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AoC dropping like a sack of potatoes? Maybe not. Green light WAR?

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  • TorakTorak Member Posts: 4,905

    AoC will do very well.....for the people with the right hardware configuration. That is really what will prevent it from being a commercial success.

    What's going to create issues for MMO fans who can run it....its a bit linear up front, world doesn't feel very open up front. I don't know if that changes later on but it feels a lot like a single player RPG in the beginning. IMHO.

     

  • kitsunegirlkitsunegirl Member Posts: 525

    Originally posted by Grunties



    What does 3-4 months ago have to do with now? and you admit you havent played the game for 3-4 months and yet still claim to know the current state of the game. How can you know that is so if you havent played it in so long?
    Sounds like the only one spinning lies is you pandrax.

    You dont need to know the current state of affairs to have a soured opinion about something. If this person left with a bad impression of Mythic, then they arent as likely to go back and try it out again.

    First impressions are everything.

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  • GruntiesGrunties Member Posts: 859

     

    Originally posted by kitsunegirl


     
     
    You dont need to know the current state of affairs to have a soured opinion about something. If this person left with a bad impression of Mythic, then they arent as likely to go back and try it out again.
    First impressions are everything.

     

    His comment implied he knew the current state of the WAR client and how it compared to the current state of the AoC client, despite his own admittence he hasn't played the WAR beta for around 4 months. It doesn't matter what his first impression was, or whether or not it was soured. Its irrelevent. Not just because his impressions are opinion (4 months old opinion), but also because when you say words like FLAT OUT LIE that implies something factual. Which is impossible because he doesn't have the facts, so how could it be a flat out lie?

    Hell, I got in beta 4 months ago and I don't even know what the hell incident he is referring to with bad state of the client, I actually think he just made the whole thing up because he likes AoC.

    Waiting for: A skill-based MMO with Freedom and Consequence.
    Woe to thee, the pierce-ed.

  • PandraxPandrax Member UncommonPosts: 341

    Originally posted by Grunties


     
    Originally posted by kitsunegirl


     
     
    You dont need to know the current state of affairs to have a soured opinion about something. If this person left with a bad impression of Mythic, then they arent as likely to go back and try it out again.
    First impressions are everything.

     

    His comment implied he knew the current state of the WAR client and how it compared to the current state of the AoC client, despite his own admittence he hasn't played the WAR beta for around 4 months. It doesn't matter what his first impression was, or whether or not it was soured. Its irrelevent. Not just because his impressions are opinion (4 months old opinion), but also because when you say words like FLAT OUT LIE that implies something factual. Which is impossible because he doesn't have the facts, so how could it be a flat out lie?

    Hell, I got in beta 4 months ago and I don't even know what the hell incident he is referring to with bad state of the client, I actually think he just made the whole thing up because he likes AoC.

    If you are unable to comprehend what I said, I understand. I'll attempt to make it a little easier for you.

     

     You said Warhammer beta will be better then Age of conan Release, I said that was a lie and I told you why it was. Follow me so far? good. Now When I left warhammer beta they took down the beta, as in no one was playing it. They were getting ready for the "next" stage of beta. I never said I hated warhammer or I would never play it, but I did say their beta was in shambles and they were running out of time, just like all mmorpgs end up doing at some point in development.

    I really hope you understand that, if not I will not be able to help you. Next time you try to proclaim something, especially something like warhammer beta>aoc release, you really need to get your facts straight. Maybe the random children here will buy into your garbage but anyone who actually follows warhammer and age of conan have an idea of how both are really doing.

    As for warhammer beta NOW, I Couldn't tell but I do know they are having a lot of issues as any game in beta will have. Warhammer beta was and is no different than age of conan or any other beta.

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    Had I the heavens' embroidered cloths, Enwrought with golden and silver light, The blue and the dim and the dark cloths Of night and light and the half light, I would spread the cloths under your feet: But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams.

  • PandraxPandrax Member UncommonPosts: 341

    Originally posted by Torak


    AoC will do very well.....for the people with the right hardware configuration. That is really what will prevent it from being a commercial success.
    What's going to create issues for MMO fans who can run it....its a bit linear up front, world doesn't feel very open up front. I don't know if that changes later on but it feels a lot like a single player RPG in the beginning. IMHO.
     

    I agree with the whole issue with hardware. It is a very difficult task, and the average person who plays mmo's has no idea how to configure or even attempt to tweak their system to get it to work with age of conan. So what were left with is everyone complaining about how age of conan is so horrible, but the fact is a lot of the issues people are having is solvable through small tweaks and driver updates.

     

     As for the lack of a open world and single player feeling, I agree also. It feels very much like a singleplayer experience in the 1-20 range. From what funcom has said though, they wanted to go for a more linear and simplistic route for the "tutorial" which is essentially the 1-20 island. I can't really say much because of the NDA, but  the world does indeed open up a lot once you get out of the 1-20 tutorial, and it definitely has a mmo feel to it.

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    Had I the heavens' embroidered cloths, Enwrought with golden and silver light, The blue and the dim and the dark cloths Of night and light and the half light, I would spread the cloths under your feet: But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams.

  • GruntiesGrunties Member Posts: 859
    Originally posted by pandrax


     
    If you are unable to comprehend what I said, I understand. I'll attempt to make it a little easier for you.
     
     
     You said Warhammer beta will be better then Age of conan Release, I said that was a lie and I told you why it was. Follow me so far? good. Now When I left warhammer beta they took down the beta, as in no one was playing it. They were getting ready for the "next" stage of beta. I never said I hated warhammer or I would never play it, but I did say their beta was in shambles and they were running out of time, just like all mmorpgs end up doing at some point in development.
    I really hope you understand that, if not I will not be able to help you. Next time you try to proclaim something, especially something like warhammer beta>aoc release, you really need to get your facts straight. Maybe the random children here will buy into your garbage but anyone who actually follows warhammer and age of conan have an idea of how both are really doing.
    As for warhammer beta NOW, I Couldn't tell but I do know they are having a lot of issues as any game in beta will have. Warhammer beta was and is no different than age of conan or any other beta.



    You've got me mixed up with the OP, mate. You attributed everything he said to me. I only called you out on your BS reply to him, in which you claimed a flat out lie in the face of 4 month old absense from the beta. It seems in addition to failing in your duty as a beta tester, you've also failed reading comprehension. Third times the charm?

    Waiting for: A skill-based MMO with Freedom and Consequence.
    Woe to thee, the pierce-ed.

  • LeucentLeucent Member Posts: 2,371
    Originally posted by pandrax


     
    Originally posted by Grunties


     
    Originally posted by kitsunegirl


     
     
    You dont need to know the current state of affairs to have a soured opinion about something. If this person left with a bad impression of Mythic, then they arent as likely to go back and try it out again.
    First impressions are everything.

     

    His comment implied he knew the current state of the WAR client and how it compared to the current state of the AoC client, despite his own admittence he hasn't played the WAR beta for around 4 months. It doesn't matter what his first impression was, or whether or not it was soured. Its irrelevent. Not just because his impressions are opinion (4 months old opinion), but also because when you say words like FLAT OUT LIE that implies something factual. Which is impossible because he doesn't have the facts, so how could it be a flat out lie?

    Hell, I got in beta 4 months ago and I don't even know what the hell incident he is referring to with bad state of the client, I actually think he just made the whole thing up because he likes AoC.

    If you are unable to comprehend what I said, I understand. I'll attempt to make it a little easier for you.

     

     

     You said Warhammer beta will be better then Age of conan Release, I said that was a lie and I told you why it was. Follow me so far? good. Now When I left warhammer beta they took down the beta, as in no one was playing it. They were getting ready for the "next" stage of beta. I never said I hated warhammer or I would never play it, but I did say their beta was in shambles and they were running out of time, just like all mmorpgs end up doing at some point in development.

    I really hope you understand that, if not I will not be able to help you. Next time you try to proclaim something, especially something like warhammer beta>aoc release, you really need to get your facts straight. Maybe the random children here will buy into your garbage but anyone who actually follows warhammer and age of conan have an idea of how both are really doing.

    As for warhammer beta NOW, I Couldn't tell but I do know they are having a lot of issues as any game in beta will have. Warhammer beta was and is no different than age of conan or any other beta.

    In beta and yes i can assure you it s in better shape then AOC is now. Take it for what it s worth but it is.

  • mcburlymcburly Member Posts: 234

    hahaha this post is so dumb the OP has got to be no older than 12. troll. whats with the whole AOC vs. WAR thing going on i dont get it. Both games are gonna be successful, other than WoW what big mmos out there do they have to compete with .....not much. So its a good chance both these games are gonna be successful. I for one prefer AOC over WAR because its a change of pace after how long i played WoW.  im sure war wil be pretty cool too it just seems to similar to a wow setting

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  • PandraxPandrax Member UncommonPosts: 341

    Originally posted by Grunties

    Originally posted by pandrax


     
    If you are unable to comprehend what I said, I understand. I'll attempt to make it a little easier for you.
     
     
     You said Warhammer beta will be better then Age of conan Release, I said that was a lie and I told you why it was. Follow me so far? good. Now When I left warhammer beta they took down the beta, as in no one was playing it. They were getting ready for the "next" stage of beta. I never said I hated warhammer or I would never play it, but I did say their beta was in shambles and they were running out of time, just like all mmorpgs end up doing at some point in development.
    I really hope you understand that, if not I will not be able to help you. Next time you try to proclaim something, especially something like warhammer beta>aoc release, you really need to get your facts straight. Maybe the random children here will buy into your garbage but anyone who actually follows warhammer and age of conan have an idea of how both are really doing.
    As for warhammer beta NOW, I Couldn't tell but I do know they are having a lot of issues as any game in beta will have. Warhammer beta was and is no different than age of conan or any other beta.



    You've got me mixed up with the OP, mate. You attributed everything he said to me. I only called you out on your BS reply to him, in which you claimed a flat out lie in the face of 4 month old absense from the beta. It seems in addition to failing in your duty as a beta tester, you've also failed reading comprehension. Third times the charm?

    Sorry, but I wasn't posting to the op, If I was I would of qouted him. as for my failing as a beta tester? No, I emailed mythic, told them of my situation and asked to be removed from the beta. I'm sure someone else who was actually willing to take their abuse  gobbled up my spot. It's hard testing for a company who doesn't like help from their own testers, but most mmo companies are like that, so it's hard to really complain about it I guess.

     

     And for the record, I don't care if you believe me or not, I just don't like when someone spews out how horrible something is when in fact it's sometimes just the opposite.  I also have a tendancy to come off rather coldhearted and rude, that's just how I type I guess.

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    Had I the heavens' embroidered cloths, Enwrought with golden and silver light, The blue and the dim and the dark cloths Of night and light and the half light, I would spread the cloths under your feet: But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams.

  • GruntiesGrunties Member Posts: 859
    Originally posted by pandrax


     
     
    Sorry, but I wasn't posting to the op, If I was I would of qouted him. as for my failing as a beta tester? No, I emailed mythic, told them of my situation and asked to be removed from the beta. I'm sure someone else who was actually willing to take their abuse  gobbled up my spot. It's hard testing for a company who doesn't like help from their own testers, but most mmo companies are like that, so it's hard to really complain about it I guess.
    You said I posted something I clearly didn't, I really don't know what more I can say on that. As for the rest, I'm sorry you felt you werent being listened to, I'm sure you are very important and your opinion is worth more than the other testers, and they are obligated to always follow your advice. But seriously, if you bowed out and let them know you were uninstalling, I give you credit for that. Though I can't imagine what could have happened to make you feel you were being abused.
     And for the record, I don't care if you believe me or not, I just don't like when someone spews out how horrible something is when in fact it's sometimes just the opposite.  I also have a tendancy to come off rather coldhearted and rude, that's just how I type I guess.



    You don't have to care. Just like I don't have to care. I've been lucky enough to play up-to-date versions of both, so I think I have enough factual data to form my own opinion, which is the one I do care about.



    But this isn't about me. :)

     

    Waiting for: A skill-based MMO with Freedom and Consequence.
    Woe to thee, the pierce-ed.

  • OiregOireg Member Posts: 54

    Originally posted by Phyluxia




    So, you can run dx10 full settings minus bloom/AA. Do you not see the fallacy in that? People want to run bloom/AA. That and the fact that your older system is 1) not  that bad of a system and 2) OC'd in some aspects. The average user does not OC their equipment. I'm talking baseline systems. Grats on your success wiht the game, but i'll stand by my statements. People will have issues running the game, as is already apparent by the AoC forums.
    PS: not sure how you're running DX10 and/or can assume how DX10 will run when it's not enabled in beta btw.
    Please tell me your joking...

    x1300 is not a dx10 card, and the x1300 is a low end card from the x1xx generation (the guy never said anything about dx10 btw)





  • Everybody shutup and look and this neutral unbias video comparision of AOC vs WAR. 



    www.vimeo.com/997994



    If you have any thing to say about the video, the e-mail is in the end of the video.

  • OiregOireg Member Posts: 54

    Originally posted by Celestian


     
     


    Bull crappage.
    It will require much more than a 500 dollar PC from Walmart to play AoC even at LOW settings. With dual 8800 GTX's (that's SLI) it still runs like a dog on low settings.
    I can imagine what it runs like on high on any thing less!
    Lets hope the new patch today cleans up a lot of issues but anyone saying that you can run AoC on anything remotely less than 8500s and current CPU are just trying to lie to people.

    Spewing crap like that hurts your agenda, its clear your either lieing or have not played since the last patch. If you have and are really getting that kind of performance you clearly have some major issues with your PC that are not AoC related.

    I have an 8800GT (just one), Core2 Duo E6850, 2GB Ram, WinXP.... after the patch yesterday I run at 40-60FPS at 1680 x 1050, High settings, 16xAF and 8xAA...

    It also plays fine on my wifes PC... 1.6 Core2 duo, 2GB ram, 7600GT, medium settings @ 1280x1024

    AoC has some issues, but after the last patch performance is not one of them.

  • onlinenow225onlinenow225 Member Posts: 381
    Originally posted by Crusher






    Everybody shutup and look and this neutral unbias video comparision of AOC vs WAR. 



    www.vimeo.com/997994



    If you have any thing to say about the video, the e-mail is in the end of the video.

    Unbiast my ass... he puts kiddy joking music and shows bull shit videos, while for AOC he has better music and better videos of the game... unbiast my ass

  • sirslayerrsirslayerr Member Posts: 128

    Personally, he chose music which was unfitting to both video samples. Although, the WAR one was more fitting. Not the choice I would have made, but it made it more entertaining. The AoC music made me bored. I play that kind of music when I'm killing people quickly, not spending 30 seconds standing in one spot beating on eachother hoping I win the fight by spamming the same 3 skills over and over.

    Also, the font used for the video was the same as AoC, which in addition I find to be very stupid. Thank you for helping prove how much I dislike AoC players. :-)

  • Originally posted by sirslayerr


    Thank you for helping prove how much I dislike AoC players. :-)

    You are welcome :D

  • GurtelroseGurtelrose Member Posts: 191

    Joined the Age of Conan open beta with no foreknowledge or expectations, but it still disappointed me a little. Really buggy and glitchy with constant fps drops to 1-3 fps despite the graphics being crappy (and my computer is more than good enough). Boring gameplay, classes are too similar to each other. Badly designed and unintuitive interface and controls.



    Don't tell me, "it's just an open beta, the real game is nothing like it, it's much better." The WoW beta was marvelous and singlehandedly made me get WoW after barely knowing about it beforehand. The AoC beta was mildly entertaining for a few hours, when it wasn't glithcing out and fpsdropping.



    Well I suppose the full game will add lots of nice features and maybe fix the bugs and glitches after a few patches. If it flops and they make it free later on like some unsuccessful MMORPG's do, it might be worth trying.

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  • Jerid13Jerid13 Member Posts: 465

     

    Originally posted by onlinenow225

    Originally posted by Crusher






    Everybody shutup and look and this neutral unbias video comparision of AOC vs WAR. 



    www.vimeo.com/997994



    If you have any thing to say about the video, the e-mail is in the end of the video.

    Unbiast my ass... he puts kiddy joking music and shows bull shit videos, while for AOC he has better music and better videos of the game... unbiast my ass

    I think Crusher was being seriously when they said they were a troll...

     

    The video is clearly made by an AoC fan, and he even admits to being a at the top of his post, so at the very least hes honest.

  • graillgraill Member Posts: 257

    Originally posted by altairzq


    Have you been reading the AoC forum? I never thought things would look so bad for that game. I bet this has a lot to do about WAR release being posponed, they knew they were safe making this move.
     
    It's looking very good for WAR, the more I look at it, the more I feel WAR will be a huge succes, I mean by the milions, maybe a few milions but that's a lot, maybe really hurting WOW if it is good enough. Sadly by good I mean appealing to the masses, this is the only fear I have.

    have you seen this guy trolling the forums?!! i never though things would look so bad for him. i bet this has alot to do with the recent hillary clinton interview on cinnamon roll baking.

    its looking very good for  making cinnamon rolls, the more i bake, the more folks look at my success at making them. maybe i will bake so many, millions will try them, maybe a few millions but that's alot, maybe really hurting WOW if they are good enough to make people stop and eat. sadly by good i mean appealing to the masses, this is the only fear i have....for cinnamon rolls that is.

    see op, totally pointless, like your subject.

    can you smell that?!!...............there is nothing quite like it.....................the smell of troll in the morning............i love that smell.

  • impulsebooksimpulsebooks Member Posts: 561

    Originally posted by Praxus


     "I never thought things would look so bad for that game"
    LOL, that is total BS! The consensus on AoC is that is a fun game; but the open beta has some bugs and you need a decent pc to run it.
    Plus I have seen MANY beta leaks saying that at least right now, AoC is way better than Warhammer.
     

    I have preordered WAR and AOC, but i do feel AOC has problems in some of its core mechanisms. I really don't like the way you are locked into quest dialogues. Read the age of Gank threads in the AOC forums if you think this is not a concern. Once you talk to an NPC you are bloody doomed. You have no way to know what is happening to you or fight back.

    THe old WOW quest text is boring, I know, but at least you could keep an eye out for that sneaky hordie coming up behind you and close the text window before he killed you. I have enjoyed what I have tried of Conan's PVE, but I really want to play the pvp part too. I think... I don't know it for fact yet... but I think the PvP part of Conan is going to be massive greif/gank cycle with campers at res points and instance doors (of which there are millions).

    Zoning into everywhere means a gankers paradise. Iknow why Funcom did it, I agree that the game is gorgeous to look at and needs zoning to have even a chance to work, but it hurts gameplay.

    Anyway, I'm going to play Conan and try both server rulesets, but when WAR comes out I have a feeling I will be relieved.

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  • RageaholRageahol Member UncommonPosts: 1,127
    Originally posted by impulsebooks


     
    Originally posted by Praxus


     "I never thought things would look so bad for that game"
    LOL, that is total BS! The consensus on AoC is that is a fun game; but the open beta has some bugs and you need a decent pc to run it.
    Plus I have seen MANY beta leaks saying that at least right now, AoC is way better than Warhammer.
     

     

    I have preordered WAR and AOC, but i do feel AOC has problems in some of its core mechanisms. I really don't like the way you are locked into quest dialogues. Read the age of Gank threads in the AOC forums if you think this is not a concern. Once you talk to an NPC you are bloody doomed. You have no way to know what is happening to you or fight back.

    THe old WOW quest text is boring, I know, but at least you could keep an eye out for that sneaky hordie coming up behind you and close the text window before he killed you. I have enjoyed what I have tried of Conan's PVE, but I really want to play the pvp part too. I think... I don't know it for fact yet... but I think the PvP part of Conan is going to be massive greif/gank cycle with campers at res points and instance doors (of which there are millions).

    Zoning into everywhere means a gankers paradise. Iknow why Funcom did it, I agree that the game is gorgeous to look at and needs zoning to have even a chance to work, but it hurts gameplay.

    Anyway, I'm going to play Conan and try both server rulesets, but when WAR comes out I have a feeling I will be relieved.

    I agree with you... this system is just not right for the PVP AoC is trying to bring to the table

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  • Ascension08Ascension08 Member Posts: 1,980
    Originally posted by Fion


     
    Originally posted by onlinenow225

    Originally posted by Crusher






    Everybody shutup and look and this neutral unbias video comparision of AOC vs WAR. 



    www.vimeo.com/997994



    If you have any thing to say about the video, the e-mail is in the end of the video.

    Unbiast my ass... he puts kiddy joking music and shows bull shit videos, while for AOC he has better music and better videos of the game... unbiast my ass

     

    Lol he was clearly joking lol. Very biased to be sure. However, the music isn't 'kiddy joking music' it's Benny Hill music. Classic, just classic. Course, if your not over like 25 you've probly never heard of the guy.

    Crusher is not a complete troll. If you look at the Hype-meter for WAR, he gave it a 5, not a 1! Hooray!!! /sarcasm

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    Order of the White Border.

  • Originally posted by Fion


    Lol he was clearly joking lol. Very biased to be sure. However, the music isn't 'kiddy joking music' it's Benny Hill music. Classic, just classic. Course, if your not over like 25 you've probly never heard of the guy.



    Damn, I gave away my age by using the theme song of Benny Hill. I thought the WAR community where not older then 14 ;)



    www.youtube.com/watch

  • Originally posted by Ascension08


    Crusher is not a complete troll. If you look at the Hype-meter for WAR, he gave it a 5, not a 1! Hooray!!! /sarcasm

    To be honest. I saw some new video of WAR showing the class selection screen. Damn it look

    really good compared to the beta footage. They had really caught the spirit, look and animation

    of Warhammer. I really hope they can keep that quality all the way to release. I'm not sure If

    I can edit my Hype setting for war, but due to that awesome class select video, I would change my

    hype point to 5.01 :) ,nah just kidding .. 6.5, or even 7 if i saw more good stuff.

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