Originally posted by ladyattis Originally posted by HashBrick No one has pulled that off to that degree and I just don't see our tech able to pull that off as well. And the character models how they can be scaled etc.. It just sounds like they are adding everything in a dream world and AoC sees this as false because as I've been saying technology is not yet up to snuff to this type of stuff.
Whoa there a minute, sonny. First, MUDs have had roomless constructs for better on five years (search for Kavir to learn more). Second, there's no technological barriers rather there are logical ones due to the fact that no one given feature of a program is fundamentally reshaping the modern computer (such as how computations are made or how I/O is done). It was the same in the 1960s and it's the same now, it's only the degree of return on computation that has changed.
So, yes, Darkfall can deliver what it has, the question is: can the developers make Darkfall in that do they even have the right number of developers, a decent software architect, and a good deal of capital? Those are the factors that matter in the feature set for Darkfall, not a new shiny GFX card or some mythical new way to compute (which there is none, btw, not even quantum computers add anything new to computation other than global paralellism, which many quantum computing theorists argue is a myth).
-- Brede
First of all I'm not your son, not your kid you will refer to me as sir, man, dude or mr.
Secondly MUDs didn't have graphics, you took the term to literally, by technology we are talking about graphics. When you add graphics you have boundaries.
Thirdly you have no idea about the computer world, apparently everything is great in your world. But in real life you got things called components and they can only run to a certain degree, there is tons of technological barriers, you can only push a video card/processor so hard. You need to remember not everyone has a super PC they have to go by standards and recommended stats of the majority.
Quadly Darkfall will not be a seamless world it's not possible they will need loading somewhere even if it is in the background you will notice it when you PC lags up a bit.
Please know what the hell you are talking about before you fly off the handle.
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Athelan is spot on with his comments. I got fed up with all the promises DF made a few years ago, and moving on from there I've seen no evidence to back those claims up.
Some send a mail to Darkfall saying "please remember to bring your game client to the next E3"
Maybe the OP is not aware to prior history before those quotes..
Hm.. hes awfully snarky for a guy that claimed over a year ago that AoC supported 200+ person sieges, and yet we havent seen a single vid of pvp with more than a few players on screen. There is some degree of irony involved when Funcom starts taking to people about providing proof, when they have hidden behind their precious nda for so long.
I wonder what the weather is like up on that pedastal of his?
Waiting for: A skill-based MMO with Freedom and Consequence. Woe to thee, the pierce-ed.
Say whatever you want about AoC, the game might not be as good as the hype makes it out to be but one thing is for sure, its already better than DarkFall. You keep on trolling each other in the darkfall forums for another decade maybe by the time you're all 40 you'll realize you've been had.
Say whatever you want about AoC, the game might not be as good as the hype makes it out to be but one thing is for sure, its already better than DarkFall. You keep on trolling each other in the darkfall forums for another decade maybe by the time you're all 40 you'll realize you've been had.
Allim going to say is alot of people are going to be getting alot of i told you so here farily soon
Say whatever you want about AoC, the game might not be as good as the hype makes it out to be but one thing is for sure, its already better than DarkFall. You keep on trolling each other in the darkfall forums for another decade maybe by the time you're all 40 you'll realize you've been had.
Allim going to say is alot of people are going to be getting alot of i told you so here farily soon
You could be very well be right, but I think the bets should be on who gets told, the blind supporters or the bitter haters =P
Say whatever you want about AoC, the game might not be as good as the hype makes it out to be but one thing is for sure, its already better than DarkFall. You keep on trolling each other in the darkfall forums for another decade maybe by the time you're all 40 you'll realize you've been had.
Allim going to say is alot of people are going to be getting alot of i told you so here farily soon
You could be very well be right, but I think the bets should be on who gets told, the blind supporters or the bitter haters =P
Why do you call me a blind supporter? or anyone?
You obvouisly dont know whaat we are thinking.
We couldn't explain it to you or even give you proof because you just say we are lieing. or its was faked
Say whatever you want about AoC, the game might not be as good as the hype makes it out to be but one thing is for sure, its already better than DarkFall. You keep on trolling each other in the darkfall forums for another decade maybe by the time you're all 40 you'll realize you've been had.
Allim going to say is alot of people are going to be getting alot of i told you so here farily soon
You could be very well be right, but I think the bets should be on who gets told, the blind supporters or the bitter haters =P
Why do you call me a blind supporter? or anyone?
You obvouisly dont know whaat we are thinking.
We couldn't explain it to you or even give you proof because you just say we are lieing. or its was faked
If you don't understand why I used the terms "blind supporters" and "bitter haters" than you are the one that doesn't understand what's going on.
In my post i refered to Darkfall as an effort to change the current status of mmorpg development and not as the current solution for this specific problem. I also used facts. A fact is that 11 years ago many features that darkfall tries to implement were done by a small developer team using old mmx technology and a few servers of 128 megabytes of RAM (they were just programmers). Origin expected that the "niche" Ultima would have just a few thousands of subs but "unfortunately" were just about 200000 in the year of 1997. Of course you did not bother to answer that. I"m not sure if you are aware...but 200K IS a niche market now. You made some defensive assumptions, I never said it wasn't profitable. Matter of fact, with proper overhead control...and game running 15K players will be profitable. The real fact you are missing is that all of these niche FFA games combined don't come close to the combined sub base of the mainstream market....even WITHOUT taking WoW's subs into consideration. That makes it a niche market. I never said anything bad about it BEING a niche market. I happen to like several such things. My point is that AoC is not trying to be a niche market...its merely trying to add new elements to the mainstream market already in place. They quite literally have nothing to fear from a niche game releasing. Said game will only steal players in other games which are similar...history has proven that class/level players stick to that system.
Another fact is that i and many other players had enjoyed SWG PRE CU until they turned it into another linear mmo which even now has features inherited from the efforts of its previous programmers with bugs that for some reason are still not fixed from the current dev team that it has. That's another fact too. SWG was a successful niche game. Its not alone in that, though I do think it still might have commanded the highest subs of its game type still today. The fact that WE enjoy such games does not remove the fact they are niche games. I said WE...I personally prefer them as well. You'll notice, I never once stated that I didn't like the ideals DF is running with. I prefer sandbox games with freeform advancement. I'm not stupid, though...and I realize that the games I like are not mainstream games for a few hundred reasons. I don't care about "mainstream" mmorpgs and if the devs that make these really cheap WOW clones are busy 80 hours a week they would not be able to come here and show off the features of their upcoming online games (unless they pay "developers" for chatting) but, i never saw any Darkfall developer come here to show off its features trying to make me preorder it. Darkfall has used MMORPG.com to update players about their game. Also, MOST often the people that come here for chats are lead devs...or coffee jockeys. Both of these two will have spare time for PR (Which is always planned by the company to get the word out about the game and build...essentially, FREE hype.) The actual backbone of the work being done is stuff you don't see...especially before release. The other 199 guys on the project are busy working. Or...are you suggesting that at some point you've actually SEEN all 200 workers come here and talk? No? Of course you didn't. Since you are an experienced mmorpg developer and know that google is the source of truth for everything then please allow me to laugh. If you would rather use another means...there happens to be a forum on this site which has a few stickies detailing the process on a beginner level for you. Beyond that, you could always read up on some of the big name MMO company sites and do some searches on their teams. Most of them actually blog from time to time about the workload. If you do not think Google can provide you links to VERY factual information then I'm terribly sorry to inform you that you are wrong. I don't live in any kind of well crafted fantasy You do. Since you are satisfied from the current state of mmorpgs you will be also satisfied when every simple online game will be considered as an mmorpg using tools and engines that don't allow any kind of PVP interactions but just give the same feeling of success to everyone. And of course that's not gaming that's an illusion. Firstly, nothing I have said is imagined. The work that devs do is well documented, and it shows that these "simple" games you speak of take more work and more workers than DF is running with. Most of them also STILL flop. I can go on for days about how wrong you are about....welll....EVERYTHING, but its quite obvious that you lack the mental capacity to deal with the truth. You see, I DO like what DF is offering. I love SWG in its old days. I loved what UO tried to do (however, the massive amount of ganking ruined it for me...as I could never leave the starting city without being massacred.). I am watching Earthrise's development right now VERY hard because they are looking to offer the very same things you say you like. However, I am not ignorant. I am capable of cross-analyzing what goes on in this industry and realize that tons of work and money go into these games. The lack of either one results in POOR games. Look around for how much the EVE team spent on their game. Look at how many workers it takes to keep it running. Connect teh dots. At the end of all of this...the point is that you are being a shill for a company that has really shafted its fans. They have spent a ton of time hyping this crap, and have practically nothing to show for it. They owe YOU far more than they are giving you, and frankly...your support of their slack-jawed, snails-crawl production is NOT helping you get the game you are wanting. You should demand far better from your gaming companies....ESPECIALLY after what SOE did to us with the NGE. I would have thought such an event would teach you a lesson about putting far too much trust in a company. Evidently, you enjoy the pain. It seems that you are just afraid of Darkfall and the lackeys behind you. We all share the same fear for Darkfall that we do the Boogieman. Oh sure, some people like to play him up like he's gonna eat you...but each time I open that closet the evidence is....decidedly lacking.
Somehow I get the feeling that AoC is also going to fall into that 'niche' bracket he talks about but he does also make some good points, there have been too many vapourware and failed games to trust any developer that promises the earth and doesn't even show you a rock.
Somehow I get the feeling that AoC is also going to fall into that 'niche' bracket he talks about but he does also make some good points, there have been too many vapourware and failed games to trust any developer that promises the earth and doesn't even show you a rock.
The best part of this.....
.....is that I actually don't care much for AoC. I've tossed my lot with class/level games for as long as I'm gonna. None of the big up-and-comers really strike my fancy (though WAR does have really neat features, I won't lie and say they don't. If it were not so Class/Level focused I'd actually consider it HARD)
Say whatever you want about AoC, the game might not be as good as the hype makes it out to be but one thing is for sure, its already better than DarkFall. You keep on trolling each other in the darkfall forums for another decade maybe by the time you're all 40 you'll realize you've been had.
41, guess I've been had. I'm glad I've extremely cautiously optimistic about this game. No disappoint to be had here if it never arrives. I expect as much.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
Hm.. hes awfully snarky for a guy that claimed over a year ago that AoC supported 200+ person sieges, and yet we havent seen a single vid of pvp with more than a few players on screen. There is some degree of irony involved when Funcom starts taking to people about providing proof, when they have hidden behind their precious nda for so long. I wonder what the weather is like up on that pedastal of his?
Aye it makes you wonder. I think he is overlooking some heavy wind approaching from south as we speak, which might even crush the hype bubble he sits in.
Just feel sorry for the poor sods that pre-ordered something they havent a clue about. Invisible walls, advertising ingame and most likely sever lag issues during large scaled battles. And reading all threads/replies on the AoC board about where to buy the fastest computer at best price just makes me wonder, have Funcom made a game for the common player? Or do you have to invest in some new hardware?
Hm.. hes awfully snarky for a guy that claimed over a year ago that AoC supported 200+ person sieges, and yet we havent seen a single vid of pvp with more than a few players on screen. There is some degree of irony involved when Funcom starts taking to people about providing proof, when they have hidden behind their precious nda for so long. I wonder what the weather is like up on that pedastal of his?
Aye it makes you wonder. I think he is overlooking some heavy wind approaching from south as we speak, which might even crush the hype bubble he sits in.
Just feel sorry for the poor sods that pre-ordered something they havent a clue about. Invisible walls, advertising ingame and most likely sever lag issues during large scaled battles. And reading all threads/replies on the AoC board about where to buy the fastest computer at best price just makes me wonder, have Funcom made a game for the common player? Or do you have to invest in some new hardware?
Just to be fair, they've said for a long time now, if you can play Oblivion, you can play AoC, just not on max settings. Not on max settings means your gameplay will not resemble the screen shots. I've found that out the hardway when I got duped with NWN2.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
Darkfall = Vaporware simple as that... i am laughing so hard on my chair after reading 4 pages long of reply.. and there are still fanboi trying to defend DF.. I am not a fan of AoC but at least they have something real not some VAPORWARE!! Kudos to those DF fanboi.. this is my first post in 3 years... i just cant help it...
First, they did not "start" over in 2004. They went through a graphical upgrade because development was taking so long their old stuff looked like ass. So, right out the gate....I have to deal with some more lies around here to cover up for the fact that this dev team is junk. True they started over in mid 2003 when Razorwax and Aventurine merged. Better equipment, finances, more devs and most important a higher ambition level were the foundations for the "restart" of a way more ambitious project then the 4 enthusiasts in Norway could ever accomplish on their own. If you choose to call it a "restart" is up to you though. This quote is a good one from a Darkfall moderator- [QUOTE] Unahim-
Well, if you ask me if you build, for example, a house and then tear it down half way, and then start again with the same general plans you don't count the time spend on the first incomplete house when determining how long it took to build the house that was completed.
And so I think the same thing about the development of a game. [/QUOTE] And if you dont like the word restart lets settle for game under development now is something that sprung from the merge of those 2 companies late 2002.
Second, there is not going to be a beta this year. I don't care what some PR pusher from DF told you. They do not have the sort of media ready for teh community that any other game about to hit beta would have. Any assertion that they are simply "hiding" that kind of media is bull as well. They have nothing to hide....any material they are working on would have been copyrighted the moment it stopped being on paper only. No game company in their right mind refuses to showcase their product "just because". Well now, can you give me some proof/ info that back your statement " They do not have the sort of media ready for teh community that any other game about to hit beta would have. " If you cant back it then i guess you pulled it out from your ass. And personally i prefer a game thats not overhyped like Age of Conan where you actually buy the pig before you seen it. Thats plain and simple- being greedy. I liked this little statement from Tasos from the latest developer journal and i quote- [QUOTE] http://www.warcry.com/articles/view/devjournals/darkfalljournals/3070-Darkfall-Dev-Journal-24-Full-Freedom-Gameplay-and-Substance.2 Speaking of public beta, I read someone wished we would give a date, and equated that to professionalism on our part. I won't disagree with that, however giving a public beta date in order to get preorders, even if that means you have to announce consecutive delays, while professional, is not part of our business model. We'll announce a public beta date when we know for sure that it's the right date. Until then, at best, we can give you an idea of our milestones. Darkfall preorders by the way aren't applicable. Our hope for Darkfall is that you won't spend a cent on the game until you've tried it and decided you want to play it. At the moment, our target for public beta/ playtesting is ASAP, and we're doing everything we can to get there. We want our public beta to be the full game; we want this period to be a solid gaming experience and not one day here and thirty minutes there. We want it to be fast, fun and stable. This is why at the moment we're engaged in heavy internal beta testing using professional testers to get the game ready. [/QUOTE] They dont gonna sell pre-ordered boxes of the game so infact they dont intend to ask a cent from the players before they had a chance to decide if its a game for them. Thats very honest if you ask me and its having faith in their own product. Whether beta arrives this year as i think it does is anybodies guess. Game seems to be just about finished though and just about all features is implemented. So lets hope for the best. And it seems to me that Darkfall get alot of attention over the net without a large expensive PR-section, dont you agree?=) Third, the AoC guy was perfectly in the right for his comments. If you bothered to read into CONTEXT...you would see it all came as a response to constant posts about making the game more like what darkfall promises. What he asserts is that, promises are pretty empty when they don't even have half a game to show for all the promises they have made. Reading between the lines also teaches us that he is suggesting that half of the stuff DF promised is pretty "out there" and that even a FULL dev team like they have on AoC probably couldn't pull all of that off with the polish needed to be successful. He is DEAD RIGHT. He is defending there product Age of Conan in a tasteless way by attacking the company he fears the most. He is scared. You gotta understand that "if" Darkfall delivers what they intend too Age of Conan will look like something "prehistory". And the lack of seeable information of Darkfall progression is making him even more scared and unsecure. Whether he is right or wrong isnt really the issue of this thread, its how he reacted, the tasteless attack on another game company. And neither you nor me can say it was justified. Last, but not least, you people talking about "loyatly" are real dumb. For starters, anyone can talk a good talk...and I can assure you that not even half of them are anywhere near deserving of loyalty at all. Beyond that, this is not some kind of cult...mmkay? They are a company, and they make products for consumers. The whole premise behind consumer loyalty is that they offer repeat business at the exclusion of others to a company which has proven to provide them with a quality product. DF doesn't exist, and its team has not delivered you ANY product....or even respectable information about what products they MIGHT be offering you later. Well, its really easy to be honest. Darkfall concept is just so unbelievably good and there is so many MMORPG players that have just about given up this genre. We dont wait for Age of Conan, nor Warhammer or any other under development. We would never lower ourself again to play another crappy MMORPG. Instead were waiting for the "Holy Grail" of MMORPG games, Darkfall. Whether were just daydreaming is to be seen. Ask yourself this- what give you or the totally unaware Age of Conan representative the right to jump all over our faith of a coming MMORPG that will suit our gameplay just about 100%? Feared of the unknown? Feared that Age of Conan will loose subs cause Darkfall took the genre to a new level? If i were that Age of Conan developer i would have hold my opinions to myself and let my own product speak for itself. And you dont find me on the Age of Conan board expressing my inner feelings about that game. Its just what lowlifes do. All that your "loyalty" does is spread their name in a massive PR hype which serves MOSTLY to help their business in their other projects. It does not get you a game, in fact....considering the sheer marketing potential of such "loyalty" I'd wager it could be very profitable to NEVER MAKE A GAME AT ALL. They save tons of dev costs...and get to be a worldwide hot topic term so that everything else they are making is easier to push. Ok, inform me what "other" business/ projects they is involved in, please? Again it seems to me your making up stories to fit your wall of text on a game you have very little insight in. As the rest of us. Just chill abit and next time you venture from your main board Age of Conan at least back your statements abit more. Now your just babbling.
...the same thing we've been seeing the whole time.
I'm starting to think that, based on these posts...particularly the one dragging up the year old quotes, these supporters are just now finding out about DF and haven't been following its history thus far.
If its all the same, I think I'll follow Earthrise. I mean...they JUST, essentially, announced their game at all and have practically as much information about it as these guys do. I'd love to buy into this "Darkfall is for realz" stuff....but, heh, the guys running THIS show are real slow and real sloppy. For me to truly believe any of this is real, I have to also believe that this team is fairly incompetent for not having more to show. Out of hundreds of electronic gaming conventions...they've showed up what, once? With nothing but a booth no less. I'm not sure I'd even wanna risk my hopes on it if it did get into beta.
...the same thing we've been seeing the whole time.
I'm starting to think that, based on these posts...particularly the one dragging up the year old quotes, these supporters are just now finding out about DF and haven't been following its history thus far.
If its all the same, I think I'll follow Earthrise. I mean...they JUST, essentially, announced their game at all and have practically as much information about it as these guys do. I'd love to buy into this "Darkfall is for realz" stuff....but, heh, the guys running THIS show are real slow and real sloppy. For me to truly believe any of this is real, I have to also believe that this team is fairly incompetent for not having more to show. Out of hundreds of electronic gaming conventions...they've showed up what, once? With nothing but a booth no less. I'm not sure I'd even wanna risk my hopes on it if it did get into beta.
On the contrary. I followed Darkfall from the beginning. And my faith in the game have never been stronger. Game is developing real well and the information from developers have never been as hi as of now. Aye im also looking into Earthrise but to be honest its far from what Darkfall is trying to achieve. I dont like safe zones in a game and thats why i wont play Earthrise.
You cant have same expectations on a small company as Aventurine then you can have on Blizzard. Theyre in different leagues. And dont you agree that having this "mysteries shimmer" over the Darkfall project have payed out real well. Many is following Darkfall whether they criticise it or being the fans of it.
Kinda smart if its a deliberate choice from them.=)
If you dont wanna play Darkfall you dont have too. Noone is twisting your arms. And if you wanna try it out you dont have to pay 50 cent, no preorders in Darkfall. Thats playing with open cards as i see it. And having confidence in your product.=)
True they started over in mid 2003 when Razorwax and Aventurine merged. Better equipment, finances, more devs and most important a higher ambition level were the foundations for the "restart" of a way more ambitious project then the 4 enthusiasts in Norway could ever accomplish on their own. If you choose to call it a "restart" is up to you though.
And if you dont like the word restart lets settle for game under development now is something that sprung from the merge of those 2 companies late 2002. I actually won't dwell on this part of your post...because I fear the discussion will turn into nothing but semantics. Naturally, I'm sure you agree, an argument over semantics is wasted time for both of us. So I'm gonna focus on the rest of this post for now. If you DO have something else to say about this part...I'll discuss with you in another post. For now, we move on.
Well now, can you give me some proof/ info that back your statement " They do not have the sort of media ready for teh community that any other game about to hit beta would have. " If you cant back it then i guess you pulled it out from your ass. And personally i prefer a game thats not overhyped like Age of Conan where you actually buy the pig before you seen it. Thats plain and simple- being greedy. I liked this little statement from Tasos from the latest developer journal and i quote- [QUOTE] http://www.warcry.com/articles/view/devjournals/darkfalljournals/3070-Darkfall-Dev-Journal-24-Full-Freedom-Gameplay-and-Substance.2 Speaking of public beta, I read someone wished we would give a date, and equated that to professionalism on our part. I won't disagree with that, however giving a public beta date in order to get preorders, even if that means you have to announce consecutive delays, while professional, is not part of our business model. We'll announce a public beta date when we know for sure that it's the right date. Until then, at best, we can give you an idea of our milestones. Darkfall preorders by the way aren't applicable. Our hope for Darkfall is that you won't spend a cent on the game until you've tried it and decided you want to play it. At the moment, our target for public beta/ playtesting is ASAP, and we're doing everything we can to get there. We want our public beta to be the full game; we want this period to be a solid gaming experience and not one day here and thirty minutes there. We want it to be fast, fun and stable. This is why at the moment we're engaged in heavy internal beta testing using professional testers to get the game ready. [/QUOTE] They dont gonna sell pre-ordered boxes of the game so infact they dont intend to ask a cent from the players before they had a chance to decide if its a game for them. Thats very honest if you ask me and its having faith in their own product. Whether beta arrives this year as i think it does is anybodies guess. Game seems to be just about finished though and just about all features is implemented. So lets hope for the best. And it seems to me that Darkfall get alot of attention over the net without a large expensive PR-section, dont you agree?=) I mean exactly what I said. They do not have the amount of media that any other company would have before going into beta. Its not just about hype man, its about showcasing the game for the players. Its been done this way since the birth of gaming media. Consoles do it, Pc games do it, MMO's...ESPECIALLY do it. The issue is that, words mean nothing in this industry. Early on in gaming history...words could sell something. Now, we've all played plenty of flops and broken promises. Hence the reason for all the gaming media you see about games in development. They have had nothing to show. They haven't even attended gaming conventions to showcase their product on a business level....I have NO doubts they will fail to present one on a consumer level as well.
He is defending there product Age of Conan in a tasteless way by attacking the company he fears the most. He is scared. You gotta understand that "if" Darkfall delivers what they intend too Age of Conan will look like something "prehistory". And the lack of seeable information of Darkfall progression is making him even more scared and unsecure. Whether he is right or wrong isnt really the issue of this thread, its how he reacted, the tasteless attack on another game company. And neither you nor me can say it was justified. I cannot fathom why you think he is scared. His game will be release this year. WILL. On top of that they already have money slamming in from pre-orders. So, they aren't afraid financially...thats for sure. Oh, and there is that whole "level/class" thing THEY are running with. I'm sure the important parts of this are gonna get lost on you...but I'll try anyway. Level/class? Yeah, its the mainstream system. On average....most players that already play in such an MMO, prefer such an MMO. It doesn't matter that both DF and AoC are KIND of PvP oriented. One is very obviously mass appeal in its market strategy...the other very obviously niche. They are from two entirely different spectrums...in fact, the players who are even remotely interested in darkfall wouldn't have given AoC a second glance anyway. I know I certainly haven't. As for the attack, it wasn't an attack. It was a point-blank statement of truth which was made in regard to THEIR players suggesting they should take some DF elements. He essentially said that there WAS no DF. Nor, in turn, was there any example of a game which could pull such a list of things off successfully. He didn't just sit down one day and write a blog to trash your vaporware. They brought it up, he said his piece about it. Considering his team is a seasoned and traveled development machine...I'm inclined to believe him when he thinks its a stretch that some small group can make all of that happen. Its neither here nor there....because THIS boils down to politics. Personally, I like to keep my politics and my gaming separate. Bottom line, I don't honestly CARE if he was trashing on somet other game. I am not interested in how "nice" or "well-behaved" these devs are. All I care is that they churn out a fun game. Since I'm not even interested IN their game...I'm even LESS inclined to care about the politics of some comment made a year ago. Well, its really easy to be honest. Darkfall concept is just so unbelievably good and there is so many MMORPG players that have just about given up this genre. We dont wait for Age of Conan, nor Warhammer or any other under development. We would never lower ourself again to play another crappy MMORPG. Instead were waiting for the "Holy Grail" of MMORPG games, Darkfall. Whether were just daydreaming is to be seen. Ask yourself this- what give you or the totally unaware Age of Conan representative the right to jump all over our faith of a coming MMORPG that will suit our gameplay just about 100%? Feared of the unknown? Feared that Age of Conan will loose subs cause Darkfall took the genre to a new level? If i were that Age of Conan developer i would have hold my opinions to myself and let my own product speak for itself. You don't have to "lower" yourself to those class/level piles of trash. There are plenty of other Sandboxes in development right now....go figure, turns out ITS now the powerword of the week. Most of them, in fact, already have more information about their game up...and more visible examples of their ACTUAL work being done. Oh, and there is also the matter of them actually attending gaming conventions and applicable business gatherings to prove they are...i dunno...REAL. As for why I personally "jump" on you...thats rather simple. If the ONLY fanbase this company had would balls up and actually start demanding they ACT like a gaming company with something to show...they MIGHT take a hint and start really greasing the gears a little. It would also take care of their little lying habit they've been prone to over the last several years. Worst case scenario...if they STILL acted like turds, then these other teams that are working on games which are cut from the same cloth as DF will definitely step up their game to secure the players that Darkfall refuses to actually TRY and keep. Its a win-win scenario...and creates a situation that can only be GOOD for the market. Ok, inform me what "other" business/ projects they is involved in, please? Again it seems to me your making up stories to fit your wall of text on a game you have very little insight in. As the rest of us. Just chill abit and next time you venture from your main board Age of Conan at least back your statements abit more. Now your just babbling. .... Are you serious? Because, for someone who is as supposedly supportive of this team as you say you are, you certainly don't show any interest in the companies history at all. Why in the deuce WOULDN'T you be curious, and thus have already investigated this yourself, about the qualifications of the team? I'll stop with the pointless "mini-attacks". They are not some "new" company. They have been together for some time...and have been making other products for some time now. Matter of fact, if memory serves, they were doing work for their country's military right before they began considering an MMO. I won't be bothered with linking info to you. Frankly, if you REALLY think this company is awesome you should have no qualms about doing this research yourself. Google the names of the companies involved....that should bring up all the basic info you would need. Hell, if you're lucky it might even bring up some yearly financial records too. I'll leave you with that. I can assure you, I'm not "making" anything up. The devs were very open about their company history, they might even still have the posts up that had them telling us what they have done in the past. I just can't believe that you were in disbelief when I said it. I really expected you "superfans" to at least know some very basics about the guys making your "holy grail". By the by, I can write a blog about some great game ideals too. I have, even. That doesn't mean I'm suddenly going to be the tourch bearer to the future of MMO gaming. You guys are REALLY going deep into left-field with some of the talk you spin.
But? Didnt the AoC/Darkfall bashing post had one year to the neck?
If this is true, then must this thread be labered as "mispractise", and any clever statement towards Darkfall that could be true....must be ignored. Otherwise it would look bad for Darkfall.
Still dont understand how they can talk shit , when weve seen more of AoC than darkfall in the what 7 years its been in development.
Darkfall devs take your heads out of your asses and show us something, then your trash talking will mean something until then you guys are just a bunch of tools who are wasting money and dont have anything but a few screnshots to show.
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You can't compete with an idea, that's for sure.
Taso seem pretty darn confident in there game so.
Who in there right mind would do that? at this point in time if there lieing taso and that whole dev company will get shot.
but no pre order try before you buy meh i doubt there lieing htey have no reason too now
Whoa there a minute, sonny. First, MUDs have had roomless constructs for better on five years (search for Kavir to learn more). Second, there's no technological barriers rather there are logical ones due to the fact that no one given feature of a program is fundamentally reshaping the modern computer (such as how computations are made or how I/O is done). It was the same in the 1960s and it's the same now, it's only the degree of return on computation that has changed.
So, yes, Darkfall can deliver what it has, the question is: can the developers make Darkfall in that do they even have the right number of developers, a decent software architect, and a good deal of capital? Those are the factors that matter in the feature set for Darkfall, not a new shiny GFX card or some mythical new way to compute (which there is none, btw, not even quantum computers add anything new to computation other than global paralellism, which many quantum computing theorists argue is a myth).
-- Brede
First of all I'm not your son, not your kid you will refer to me as sir, man, dude or mr.
Secondly MUDs didn't have graphics, you took the term to literally, by technology we are talking about graphics. When you add graphics you have boundaries.
Thirdly you have no idea about the computer world, apparently everything is great in your world. But in real life you got things called components and they can only run to a certain degree, there is tons of technological barriers, you can only push a video card/processor so hard. You need to remember not everyone has a super PC they have to go by standards and recommended stats of the majority.
Quadly Darkfall will not be a seamless world it's not possible they will need loading somewhere even if it is in the background you will notice it when you PC lags up a bit.
Please know what the hell you are talking about before you fly off the handle.
Athelan is spot on with his comments. I got fed up with all the promises DF made a few years ago, and moving on from there I've seen no evidence to back those claims up.
Some send a mail to Darkfall saying "please remember to bring your game client to the next E3"
Maybe the OP is not aware to prior history before those quotes..
Hm.. hes awfully snarky for a guy that claimed over a year ago that AoC supported 200+ person sieges, and yet we havent seen a single vid of pvp with more than a few players on screen. There is some degree of irony involved when Funcom starts taking to people about providing proof, when they have hidden behind their precious nda for so long.
I wonder what the weather is like up on that pedastal of his?
Waiting for: A skill-based MMO with Freedom and Consequence.
Woe to thee, the pierce-ed.
Say whatever you want about AoC, the game might not be as good as the hype makes it out to be but one thing is for sure, its already better than DarkFall. You keep on trolling each other in the darkfall forums for another decade
maybe by the time you're all 40 you'll realize you've been had.
Allim going to say is alot of people are going to be getting alot of i told you so here farily soon
Allim going to say is alot of people are going to be getting alot of i told you so here farily soon
You could be very well be right, but I think the bets should be on who gets told, the blind supporters or the bitter haters =P
Allim going to say is alot of people are going to be getting alot of i told you so here farily soon
You could be very well be right, but I think the bets should be on who gets told, the blind supporters or the bitter haters =P
Why do you call me a blind supporter? or anyone?
You obvouisly dont know whaat we are thinking.
We couldn't explain it to you or even give you proof because you just say we are lieing. or its was faked
Allim going to say is alot of people are going to be getting alot of i told you so here farily soon
You could be very well be right, but I think the bets should be on who gets told, the blind supporters or the bitter haters =P
Why do you call me a blind supporter? or anyone?
You obvouisly dont know whaat we are thinking.
We couldn't explain it to you or even give you proof because you just say we are lieing. or its was faked
If you don't understand why I used the terms "blind supporters" and "bitter haters" than you are the one that doesn't understand what's going on.
Somehow I get the feeling that AoC is also going to fall into that 'niche' bracket he talks about but he does also make some good points, there have been too many vapourware and failed games to trust any developer that promises the earth and doesn't even show you a rock.
.....is that I actually don't care much for AoC. I've tossed my lot with class/level games for as long as I'm gonna. None of the big up-and-comers really strike my fancy (though WAR does have really neat features, I won't lie and say they don't. If it were not so Class/Level focused I'd actually consider it HARD)
*yawn you naysayers are beggining to bore me.
Obviously know im right. I couldnt prove it if i tried.
So i guess you will see : )
41, guess I've been had. I'm glad I've extremely cautiously optimistic about this game. No disappoint to be had here if it never arrives. I expect as much.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
Aye it makes you wonder. I think he is overlooking some heavy wind approaching from south as we speak, which might even crush the hype bubble he sits in.
Just feel sorry for the poor sods that pre-ordered something they havent a clue about. Invisible walls, advertising ingame and most likely sever lag issues during large scaled battles. And reading all threads/replies on the AoC board about where to buy the fastest computer at best price just makes me wonder, have Funcom made a game for the common player? Or do you have to invest in some new hardware?
Aye it makes you wonder. I think he is overlooking some heavy wind approaching from south as we speak, which might even crush the hype bubble he sits in.
Just feel sorry for the poor sods that pre-ordered something they havent a clue about. Invisible walls, advertising ingame and most likely sever lag issues during large scaled battles. And reading all threads/replies on the AoC board about where to buy the fastest computer at best price just makes me wonder, have Funcom made a game for the common player? Or do you have to invest in some new hardware?
Just to be fair, they've said for a long time now, if you can play Oblivion, you can play AoC, just not on max settings. Not on max settings means your gameplay will not resemble the screen shots. I've found that out the hardway when I got duped with NWN2.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
Darkfall = Vaporware simple as that... i am laughing so hard on my chair after reading 4 pages long of reply.. and there are still fanboi trying to defend DF.. I am not a fan of AoC but at least they have something real not some VAPORWARE!! Kudos to those DF fanboi.. this is my first post in 3 years... i just cant help it...
...the same thing we've been seeing the whole time.
I'm starting to think that, based on these posts...particularly the one dragging up the year old quotes, these supporters are just now finding out about DF and haven't been following its history thus far.
If its all the same, I think I'll follow Earthrise. I mean...they JUST, essentially, announced their game at all and have practically as much information about it as these guys do. I'd love to buy into this "Darkfall is for realz" stuff....but, heh, the guys running THIS show are real slow and real sloppy. For me to truly believe any of this is real, I have to also believe that this team is fairly incompetent for not having more to show. Out of hundreds of electronic gaming conventions...they've showed up what, once? With nothing but a booth no less. I'm not sure I'd even wanna risk my hopes on it if it did get into beta.
...the same thing we've been seeing the whole time.
I'm starting to think that, based on these posts...particularly the one dragging up the year old quotes, these supporters are just now finding out about DF and haven't been following its history thus far.
If its all the same, I think I'll follow Earthrise. I mean...they JUST, essentially, announced their game at all and have practically as much information about it as these guys do. I'd love to buy into this "Darkfall is for realz" stuff....but, heh, the guys running THIS show are real slow and real sloppy. For me to truly believe any of this is real, I have to also believe that this team is fairly incompetent for not having more to show. Out of hundreds of electronic gaming conventions...they've showed up what, once? With nothing but a booth no less. I'm not sure I'd even wanna risk my hopes on it if it did get into beta.
On the contrary. I followed Darkfall from the beginning. And my faith in the game have never been stronger. Game is developing real well and the information from developers have never been as hi as of now. Aye im also looking into Earthrise but to be honest its far from what Darkfall is trying to achieve. I dont like safe zones in a game and thats why i wont play Earthrise.
You cant have same expectations on a small company as Aventurine then you can have on Blizzard. Theyre in different leagues. And dont you agree that having this "mysteries shimmer" over the Darkfall project have payed out real well. Many is following Darkfall whether they criticise it or being the fans of it.
Kinda smart if its a deliberate choice from them.=)
If you dont wanna play Darkfall you dont have too. Noone is twisting your arms. And if you wanna try it out you dont have to pay 50 cent, no preorders in Darkfall. Thats playing with open cards as i see it. And having confidence in your product.=)
But? Didnt the AoC/Darkfall bashing post had one year to the neck?
If this is true, then must this thread be labered as "mispractise", and any clever statement towards Darkfall that could be true....must be ignored. Otherwise it would look bad for Darkfall.
Thank you.
Well your memory just served you INCORRECTLY...
Still dont understand how they can talk shit , when weve seen more of AoC than darkfall in the what 7 years its been in development.
Darkfall devs take your heads out of your asses and show us something, then your trash talking will mean something until then you guys are just a bunch of tools who are wasting money and dont have anything but a few screnshots to show.