The reason for the hostility on the AoC Dev side is in the recent interview with Darkfall Dev Tasos at WarCry labeled 3/28/08 they took a cheap shot at AoC Mature rating. And I Qoute. "We never tried to exploit the M rating, and we never felt there was a need to tease our players with promises of ultra violence or sexist sexual innuendo. For us, it's all about the features that come from offering full freedom gameplay with accountability. We've remained true to our original vision to this day." Also another reason shots were fired is because all of sudden Tasos was bursting at the seams with all the features that Darkfall would provide and it was endless like they had no programming barriers, I mean other companies thought about these things, just the tech is not up to par to do them. If they can seamlessly blend a world and I quote. "The size of the world: From the ones we know about, It's at least more than twice the land area size of the largest announced or released MMO out there. This world is also seamless and zoneless." No one has pulled that off to that degree and I just don't see our tech able to pull that off as well. And the character models how they can be scaled etc.. It just sounds like they are adding everything in a dream world and AoC sees this as false because as I've been saying technology is not yet up to snuff to this type of stuff. Now don't get me wrong Darkfall is quite the project and I hope to see it successful as much as the next Darkfall fan but you gotta take a spoon of salt from this latest interview it does sound like an info-commercial and it does like they are trying to fluff everything, stuff that isn't possible. Buy hey only time can tell, if you haven't read the dev journal yet, please do it here 3/28/08 Tasos Dev Journal Darkfall Development
the tech is not up to par with the graphics they want to run they made there engine from scratch its called new tech has to come at some point in time.
but like you said time will tell but think of it as them being pretty much honest with us
Perhaps Darkfall even in it's current form, is a threat to the status quo of mmorpgs so it is common for any "offended" mmo company or any individual developer to attack it by any means he has.
Just imagine what will happen if Darkfall goes beta. A small dev team versus multi million mmos that all of their features tied together are not even half the features that Darkfall has, but they are not even half the features of Ultima Online (which unfortunately for them is not a vaporware).
I want Darkfall to succeed and i would love to see the faces of the cloners that take 4-5 years in development (Betas and Gammas not included) and then come here to show off their unfinished games that feature visual chat rooms, instances and loading screens in the year 2008 of quad core CPUs and several gigabytes of RAM.
And then, pot plant designers, boob algorithm specialists and many other professions made up to consume and justify the standard 20 million dollar mmo budget, will give their place to real developers worthy of their salaries-time and that's just the problem they have against any kind of Darkfall.
You live in a VERY well crafted fantasy don't you? You really have no clue what goes on behind the scenes in this industry...nor any clue exactly what kind of work is involved. Its beyond evident to me.
No one is "afraid" of Darkfall. Even in the best case scenario (and this is even admitted by the DF devs as a reason they haven't taken a publisher) Darkfall will NEVER be mainstream. It will live its life as a niche game, just as any other FFA PVP game in this genre will. The only people who would be scared of such a game, are its ONLY existing competitors...EVE. Its THOSE players that will jump ship...not the hordes of people who get a chubby playing secure level/class systems. Guess what most of the market is? Hell, guess what AoC, WAR, WoW, and nearly every game put OUTS market is?
To clear up what I said in the beginning....the devs that make thease "simple easy clones" aren't being lazy. In fact, most MMO companies work their production team to the bone, 80 hour weeks and such. If it takes full, and EXPERIENCED, teams working massive shifts 5 or so years to make these stupid and simple games....just how farkin long do you think its going to take some stupid newbie INDIE group to pull of something that is promising well over 10x the content?
Hell, I'll TELL you. It won't happen. Never. Without a publisher to grant them more workers and broader timeframes....that teeny little indie group would be LUCKY to pull off a CLONE of WoW in the time they have taken. Even then, I'd bet my bottom dollar it wouldn't have the polish WoW did...and right now, thats a MUST. They also WILL NOT have the customer support Blizzard did either....being indie does that to you. Can't afford large support staff when your overhead just ate almost every dime you've ever made.
In conclusion...stop dreaming. Its REALLY silly seeing you fans talk like you do. It shows a complete detachment from reality. Google this stuff...read up on what it REALLY takes to make these games. Come back here and discuss just what this indie group can and cannot do once you learn about it. Suggesting that any serious MMO company is afraid of vaporware is dumb....hell, its NICHE vaporware. No one is shaking in their boots over this. Most companies are gonna have already long since made wads of cash off their games before DF even sees the light of beta.
Judging by 'this' i believe it means current year. Please cease your flaming as it proves nothing and only embarrases yourself.
Go back to AoC please
Teala still has a valid point. Every year someone on these forums that beta will start this year, than the year goes by and no beta.....
If I were anyone following this game, I would keep statements like "beta is atleast this year" mum until there is an actual beta start date stated by a DF dev.
I remember some guildies signing up for guild beta back in 2005 under the impression it was starting that year. Has guild beta started yet?
did i say it last year? no did i say it before hand hell iw asnt barly watching it until end of 2007 because i understand the time needed to amke a game like this.
I can garrentee beta this year if it doesnt happen im not going to follow it either just play something else
I can garrentee beta this year if it doesnt happen im not going to follow it either just play something else
On the Darkfall website a new Press Release just appeared! They are hiring 20 more developers and are in talks with a Publisher. As for the reason for this unexpected move they stated: downtoearth wouldn't play Darkfall if we don't have a Beta this year.
Wauw.. Well said Tasos! ... On a side note, I find it quite fascinating that a developer from Age of Conan acts this way! It's clearly a sign of fear..
I dont like the idea of the AoC devs beeing afriad. That would mean thay have a weak product, and dont have 100% faith in it.
There have been alot of 'rumours' that you can't stray from a certain path of terrain in AOC, similar to guild wars.
Other "rumours" about Pizza Hut on their shields. Hope it not ruin the inner feeling of Conan world.
I can garrentee beta this year if it doesnt happen im not going to follow it either just play something else
On the Darkfall website a new Press Release just appeared! They are hiring 20 more developers and are in talks with a Publisher. As for the reason for this unexpected move they stated: downtoearth wouldn't play Darkfall if we don't have a Beta this year.
if thats the case O_O i didnt know that ill see when end of this year comes but dont think im going to have to wait that long.
There have been alot of 'rumours' that you can't stray from a certain path of terrain in AOC, similar to guild wars.
Other "rumours" about Pizza Hut on their shields. Hope it not ruin the inner feeling of Conan world.
Yea, I heard that too. I also heard that you need to rest in a McDonalds if you want to re-gain your health points and that you can do long-distance travel in a Mercedes that looks like a dragon ... dude, what are you smoking?
The invisible walls have been bugs that have been fixed, as for your "rumour", I guess it will take a shrink to fix that one.
There have been alot of 'rumours' that you can't stray from a certain path of terrain in AOC, similar to guild wars.
Other "rumours" about Pizza Hut on their shields. Hope it not ruin the inner feeling of Conan world.
Yea, I heard that too. I also heard that you need to rest in a McDonalds if you want to re-gain your health points and that you can do long-distance travel in a Mercedes that looks like a dragon ... dude, what are you smoking?
The invisible walls have been bugs that have been fixed, as for your "rumour", I guess it will take a shrink to fix that one.
they havent been fixed the game isnt free roam. its pathed instanced piece of crap way to much zoning
Wondered abit why Tasos were so on the offence in last Developer Journal towards (as i read it )especially the game Age of Conan and its develpers Funcom. This might be one of the reasons behind all the turbulance. A thread from the Age of Conan website. Some cheap shots from a Age of Conan developer. http://forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=19320&page=3 In this thread you can read about statements like this from Developer Athelan. [QUOTE] Athelan- developer of Age of Conan:
Pre-Order now for the low low price of only 6 payments of 99.99 and we will throw in this brand new kitchen sink for free, AND WAIT THATS NOT ALL get this complete box set of ABBA's greatest hits!... AND WE MUST BEEEE CRAAAAZZZZYY BECAUSE NOT ONLY ARE WE GOING TO GIVE YOU THAT BUT I AM GOING TO GIVE YOU THE COMBO JUICER SUPER SQUIEGEE HIGH POWER WASHING FULLY CARBIDE KITCHEN KUNG FU IRON CHEF KNIFE SET! BUY NOW!
Thats what that video makes me think of.
I mean if the game comes out with 1/10th of what is claimed there. If it only delivered on skill based, open pvp that was fun. I would check it out at least. But anytime I see claims like that I just can't take it serious. But thats a fan movie so hopefully they are not promising all that. [/QUOTE] Another one from same developer and same thread- [QUOTE] Athelan- developer of Age of Conan: Dont they have like infinite time and money now thanks to some rich sheik's son from the middle east?[/QUOTE] And the last one i found in same thread- [QUOTE] Athelan- developer of Age of Conan: Well there is a big difference between making some promises and not being able to deliver everything, and literally promising everything :P
It's like saying I promise to buy you a new car by the end of the year. At the end of the year I didn't buy you a brand new BMW I ended up buying a Honda.
But if I promised to buy you a Ferrari, and said no not just a Ferrari but a Ferrari Enzo, with custom solid gold rims, and full leather interior custom made out of lambskin. Then delivered you a used 1983 Mazda, or a toy car looking like a Ferrari ;p. [/QUOTE] This kind of behaviour is really tasteless and is hitting below the belt. No wonder Tasos gave some pounches to Funcom after reading this. And Tasos own responce to this turbulance can be read in thread link below on the Darkfall board and its way more mature then the represant from Funcom outburst on Darkfall developers and their game. http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=32653 [QUOTE]Tasos Flambouras- Darkfall Developer : You'll never catch Darkfall developers taking cheap shots against other MMOs. Aside from adhering to professional courtesy standards, we're not that concerned about them to bother. You shouldn't be either.
I'll lock this thread now if that's alright.[/QUOTE]
By the way : welcome one year ago ( this thread on AoC board was posted in Fev 2007 ).
DF devs will not take cheap shots against other MMO for sure....they have nothing to show, it would be utter irony from them to make fun of AoC or any other MMO for that matter.
No offense, but after reading that thread you linked on the DF forums.....I have not seen such a bitter crowd of people since some of the Pre-CU SWG vets forums.
what do you expect from people who've been following something for 7 years and getting nothing but stale screenshots and a few generic alpha videos in that time?
Wondered abit why Tasos were so on the offence in last Developer Journal towards (as i read it )especially the game Age of Conan and its develpers Funcom. This might be one of the reasons behind all the turbulance. A thread from the Age of Conan website. Some cheap shots from a Age of Conan developer. http://forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=19320&page=3 In this thread you can read about statements like this from Developer Athelan. [QUOTE] Athelan- developer of Age of Conan:
Pre-Order now for the low low price of only 6 payments of 99.99 and we will throw in this brand new kitchen sink for free, AND WAIT THATS NOT ALL get this complete box set of ABBA's greatest hits!... AND WE MUST BEEEE CRAAAAZZZZYY BECAUSE NOT ONLY ARE WE GOING TO GIVE YOU THAT BUT I AM GOING TO GIVE YOU THE COMBO JUICER SUPER SQUIEGEE HIGH POWER WASHING FULLY CARBIDE KITCHEN KUNG FU IRON CHEF KNIFE SET! BUY NOW!
Thats what that video makes me think of.
I mean if the game comes out with 1/10th of what is claimed there. If it only delivered on skill based, open pvp that was fun. I would check it out at least. But anytime I see claims like that I just can't take it serious. But thats a fan movie so hopefully they are not promising all that. [/QUOTE] Another one from same developer and same thread- [QUOTE] Athelan- developer of Age of Conan: Dont they have like infinite time and money now thanks to some rich sheik's son from the middle east?[/QUOTE] And the last one i found in same thread- [QUOTE] Athelan- developer of Age of Conan: Well there is a big difference between making some promises and not being able to deliver everything, and literally promising everything :P
It's like saying I promise to buy you a new car by the end of the year. At the end of the year I didn't buy you a brand new BMW I ended up buying a Honda.
But if I promised to buy you a Ferrari, and said no not just a Ferrari but a Ferrari Enzo, with custom solid gold rims, and full leather interior custom made out of lambskin. Then delivered you a used 1983 Mazda, or a toy car looking like a Ferrari ;p. [/QUOTE] This kind of behaviour is really tasteless and is hitting below the belt. No wonder Tasos gave some pounches to Funcom after reading this. And Tasos own responce to this turbulance can be read in thread link below on the Darkfall board and its way more mature then the represant from Funcom outburst on Darkfall developers and their game. http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=32653 [QUOTE]Tasos Flambouras- Darkfall Developer : You'll never catch Darkfall developers taking cheap shots against other MMOs. Aside from adhering to professional courtesy standards, we're not that concerned about them to bother. You shouldn't be either.
I'll lock this thread now if that's alright.[/QUOTE]
By the way : welcome one year ago ( this thread on AoC board was posted in Fev 2007 ).
DF devs will not take cheap shots against other MMO for sure....they have nothing to show, it would be utter irony from them to make fun of AoC or any other MMO for that matter.
Thats why i think they have been honest with us because if he had nothing to show he would of took them cheap shots at AOC man AOc fans are pissed off hahahaha
REn keeps trying to Defunk darkfall it hasnt worked yet and it will never work. bet he will still be posting here even after beta starts and they were being honest hahaha
There have been alot of 'rumours' that you can't stray from a certain path of terrain in AOC, similar to guild wars.
Other "rumours" about Pizza Hut on their shields. Hope it not ruin the inner feeling of Conan world.
Yea, I heard that too. I also heard that you need to rest in a McDonalds if you want to re-gain your health points and that you can do long-distance travel in a Mercedes that looks like a dragon ... dude, what are you smoking?
The invisible walls have been bugs that have been fixed, as for your "rumour", I guess it will take a shrink to fix that one.
I can understand you dont wanna admit you been played, but cmon, dont think they had Pizza Hut during prehistory time and it sorta take away the lore feeling, dont you agree?
Judging by 'this' i believe it means current year. Please cease your flaming as it proves nothing and only embarrases yourself.
Go back to AoC please
Teala still has a valid point. Every year someone on these forums that beta will start this year, than the year goes by and no beta.....
If I were anyone following this game, I would keep statements like "beta is atleast this year" mum until there is an actual beta start date stated by a DF dev.
I remember some guildies signing up for guild beta back in 2005 under the impression it was starting that year. Has guild beta started yet?
did i say it last year? no did i say it before hand hell iw asnt barly watching it until end of 2007 because i understand the time needed to amke a game like this.
I can garrentee beta this year if it doesnt happen im not going to follow it either just play something else
I never said you said anything last year. I would like to say thank you for clearing up how long you've actually been following this game.
Every year someone like you has come along saying the same things you're saying. Oh just wait beta will be this year, you'll see. After awhile it gets tiring. What you don't seem to understand is, everything you're saying now 2008 is almost the exact same thing someone said in 2001,2002,2003, 2004, 2005, 2006,2007. I'm tired of seeing people say the devs said this quoting what they think is new info but actually info spun from years ago. There are a lot of people at one point in time that were very eager for this game to come out. Now it's just turning into pure rhetoric spun around a little trying make it sound new when it's old info!!!
Wondered abit why Tasos were so on the offence in last Developer Journal towards (as i read it )especially the game Age of Conan and its develpers Funcom. This might be one of the reasons behind all the turbulance. A thread from the Age of Conan website. Some cheap shots from a Age of Conan developer. http://forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=19320&page=3 In this thread you can read about statements like this from Developer Athelan. [QUOTE] Athelan- developer of Age of Conan:
Pre-Order now for the low low price of only 6 payments of 99.99 and we will throw in this brand new kitchen sink for free, AND WAIT THATS NOT ALL get this complete box set of ABBA's greatest hits!... AND WE MUST BEEEE CRAAAAZZZZYY BECAUSE NOT ONLY ARE WE GOING TO GIVE YOU THAT BUT I AM GOING TO GIVE YOU THE COMBO JUICER SUPER SQUIEGEE HIGH POWER WASHING FULLY CARBIDE KITCHEN KUNG FU IRON CHEF KNIFE SET! BUY NOW!
Thats what that video makes me think of.
I mean if the game comes out with 1/10th of what is claimed there. If it only delivered on skill based, open pvp that was fun. I would check it out at least. But anytime I see claims like that I just can't take it serious. But thats a fan movie so hopefully they are not promising all that. [/QUOTE] Another one from same developer and same thread- [QUOTE] Athelan- developer of Age of Conan: Dont they have like infinite time and money now thanks to some rich sheik's son from the middle east?[/QUOTE] And the last one i found in same thread- [QUOTE] Athelan- developer of Age of Conan: Well there is a big difference between making some promises and not being able to deliver everything, and literally promising everything :P
It's like saying I promise to buy you a new car by the end of the year. At the end of the year I didn't buy you a brand new BMW I ended up buying a Honda.
But if I promised to buy you a Ferrari, and said no not just a Ferrari but a Ferrari Enzo, with custom solid gold rims, and full leather interior custom made out of lambskin. Then delivered you a used 1983 Mazda, or a toy car looking like a Ferrari ;p. [/QUOTE] This kind of behaviour is really tasteless and is hitting below the belt. No wonder Tasos gave some pounches to Funcom after reading this. And Tasos own responce to this turbulance can be read in thread link below on the Darkfall board and its way more mature then the represant from Funcom outburst on Darkfall developers and their game. http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=32653 [QUOTE]Tasos Flambouras- Darkfall Developer : You'll never catch Darkfall developers taking cheap shots against other MMOs. Aside from adhering to professional courtesy standards, we're not that concerned about them to bother. You shouldn't be either.
I'll lock this thread now if that's alright.[/QUOTE]
By the way : welcome one year ago ( this thread on AoC board was posted in Fev 2007 ).
DF devs will not take cheap shots against other MMO for sure....they have nothing to show, it would be utter irony from them to make fun of AoC or any other MMO for that matter.
Thats why i think they have been honest with us because if he had nothing to show he would of took them cheap shots at AOC man AOc fans are pissed off hahahaha
Umm...Tasos did take cheap shots at AOC, I don't see how you feel he didn't.
First, they did not "start" over in 2004. They went through a graphical upgrade because development was taking so long their old stuff looked like ass. So, right out the gate....I have to deal with some more lies around here to cover up for the fact that this dev team is junk.
Second, there is not going to be a beta this year. I don't care what some PR pusher from DF told you. They do not have the sort of media ready for teh community that any other game about to hit beta would have. Any assertion that they are simply "hiding" that kind of media is bull as well. They have nothing to hide....any material they are working on would have been copyrighted the moment it stopped being on paper only. No game company in their right mind refuses to showcase their product "just because".
Third, the AoC guy was perfectly in the right for his comments. If you bothered to read into CONTEXT...you would see it all came as a response to constant posts about making the game more like what darkfall promises. What he asserts is that, promises are pretty empty when they don't even have half a game to show for all the promises they have made. Reading between the lines also teaches us that he is suggesting that half of the stuff DF promised is pretty "out there" and that even a FULL dev team like they have on AoC probably couldn't pull all of that off with the polish needed to be successful. He is DEAD RIGHT.
Last, but not least, you people talking about "loyatly" are real dumb. For starters, anyone can talk a good talk...and I can assure you that not even half of them are anywhere near deserving of loyalty at all. Beyond that, this is not some kind of cult...mmkay? They are a company, and they make products for consumers. The whole premise behind consumer loyalty is that they offer repeat business at the exclusion of others to a company which has proven to provide them with a quality product. DF doesn't exist, and its team has not delivered you ANY product....or even respectable information about what products they MIGHT be offering you later. All that your "loyalty" does is spread their name in a massive PR hype which serves MOSTLY to help their business in their other projects. It does not get you a game, in fact....considering the sheer marketing potential of such "loyalty" I'd wager it could be very profitable to NEVER MAKE A GAME AT ALL. They save tons of dev costs...and get to be a worldwide hot topic term so that everything else they are making is easier to push.
there are more deserving games that should be listed under the "games in development" section.
Wondered abit why Tasos were so on the offence in last Developer Journal towards (as i read it )especially the game Age of Conan and its develpers Funcom. This might be one of the reasons behind all the turbulance. A thread from the Age of Conan website. Some cheap shots from a Age of Conan developer. http://forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=19320&page=3 In this thread you can read about statements like this from Developer Athelan. [QUOTE] Athelan- developer of Age of Conan:
Pre-Order now for the low low price of only 6 payments of 99.99 and we will throw in this brand new kitchen sink for free, AND WAIT THATS NOT ALL get this complete box set of ABBA's greatest hits!... AND WE MUST BEEEE CRAAAAZZZZYY BECAUSE NOT ONLY ARE WE GOING TO GIVE YOU THAT BUT I AM GOING TO GIVE YOU THE COMBO JUICER SUPER SQUIEGEE HIGH POWER WASHING FULLY CARBIDE KITCHEN KUNG FU IRON CHEF KNIFE SET! BUY NOW!
Thats what that video makes me think of.
I mean if the game comes out with 1/10th of what is claimed there. If it only delivered on skill based, open pvp that was fun. I would check it out at least. But anytime I see claims like that I just can't take it serious. But thats a fan movie so hopefully they are not promising all that. [/QUOTE] Another one from same developer and same thread- [QUOTE] Athelan- developer of Age of Conan: Dont they have like infinite time and money now thanks to some rich sheik's son from the middle east?[/QUOTE] And the last one i found in same thread- [QUOTE] Athelan- developer of Age of Conan: Well there is a big difference between making some promises and not being able to deliver everything, and literally promising everything :P
It's like saying I promise to buy you a new car by the end of the year. At the end of the year I didn't buy you a brand new BMW I ended up buying a Honda.
But if I promised to buy you a Ferrari, and said no not just a Ferrari but a Ferrari Enzo, with custom solid gold rims, and full leather interior custom made out of lambskin. Then delivered you a used 1983 Mazda, or a toy car looking like a Ferrari ;p. [/QUOTE] This kind of behaviour is really tasteless and is hitting below the belt. No wonder Tasos gave some pounches to Funcom after reading this. And Tasos own responce to this turbulance can be read in thread link below on the Darkfall board and its way more mature then the represant from Funcom outburst on Darkfall developers and their game. http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=32653 [QUOTE]Tasos Flambouras- Darkfall Developer : You'll never catch Darkfall developers taking cheap shots against other MMOs. Aside from adhering to professional courtesy standards, we're not that concerned about them to bother. You shouldn't be either.
I'll lock this thread now if that's alright.[/QUOTE]
By the way : welcome one year ago ( this thread on AoC board was posted in Fev 2007 ).
DF devs will not take cheap shots against other MMO for sure....they have nothing to show, it would be utter irony from them to make fun of AoC or any other MMO for that matter.
Thats why i think they have been honest with us because if he had nothing to show he would of took them cheap shots at AOC man AOc fans are pissed off hahahaha
Lad, I am not even an AoC fan, I 'm just a MMORPG board reader and I try to keep an eye on the upcoming MMOs. DF case has cought my eyes because I like to read what the hardcore followers of this game have to say...it has been 5 years of the same stuff....release is soon ?™.
PS : I am french and god knows that we are bad at foreign languages but please try to make an effort when you write.
Did ANYONE notice the DATE that was posted? March 2007. ONE YEAR AGO. Who gives a crap what was said 1y ago. Back then the game was not what it is now lol is just to funny..
Did ANYONE notice the DATE that was posted? March 2007. ONE YEAR AGO. Who gives a crap what was said 1y ago. Back then the game was not what it is now lol is just to funny..
Thank you, you beat me to it.
Isn't funny how someone decided to resurrect this as justification for the comments made in the most recent dev journal for DF?
You are talking about Athelan. He doesn't hold back and he tells it like it is. While I may not agree with a lot of what he has said and done as it pertains to AoC, he is 100% spot on about Darkfall Online. There are a couple of devs at Funcom that are like him. The rest try to sugar coat everything. We need more people like Athelan because he will tell you the truth if you ask him a question that is in his realm of responsibility.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
Perhaps Darkfall even in it's current form, is a threat to the status quo of mmorpgs so it is common for any "offended" mmo company or any individual developer to attack it by any means he has.
Just imagine what will happen if Darkfall goes beta. A small dev team versus multi million mmos that all of their features tied together are not even half the features that Darkfall has, but they are not even half the features of Ultima Online (which unfortunately for them is not a vaporware).
I want Darkfall to succeed and i would love to see the faces of the cloners that take 4-5 years in development (Betas and Gammas not included) and then come here to show off their unfinished games that feature visual chat rooms, instances and loading screens in the year 2008 of quad core CPUs and several gigabytes of RAM.
And then, pot plant designers, boob algorithm specialists and many other professions made up to consume and justify the standard 20 million dollar mmo budget, will give their place to real developers worthy of their salaries-time and that's just the problem they have against any kind of Darkfall.
You live in a VERY well crafted fantasy don't you? You really have no clue what goes on behind the scenes in this industry...nor any clue exactly what kind of work is involved. Its beyond evident to me.
No one is "afraid" of Darkfall. Even in the best case scenario (and this is even admitted by the DF devs as a reason they haven't taken a publisher) Darkfall will NEVER be mainstream. It will live its life as a niche game, just as any other FFA PVP game in this genre will. The only people who would be scared of such a game, are its ONLY existing competitors...EVE. Its THOSE players that will jump ship...not the hordes of people who get a chubby playing secure level/class systems. Guess what most of the market is? Hell, guess what AoC, WAR, WoW, and nearly every game put OUTS market is?
To clear up what I said in the beginning....the devs that make thease "simple easy clones" aren't being lazy. In fact, most MMO companies work their production team to the bone, 80 hour weeks and such. If it takes full, and EXPERIENCED, teams working massive shifts 5 or so years to make these stupid and simple games....just how farkin long do you think its going to take some stupid newbie INDIE group to pull of something that is promising well over 10x the content?
Hell, I'll TELL you. It won't happen. Never. Without a publisher to grant them more workers and broader timeframes....that teeny little indie group would be LUCKY to pull off a CLONE of WoW in the time they have taken. Even then, I'd bet my bottom dollar it wouldn't have the polish WoW did...and right now, thats a MUST. They also WILL NOT have the customer support Blizzard did either....being indie does that to you. Can't afford large support staff when your overhead just ate almost every dime you've ever made.
In conclusion...stop dreaming. Its REALLY silly seeing you fans talk like you do. It shows a complete detachment from reality. Google this stuff...read up on what it REALLY takes to make these games. Come back here and discuss just what this indie group can and cannot do once you learn about it. Suggesting that any serious MMO company is afraid of vaporware is dumb....hell, its NICHE vaporware. No one is shaking in their boots over this. Most companies are gonna have already long since made wads of cash off their games before DF even sees the light of beta.
In my post i refered to Darkfall as an effort to change the current status of mmorpg development and not as the current solution for this specific problem.
I also used facts. A fact is that 11 years ago many features that darkfall tries to implement were done by a small developer team using old mmx technology and a few servers of 128 megabytes of RAM (they were just programmers). Origin expected that the "niche" Ultima would have just a few thousands of subs but "unfortunately" were just about 200000 in the year of 1997. Of course you did not bother to answer that.
Another fact is that i and many other players had enjoyed SWG PRE CU until they turned it into another linear mmo which even now has features inherited from the efforts of its previous programmers with bugs that for some reason are still not fixed from the current dev team that it has. That's another fact too.
I don't care about "mainstream" mmorpgs and if the devs that make these really cheap WOW clones are busy 80 hours a week they would not be able to come here and show off the features of their upcoming online games (unless they pay "developers" for chatting) but, i never saw any Darkfall developer come here to show off its features trying to make me preorder it.
Since you are an experienced mmorpg developer and know that google is the source of truth for everything then please allow me to laugh.
I don't live in any kind of well crafted fantasy You do. Since you are satisfied from the current state of mmorpgs you will be also satisfied when every simple online game will be considered as an mmorpg using tools and engines that don't allow any kind of PVP interactions but just give the same feeling of success to everyone. And of course that's not gaming that's an illusion.
It seems that you are just afraid of Darkfall and the lackeys behind you.
Funny how the first quote from the AoC dev was made ONE YEAR AGO. Did you just find it Aragorn?
Of course, we're a year down the road and Darkfall is no closer to entering closed public beta. Weird, eh? Get the impression that AoC dev knew what he was talking about?
Bet it still holds true 3 years from now when Darkfall announces (again) they are close to beginning the beta.
It is because Darkfall will put AoC out of buisness if it releases within a year of eachother. People won't be established enough in AoC to care, and leave. That is what AoC is worried about so they make jokes out of fear for their jobs. I don't blame them, I would be scared of Darkfall too if I had to compete against it.
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the tech is not up to par with the graphics they want to run they made there engine from scratch its called new tech has to come at some point in time.
but like you said time will tell but think of it as them being pretty much honest with us
You live in a VERY well crafted fantasy don't you? You really have no clue what goes on behind the scenes in this industry...nor any clue exactly what kind of work is involved. Its beyond evident to me.
No one is "afraid" of Darkfall. Even in the best case scenario (and this is even admitted by the DF devs as a reason they haven't taken a publisher) Darkfall will NEVER be mainstream. It will live its life as a niche game, just as any other FFA PVP game in this genre will. The only people who would be scared of such a game, are its ONLY existing competitors...EVE. Its THOSE players that will jump ship...not the hordes of people who get a chubby playing secure level/class systems. Guess what most of the market is? Hell, guess what AoC, WAR, WoW, and nearly every game put OUTS market is?
To clear up what I said in the beginning....the devs that make thease "simple easy clones" aren't being lazy. In fact, most MMO companies work their production team to the bone, 80 hour weeks and such. If it takes full, and EXPERIENCED, teams working massive shifts 5 or so years to make these stupid and simple games....just how farkin long do you think its going to take some stupid newbie INDIE group to pull of something that is promising well over 10x the content?
Hell, I'll TELL you. It won't happen. Never. Without a publisher to grant them more workers and broader timeframes....that teeny little indie group would be LUCKY to pull off a CLONE of WoW in the time they have taken. Even then, I'd bet my bottom dollar it wouldn't have the polish WoW did...and right now, thats a MUST. They also WILL NOT have the customer support Blizzard did either....being indie does that to you. Can't afford large support staff when your overhead just ate almost every dime you've ever made.
In conclusion...stop dreaming. Its REALLY silly seeing you fans talk like you do. It shows a complete detachment from reality. Google this stuff...read up on what it REALLY takes to make these games. Come back here and discuss just what this indie group can and cannot do once you learn about it. Suggesting that any serious MMO company is afraid of vaporware is dumb....hell, its NICHE vaporware. No one is shaking in their boots over this. Most companies are gonna have already long since made wads of cash off their games before DF even sees the light of beta.
What year would that be? 3020?
Teala still has a valid point. Every year someone on these forums that beta will start this year, than the year goes by and no beta.....Judging by 'this' i believe it means current year. Please cease your flaming as it proves nothing and only embarrases yourself.
Go back to AoC please
If I were anyone following this game, I would keep statements like "beta is atleast this year" mum until there is an actual beta start date stated by a DF dev.
I remember some guildies signing up for guild beta back in 2005 under the impression it was starting that year. Has guild beta started yet?
did i say it last year? no did i say it before hand hell iw asnt barly watching it until end of 2007 because i understand the time needed to amke a game like this.I can garrentee beta this year if it doesnt happen im not going to follow it either just play something else
On the Darkfall website a new Press Release just appeared! They are hiring 20 more developers and are in talks with a Publisher. As for the reason for this unexpected move they stated: downtoearth wouldn't play Darkfall if we don't have a Beta this year.
I dont like the idea of the AoC devs beeing afriad. That would mean thay have a weak product, and dont have 100% faith in it.
There have been alot of 'rumours' that you can't stray from a certain path of terrain in AOC, similar to guild wars.
Other "rumours" about Pizza Hut on their shields. Hope it not ruin the inner feeling of Conan world.
On the Darkfall website a new Press Release just appeared! They are hiring 20 more developers and are in talks with a Publisher. As for the reason for this unexpected move they stated: downtoearth wouldn't play Darkfall if we don't have a Beta this year.
if thats the case O_O i didnt know that ill see when end of this year comes but dont think im going to have to wait that long.
And where is it i cant find it
Other "rumours" about Pizza Hut on their shields. Hope it not ruin the inner feeling of Conan world.
Yea, I heard that too. I also heard that you need to rest in a McDonalds if you want to re-gain your health points and that you can do long-distance travel in a Mercedes that looks like a dragon ... dude, what are you smoking?
The invisible walls have been bugs that have been fixed, as for your "rumour", I guess it will take a shrink to fix that one.
Other "rumours" about Pizza Hut on their shields. Hope it not ruin the inner feeling of Conan world.
Yea, I heard that too. I also heard that you need to rest in a McDonalds if you want to re-gain your health points and that you can do long-distance travel in a Mercedes that looks like a dragon ... dude, what are you smoking?
The invisible walls have been bugs that have been fixed, as for your "rumour", I guess it will take a shrink to fix that one.
they havent been fixed the game isnt free roam. its pathed instanced piece of crap way to much zoning
By the way : welcome one year ago ( this thread on AoC board was posted in Fev 2007 ).
DF devs will not take cheap shots against other MMO for sure....they have nothing to show, it would be utter irony from them to make fun of AoC or any other MMO for that matter.
what do you expect from people who've been following something for 7 years and getting nothing but stale screenshots and a few generic alpha videos in that time?
when you going to give up you have lost sorry
Lost what?
By the way : welcome one year ago ( this thread on AoC board was posted in Fev 2007 ).
DF devs will not take cheap shots against other MMO for sure....they have nothing to show, it would be utter irony from them to make fun of AoC or any other MMO for that matter.
Thats why i think they have been honest with us because if he had nothing to show he would of took them cheap shots at AOC man AOc fans are pissed off hahahaha
REn keeps trying to Defunk darkfall it hasnt worked yet and it will never work. bet he will still be posting here even after beta starts and they were being honest hahaha
Other "rumours" about Pizza Hut on their shields. Hope it not ruin the inner feeling of Conan world.
Yea, I heard that too. I also heard that you need to rest in a McDonalds if you want to re-gain your health points and that you can do long-distance travel in a Mercedes that looks like a dragon ... dude, what are you smoking?
The invisible walls have been bugs that have been fixed, as for your "rumour", I guess it will take a shrink to fix that one.
I can understand you dont wanna admit you been played, but cmon, dont think they had Pizza Hut during prehistory time and it sorta take away the lore feeling, dont you agree?
What year would that be? 3020?
Teala still has a valid point. Every year someone on these forums that beta will start this year, than the year goes by and no beta.....Judging by 'this' i believe it means current year. Please cease your flaming as it proves nothing and only embarrases yourself.
Go back to AoC please
If I were anyone following this game, I would keep statements like "beta is atleast this year" mum until there is an actual beta start date stated by a DF dev.
I remember some guildies signing up for guild beta back in 2005 under the impression it was starting that year. Has guild beta started yet?
did i say it last year? no did i say it before hand hell iw asnt barly watching it until end of 2007 because i understand the time needed to amke a game like this.I can garrentee beta this year if it doesnt happen im not going to follow it either just play something else
I never said you said anything last year. I would like to say thank you for clearing up how long you've actually been following this game.Every year someone like you has come along saying the same things you're saying. Oh just wait beta will be this year, you'll see. After awhile it gets tiring. What you don't seem to understand is, everything you're saying now 2008 is almost the exact same thing someone said in 2001,2002,2003, 2004, 2005, 2006,2007. I'm tired of seeing people say the devs said this quoting what they think is new info but actually info spun from years ago. There are a lot of people at one point in time that were very eager for this game to come out. Now it's just turning into pure rhetoric spun around a little trying make it sound new when it's old info!!!
By the way : welcome one year ago ( this thread on AoC board was posted in Fev 2007 ).
DF devs will not take cheap shots against other MMO for sure....they have nothing to show, it would be utter irony from them to make fun of AoC or any other MMO for that matter.
Thats why i think they have been honest with us because if he had nothing to show he would of took them cheap shots at AOC man AOc fans are pissed off hahahaha
Umm...Tasos did take cheap shots at AOC, I don't see how you feel he didn't.
By the way : welcome one year ago ( this thread on AoC board was posted in Fev 2007 ).
DF devs will not take cheap shots against other MMO for sure....they have nothing to show, it would be utter irony from them to make fun of AoC or any other MMO for that matter.
Thats why i think they have been honest with us because if he had nothing to show he would of took them cheap shots at AOC man AOc fans are pissed off hahahaha
Lad, I am not even an AoC fan, I 'm just a MMORPG board reader and I try to keep an eye on the upcoming MMOs. DF case has cought my eyes because I like to read what the hardcore followers of this game have to say...it has been 5 years of the same stuff....release is soon ?™.
PS : I am french and god knows that we are bad at foreign languages but please try to make an effort when you write.
Did ANYONE notice the DATE that was posted? March 2007. ONE YEAR AGO. Who gives a crap what was said 1y ago. Back then the game was not what it is now lol is just to funny..
Isn't funny how someone decided to resurrect this as justification for the comments made in the most recent dev journal for DF?
There are people talking about this on another mmo website
I just received my DARKFALL Beta ....
....I had to flush it already.
You are talking about Athelan. He doesn't hold back and he tells it like it is. While I may not agree with a lot of what he has said and done as it pertains to AoC, he is 100% spot on about Darkfall Online. There are a couple of devs at Funcom that are like him. The rest try to sugar coat everything. We need more people like Athelan because he will tell you the truth if you ask him a question that is in his realm of responsibility.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
You live in a VERY well crafted fantasy don't you? You really have no clue what goes on behind the scenes in this industry...nor any clue exactly what kind of work is involved. Its beyond evident to me.
No one is "afraid" of Darkfall. Even in the best case scenario (and this is even admitted by the DF devs as a reason they haven't taken a publisher) Darkfall will NEVER be mainstream. It will live its life as a niche game, just as any other FFA PVP game in this genre will. The only people who would be scared of such a game, are its ONLY existing competitors...EVE. Its THOSE players that will jump ship...not the hordes of people who get a chubby playing secure level/class systems. Guess what most of the market is? Hell, guess what AoC, WAR, WoW, and nearly every game put OUTS market is?
To clear up what I said in the beginning....the devs that make thease "simple easy clones" aren't being lazy. In fact, most MMO companies work their production team to the bone, 80 hour weeks and such. If it takes full, and EXPERIENCED, teams working massive shifts 5 or so years to make these stupid and simple games....just how farkin long do you think its going to take some stupid newbie INDIE group to pull of something that is promising well over 10x the content?
Hell, I'll TELL you. It won't happen. Never. Without a publisher to grant them more workers and broader timeframes....that teeny little indie group would be LUCKY to pull off a CLONE of WoW in the time they have taken. Even then, I'd bet my bottom dollar it wouldn't have the polish WoW did...and right now, thats a MUST. They also WILL NOT have the customer support Blizzard did either....being indie does that to you. Can't afford large support staff when your overhead just ate almost every dime you've ever made.
In conclusion...stop dreaming. Its REALLY silly seeing you fans talk like you do. It shows a complete detachment from reality. Google this stuff...read up on what it REALLY takes to make these games. Come back here and discuss just what this indie group can and cannot do once you learn about it. Suggesting that any serious MMO company is afraid of vaporware is dumb....hell, its NICHE vaporware. No one is shaking in their boots over this. Most companies are gonna have already long since made wads of cash off their games before DF even sees the light of beta.
In my post i refered to Darkfall as an effort to change the current status of mmorpg development and not as the current solution for this specific problem.
I also used facts. A fact is that 11 years ago many features that darkfall tries to implement were done by a small developer team using old mmx technology and a few servers of 128 megabytes of RAM (they were just programmers). Origin expected that the "niche" Ultima would have just a few thousands of subs but "unfortunately" were just about 200000 in the year of 1997. Of course you did not bother to answer that.
Another fact is that i and many other players had enjoyed SWG PRE CU until they turned it into another linear mmo which even now has features inherited from the efforts of its previous programmers with bugs that for some reason are still not fixed from the current dev team that it has. That's another fact too.
I don't care about "mainstream" mmorpgs and if the devs that make these really cheap WOW clones are busy 80 hours a week they would not be able to come here and show off the features of their upcoming online games (unless they pay "developers" for chatting) but, i never saw any Darkfall developer come here to show off its features trying to make me preorder it.
Since you are an experienced mmorpg developer and know that google is the source of truth for everything then please allow me to laugh.
I don't live in any kind of well crafted fantasy You do. Since you are satisfied from the current state of mmorpgs you will be also satisfied when every simple online game will be considered as an mmorpg using tools and engines that don't allow any kind of PVP interactions but just give the same feeling of success to everyone. And of course that's not gaming that's an illusion.
It seems that you are just afraid of Darkfall and the lackeys behind you.
Funny how the first quote from the AoC dev was made ONE YEAR AGO. Did you just find it Aragorn?
Of course, we're a year down the road and Darkfall is no closer to entering closed public beta. Weird, eh? Get the impression that AoC dev knew what he was talking about?
Bet it still holds true 3 years from now when Darkfall announces (again) they are close to beginning the beta.
It is because Darkfall will put AoC out of buisness if it releases within a year of eachother. People won't be established enough in AoC to care, and leave. That is what AoC is worried about so they make jokes out of fear for their jobs. I don't blame them, I would be scared of Darkfall too if I had to compete against it.