez came.
im sorry but no its not. it may have been born in a cristian state but its not a product of it. had the religion had its say the world would still be flat and the sun would still be moving around us. it was people the had the foresight to think outside the box that slowley made the west what it is today.
Having influence on a culture does not necessarily mean you get what you want. Christian influnce (loosely) held the European countries together, partly because the church could excommunicate any nations that got out of line. Excommunication was a powerfull tool back then. It also gave the Europeans a powerfull reason/excuse to make forays into the unkown parts of the world.
And, probably the biggest reason the US is like it is today, is it became the refuge for those wishing to practive their own religion, away from the damning influence of the all powerful Catholic Church.
Once again, a group's influence on the rest of the world does not necessarily reflect its goals. Hitler and the Nazis are probably the perfect example of this. Prior to WWII, hating and discriminating against Jews was accepted and encouraged the world over. Along comes the so called third Riech, and they take things several steps too far. All of a sudden, anti-semitism is associated with the enemy, a thing to be reviled.
We are free today in spite of religion and not because of it. Henry VIII broke away from the Roman Catholic Church and set up the Church of England. It’s a more tolerant then Catholics he did that for his own selfish reasons. (He wanted to remarry) In doing so he sewed the seeds of our modern world. It was him being a pioneer that influenced what later happened in America. The bottom line being the human sprit should never be crushed by a religion and will always fight to attain freedom from religious oppression.
Our whole way of life was an evolution from religion. That religion has always tried to keep power by using god/Jesus as a tool to beat us over the head with. It been a long hard fight and we still have a way to go but one day we will be free of oppressive religion
as for your point about the Nazis it proves my point more than yours if you think about it they tried to take over the world and push there point of view on free people (including there religion) it was for that reason alone that we fought them and anti Semitism had little or nothing to do with it. (It was an after thought) infact even today outside of Israel USA and UK anti Jewish sentiment is rith and accepted.
Originally posted by viadi We are free today in spite of religion and not because of it. Henry VIII broke away from the Roman Catholic Church and set up the Church of England. It’s a more tolerant then Catholics he did that for his own selfish reasons. (He wanted to remarry) In doing so he sewed the seeds of our modern world. It was him being a pioneer that influenced what later happened in America. The bottom line being the human sprit should never be crushed by a religion and will always fight to attain freedom from religious oppression.
Our whole way of life was an evolution from religion. That religion has always tried to keep power by using god/Jesus as a tool to beat us over the head with. It been a long hard fight and we still have a way to go but one day we will be free of oppressive religion
as for your point about the Nazis it proves my point more than yours if you think about it they tried to take over the world and push there point of view on free people (including there religion) it was for that reason alone that we fought them and anti Semitism had little or nothing to do with it. (It was an after thought) infact even today outside of Israel USA and UK anti Jewish sentiment is rith and accepted.
It seems you don't understand my point after all, I do not think the Christian religion intended for most of the changes it caused, nor would have necesarily wanted what things have become. It still is a major factor
A decision made because a group opposes you IS an influence on the other group
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. Hemingway
Scrolling down the 2 pages of filth I did notice alot of smug posts from morally uptight religious folk.
Here is a tip, fellow Athiests and people that have Faith, leave eachother the fuck alone and perhaps you will be decent human beings, because if you want to shove your shit (Athiesm or Religious) up peoples arses, shove it up your own.
I am an Athiest, I don't spread my views, but if you spread yours into my space, I will do the same to you. And although it is easier to believe in lies, factual information doesn't change.
Originally posted by Draenor I feel genuinely sorry for Athiests...a life philosophy that tells you "your life is a chance occurance with no real meaning and when you die you are gone forever" I don't understand why anyone would want to subscribe to that, I can understand why an uneducated (but schooled) person would believe in evolution, but no belief in a God is something that I cannot fathom.
I feel sorry for people that need faith to live. I don't need to believe in a higher power or a life after death to lead a perfectly normal life, because I can accept it. Although being bothered daily by your type does make it unnecessarily drowsy.
Originally posted by Aelfinn Originally posted by viadi We are free today in spite of religion and not because of it. Henry VIII broke away from the Roman Catholic Church and set up the Church of England. It’s a more tolerant then Catholics he did that for his own selfish reasons. (He wanted to remarry) In doing so he sewed the seeds of our modern world. It was him being a pioneer that influenced what later happened in America. The bottom line being the human sprit should never be crushed by a religion and will always fight to attain freedom from religious oppression.
Our whole way of life was an evolution from religion. That religion has always tried to keep power by using god/Jesus as a tool to beat us over the head with. It been a long hard fight and we still have a way to go but one day we will be free of oppressive religion
as for your point about the Nazis it proves my point more than yours if you think about it they tried to take over the world and push there point of view on free people (including there religion) it was for that reason alone that we fought them and anti Semitism had little or nothing to do with it. (It was an after thought) infact even today outside of Israel USA and UK anti Jewish sentiment is rith and accepted.
It seems you don't understand my point after all, I do not think the Christian religion intended for most of the changes it caused, nor would have necesarily wanted what things have become. It still is a major factor
A decision made because a group opposes you IS an influence on the other group
i do understand what your saying i just dont agree (well not 100%) but i think over all we could agree on one thing religion is crap
Originally posted by Draenor I feel genuinely sorry for Athiests...a life philosophy that tells you "your life is a chance occurance with no real meaning and when you die you are gone forever" I don't understand why anyone would want to subscribe to that, I can understand why an uneducated (but schooled) person would believe in evolution, but no belief in a God is something that I cannot fathom.
i feel sorry for you. you think because i dont believe im lonley and thats just wrong. we that dont believe are truley free. almost all of us never judge anyone for anything and see everything for its own merits.
the truth of the matter is you lack faith you would rather believe insomething unbelivable than something you can touch "god" never hurts you does he?
Originally posted by Draenor I feel genuinely sorry for Athiests...a life philosophy that tells you "your life is a chance occurance with no real meaning and when you die you are gone forever" I don't understand why anyone would want to subscribe to that, I can understand why an uneducated (but schooled) person would believe in evolution, but no belief in a God is something that I cannot fathom.
I thought it was mostly uneducated people from small villages that did not believe in evolution and hence needs the comfort of God....
Originally posted by Infliction Okay I just posted this in another thread, and have been thinking about it... This is something that as far as I can tell is a completely original idea, and I'm sure this thread will turn into a complete flamefest, but... Here goes.
A novel about Jesus and his apostles being a troupe of conmen swindling people out of their money. Heres the idea. If any of you have ever read or researched any earlier Mythologies, Greek Roman etc. they have very striking resemblances to most if not all of the stories written in the bible.
So a simple carpenter meets a traveler one day. This traveler has been all around the world and has seen many things in his long life. He tells this carpenter (Jesus if you haven't figured it out yet) about the stories and religions of these distant lands he's seen. Our carpenter hero decides the simple life of a carpenter is not for him. He's always wanted to be a performer, see, but the life of a performer isn't always monetarily feasible. But these stories give him an idea. He works day and night for the next several months performing many tricks and illusions, to make himself seem to be... Not of this world, so to speak. Then, he crafts the stories he's been told into those of his own, and simplifies things. He thinks to himself "I'd seem much more important if I was the son of the only god, instead of one of a large handful of them".
Yada yada you get the point from here. It'd sure piss a ton of people off... Just a thought, and I've always kinda concidered trying my hand at writing, just never got around to it or had an original enough idea for it. Of course I'm sure no sane publisher would ever put out a book with this subject, but thats what the internet's for anyway.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanyway, ideas anyone? I'm seriously concidering writing this. Of course first I'd have to sit and read the bible cover to cover and take notes, then plot out an entire storyline, but this is a serious theory that I've had for awhile and if done right could make for a very interesting and controvercial read. I love controversy
and I suppose you think this conman would go to his own death by crucifiction rather than running away?
If you love controversy so much, become an ardent Catholic, protest abortion or something. There's nothing especially controversial about bashing or parodying religion nowadays, its the hip thing to do, and appeals to every idiot that wants to seem "rebelious" or "non-conformist". Regarding the "atheists perspective" of the life of Jesus Christ, its a topic which has been revisited by philosophers and theological scholars for the better part of the past 150 years. If you're going to be controversial, at least be original about it. This subject is just old and boring.
"Speaking haygywaygy or some other gibberish with your mum doesn't make you foreign." -baff
If Jesus were alive today he'd be in a nut-house for talking to god.
You know what praying is?
That's right, talking to God!
Last time I checked praying wasn't considered a mental illness worthy of psychiatric treatment.
He is with out a doubt, the worse thing that ever happened to mankind.
Anti-Christian sentiment at it's finest! Bravo!
He came said he is the son of god and never left any proof.
What kind of proof you want?
A big stone that says, "Jesus was here. Better recognize!"
This action forced two millennia of argument. Same with Mohamed no proof has been left to prove they are who they said they were.
The sad thing is the faithless use Jesus to prove faith (paradox I know but…) and this shows how weak they really are. I find most people that believe in this shit are petty and mindless but above all plan old dumb.
Oh inform us, enlightened one!
Originally posted by viadi im sorry but no its not. it may have been born in a cristian state but its not a product of it. had the religion had its say the world would still be flat and the sun would still be moving around us. it was people the had the foresight to think outside the box that slowley made the west what it is today.
The belief that the world was flat, the center of the cosmos, and the sun revolving around the earth, was never a Christian concept, but rather the Ptolemaic model adopted by the Church until the 16th century.
Your ignorance is shining.
"Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."
Originally posted by Aldaron Originally posted by viadi
If Jesus were alive today he'd be in a nut-house for talking to god. You know what praying is? That's right, talking to God! Last time I checked praying wasn't considered a mental illness worthy of psychiatric treatment.
He is with out a doubt, the worse thing that ever happened to mankind. Anti-Christian sentiment at it's finest! Bravo! He came said he is the son of god and never left any proof. What kind of proof you want? A big stone that says, "Jesus was here. Better recognize!" This action forced two millennia of argument. Same with Mohamed no proof has been left to prove they are who they said they were.
The sad thing is the faithless use Jesus to prove faith (paradox I know but…) and this shows how weak they really are. I find most people that believe in this shit are petty and mindless but above all plan old dumb. Oh inform us, enlightened one!
Originally posted by viadi im sorry but no its not. it may have been born in a cristian state but its not a product of it. had the religion had its say the world would still be flat and the sun would still be moving around us. it was people the had the foresight to think outside the box that slowley made the west what it is today.
The belief that the world was flat, the center of the cosmos, and the sun revolving around the earth, was never a Christian concept, but rather the Ptolemaic model adopted by the Church until the 16th century.
Seeing as how theres such a wide argument that Christians are less likely to do wrong than non-Christians are... I'd like to see an official nonbiased study on select prisons (preferably max security), and poll inmates as to their religious preference.
Well, Infliction, I'd bet that there would be quite a few Christians in jail. Christians aren't perfect, but that's not my point. I'd think that a lot of people in jail are looking for hope and peace of mind. Christianity offers hope and it offers forgiveness of the most hardened criminals. So it'd come to me as no surprise that people would be becoming Christians in jail and therefore there would be quite a few of them in prison. If you simply gathered the facts and stated, "Look! Christians are evil," (which is what the evidence would seem to show) then it would be a misrepresentation of the data - which is what I believe may be happening with the dating of the universe. In my opinion, we're all evil (I used the word lightly above) or at least have a sinful nature - Christian or not. Some people combat it more than others. All I'm saying is that Christians have a divine code by which they live which encourages them greater, perhaps, than any other person's individual morals can to combat this sinful nature. There can be selfless atheists just as there can be selfish Christians. But the former may prove to be rare. In fact, both in this age may prove to be rare.
"Put your foot where your mouth is." - Wisdom from my grandfather "Paper or plastic? ... because I'm afraid I'll have to suffocate you unless you put this bag on your head..." - Ethnitrek AC1: Wierding from Harvestgain
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Actually there are many corelations between the story of Hercules and Jesus. So many that many historians believe much like christmas the story of Jesus's life was lifted from the cult of hercules to help pagans convert.
Could you list these correlations? If the story of Jesus is based on so many different religions, then it would obviously have some disparities with these religions unless the religions themselves are exactly the same (in which case that might lead us to assume that all of these religions originated from a single source of belief at one point in time).
and Islam which are 4th generation perversions derived from older Cults worshipped by different names in different places but all the parrables and lessons were the same.
You mean to say that Christianity developed in 300+ AD from other cults or was simply influenced during that time by other religions?
What hasn't changed is what these religions teach and stress. Control. Be a good little follower and you shall be rewarded when your dead.
Why would anyone want to control someone by using Christianity? For the most part, it seems like it was a nuissance to those in rule trying to force their supposed gods upon the Christian Jews - so much so that Christians were sometimes tortured and killed if they didn't renounce their faith.
Half of the old testaments wisdom comes directly from Egyptian occult teaching. Take proverbs for example. The whole book is word for word egyptian teachings.
Is similar to or comes from? Could you give me some examples over my weekend away from the net so that I can peruse them when I return (and sources)? If you're citing from that Egyptian proverbial document (I forget the name), then I think I've still got it in my email account.
Half of the Old Testament's wisdom? What do you consider to be wisdom in the Old Testament and how does it relate to others' teachings (specifically Egyptian)? I think it might've been you that linked me to that Egyptian article on the net that one time. I skimmed through it and noticed some similarities, but I didn't spend a lot of time on it. I'll try to go over it again, though, if you want.
Well, got to go again.
"Put your foot where your mouth is." - Wisdom from my grandfather
"Paper or plastic? ... because I'm afraid I'll have to suffocate you unless you put this bag on your head..." - Ethnitrek
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Umm, did you know that every single archeological find has either supported the fact that Jesus in fact did live or just said nothing regarding Jesus at all. Not a single one has disproven his existence. Yes it is easy to lie, but the Bible agrees with history. Also, although the Bible has been written by many authors, they all were inspired by the Holy Spirit to write it.
I love sounding like a spiritual nutjob, because all of us Christians really are. Doesn't mean we don't believe to the death in God and we aren't able to back up our faith.
Oh yeah, I want one lilith, slightly rare, with a side order of fries, extra ownage sauce.
Umm, did you know that every single archeological find has either supported the fact that Jesus in fact did live or just said nothing regarding Jesus at all. Not a single one has disproven his existence. Yes it is easy to lie, but the Bible agrees with history. Also, although the Bible has been written by many authors, they all were inspired by the Holy Spirit to write it.
I love sounding like a spiritual nutjob, because all of us Christians really are. Doesn't mean we don't believe to the death in God and we aren't able to back up our faith.
Oh yeah, I want one lilith, slightly rare, with a side order of fries, extra ownage sauce.
How could an archeological find possibly disprove the existance of someone? Would we find a stone tablet saying "oh hey guys 2000 years in the future, the guy you worship didn't exist. This mystery tablet from the past will self destruct in 5 seconds". I mean... C'mon... CMONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN.
I blame the Jews
I love how aggressive atheists try to get Christians to prove their faith. Faith is a belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.
I've noticed people referring to "The Bible" as their source material, stating how christians cannot even agree on their own religon... Well the problem there is that there are several different versions of The Bible to correlate with several different christian faiths.
Many christian religions only agree on one thing, that Jesus was the saviour.
I'm a Catholic, my wifes family are Church of Christ. The differences in the details of the two faiths are very defined and noticable... (for example) We had pre-marital counseling from a preacher in her faith, after we wed he gave us a follow up at my house, the guy sat there and told me that I was not saved because in catholic baptism you are sprinkled and that is not the proper way to be baptized, you must be immersed in water to be saved...needless to say we have never had counseling from him again.
Many branches of christianity were created by kings who disagreed with one aspect of their former religion. The Church of England as is my understanding was created because a king wanted a divorce from his wife and Catholicism would not allow for that at that time.
So I guess my point is your (at least the atheists in this forum) generalizations of my faith are insulting and you can kiss my butt.
on a side note I recently saw a program on discovery channel where all these scientists proved the plagues and miracles during The Exodus happened, using the geological record around the Mediterranean. Pretty interesting stuff. Science proves Gods existence everyday, to me at least, since God is in all things the presence of the universe is all I need.
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If Jesus were alive today he'd be in a nut-house for talking to god.
He is with out a doubt, the worse thing that ever happened to mankind. He came said he is the son of god and never left any proof. This action forced two millennia of argument. Same with Mohamed no proof has been left to prove they are who they said they were.
The sad thing is the faithless use Jesus to prove faith (paradox I know but…) and this shows how weak they really are. I find most people that believe in this shit are petty and mindless but above all plan old dumb.
Tin Foil hats dont work.. its all a conspiracy
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
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im sorry but no its not. it may have been born in a cristian state but its not a product of it. had the religion had its say the world would still be flat and the sun would still be moving around us. it was people the had the foresight to think outside the box that slowley made the west what it is today.
Tin Foil hats dont work.. its all a conspiracy
Having influence on a culture does not necessarily mean you get what you want. Christian influnce (loosely) held the European countries together, partly because the church could excommunicate any nations that got out of line. Excommunication was a powerfull tool back then. It also gave the Europeans a powerfull reason/excuse to make forays into the unkown parts of the world.
And, probably the biggest reason the US is like it is today, is it became the refuge for those wishing to practive their own religion, away from the damning influence of the all powerful Catholic Church.
Once again, a group's influence on the rest of the world does not necessarily reflect its goals. Hitler and the Nazis are probably the perfect example of this. Prior to WWII, hating and discriminating against Jews was accepted and encouraged the world over. Along comes the so called third Riech, and they take things several steps too far. All of a sudden, anti-semitism is associated with the enemy, a thing to be reviled.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
Hemingway
Having influence on a culture does not necessarily mean you get what you want. Christian influnce (loosely) held the European countries together, partly because the church could excommunicate any nations that got out of line. Excommunication was a powerfull tool back then. It also gave the Europeans a powerfull reason/excuse to make forays into the unkown parts of the world.
And, probably the biggest reason the US is like it is today, is it became the refuge for those wishing to practive their own religion, away from the damning influence of the all powerful Catholic Church.
Once again, a group's influence on the rest of the world does not necessarily reflect its goals. Hitler and the Nazis are probably the perfect example of this. Prior to WWII, hating and discriminating against Jews was accepted and encouraged the world over. Along comes the so called third Riech, and they take things several steps too far. All of a sudden, anti-semitism is associated with the enemy, a thing to be reviled.
We are free today in spite of religion and not because of it. Henry VIII broke away from the Roman Catholic Church and set up the Church of England. It’s a more tolerant then Catholics he did that for his own selfish reasons. (He wanted to remarry) In doing so he sewed the seeds of our modern world. It was him being a pioneer that influenced what later happened in America. The bottom line being the human sprit should never be crushed by a religion and will always fight to attain freedom from religious oppression.
Our whole way of life was an evolution from religion. That religion has always tried to keep power by using god/Jesus as a tool to beat us over the head with. It been a long hard fight and we still have a way to go but one day we will be free of oppressive religion
as for your point about the Nazis it proves my point more than yours if you think about it they tried to take over the world and push there point of view on free people (including there religion) it was for that reason alone that we fought them and anti Semitism had little or nothing to do with it. (It was an after thought) infact even today outside of Israel USA and UK anti Jewish sentiment is rith and accepted.
Tin Foil hats dont work.. its all a conspiracy
It seems you don't understand my point after all, I do not think the Christian religion intended for most of the changes it caused, nor would have necesarily wanted what things have become. It still is a major factor
A decision made because a group opposes you IS an influence on the other group
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
Hemingway
Scrolling down the 2 pages of filth I did notice alot of smug posts from morally uptight religious folk.
Here is a tip, fellow Athiests and people that have Faith, leave eachother the fuck alone and perhaps you will be decent human beings, because if you want to shove your shit (Athiesm or Religious) up peoples arses, shove it up your own.
I am an Athiest, I don't spread my views, but if you spread yours into my space, I will do the same to you. And although it is easier to believe in lies, factual information doesn't change.
It seems you don't understand my point after all, I do not think the Christian religion intended for most of the changes it caused, nor would have necesarily wanted what things have become. It still is a major factor
A decision made because a group opposes you IS an influence on the other group
i do understand what your saying i just dont agree (well not 100%) but i think over all we could agree on one thing religion is crap
Tin Foil hats dont work.. its all a conspiracy
i feel sorry for you. you think because i dont believe im lonley and thats just wrong. we that dont believe are truley free. almost all of us never judge anyone for anything and see everything for its own merits.
the truth of the matter is you lack faith you would rather believe insomething unbelivable than something you can touch "god" never hurts you does he?
Tin Foil hats dont work.. its all a conspiracy
I thought it was mostly uneducated people from small villages that did not believe in evolution and hence needs the comfort of God....
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and I suppose you think this conman would go to his own death by crucifiction rather than running away?
If you love controversy so much, become an ardent Catholic, protest abortion or something. There's nothing especially controversial about bashing or parodying religion nowadays, its the hip thing to do, and appeals to every idiot that wants to seem "rebelious" or "non-conformist". Regarding the "atheists perspective" of the life of Jesus Christ, its a topic which has been revisited by philosophers and theological scholars for the better part of the past 150 years. If you're going to be controversial, at least be original about it. This subject is just old and boring.
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The belief that the world was flat, the center of the cosmos, and the sun revolving around the earth, was never a Christian concept, but rather the Ptolemaic model adopted by the Church until the 16th century.
Your ignorance is shining.
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Originally posted by viadi
im sorry but no its not. it may have been born in a cristian state but its not a product of it. had the religion had its say the world would still be flat and the sun would still be moving around us. it was people the had the foresight to think outside the box that slowley made the west what it is today.
The belief that the world was flat, the center of the cosmos, and the sun revolving around the earth, was never a Christian concept, but rather the Ptolemaic model adopted by the Church until the 16th century.
Your ignorance is shining.
So you are saying that he is right...?
Seeing as how theres such a wide argument that Christians are less likely to do wrong than non-Christians are... I'd like to see an official nonbiased study on select prisons (preferably max security), and poll inmates as to their religious preference.
Well, Infliction, I'd bet that there would be quite a few Christians in jail.
Christians aren't perfect, but that's not my point. I'd think that a lot of people in jail are looking for hope and peace of mind. Christianity offers hope and it offers forgiveness of the most hardened criminals. So it'd come to me as no surprise that people would be becoming Christians in jail and therefore there would be quite a few of them in prison. If you simply gathered the facts and stated, "Look! Christians are evil," (which is what the evidence would seem to show) then it would be a misrepresentation of the data - which is what I believe may be happening with the dating of the universe. In my opinion, we're all evil (I used the word lightly above) 
or at least have a sinful nature - Christian or not. Some people combat it more than others. All I'm saying is that Christians have a divine code by which they live which encourages them greater, perhaps, than any other person's individual morals can to combat this sinful nature. There can be selfless atheists just as there can be selfish Christians. But the former may prove to be rare. In fact, both in this age may prove to be rare.
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