AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Originally posted by miagisan
sorry but time and time again...people have said this game is fun past lvl XXX, and that never flies. Not saying it wont be fun, but to say you wont experience an open world till almost 3/4 of the levels through the game? I would have worded it VERY differently avery
Im just commenting on area's I saw with my own eyes at the community event. I didn't see the whole game.
Plus from past dev comments they have said it doesnt take long to level - BUT that doesnt mean you have explored all area's of the game for that level area your around, nor that area's for you level are scaled upwards in difficulty to the next segment and increase in size.
The game has a progressive rolling storyline. To be honest from what we have seen in quest updates there will be a very small amount of people who potentially might quit during noob island, I for one will be looking to play out the very intriguing destiny quest storyline started at the very beginning of the game.
Who you are, where your going, why your going is all teasingly put on you through most quests. In PvE this is the backbone of the game, I actually said you experience a more open world from level 20 onwards and then it progressively gets more intense from the look of it.
There is not much point to exploring if you dont know where your going or why and in AoC its pretty defined by a capivating storyline from quest dialogues I saw. And that was just a very small portion.
Weezer at the Warcry.com beta journal, puts noob island at like 12 hrs of play or something. Thats not alot considering people will prob have 20 days or so of Open beta. (guess)
EDIT* This game was designed from scratch to have the 1-20 experience they promote, its never been hidden and always been promoted. Anyone getting into the game and is worried that they might get bored is also the same type of person to research and know in advance what its going to be like.
I don't no lol..you figure it out how i know all this seriously don't take my word for it ..come back here on may 1st and tell me how you feel then..How hard do you think it is to find all this out about AOC lol..do you want me to provide you with a link or are you smart enough to use the google search engine..its not rocket science.
I could show you a site that has over 180 AOC beta leaks some as new as this morning seriously ,go do a bit of searching..I have actually been friendly in my description of AOC but alas ..don't take my word for it..
I want a link, or google search terms that will take me to the right place please
oh.. i found what your were probably talking about. hmm.
I will wait til its done, I think... I am looking forward to this and don't want to get too caught up in forum blather. Guess I am a judge it when I experience kind of person...
Hey Avery... arent you getting awfully close to breaking the beta NDA? Or are you not under such NDA? Can you only brake it if you say bad things about AoC or also when you promote it, as you do?
Just wondering
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Originally posted by MoLoK_
Hey Avery... arent you getting awfully close to breaking the beta NDA? Or are you not under such NDA? Can you only brake it if you say bad things about AoC or also when you promote it, as you do?
Just wondering
Everything that I write I promise is publically released information, at the community event we were not under NDA. (Stradden from mmorpg.com was there too) All the news links posted here over the past few months contain everything I've said. Although at the community event did get invited back up the next day without all the press and met the CEO and saw a few extra things, including a 3 hr discussion with half a dozen different devs.
Weezers beta journal up on Warcry.com goes along way to describe the first 20 levels on Tortage.
I promote the good stuff that gets released as a fan, and also comment as such on things that trouble me. Made a few honest threads the past 6 weeks too, where I share my concerns.
I have recently been told that the AoC Environment will not be totally free to roam around. I have heard that there will be a very straight/set path or something along those lines to follow. Is this a true statement?
I have to say that of all the things out there about AoC, the suggestion that you are seriously restricted in where you can go makes my heart sink. I will still play it... but this makes me sad.
I guess I will have to see how it is in reality... but a GW style approach would be such a total shame. Oh please tell me Funcom weren't that stupid.. ayayayay
There is not much point to exploring if you dont know where your going or why and in AoC its pretty defined by a capivating storyline from quest dialogues I saw. And that was just a very small portion.
while I am all for storyline, for me the greatest joy in an mmo is bumping into something surprising for the first time, especially if i decide to just wonder randomly for a while. I so hope there is some of this in AoC
I am surprised that so many people keep talking about games that have seemless worlds or landscapes. I even find it more funny that people thing Wow's world is seemless. IMO the one who started the seemless worlds was Asherons Call. I mean you could portal from place to place if you wanted but you could also run there, it might take you 2 hours but not one zone screen or pause just terrain as far as you could see. Just wanted to point that out, seeing how zoneing seems to always have a pause in most games, but AC didn't have that. If AOC has it I don't know if people will like that.
You jsut caught my thoughts! And how i loved that!
No, I'm not a troll I know some stuff, and I'm not fooling around, AoC is not as good as everyone thinks !
I really can't say anymore. I have my reasons I really really can't say .
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Originally posted by page
No, I'm not a troll I know some stuff, and I'm not fooling around, AoC is not as good as everyone thinks ! I really can't say anymore. I have my reasons I really really can't say .
Pure
I think your just upset because your not old enough to officially play the game.
Just over a month to go till open beta, how many more one liners without any facts to back it up?
read the rules for the forums here at mmorpg.com will you..
I can't say anymore because of the rules here, but I found out a lot of stuff today, And I'm not posting any more about this subject, i would like to see AoC as a good game now that Warhammer is delayed and maybe I will anyway, but as of the last few days I'm really not too sure of it !
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Originally posted by page
I can't say anymore because of the rules here, but I found out a lot of stuff today, And I'm not posting any more about this subject, i would like to see AoC as a good game now that Warhammer is delayed and maybe I will anyway, but as of the last few days I'm really not too sure of it !
The place where you get your info, make sure to fully read what was said. Then make sure you fully read about other games due to release there too.
But you know, experience is better than theory, so 33 days d/l open beta for yourself.
In a sense it's better when people know what they will face beforehand, acknowledge and accept it. EVE has a very steep learning curve. It helped me a lot to know what to expect, since I was more patient towards learning the ropes and putting the time to actually learn the game, instead of giving up at those critical first days. On the same boat, it helps to know how the game will play. Following the previous example, one could think that since EVE is space combat, it could play like Wing commander with a stick and a throttle. Sort of how people describe Jumpgate evolution plays like.
When people are aware of these issues, certain complains become invalid. One can complain that EVE has no joystick first person action but the game was not build with that in mind. In the same context, one can complain about the presence of zones as opposed to the lack of zone transition, however this was how the game was build to work. People who loath zoning of any kind should stay away from the game, because no matter how fast or slow the transition, the zoning transition will be there.
Having said that, the zones of the main world (I repeat, the main world) are big enough for players to gain 5 or more levels on the lower levels and even more on the higher levels. That amounts on hours of gameplay without transitions. I really have no way to describe them unless somebody is already familiar with how AO or EQ2 works. Never played DAoC or GW, so I can't make a meaningful comparison with those two games.
Bottom line, for those interested in this game, class balance in PvP, guild composition in a server (one alliance could potentially hold all the keeps for example) and generally post max level activities will be real concerns after release. Lack of zoning will not be since the people playing the game will have to accept this basic game functionality as an everyday reality. If they can't, they won't be playing the game anyway. I know people that don't play EVE because it has no real player avatars (yet), still, the game is doing fine regardless.
You know NDA's are really starting to eat at me. I have been in so many beta's and the only one that I recall never really had one and that was WoW. To many of these companies put up NDA's to cover up the fact that their game is only 65% done, is still buggy, and yes...to also cover up the game in general so that people do not learn the truth about the game until after they buy it. This is wrong on so many levels. Why? Because this kind of thing causes customers to not trust a game developer or publisher. The thing is FunCom of all companies really needs to remember their beginnings. The AO debacle almost sunk them. AoC...ugh!
Anyway. A game should be fun from the moment you start playing it. A poster mentioned in this thread that that is how AoC is. LOL! Isn't that breaking the NDA? If not..then why can't I freely discuss the game?
Why can't I talk about combat, about just the basic game mechanics? Surely if others can discuss the game as they do then surely so can we others.
Damn - flight delayed again. ::sigh::
Anyway...ticks me off. If a game company has so little faith in their product to not allow people to discuss it...then I feel they are delibrately trying to mislead those who are potential customers. Is FunCom doing this. I am sorry I am not at liberty to say. *&%$# NDA's
When you play the Open Beta in May, make sure you get off Noob Island before you judge the game on Environment limitations. Atleast up to around level 60, Zones are different to instances.
Erm..ok lol..i no people who have gone all the way to lvl 80 and in fact the game seems smaller and smaller the higher lvl you get. You can spout off differently but this is fact. So you are the only person who people should listen to..right? I know numerous people who are testing this game right now and they all say..great graphics..limited world over powerful classes..ie ranger and mob placement that leaves a lot to be desired.
Truth of the matter..you will love it or hate it plain and simple. Will AOC be the game everyone is expecting..no it will be something in between GW and your normal WOW type mmorpg.
So you are saying that people should pay there money ,level all the way to 60 then start to enjoy the game?..You will be playing WAR by the end of the year lol..i guarantee it.
PVP/RVR will not be anywhere near WAR standard and this i have heard and seen through numerous vids to be true.
All i say to people..DO NOT PRE-ORDER UNTIL YOU HAVE PLAYED OPEB BETA ON MAY 1ST..simple.
DDO anyone..lol
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Originally posted by anubisss
Originally posted by AmazingAvery
When you play the Open Beta in May, make sure you get off Noob Island before you judge the game on Environment limitations. Atleast up to around level 60, Zones are different to instances.
Erm..ok lol..i no people who have gone all the way to lvl 80 and in fact the game seems smaller and smaller the higher lvl you get. You can spout off differently but this is fact. So you are the only person who people should listen to..right? I know numerous people who are testing this game right now and they all say..great graphics..limited world over powerful classes..ie ranger and mob placement that leaves a lot to be desired.
Truth of the matter..you will love it or hate it plain and simple. Will AOC be the game everyone is expecting..no it will be something in between GW and your normal WOW type mmorpg.
So you are saying that people should pay there money ,level all the way to 60 then start to enjoy the game?..You will be playing WAR by the end of the year lol..i guarantee it.
PVP/RVR will not be anywhere near WAR standard and this i have heard and seen through numerous vids to be true.
All i say to people..DO NOT PRE-ORDER UNTIL YOU HAVE PLAYED OPEB BETA ON MAY 1ST..simple.
DDO anyone..lol
Why do you keep on persisting in breaking the NDA???
Actually anubisss the "people" you mentioned lied to you, simple as that.
Will AoC be the game everyone is expecting? Of course not, that's a basic principle of human nature, noone is expecting the same thing and different people have different tolerance towards certain issues that affect their every day and game life.
I do think that people will be disappointed if they come to AoC expecting to find a WoW expansion. Can't comment on GW, never played it.
I've also seen numerous people encouraging people to try the game before buying it. AmazingAvery among them. I've said myself to avoid pre-orders if you're unsure about it.
No, you don't need to be 60 to start enjoying the game. Tortage is great in it's own accord and is good enough to give people a clear image of how the game will pan out in the main land later on.
I won't be playing WAR either, I've had my fix on high fantasy games. I see myself playing AoC at least until a good non-fantasy game presents itself or until AO gets the graphic revamp.
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Honestly this game won't appeal to everyone, no one is forcing anyone to buy it.
When it releasing it will be accountable for its own positive and weaknesses.
You judge them for yourself. There will be an Open Beta, there will be preview weekends, there will be buddy keys and there will be a trial sometime after launch. There is plenty of free go's at seeing if you like the game.
Personally I bet more than 75% of the posters here will like the game, maybe not in its entirety but for the most part I am confident people will have an enjoyable experience in game, based on how much I found it to be when I played back in January.
Honestly if you want to go around reading some leaked beta scripts dated from months ago, be my guest. If you want to believe everything in them will be the final game, then your about as smart as someone smacking two bricks against their head daily.
Honestly this game won't appeal to everyone, no one is forcing anyone to buy it. When it releasing it will be accountable for its own positive and weaknesses. You judge them for yourself. There will be an Open Beta, there will be preview weekends, there will be buddy keys and there will be a trial sometime after launch. There is plenty of free go's at seeing if you like the game. Personally I bet more than 75% of the posters here will like the game, maybe not in its entirety but for the most part I am confident people will have an enjoyable experience in game, based on how much I found it to be when I played back in January. Honestly if you want to go around reading some leaked beta scripts dated from months ago, be my guest. If you want to believe everything in them will be the final game, then your about as smart as someone smacking two bricks against their head daily.
I know this is one issue i have brought up before is how linear the game is, if its anything like LOTR i will cry, im not sure what previous MMO's you played before Avery but i do remeber saying zones are set out soemwhat like EQ or you confirmed soemone elses statement which gave me alot better picture which was great.
You able to offer some sorte comparison like maybe the size of EQ2's Commons zone (can be bigger ?) or maybe hum tryin to think.....Wows badlands Zone? or maybe hum..they were fairly big zones within there game im not sure what you been on so not sure what to offer up, just curious if you not able is cool i understand Open Beta soon its just a worry that keeps nigling at me.
P.S Im talking post lvl 20 .
Cheers
I just read back on another post you made here and you explained it well with the 40 min travel ect down teh stairs but still if you could expand would be great since as far as im concerned are the only CREDIBLE source in these forums.
Honestly this game won't appeal to everyone, no one is forcing anyone to buy it. When it releasing it will be accountable for its own positive and weaknesses. You judge them for yourself. There will be an Open Beta, there will be preview weekends, there will be buddy keys and there will be a trial sometime after launch. There is plenty of free go's at seeing if you like the game. Personally I bet more than 75% of the posters here will like the game, maybe not in its entirety but for the most part I am confident people will have an enjoyable experience in game, based on how much I found it to be when I played back in January. Honestly if you want to go around reading some leaked beta scripts dated from months ago, be my guest. If you want to believe everything in them will be the final game, then your about as smart as someone smacking two bricks against their head daily.
QFE!
Wait until you can play/test it and stop making these threads.
Meh, WoW has set the standard with their seamless, loadingscreen-free world. Imo there is only one option for new games that seriously want to play ball - and that is to surpass WoW with more interactivity, "living world" stuff etc. No one looking past screenshots or IP is going to buy this huge step back to the "level loading" times... This isn't 1998 you know...
QFT! I just wish more people could realise this. Especially game developers.
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Your right when your right, but isn't also fair to state that NDA's are more than what you'd mentioned? It, too, is about protecting a potential player base from setting their hearts on early aspects of a game in development, that may have to be removed, for many reasons, before it's release. It's also seen as an overall game mechanic and content safeguard for an Ip, in an attempt to protect those aspects from other onlooking game developers, for as long as possible.
As for WoW's CB, wasn't it's NDA found on it's first 'accept or decline' page when entering the game along with all the other legal info.? <- Genuine question as I only toyed with it's open beta to 2weeks after it's launch, eventhough, I was invited to it's CB. I prefered to stay in SWG, for what turned out to be it's last months, preNGE.
== Dinner ==
Anubisss,
I agree, that WAR looks fun and I'm glad that they too, had the guts to push the title back for further polish and development. What's your estimate on how many times or how long they'd be able to do this before the fans and nay-sayers begin to cry foul?
...It's always best, for those that are uncertain of a title to hold out for open beta or trials before you buy, that's common consumer sense and plain 'good advice'.
To you both,
I'm glad that Vanguard and DDO were able to overcome their initial release issues, over time. I CB'd both of them.
My impression of Vanguard from CB to release was to push back the release date for a stable game at launch and I still think it would've been in their best interest.
DDO was a different animal as it looked good, at the time, through to it's release but when the level cap restirctions were lifted and the promise of full spectrum solo play was found to be non-existent, I felt lied to. So, again, see above and the 'good advice'.
My point is this; that with all the mentioned titles from the top of this post on down that were, either, utter turkeys from their launch, held little personal interest for an Ip or suffered a complete content melt-down, to have recovered(exception - WoW) and still be up and running(inclusion - WoW and total amazement at this), leaves little doubt that AoC will march on just fine.
Who knows, with the same type of extra time after AoC's launch as the others have required, considering the worst case scenario of 'doom and gloom', just how good the game may become. As it stands, near the end of closed beta and with the official and unofficial released information, I feel that's it's my type of game and that it can only get better.
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Im just commenting on area's I saw with my own eyes at the community event. I didn't see the whole game.
Plus from past dev comments they have said it doesnt take long to level - BUT that doesnt mean you have explored all area's of the game for that level area your around, nor that area's for you level are scaled upwards in difficulty to the next segment and increase in size.
The game has a progressive rolling storyline. To be honest from what we have seen in quest updates there will be a very small amount of people who potentially might quit during noob island, I for one will be looking to play out the very intriguing destiny quest storyline started at the very beginning of the game.
Who you are, where your going, why your going is all teasingly put on you through most quests. In PvE this is the backbone of the game, I actually said you experience a more open world from level 20 onwards and then it progressively gets more intense from the look of it.
There is not much point to exploring if you dont know where your going or why and in AoC its pretty defined by a capivating storyline from quest dialogues I saw. And that was just a very small portion.
Weezer at the Warcry.com beta journal, puts noob island at like 12 hrs of play or something. Thats not alot considering people will prob have 20 days or so of Open beta. (guess)
EDIT* This game was designed from scratch to have the 1-20 experience they promote, its never been hidden and always been promoted. Anyone getting into the game and is worried that they might get bored is also the same type of person to research and know in advance what its going to be like.
facts please
I don't no lol..you figure it out how i know all this seriously don't take my word for it ..come back here on may 1st and tell me how you feel then..How hard do you think it is to find all this out about AOC lol..do you want me to provide you with a link or are you smart enough to use the google search engine..its not rocket science.
I could show you a site that has over 180 AOC beta leaks some as new as this morning seriously ,go do a bit of searching..I have actually been friendly in my description of AOC but alas ..don't take my word for it..
I want a link, or google search terms that will take me to the right place please
oh.. i found what your were probably talking about. hmm.
I will wait til its done, I think... I am looking forward to this and don't want to get too caught up in forum blather. Guess I am a judge it when I experience kind of person...
Hey Avery... arent you getting awfully close to breaking the beta NDA? Or are you not under such NDA? Can you only brake it if you say bad things about AoC or also when you promote it, as you do?
Just wondering
Everything that I write I promise is publically released information, at the community event we were not under NDA. (Stradden from mmorpg.com was there too) All the news links posted here over the past few months contain everything I've said. Although at the community event did get invited back up the next day without all the press and met the CEO and saw a few extra things, including a 3 hr discussion with half a dozen different devs.
Weezers beta journal up on Warcry.com goes along way to describe the first 20 levels on Tortage.
I promote the good stuff that gets released as a fan, and also comment as such on things that trouble me. Made a few honest threads the past 6 weeks too, where I share my concerns.
Hehe, ok. Nice alibi
Anyway, i hope the game will be a huge success and that we all will enjoy it, though I have serious doubts...
Also, I hope you enjoy the beta testing! I wish I would get a spot but I really dont think they still invite people
I have to say that of all the things out there about AoC, the suggestion that you are seriously restricted in where you can go makes my heart sink. I will still play it... but this makes me sad.
I guess I will have to see how it is in reality... but a GW style approach would be such a total shame. Oh please tell me Funcom weren't that stupid.. ayayayay
while I am all for storyline, for me the greatest joy in an mmo is bumping into something surprising for the first time, especially if i decide to just wonder randomly for a while. I so hope there is some of this in AoC
You jsut caught my thoughts! And how i loved that!
People are in for a very big disappointment, thats all I'll say.
Can we make a troll thread where all trolls can post one liners? Actually I'm going to make a troll thread for trolls now!
O_o o_O
No, I'm not a troll I know some stuff, and I'm not fooling around, AoC is not as good as everyone thinks !
I really can't say anymore. I have my reasons I really really can't say .
I think your just upset because your not old enough to officially play the game.
Just over a month to go till open beta, how many more one liners without any facts to back it up?
read the rules for the forums here at mmorpg.com will you..
I can't say anymore because of the rules here, but I found out a lot of stuff today, And I'm not posting any more about this subject, i would like to see AoC as a good game now that Warhammer is delayed and maybe I will anyway, but as of the last few days I'm really not too sure of it !
But you know, experience is better than theory, so 33 days d/l open beta for yourself.
In a sense it's better when people know what they will face beforehand, acknowledge and accept it. EVE has a very steep learning curve. It helped me a lot to know what to expect, since I was more patient towards learning the ropes and putting the time to actually learn the game, instead of giving up at those critical first days. On the same boat, it helps to know how the game will play. Following the previous example, one could think that since EVE is space combat, it could play like Wing commander with a stick and a throttle. Sort of how people describe Jumpgate evolution plays like.
When people are aware of these issues, certain complains become invalid. One can complain that EVE has no joystick first person action but the game was not build with that in mind. In the same context, one can complain about the presence of zones as opposed to the lack of zone transition, however this was how the game was build to work. People who loath zoning of any kind should stay away from the game, because no matter how fast or slow the transition, the zoning transition will be there.
Having said that, the zones of the main world (I repeat, the main world) are big enough for players to gain 5 or more levels on the lower levels and even more on the higher levels. That amounts on hours of gameplay without transitions. I really have no way to describe them unless somebody is already familiar with how AO or EQ2 works. Never played DAoC or GW, so I can't make a meaningful comparison with those two games.
Bottom line, for those interested in this game, class balance in PvP, guild composition in a server (one alliance could potentially hold all the keeps for example) and generally post max level activities will be real concerns after release. Lack of zoning will not be since the people playing the game will have to accept this basic game functionality as an everyday reality. If they can't, they won't be playing the game anyway. I know people that don't play EVE because it has no real player avatars (yet), still, the game is doing fine regardless.
You know NDA's are really starting to eat at me. I have been in so many beta's and the only one that I recall never really had one and that was WoW. To many of these companies put up NDA's to cover up the fact that their game is only 65% done, is still buggy, and yes...to also cover up the game in general so that people do not learn the truth about the game until after they buy it. This is wrong on so many levels. Why? Because this kind of thing causes customers to not trust a game developer or publisher. The thing is FunCom of all companies really needs to remember their beginnings. The AO debacle almost sunk them. AoC...ugh!
Anyway. A game should be fun from the moment you start playing it. A poster mentioned in this thread that that is how AoC is. LOL! Isn't that breaking the NDA? If not..then why can't I freely discuss the game?
Why can't I talk about combat, about just the basic game mechanics? Surely if others can discuss the game as they do then surely so can we others.
Damn - flight delayed again. ::sigh::
Anyway...ticks me off. If a game company has so little faith in their product to not allow people to discuss it...then I feel they are delibrately trying to mislead those who are potential customers. Is FunCom doing this. I am sorry I am not at liberty to say. *&%$# NDA's
Truth of the matter..you will love it or hate it plain and simple. Will AOC be the game everyone is expecting..no it will be something in between GW and your normal WOW type mmorpg.
So you are saying that people should pay there money ,level all the way to 60 then start to enjoy the game?..You will be playing WAR by the end of the year lol..i guarantee it.
PVP/RVR will not be anywhere near WAR standard and this i have heard and seen through numerous vids to be true.
All i say to people..DO NOT PRE-ORDER UNTIL YOU HAVE PLAYED OPEB BETA ON MAY 1ST..simple.
DDO anyone..lol
Erm..ok lol..i no people who have gone all the way to lvl 80 and in fact the game seems smaller and smaller the higher lvl you get. You can spout off differently but this is fact. So you are the only person who people should listen to..right? I know numerous people who are testing this game right now and they all say..great graphics..limited world over powerful classes..ie ranger and mob placement that leaves a lot to be desired.Truth of the matter..you will love it or hate it plain and simple. Will AOC be the game everyone is expecting..no it will be something in between GW and your normal WOW type mmorpg.
So you are saying that people should pay there money ,level all the way to 60 then start to enjoy the game?..You will be playing WAR by the end of the year lol..i guarantee it.
PVP/RVR will not be anywhere near WAR standard and this i have heard and seen through numerous vids to be true.
All i say to people..DO NOT PRE-ORDER UNTIL YOU HAVE PLAYED OPEB BETA ON MAY 1ST..simple.
DDO anyone..lol
Why do you keep on persisting in breaking the NDA???
material. We have been going after people who post videos and other
information like that, working to get them removed, and, in some cases,
taking legal action. We take it very seriously and the link/discussion
will be removed as soon as possible and your forum account infracted or
possibly banned. We've already banned hundreds of beta accounts and will
continue doing so as we track people down.
For the record, yes, "My friend who is in beta told me...<incredibly
specific obviously NDA-breaking information>" or "I read on this site
somewhere...<incredibly specific obviously NDA-breaking information>" or
"Rumors say...<incredibly specific obviously NDA-breaking information>"
does count as an NDA break.
These forums here abide by the NDA for the game, get it into your thick head will you.
Did you miss the Sticky at the top of this forum? or are you just special?
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/163163
And for the record you dickhead, I said try the Open Beta and see how you like it..
Actually anubisss the "people" you mentioned lied to you, simple as that.
Will AoC be the game everyone is expecting? Of course not, that's a basic principle of human nature, noone is expecting the same thing and different people have different tolerance towards certain issues that affect their every day and game life.
I do think that people will be disappointed if they come to AoC expecting to find a WoW expansion. Can't comment on GW, never played it.
I've also seen numerous people encouraging people to try the game before buying it. AmazingAvery among them. I've said myself to avoid pre-orders if you're unsure about it.
No, you don't need to be 60 to start enjoying the game. Tortage is great in it's own accord and is good enough to give people a clear image of how the game will pan out in the main land later on.
I won't be playing WAR either, I've had my fix on high fantasy games. I see myself playing AoC at least until a good non-fantasy game presents itself or until AO gets the graphic revamp.
Honestly this game won't appeal to everyone, no one is forcing anyone to buy it.
When it releasing it will be accountable for its own positive and weaknesses.
You judge them for yourself. There will be an Open Beta, there will be preview weekends, there will be buddy keys and there will be a trial sometime after launch. There is plenty of free go's at seeing if you like the game.
Personally I bet more than 75% of the posters here will like the game, maybe not in its entirety but for the most part I am confident people will have an enjoyable experience in game, based on how much I found it to be when I played back in January.
Honestly if you want to go around reading some leaked beta scripts dated from months ago, be my guest. If you want to believe everything in them will be the final game, then your about as smart as someone smacking two bricks against their head daily.
I know this is one issue i have brought up before is how linear the game is, if its anything like LOTR i will cry, im not sure what previous MMO's you played before Avery but i do remeber saying zones are set out soemwhat like EQ or you confirmed soemone elses statement which gave me alot better picture which was great.
You able to offer some sorte comparison like maybe the size of EQ2's Commons zone (can be bigger ?) or maybe hum tryin to think.....Wows badlands Zone? or maybe hum..they were fairly big zones within there game im not sure what you been on so not sure what to offer up, just curious if you not able is cool i understand Open Beta soon its just a worry that keeps nigling at me.
P.S Im talking post lvl 20 .
Cheers
I just read back on another post you made here and you explained it well with the 40 min travel ect down teh stairs but still if you could expand would be great since as far as im concerned are the only CREDIBLE source in these forums.
QFE!
Wait until you can play/test it and stop making these threads.
QFT! I just wish more people could realise this. Especially game developers.
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Teala,
Your right when your right, but isn't also fair to state that NDA's are more than what you'd mentioned? It, too, is about protecting a potential player base from setting their hearts on early aspects of a game in development, that may have to be removed, for many reasons, before it's release. It's also seen as an overall game mechanic and content safeguard for an Ip, in an attempt to protect those aspects from other onlooking game developers, for as long as possible.
As for WoW's CB, wasn't it's NDA found on it's first 'accept or decline' page when entering the game along with all the other legal info.? <- Genuine question as I only toyed with it's open beta to 2weeks after it's launch, eventhough, I was invited to it's CB. I prefered to stay in SWG, for what turned out to be it's last months, preNGE.
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Anubisss,
I agree, that WAR looks fun and I'm glad that they too, had the guts to push the title back for further polish and development. What's your estimate on how many times or how long they'd be able to do this before the fans and nay-sayers begin to cry foul?
...It's always best, for those that are uncertain of a title to hold out for open beta or trials before you buy, that's common consumer sense and plain 'good advice'.
To you both,
I'm glad that Vanguard and DDO were able to overcome their initial release issues, over time. I CB'd both of them.
My impression of Vanguard from CB to release was to push back the release date for a stable game at launch and I still think it would've been in their best interest.
DDO was a different animal as it looked good, at the time, through to it's release but when the level cap restirctions were lifted and the promise of full spectrum solo play was found to be non-existent, I felt lied to. So, again, see above and the 'good advice'.
My point is this; that with all the mentioned titles from the top of this post on down that were, either, utter turkeys from their launch, held little personal interest for an Ip or suffered a complete content melt-down, to have recovered(exception - WoW) and still be up and running(inclusion - WoW and total amazement at this), leaves little doubt that AoC will march on just fine.
Who knows, with the same type of extra time after AoC's launch as the others have required, considering the worst case scenario of 'doom and gloom', just how good the game may become. As it stands, near the end of closed beta and with the official and unofficial released information, I feel that's it's my type of game and that it can only get better.
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