The devs promised the release of WAR at the beginning of fall...... and in order to keep that promise and not deliver a game that is incomplete, they have decided to cut some things out until they can be improved.
Am I the only having trouble with this concept? In order to not be incomplete, cut incomplete content?
At the end of the day Mythic can do what they want, and the consumer has the choice to buy or not, it's that simple. My only issue is with the "truthful" excuse, and then everyone applauding their honestly like mindless robots. I understand where you're coming from, with so many previous disaapointments from other MMO companies, it's a change to get any notice whatsoever...but, we're cutting because couldn't make the classes "GREAT"?!?!? The game is better off with 2 cities at a time than 6?!?!?
C'mon, in my opinion a half-truth is worse thana lie. They fell behind and didn't want to delay again, and they were slacking on art and mechanics of these classes and cities, so they cut them. It's not for the betterment of the game, it isn't ideal, and it will have some effect on the gameplay as a whole. They just decided the pros of launching earlier outweigh the cons of shipping without some critical features the game was designed around... and I'm cool with that. Just don't BS.
The devs promised the release of WAR at the beginning of fall...... and in order to keep that promise and not deliver a game that is incomplete, they have decided to cut some things out until they can be improved.
Am I the only having trouble with this concept? In order to not be incomplete, cut incomplete content?
At the end of the day Mythic can do what they want, and the consumer has the choice to buy or not, it's that simple. My only issue is with the "truthful" excuse, and then everyone applauding their honestly like mindless robots. I understand where you're coming from, with so many previous disaapointments from other MMO companies, it's a change to get any notice whatsoever...but, we're cutting because couldn't make the classes "GREAT"?!?!? The game is better off with 2 cities at a time than 6?!?!?
C'mon, in my opinion a half-truth is worse thana lie. They fell behind and didn't want to delay again, and they were slacking on art and mechanics of these classes and cities, so they cut them. It's not for the betterment of the game, it isn't ideal, and it will have some effect on the gameplay as a whole. They just decided the pros of launching earlier outweigh the cons of shipping without some critical features the game was designed around... and I'm cool with that. Just don't BS.
So you have insider news on Mythic's real reasons? Please tell us everything!
---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Guys! I'm hopelessly lost in a mountain of mole hills! Them damn moles!
The devs promised the release of WAR at the beginning of fall...... and in order to keep that promise and not deliver a game that is incomplete, they have decided to cut some things out until they can be improved.
Am I the only having trouble with this concept? In order to not be incomplete, cut incomplete content?
At the end of the day Mythic can do what they want, and the consumer has the choice to buy or not, it's that simple. My only issue is with the "truthful" excuse, and then everyone applauding their honestly like mindless robots. I understand where you're coming from, with so many previous disaapointments from other MMO companies, it's a change to get any notice whatsoever...but, we're cutting because couldn't make the classes "GREAT"?!?!? The game is better off with 2 cities at a time than 6?!?!?
C'mon, in my opinion a half-truth is worse thana lie. They fell behind and didn't want to delay again, and they were slacking on art and mechanics of these classes and cities, so they cut them. It's not for the betterment of the game, it isn't ideal, and it will have some effect on the gameplay as a whole. They just decided the pros of launching earlier outweigh the cons of shipping without some critical features the game was designed around... and I'm cool with that. Just don't BS.
So you have insider news on Mythic's real reasons? Please tell us everything!
you joined 14 days ago, and have 260+ posts, all in the WAR forum... You seem like the expert? You don't live in or around Fairfax, VA by chance do you?
Mythic is lucky for your timely sign-up and dedication of support, right around the time of this announcement.
The devs promised the release of WAR at the beginning of fall...... and in order to keep that promise and not deliver a game that is incomplete, they have decided to cut some things out until they can be improved.
Am I the only having trouble with this concept? In order to not be incomplete, cut incomplete content?
At the end of the day Mythic can do what they want, and the consumer has the choice to buy or not, it's that simple. My only issue is with the "truthful" excuse, and then everyone applauding their honestly like mindless robots. I understand where you're coming from, with so many previous disaapointments from other MMO companies, it's a change to get any notice whatsoever...but, we're cutting because couldn't make the classes "GREAT"?!?!? The game is better off with 2 cities at a time than 6?!?!?
C'mon, in my opinion a half-truth is worse thana lie. They fell behind and didn't want to delay again, and they were slacking on art and mechanics of these classes and cities, so they cut them. It's not for the betterment of the game, it isn't ideal, and it will have some effect on the gameplay as a whole. They just decided the pros of launching earlier outweigh the cons of shipping without some critical features the game was designed around... and I'm cool with that. Just don't BS.
Cutting incomplete features or content to meet a deadline is standard business pratices in the software industry (and not just games) especially if said features or content doesnt' remove that basic requirements for the software to be usable. In this case the removal of 4 classes adn 4 cities does not remove the basic requirements for the game to be considered feature complete. Every feature they've sworn to in the last year is in the game. We have end game still, we have keeps still, we have lots classes to choose from, we have open world rvr, scenarios, pq's, the tok, the dye system..etc etc.
Essentially ever SYSTEM aka FEATURE they promised is there...the only difference is a few variation choices are gone. These variatioins are techincally not necessary in order to deliver a complete project. How ever if they were included at launch in their current state everyone would WHINE up a storm that they're subpar compared to X peice of content or the class SUCKS and ask for constant nerfs & buffs.
Basically what you've said has been said alot so I'll just elaborate on your clever title...Failhammer or Warfail: Age of Failure or Warhamfailer...I bet we'll see alot of these lame variations when we get sooner to release. Mythic knew it was a hard decision but they also knew how long it'd take to get what they wanted with the cities/classes...and they simply thought the delay would be too long and they wanted a solid launch, so they decided to put the incomplete things on hold and work on adding them in later. Tons of devs promise things then don't deliver; Mythic has the balls to do it 3 months before release so you can cancel your pre-order if you don't like it.
My vote's on Warhamfailer. LOL
Or howabout Failurehammer Offline: Age of Refunding
The devs promised the release of WAR at the beginning of fall...... and in order to keep that promise and not deliver a game that is incomplete, they have decided to cut some things out until they can be improved.
Am I the only having trouble with this concept? In order to not be incomplete, cut incomplete content?
At the end of the day Mythic can do what they want, and the consumer has the choice to buy or not, it's that simple. My only issue is with the "truthful" excuse, and then everyone applauding their honestly like mindless robots. I understand where you're coming from, with so many previous disaapointments from other MMO companies, it's a change to get any notice whatsoever...but, we're cutting because couldn't make the classes "GREAT"?!?!? The game is better off with 2 cities at a time than 6?!?!?
C'mon, in my opinion a half-truth is worse thana lie. They fell behind and didn't want to delay again, and they were slacking on art and mechanics of these classes and cities, so they cut them. It's not for the betterment of the game, it isn't ideal, and it will have some effect on the gameplay as a whole. They just decided the pros of launching earlier outweigh the cons of shipping without some critical features the game was designed around... and I'm cool with that. Just don't BS.
So you have insider news on Mythic's real reasons? Please tell us everything!
you joined 14 days ago, and have 260+ posts, all in the WAR forum... You seem like the expert? You don't live in or around Fairfax, VA by chance do you?
Mythic is lucky for your timely sign-up and dedication of support, right around the time of this announcement.
Yet you still havn't told us your insider information. I know you must be sleeping with one of the Devs to know the REAL reason why they are doing what they are doing.
Also found it funny that in the year you have been on theses boards you have contributed only 12 times to any conversation yet the person you attack who has been here less than a month has contributed 260+ times.
But thats only if you count how long they have been on the board and post counts
Cutting incomplete features or content to meet a deadline is standard business pratices in the software industry (and not just games) especially if said features or content doesnt' remove that basic requirements for the software to be usable. In this case the removal of 4 classes adn 4 cities does not remove the basic requirements for the game to be considered feature complete. Every feature they've sworn to in the last year is in the game. We have end game still, we have keeps still, we have lots classes to choose from, we have open world rvr, scenarios, pq's, the tok, the dye system..etc etc.
Essentially ever SYSTEM aka FEATURE they promised is there...the only difference is a few variation choices are gone. These variatioins are techincally not necessary in order to deliver a complete project. How ever if they were included at launch in their current state everyone would WHINE up a storm that they're subpar compared to X peice of content or the class SUCKS and ask for constant nerfs & buffs.
Well this is the subjective part. My view is the game has been advertised as three fronts in a constant state of war, Greenskins vs. Dwarfs, Empire vs. Chaos, High Elfs vs. Dark Elves. How you can have fronts missing integral classes like TANKS, i don't know. Actually I do know...you are either making a statment that the distiguishment and importance of classes is non-exhistent, which is bigger issue than any type of cut possible...or it is consequential and necessary but you're shipping the game incomplete. You can't have yoru cake and eat it too, as the saying goes.
I don't mind WAR launching with cut content but it has to be good. I'm pretty sure the average player won't be blowing through the game that fast. By the time they want something new the other cities should be arriving.
No one promised you anything. They told you what was planned. There's a difference. When you start developing an MMOG, you have know way of knowing exactly what you can or can't deliver by the release date.
Cutting incomplete features or content to meet a deadline is standard business pratices in the software industry (and not just games) especially if said features or content doesnt' remove that basic requirements for the software to be usable. In this case the removal of 4 classes adn 4 cities does not remove the basic requirements for the game to be considered feature complete. Every feature they've sworn to in the last year is in the game. We have end game still, we have keeps still, we have lots classes to choose from, we have open world rvr, scenarios, pq's, the tok, the dye system..etc etc.
Essentially ever SYSTEM aka FEATURE they promised is there...the only difference is a few variation choices are gone. These variatioins are techincally not necessary in order to deliver a complete project. How ever if they were included at launch in their current state everyone would WHINE up a storm that they're subpar compared to X peice of content or the class SUCKS and ask for constant nerfs & buffs.
Well this is the subjective part. My view is the game has been advertised as three fronts in a constant state of war, Greenskins vs. Dwarfs, Empire vs. Chaos, High Elfs vs. Dark Elves. How you can have fronts missing integral classes like TANKS, i don't know. Actually I do know...you are either making a statment that the distiguishment and importance of classes is non-exhistent, which is bigger issue than any type of cut possible...or it is consequential and necessary but you're shipping the game incomplete. You can't have yoru cake and eat it too, as the saying goes.
Alot of people want to break the Holy Trinity of tank, healer, DPS. "Roar I'm a guy in heavy armor and I'll draw the attention of this massive beast away from 20 of my friends who are burning, shooting, stabbing, crushing, blasting, zapping, and generally inflicting pain on it by...TAUNTING...calling it's momma fat." Yeah, that's so realistic. Not saying WAR will break anything, I'm sure tanks and healers and DPS all have their roles...but they blur the lines alot. Healers have to DPS to actually heal better, that sort of thing. I wouldn't be surprised if they made content less reliant on tanks, especially if they cut 2 of them from the launch, knowing the importance tanks have...in most MMOs.
-------------------------------------- A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"
I don't mind WAR launching with cut content but it has to be good. I'm pretty sure the average player won't be blowing through the game that fast. By the time they want something new the other cities should be arriving.
But graphics still look like crap. I saw some later probably doctored screens that looked great. Good definition and detail on models. But vids tell another story. I don't care how great the gameplay is if instead of feeling immersed I'm imagining how much better they could have made it look it ruins the whole experience.
The devs promised the release of WAR at the beginning of fall...... and in order to keep that promise and not deliver a game that is incomplete, they have decided to cut some things out until they can be improved.
Am I the only having trouble with this concept? In order to not be incomplete, cut incomplete content?
At the end of the day Mythic can do what they want, and the consumer has the choice to buy or not, it's that simple. My only issue is with the "truthful" excuse, and then everyone applauding their honestly like mindless robots. I understand where you're coming from, with so many previous disaapointments from other MMO companies, it's a change to get any notice whatsoever...but, we're cutting because couldn't make the classes "GREAT"?!?!? The game is better off with 2 cities at a time than 6?!?!?
C'mon, in my opinion a half-truth is worse thana lie. They fell behind and didn't want to delay again, and they were slacking on art and mechanics of these classes and cities, so they cut them. It's not for the betterment of the game, it isn't ideal, and it will have some effect on the gameplay as a whole. They just decided the pros of launching earlier outweigh the cons of shipping without some critical features the game was designed around... and I'm cool with that. Just don't BS.
So you have insider news on Mythic's real reasons? Please tell us everything!
you joined 14 days ago, and have 260+ posts, all in the WAR forum... You seem like the expert? You don't live in or around Fairfax, VA by chance do you?
Mythic is lucky for your timely sign-up and dedication of support, right around the time of this announcement.
Yet you still havn't told us your insider information. I know you must be sleeping with one of the Devs to know the REAL reason why they are doing what they are doing.
Also found it funny that in the year you have been on theses boards you have contributed only 12 times to any conversation yet the person you attack who has been here less than a month has contributed 260+ times.
But thats only if you count how long they have been on the board and post counts
or if they have multiple accounts Capn23. Do you think me an idiot? You have this account you're posting from registered for the last 5 years yet have only posted 8 times all in the Warhammer forums as well? And usually as support for your own posts. Good idea, agree with yourself on your posts under different accounts, so that someone actually agrees with you. Genius.
This is a realm vs realm if they are in your realm you can fight with them its that simple stop beating the dead horse there is no point. Myhtic is giving you 20 classes to choose from damn let it go. Give them a break they will have more classes in the time to come look at dark age of camelot enough said it has over 41 unique classes. Wait til the game comes out then unleash all your hate til then wait.
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The devs promised the release of WAR at the beginning of fall...... and in order to keep that promise and not deliver a game that is incomplete, they have decided to cut some things out until they can be improved.
Am I the only having trouble with this concept? In order to not be incomplete, cut incomplete content?
At the end of the day Mythic can do what they want, and the consumer has the choice to buy or not, it's that simple. My only issue is with the "truthful" excuse, and then everyone applauding their honestly like mindless robots. I understand where you're coming from, with so many previous disaapointments from other MMO companies, it's a change to get any notice whatsoever...but, we're cutting because couldn't make the classes "GREAT"?!?!? The game is better off with 2 cities at a time than 6?!?!?
C'mon, in my opinion a half-truth is worse thana lie. They fell behind and didn't want to delay again, and they were slacking on art and mechanics of these classes and cities, so they cut them. It's not for the betterment of the game, it isn't ideal, and it will have some effect on the gameplay as a whole. They just decided the pros of launching earlier outweigh the cons of shipping without some critical features the game was designed around... and I'm cool with that. Just don't BS.
So you have insider news on Mythic's real reasons? Please tell us everything!
you joined 14 days ago, and have 260+ posts, all in the WAR forum... You seem like the expert? You don't live in or around Fairfax, VA by chance do you?
Mythic is lucky for your timely sign-up and dedication of support, right around the time of this announcement.
Yet you still havn't told us your insider information. I know you must be sleeping with one of the Devs to know the REAL reason why they are doing what they are doing.
Also found it funny that in the year you have been on theses boards you have contributed only 12 times to any conversation yet the person you attack who has been here less than a month has contributed 260+ times.
But thats only if you count how long they have been on the board and post counts
or if they have multiple accounts Capn23. Do you think me an idiot? You have this account you're posting from registered for the last 5 years yet have only posted 8 times all in the Warhammer forums as well? And usually as support for your own posts. Good idea, agree with yourself on your posts under different accounts, so that someone actually agrees with you. Genius.
Oh wow you think I'm the Capn aye. Well your wrong. Again I said that for somebody attacking somebody else for not being here that long you sure have a low post count. I'm not the one who came on here and did that. I'm fully aware I don't have that many posts and that I've trolled these forums and others for a long time. But you won't catch me telling somebody who has 50 times more posts than I that I don't know what they are talking about because they havn't been subscribed for that long.
The devs promised the release of WAR at the beginning of fall...... and in order to keep that promise and not deliver a game that is incomplete, they have decided to cut some things out until they can be improved.
Am I the only having trouble with this concept? In order to not be incomplete, cut incomplete content?
At the end of the day Mythic can do what they want, and the consumer has the choice to buy or not, it's that simple. My only issue is with the "truthful" excuse, and then everyone applauding their honestly like mindless robots. I understand where you're coming from, with so many previous disaapointments from other MMO companies, it's a change to get any notice whatsoever...but, we're cutting because couldn't make the classes "GREAT"?!?!? The game is better off with 2 cities at a time than 6?!?!?
C'mon, in my opinion a half-truth is worse thana lie. They fell behind and didn't want to delay again, and they were slacking on art and mechanics of these classes and cities, so they cut them. It's not for the betterment of the game, it isn't ideal, and it will have some effect on the gameplay as a whole. They just decided the pros of launching earlier outweigh the cons of shipping without some critical features the game was designed around... and I'm cool with that. Just don't BS.
People are acting like they cut a huge amount of content. The cities didn't make up a huge amount of content. The doom and gloomers seem to forget every other MMO cut stuff, and on top of that they kept it hidden from the public.
So, in you opinion, you'd rather come launch day and find out about the missing content, rather than them telling us now? The classes were there bud, they just weren't up to par. Mythic has experienced constant buff/nerf to classes post launch, and they realize that's a HUGE downfall to MMOs, especially with their RvR. They don't want to go through that, because if you buff/nerf one classes, you're going to have to do it to the others, and it's a constant cycle.
The cities weren't there, but Mythic admitted they were behind on the cities. They decided instead of trying to finish all 6 cities and making mistakes, that it'd be better to focus on the quality of two cities.
I know it's a hard concept for a lot of doom and gloomers to understand, but for once a company is putting Quality > Quantity. Like I said earlier, Mythic was upfront, and even blunt about if you don't like their choices about the development of the game, then you can cancel your preorder. That is, after all, why they told us now instead of at launch.
It's not an easy job, they have to make choices that some of us won't like. But in the end, I agree with Mark. The ones that really cancel their preorders are a very small minority to the ones who will suck it up and move on, and the ones that understand why they did what they did.
My issue is not with the cut content...I mean i do have issues with it but it's a fact of life for MMO's before launch and nothing unexpected. My singlular issue was witht he issues given. the initial explanation was that with no amount of extra time, woudl they have been able to make the classes "work", even though two of the classes cut are mirrors to classes that will make launch.
Clearly time is an issue to me, and if they just would have said "We don't want to miss this window so we're releasing without "x content"...fine. But so many fan boys applauding any notice and applauding mythics "honesty", they are blinding buying into the excuse given that if you step back for a second, you might realize is BS. So in short, if you're going to be honest, be honest. They're certainly getting kudos form a majority of fanboys out there...which I feel is undeserved. That is my point. Do I have inside information? No, But I have a relatively centered ide of common sense, and this does not pass the common sense test to any rational person.
Its your opinion that they're being dishonest. I think they're being pretty honest. If you hate it so much then don't buy the game, cancel your pre order if you have one. They've notified you with in more than enough time to make up your mind but you can't sit here and cry and whine that they lied to you when infact they haven't. Your of the opinion they've mislead you ...sorry in order for that to happen you would have to have been tricked into giving your money and NOT be able to get it back. You can get your money back which is far better than the standard promise of "we have sieges we have massive pvp etc etc 2 days after launch OOOPS! its broken sorry try again later!" bs excuses we get from MOST game companies.
The exit is stage left please have some complimentary cheese on your way out the door.
btw there's still multiple battle fronts. You must control 2 Tier 4 areas in order to siege, you may only siege one capital but its still MULTIPLE BATTLEFRONTS you must control.
Originally posted by Avathos To finish, like many of you I pre-ordered the game, but I tell you want I am willing wait another 6 months and play a game the content I was promised since 2006. Rather than plaing a game based on what I consider a rush semi completed product based on a financial decision.
Well sure, that's easy for you to say, you're in the damn beta!
lol seriously though, I see what you're getting at but I have waited waaay too long to play this game. At this point, I'll take whatever I get. (As long as it's acceptable to me)
I don't mind WAR launching with cut content but it has to be good. I'm pretty sure the average player won't be blowing through the game that fast. By the time they want something new the other cities should be arriving.
But graphics still look like crap. I saw some later probably doctored screens that looked great. Good definition and detail on models. But vids tell another story. I don't care how great the gameplay is if instead of feeling immersed I'm imagining how much better they could have made it look it ruins the whole experience.
Are you KIDDING ME? Its crap like this that lets BS like AoC do so well on sales by releasing a game in a shitty state. Who cares if its bugged to hell, alot of box advertisement is missing, the company blows smoke up my ass....IT LOOKS PURDY.
I'm sorry greymann but with that statement alone even other WAR haters will not listne to anything you say. No true gamer wants graphics over gameplay.
I don't mind WAR launching with cut content but it has to be good. I'm pretty sure the average player won't be blowing through the game that fast. By the time they want something new the other cities should be arriving.
But graphics still look like crap. I saw some later probably doctored screens that looked great. Good definition and detail on models. But vids tell another story. I don't care how great the gameplay is if instead of feeling immersed I'm imagining how much better they could have made it look it ruins the whole experience.
Greymann, Lord of the Rings Online is that way ----->
-------------------------------------- A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"
I don't mind WAR launching with cut content but it has to be good. I'm pretty sure the average player won't be blowing through the game that fast. By the time they want something new the other cities should be arriving.
But graphics still look like crap. I saw some later probably doctored screens that looked great. Good definition and detail on models. But vids tell another story. I don't care how great the gameplay is if instead of feeling immersed I'm imagining how much better they could have made it look it ruins the whole experience.
You know what? F*CK graphics! I'm sick and tired of the graphics argument. Everyones take on graphics are subject to their own personal taste. I want a game with good and fun gameplay, UO, AC, EQ even WOW had it now we get CRAP that looks pretty but its STILL CRAP!! You want immersion? great graphics? step the hell outside and have yourself a ball.
Graphics..... If one of my friends said that crap I'd smack em in the forehead.
I don't mind WAR launching with cut content but it has to be good. I'm pretty sure the average player won't be blowing through the game that fast. By the time they want something new the other cities should be arriving.
But graphics still look like crap. I saw some later probably doctored screens that looked great. Good definition and detail on models. But vids tell another story. I don't care how great the gameplay is if instead of feeling immersed I'm imagining how much better they could have made it look it ruins the whole experience.
You know what? F*CK graphics! I'm sick and tired of the graphics argument. Everyones take on graphics are subject to their own personal taste. I want a game with good and fun gameplay, UO, AC, EQ even WOW had it now we get CRAP that looks pretty but its STILL CRAP!! You want immersion? great graphics? step the hell outside and have yourself a ball.
Graphics..... If one of my friends said that crap I'd smack em in the forehead.
Would you even have friends who are numbnuts like that? I wouldnt.
Mythic never 'promised' us content. What they did promise us was that there would be no surprises after launch. As they have disclosed the cuts they have made thus far, in the face of a discerning and disgruntled fanbase, I would say they are doing a great job of living up to the promises that they actually made...
Mythic never 'promised' us content. What they did promise us was that there would be no surprises after launch. As they have disclosed the cuts they have made thus far, in the face of a discerning and disgruntled fanbase, I would say they are doing a great job of living up to the promises that they actually made...
Need to add a "Time will tell" Option. I may be a fanboy as some of you will put it, but I also try to be somewhat realistic. They sure seem to be honest so I voted yes but untill the game is actually live we wont really know.
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Am I the only having trouble with this concept? In order to not be incomplete, cut incomplete content?
At the end of the day Mythic can do what they want, and the consumer has the choice to buy or not, it's that simple. My only issue is with the "truthful" excuse, and then everyone applauding their honestly like mindless robots. I understand where you're coming from, with so many previous disaapointments from other MMO companies, it's a change to get any notice whatsoever...but, we're cutting because couldn't make the classes "GREAT"?!?!? The game is better off with 2 cities at a time than 6?!?!?
C'mon, in my opinion a half-truth is worse thana lie. They fell behind and didn't want to delay again, and they were slacking on art and mechanics of these classes and cities, so they cut them. It's not for the betterment of the game, it isn't ideal, and it will have some effect on the gameplay as a whole. They just decided the pros of launching earlier outweigh the cons of shipping without some critical features the game was designed around... and I'm cool with that. Just don't BS.
Am I the only having trouble with this concept? In order to not be incomplete, cut incomplete content?
At the end of the day Mythic can do what they want, and the consumer has the choice to buy or not, it's that simple. My only issue is with the "truthful" excuse, and then everyone applauding their honestly like mindless robots. I understand where you're coming from, with so many previous disaapointments from other MMO companies, it's a change to get any notice whatsoever...but, we're cutting because couldn't make the classes "GREAT"?!?!? The game is better off with 2 cities at a time than 6?!?!?
C'mon, in my opinion a half-truth is worse thana lie. They fell behind and didn't want to delay again, and they were slacking on art and mechanics of these classes and cities, so they cut them. It's not for the betterment of the game, it isn't ideal, and it will have some effect on the gameplay as a whole. They just decided the pros of launching earlier outweigh the cons of shipping without some critical features the game was designed around... and I'm cool with that. Just don't BS.
So you have insider news on Mythic's real reasons? Please tell us everything!
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Guys! I'm hopelessly lost in a mountain of mole hills! Them damn moles!
Am I the only having trouble with this concept? In order to not be incomplete, cut incomplete content?
At the end of the day Mythic can do what they want, and the consumer has the choice to buy or not, it's that simple. My only issue is with the "truthful" excuse, and then everyone applauding their honestly like mindless robots. I understand where you're coming from, with so many previous disaapointments from other MMO companies, it's a change to get any notice whatsoever...but, we're cutting because couldn't make the classes "GREAT"?!?!? The game is better off with 2 cities at a time than 6?!?!?
C'mon, in my opinion a half-truth is worse thana lie. They fell behind and didn't want to delay again, and they were slacking on art and mechanics of these classes and cities, so they cut them. It's not for the betterment of the game, it isn't ideal, and it will have some effect on the gameplay as a whole. They just decided the pros of launching earlier outweigh the cons of shipping without some critical features the game was designed around... and I'm cool with that. Just don't BS.
So you have insider news on Mythic's real reasons? Please tell us everything!
you joined 14 days ago, and have 260+ posts, all in the WAR forum... You seem like the expert? You don't live in or around Fairfax, VA by chance do you?
Mythic is lucky for your timely sign-up and dedication of support, right around the time of this announcement.
Am I the only having trouble with this concept? In order to not be incomplete, cut incomplete content?
At the end of the day Mythic can do what they want, and the consumer has the choice to buy or not, it's that simple. My only issue is with the "truthful" excuse, and then everyone applauding their honestly like mindless robots. I understand where you're coming from, with so many previous disaapointments from other MMO companies, it's a change to get any notice whatsoever...but, we're cutting because couldn't make the classes "GREAT"?!?!? The game is better off with 2 cities at a time than 6?!?!?
C'mon, in my opinion a half-truth is worse thana lie. They fell behind and didn't want to delay again, and they were slacking on art and mechanics of these classes and cities, so they cut them. It's not for the betterment of the game, it isn't ideal, and it will have some effect on the gameplay as a whole. They just decided the pros of launching earlier outweigh the cons of shipping without some critical features the game was designed around... and I'm cool with that. Just don't BS.
Cutting incomplete features or content to meet a deadline is standard business pratices in the software industry (and not just games) especially if said features or content doesnt' remove that basic requirements for the software to be usable. In this case the removal of 4 classes adn 4 cities does not remove the basic requirements for the game to be considered feature complete. Every feature they've sworn to in the last year is in the game. We have end game still, we have keeps still, we have lots classes to choose from, we have open world rvr, scenarios, pq's, the tok, the dye system..etc etc.
Essentially ever SYSTEM aka FEATURE they promised is there...the only difference is a few variation choices are gone. These variatioins are techincally not necessary in order to deliver a complete project. How ever if they were included at launch in their current state everyone would WHINE up a storm that they're subpar compared to X peice of content or the class SUCKS and ask for constant nerfs & buffs.
My vote's on Warhamfailer. LOL
Or howabout Failurehammer Offline: Age of Refunding
Am I the only having trouble with this concept? In order to not be incomplete, cut incomplete content?
At the end of the day Mythic can do what they want, and the consumer has the choice to buy or not, it's that simple. My only issue is with the "truthful" excuse, and then everyone applauding their honestly like mindless robots. I understand where you're coming from, with so many previous disaapointments from other MMO companies, it's a change to get any notice whatsoever...but, we're cutting because couldn't make the classes "GREAT"?!?!? The game is better off with 2 cities at a time than 6?!?!?
C'mon, in my opinion a half-truth is worse thana lie. They fell behind and didn't want to delay again, and they were slacking on art and mechanics of these classes and cities, so they cut them. It's not for the betterment of the game, it isn't ideal, and it will have some effect on the gameplay as a whole. They just decided the pros of launching earlier outweigh the cons of shipping without some critical features the game was designed around... and I'm cool with that. Just don't BS.
So you have insider news on Mythic's real reasons? Please tell us everything!
you joined 14 days ago, and have 260+ posts, all in the WAR forum... You seem like the expert? You don't live in or around Fairfax, VA by chance do you?
Mythic is lucky for your timely sign-up and dedication of support, right around the time of this announcement.
Yet you still havn't told us your insider information. I know you must be sleeping with one of the Devs to know the REAL reason why they are doing what they are doing.
Also found it funny that in the year you have been on theses boards you have contributed only 12 times to any conversation yet the person you attack who has been here less than a month has contributed 260+ times.
But thats only if you count how long they have been on the board and post counts
Cutting incomplete features or content to meet a deadline is standard business pratices in the software industry (and not just games) especially if said features or content doesnt' remove that basic requirements for the software to be usable. In this case the removal of 4 classes adn 4 cities does not remove the basic requirements for the game to be considered feature complete. Every feature they've sworn to in the last year is in the game. We have end game still, we have keeps still, we have lots classes to choose from, we have open world rvr, scenarios, pq's, the tok, the dye system..etc etc.
Essentially ever SYSTEM aka FEATURE they promised is there...the only difference is a few variation choices are gone. These variatioins are techincally not necessary in order to deliver a complete project. How ever if they were included at launch in their current state everyone would WHINE up a storm that they're subpar compared to X peice of content or the class SUCKS and ask for constant nerfs & buffs.
Well this is the subjective part. My view is the game has been advertised as three fronts in a constant state of war, Greenskins vs. Dwarfs, Empire vs. Chaos, High Elfs vs. Dark Elves. How you can have fronts missing integral classes like TANKS, i don't know. Actually I do know...you are either making a statment that the distiguishment and importance of classes is non-exhistent, which is bigger issue than any type of cut possible...or it is consequential and necessary but you're shipping the game incomplete. You can't have yoru cake and eat it too, as the saying goes.
I don't mind WAR launching with cut content but it has to be good. I'm pretty sure the average player won't be blowing through the game that fast. By the time they want something new the other cities should be arriving.
No one promised you anything. They told you what was planned. There's a difference. When you start developing an MMOG, you have know way of knowing exactly what you can or can't deliver by the release date.
Cutting incomplete features or content to meet a deadline is standard business pratices in the software industry (and not just games) especially if said features or content doesnt' remove that basic requirements for the software to be usable. In this case the removal of 4 classes adn 4 cities does not remove the basic requirements for the game to be considered feature complete. Every feature they've sworn to in the last year is in the game. We have end game still, we have keeps still, we have lots classes to choose from, we have open world rvr, scenarios, pq's, the tok, the dye system..etc etc.
Essentially ever SYSTEM aka FEATURE they promised is there...the only difference is a few variation choices are gone. These variatioins are techincally not necessary in order to deliver a complete project. How ever if they were included at launch in their current state everyone would WHINE up a storm that they're subpar compared to X peice of content or the class SUCKS and ask for constant nerfs & buffs.
Well this is the subjective part. My view is the game has been advertised as three fronts in a constant state of war, Greenskins vs. Dwarfs, Empire vs. Chaos, High Elfs vs. Dark Elves. How you can have fronts missing integral classes like TANKS, i don't know. Actually I do know...you are either making a statment that the distiguishment and importance of classes is non-exhistent, which is bigger issue than any type of cut possible...or it is consequential and necessary but you're shipping the game incomplete. You can't have yoru cake and eat it too, as the saying goes.
Alot of people want to break the Holy Trinity of tank, healer, DPS. "Roar I'm a guy in heavy armor and I'll draw the attention of this massive beast away from 20 of my friends who are burning, shooting, stabbing, crushing, blasting, zapping, and generally inflicting pain on it by...TAUNTING...calling it's momma fat." Yeah, that's so realistic. Not saying WAR will break anything, I'm sure tanks and healers and DPS all have their roles...but they blur the lines alot. Healers have to DPS to actually heal better, that sort of thing. I wouldn't be surprised if they made content less reliant on tanks, especially if they cut 2 of them from the launch, knowing the importance tanks have...in most MMOs.
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A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"
Order of the White Border.
But graphics still look like crap. I saw some later probably doctored screens that looked great. Good definition and detail on models. But vids tell another story. I don't care how great the gameplay is if instead of feeling immersed I'm imagining how much better they could have made it look it ruins the whole experience.
Am I the only having trouble with this concept? In order to not be incomplete, cut incomplete content?
At the end of the day Mythic can do what they want, and the consumer has the choice to buy or not, it's that simple. My only issue is with the "truthful" excuse, and then everyone applauding their honestly like mindless robots. I understand where you're coming from, with so many previous disaapointments from other MMO companies, it's a change to get any notice whatsoever...but, we're cutting because couldn't make the classes "GREAT"?!?!? The game is better off with 2 cities at a time than 6?!?!?
C'mon, in my opinion a half-truth is worse thana lie. They fell behind and didn't want to delay again, and they were slacking on art and mechanics of these classes and cities, so they cut them. It's not for the betterment of the game, it isn't ideal, and it will have some effect on the gameplay as a whole. They just decided the pros of launching earlier outweigh the cons of shipping without some critical features the game was designed around... and I'm cool with that. Just don't BS.
So you have insider news on Mythic's real reasons? Please tell us everything!
you joined 14 days ago, and have 260+ posts, all in the WAR forum... You seem like the expert? You don't live in or around Fairfax, VA by chance do you?
Mythic is lucky for your timely sign-up and dedication of support, right around the time of this announcement.
Yet you still havn't told us your insider information. I know you must be sleeping with one of the Devs to know the REAL reason why they are doing what they are doing.
Also found it funny that in the year you have been on theses boards you have contributed only 12 times to any conversation yet the person you attack who has been here less than a month has contributed 260+ times.
But thats only if you count how long they have been on the board and post counts
or if they have multiple accounts Capn23. Do you think me an idiot? You have this account you're posting from registered for the last 5 years yet have only posted 8 times all in the Warhammer forums as well? And usually as support for your own posts. Good idea, agree with yourself on your posts under different accounts, so that someone actually agrees with you. Genius.
Please stop beating this retarded horse over the head with sticks. This is a realm vs realm base game not a side vs side base game.
Lets ake just little example of the cuts:
The Empire Warrior Priest / Bright Wizard / Witch Hunter (3/4) VS
Chaos : Chosen / Zealot / Marauder / Magus (4/4)
This is a side vs side base example don't be fooled by this no brain idea.
Lets ake just little example of the cuts:
The Empire Warrior Priest / Bright Wizard / Witch Hunter / Iron Breaker / White Lion / Sword Master and etc. (6/6) VS
Chaos : Chosen / Zealot / Marauder / Magus/ Witch Elf / Sorceress / Black Orc (6/6)
This is a realm vs realm if they are in your realm you can fight with them its that simple stop beating the dead horse there is no point. Myhtic is giving you 20 classes to choose from damn let it go. Give them a break they will have more classes in the time to come look at dark age of camelot enough said it has over 41 unique classes. Wait til the game comes out then unleash all your hate til then wait.
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Am I the only having trouble with this concept? In order to not be incomplete, cut incomplete content?
At the end of the day Mythic can do what they want, and the consumer has the choice to buy or not, it's that simple. My only issue is with the "truthful" excuse, and then everyone applauding their honestly like mindless robots. I understand where you're coming from, with so many previous disaapointments from other MMO companies, it's a change to get any notice whatsoever...but, we're cutting because couldn't make the classes "GREAT"?!?!? The game is better off with 2 cities at a time than 6?!?!?
C'mon, in my opinion a half-truth is worse thana lie. They fell behind and didn't want to delay again, and they were slacking on art and mechanics of these classes and cities, so they cut them. It's not for the betterment of the game, it isn't ideal, and it will have some effect on the gameplay as a whole. They just decided the pros of launching earlier outweigh the cons of shipping without some critical features the game was designed around... and I'm cool with that. Just don't BS.
So you have insider news on Mythic's real reasons? Please tell us everything!
you joined 14 days ago, and have 260+ posts, all in the WAR forum... You seem like the expert? You don't live in or around Fairfax, VA by chance do you?
Mythic is lucky for your timely sign-up and dedication of support, right around the time of this announcement.
Yet you still havn't told us your insider information. I know you must be sleeping with one of the Devs to know the REAL reason why they are doing what they are doing.
Also found it funny that in the year you have been on theses boards you have contributed only 12 times to any conversation yet the person you attack who has been here less than a month has contributed 260+ times.
But thats only if you count how long they have been on the board and post counts
or if they have multiple accounts Capn23. Do you think me an idiot? You have this account you're posting from registered for the last 5 years yet have only posted 8 times all in the Warhammer forums as well? And usually as support for your own posts. Good idea, agree with yourself on your posts under different accounts, so that someone actually agrees with you. Genius.
Oh wow you think I'm the Capn aye. Well your wrong. Again I said that for somebody attacking somebody else for not being here that long you sure have a low post count. I'm not the one who came on here and did that. I'm fully aware I don't have that many posts and that I've trolled these forums and others for a long time. But you won't catch me telling somebody who has 50 times more posts than I that I don't know what they are talking about because they havn't been subscribed for that long.
Am I the only having trouble with this concept? In order to not be incomplete, cut incomplete content?
At the end of the day Mythic can do what they want, and the consumer has the choice to buy or not, it's that simple. My only issue is with the "truthful" excuse, and then everyone applauding their honestly like mindless robots. I understand where you're coming from, with so many previous disaapointments from other MMO companies, it's a change to get any notice whatsoever...but, we're cutting because couldn't make the classes "GREAT"?!?!? The game is better off with 2 cities at a time than 6?!?!?
C'mon, in my opinion a half-truth is worse thana lie. They fell behind and didn't want to delay again, and they were slacking on art and mechanics of these classes and cities, so they cut them. It's not for the betterment of the game, it isn't ideal, and it will have some effect on the gameplay as a whole. They just decided the pros of launching earlier outweigh the cons of shipping without some critical features the game was designed around... and I'm cool with that. Just don't BS.
People are acting like they cut a huge amount of content. The cities didn't make up a huge amount of content. The doom and gloomers seem to forget every other MMO cut stuff, and on top of that they kept it hidden from the public.
So, in you opinion, you'd rather come launch day and find out about the missing content, rather than them telling us now? The classes were there bud, they just weren't up to par. Mythic has experienced constant buff/nerf to classes post launch, and they realize that's a HUGE downfall to MMOs, especially with their RvR. They don't want to go through that, because if you buff/nerf one classes, you're going to have to do it to the others, and it's a constant cycle.
The cities weren't there, but Mythic admitted they were behind on the cities. They decided instead of trying to finish all 6 cities and making mistakes, that it'd be better to focus on the quality of two cities.
I know it's a hard concept for a lot of doom and gloomers to understand, but for once a company is putting Quality > Quantity. Like I said earlier, Mythic was upfront, and even blunt about if you don't like their choices about the development of the game, then you can cancel your preorder. That is, after all, why they told us now instead of at launch.
It's not an easy job, they have to make choices that some of us won't like. But in the end, I agree with Mark. The ones that really cancel their preorders are a very small minority to the ones who will suck it up and move on, and the ones that understand why they did what they did.
My issue is not with the cut content...I mean i do have issues with it but it's a fact of life for MMO's before launch and nothing unexpected. My singlular issue was witht he issues given. the initial explanation was that with no amount of extra time, woudl they have been able to make the classes "work", even though two of the classes cut are mirrors to classes that will make launch.
Clearly time is an issue to me, and if they just would have said "We don't want to miss this window so we're releasing without "x content"...fine. But so many fan boys applauding any notice and applauding mythics "honesty", they are blinding buying into the excuse given that if you step back for a second, you might realize is BS. So in short, if you're going to be honest, be honest. They're certainly getting kudos form a majority of fanboys out there...which I feel is undeserved. That is my point. Do I have inside information? No, But I have a relatively centered ide of common sense, and this does not pass the common sense test to any rational person.
Its your opinion that they're being dishonest. I think they're being pretty honest. If you hate it so much then don't buy the game, cancel your pre order if you have one. They've notified you with in more than enough time to make up your mind but you can't sit here and cry and whine that they lied to you when infact they haven't. Your of the opinion they've mislead you ...sorry in order for that to happen you would have to have been tricked into giving your money and NOT be able to get it back. You can get your money back which is far better than the standard promise of "we have sieges we have massive pvp etc etc 2 days after launch OOOPS! its broken sorry try again later!" bs excuses we get from MOST game companies.
The exit is stage left please have some complimentary cheese on your way out the door.
btw there's still multiple battle fronts. You must control 2 Tier 4 areas in order to siege, you may only siege one capital but its still MULTIPLE BATTLEFRONTS you must control.
Well sure, that's easy for you to say, you're in the damn beta!
lol seriously though, I see what you're getting at but I have waited waaay too long to play this game. At this point, I'll take whatever I get. (As long as it's acceptable to me)
But graphics still look like crap. I saw some later probably doctored screens that looked great. Good definition and detail on models. But vids tell another story. I don't care how great the gameplay is if instead of feeling immersed I'm imagining how much better they could have made it look it ruins the whole experience.
Are you KIDDING ME? Its crap like this that lets BS like AoC do so well on sales by releasing a game in a shitty state. Who cares if its bugged to hell, alot of box advertisement is missing, the company blows smoke up my ass....IT LOOKS PURDY.
I'm sorry greymann but with that statement alone even other WAR haters will not listne to anything you say. No true gamer wants graphics over gameplay.
But graphics still look like crap. I saw some later probably doctored screens that looked great. Good definition and detail on models. But vids tell another story. I don't care how great the gameplay is if instead of feeling immersed I'm imagining how much better they could have made it look it ruins the whole experience.
Greymann, Lord of the Rings Online is that way ----->
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A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"
Order of the White Border.
But graphics still look like crap. I saw some later probably doctored screens that looked great. Good definition and detail on models. But vids tell another story. I don't care how great the gameplay is if instead of feeling immersed I'm imagining how much better they could have made it look it ruins the whole experience.
You know what? F*CK graphics! I'm sick and tired of the graphics argument. Everyones take on graphics are subject to their own personal taste. I want a game with good and fun gameplay, UO, AC, EQ even WOW had it now we get CRAP that looks pretty but its STILL CRAP!! You want immersion? great graphics? step the hell outside and have yourself a ball.
Graphics..... If one of my friends said that crap I'd smack em in the forehead.
But graphics still look like crap. I saw some later probably doctored screens that looked great. Good definition and detail on models. But vids tell another story. I don't care how great the gameplay is if instead of feeling immersed I'm imagining how much better they could have made it look it ruins the whole experience.
You know what? F*CK graphics! I'm sick and tired of the graphics argument. Everyones take on graphics are subject to their own personal taste. I want a game with good and fun gameplay, UO, AC, EQ even WOW had it now we get CRAP that looks pretty but its STILL CRAP!! You want immersion? great graphics? step the hell outside and have yourself a ball.
Graphics..... If one of my friends said that crap I'd smack em in the forehead.
Would you even have friends who are numbnuts like that? I wouldnt.
Mythic never 'promised' us content. What they did promise us was that there would be no surprises after launch. As they have disclosed the cuts they have made thus far, in the face of a discerning and disgruntled fanbase, I would say they are doing a great job of living up to the promises that they actually made...
Need to add a "Time will tell" Option. I may be a fanboy as some of you will put it, but I also try to be somewhat realistic. They sure seem to be honest so I voted yes but untill the game is actually live we wont really know.